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Boy who identifies as girl competing in girl's track (2 Viewers)
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Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
All I said was the governing body should do a better job with the rules, and that "impacting your world" was a stretch. Nobody is being shamed.Ah yes. It took a little while, but now the public shaming starts.
Black Box
Footballguy
Maybe she should try and identify as a different age. Maybe one more in line with what her body is telling her
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
By your description, your daughter isn't competing against others... she is competing against herself. This is all well and good, but most people who play sports are looking to win - not just participate.
the moops
Footballguy
I wish the FFA was United Airlines and you were an Asian old man doctor
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree with your ultimate position here, but people who take that position should probably think about being respectful and calling people what they want to be called (ie transgender women, not "trangendered dudes") if they want to have a productive discussion about it. Refusing someone's preferred gender identity makes it seem like your argument is about slighting transgenders rather than dealing with the tougher issues of what's in the best interests of all kids. Just my
Chaka
Footballguy
Actually there is plenty of science that supports gender fluidity. I am a bit surprised that isn't intuitively obvious to you.
Dedfin
Footballguy
I am a poor spokesperson for the left, considering some of my views. I really don't care that much about this subject to be frank. I guess I'd have a problem with a dude in girls sports. If I had to decide now, but I just don't know much about the subject. Did you read the article I posted? How would you handle a hyperandrogenic female that has naturally occurring testosterone at much higher levels than typical females? Would she be disqualified?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
"How dare you accuse me of being whiny about high school girls' athletics when you whine about the President of the United States" is quite an interesting take.
rockaction
Footballguy
You wish an awful lot of hurt upon people for an artist. Seems weird. I wish hurt upon nobody as a troglodyte convservative. Seems weird, no?
I dunno, moops, might wanna check your head.
/Off to to the dentist. Yum!
Maybe she should try and identify as a different age. Maybe one more in line with what her body is telling her
My wife and I were just talking about this...she is smaller than most 10 yos, so its not like anyone would really notice...but, alas, we will keep her in the 11-12s
rockaction
Footballguy
This is where the debate should start, frankly. Instead of identity, we could argue intersexed stuff.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm all for legitimate transgender folks being able to pee where they feel comfortable, but I think having a huge competitive advantage in athletics is taking things too far.
I'm sure there's lots of good discussion to be had on the topic, but that sadly went out the window when the thread was started by FBG's own king snowflake, who loves nothing more than spending his day turning everything he touches into partisan bull####, which he of course wasted absolutely no time doing with this.
Once you cast that much bait in the pond, it's too late to toss in a real fish.
I'm sure there's lots of good discussion to be had on the topic, but that sadly went out the window when the thread was started by FBG's own king snowflake, who loves nothing more than spending his day turning everything he touches into partisan bull####, which he of course wasted absolutely no time doing with this.
Once you cast that much bait in the pond, it's too late to toss in a real fish.
Dedfin
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Thoughts and prayers to you and your son. I know how much the girls track and field team meant to me and my dad in high school.
jonessed
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Completely disassociating organized sports from education (as is the case in 90% of the world outside the US) would go a long way toward solving this and numerous other issues and injustices we complain about around here.
massraider
Footballguy
Snark aside, I agree with the position. I really do.
I just think your drama queen routine is hysterical, and hope you keep it up.
I just think your drama queen routine is hysterical, and hope you keep it up.
Higgs
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
A more recent article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/whispers-on-the-track-in-rio-does-caster-semenya-have-an-unfair-edge/2016/08/17/840cf088-6486-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html
Whispers in Rio: Is a female runner gaining an unfair edge from naturally high testosterone?
RIO DE JANEIRO — The silence couldn’t have been louder. On the track, runners stay in their own lanes. Off it, they’re even more careful.
“I’m not talking about it,” Britain’s Lynsey Sharp said.
“I’m not here to comment on that right now,” Canadian runner Melissa Bishop offered.
The women’s 800-meter race at the Rio de Janeiro Olympics is one of the most anticipated track and field events, fraught with mixed emotions and plenty of whispers. The race will feature Caster Semenya, and many believe the sport’s oldest world record might finally fall, which would prompt only more speculation about whether the playing field in the race was fair in the first place.
The 25-year old South African runner is believed to have an intersex condition called hyperandrogenism, which means her body may be producing testosterone at levels much higher than most women. The International Association of Athletics Federation and the Court of Arbitration for Sport have wrestled with what this means, while many athletes and coaches say publicly and privately that they feel Semenya has a competitive advantage on the track. Whether she does or doesn’t, Semenya came to Rio de Janeiro with the potential to rewrite history every time she steps on the track.
“When you line up against someone like that, it’s going to be a completely different ball game,” said Justine Fedronic, a Stanford-educated runner competing for France at the Olympics. “If you’re just watching the splits they’re running, it’s not the way a woman’s 800 usually unfolds. It’s definitely changed the racing game this year.”
On Wednesday, Semenya and 64 other women arrived at Olympic Stadium for their first-round heats. Semenya looked at ease in her two trips around the track, winning her heat with a time of 1:59.31 and easily advancing to Thursday’s semifinals.
She has said little publicly about her condition, which has fueled plenty of speculation. The controversy dates to 2009, when Semenya won the world championships and was forced to submit to a gender test. Ever since then, her mere entry in a race has made her a lightning rod of sorts, especially in the months leading up to the Olympics.
Before last year, the IAAF could monitor testosterone levels and require athletes to take hormone-suppressing drugs to compete. Semenya benefited from a Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling in July 2015 that suspended the rule and eliminated any ceilings on acceptable testosterone levels in female competitors. The court said that testosterone level alone is not sufficient cause for preventing women from competing against women. The court’s ruling, though, is provisional, giving track’s governing body two years in which to study the science and possibly revisit the matter. (The IAAF has indicated it might challenge the ruling.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/whispers-on-the-track-in-rio-does-caster-semenya-have-an-unfair-edge/2016/08/17/840cf088-6486-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html
Whispers in Rio: Is a female runner gaining an unfair edge from naturally high testosterone?
RIO DE JANEIRO — The silence couldn’t have been louder. On the track, runners stay in their own lanes. Off it, they’re even more careful.
“I’m not talking about it,” Britain’s Lynsey Sharp said.
“I’m not here to comment on that right now,” Canadian runner Melissa Bishop offered.
The women’s 800-meter race at the Rio de Janeiro Olympics is one of the most anticipated track and field events, fraught with mixed emotions and plenty of whispers. The race will feature Caster Semenya, and many believe the sport’s oldest world record might finally fall, which would prompt only more speculation about whether the playing field in the race was fair in the first place.
The 25-year old South African runner is believed to have an intersex condition called hyperandrogenism, which means her body may be producing testosterone at levels much higher than most women. The International Association of Athletics Federation and the Court of Arbitration for Sport have wrestled with what this means, while many athletes and coaches say publicly and privately that they feel Semenya has a competitive advantage on the track. Whether she does or doesn’t, Semenya came to Rio de Janeiro with the potential to rewrite history every time she steps on the track.
“When you line up against someone like that, it’s going to be a completely different ball game,” said Justine Fedronic, a Stanford-educated runner competing for France at the Olympics. “If you’re just watching the splits they’re running, it’s not the way a woman’s 800 usually unfolds. It’s definitely changed the racing game this year.”
On Wednesday, Semenya and 64 other women arrived at Olympic Stadium for their first-round heats. Semenya looked at ease in her two trips around the track, winning her heat with a time of 1:59.31 and easily advancing to Thursday’s semifinals.
She has said little publicly about her condition, which has fueled plenty of speculation. The controversy dates to 2009, when Semenya won the world championships and was forced to submit to a gender test. Ever since then, her mere entry in a race has made her a lightning rod of sorts, especially in the months leading up to the Olympics.
Before last year, the IAAF could monitor testosterone levels and require athletes to take hormone-suppressing drugs to compete. Semenya benefited from a Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling in July 2015 that suspended the rule and eliminated any ceilings on acceptable testosterone levels in female competitors. The court said that testosterone level alone is not sufficient cause for preventing women from competing against women. The court’s ruling, though, is provisional, giving track’s governing body two years in which to study the science and possibly revisit the matter. (The IAAF has indicated it might challenge the ruling.)
Gianni Verscotchie
Footballguy
I identify as a 10 year old and demand to play Little League Baseball!
Higgs
Footballguy
Higgs
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
meh - sure you'll get all the glory, but ... what's the point if ya can't pull some primo tail as a result?
I agree - in terms of the age brackets being the best of an imperfect solution.
But, you could also make the same argument here. I don't know what the "right" rules are in terms of "identifying as a female" - but lets say there were some specific guidelines here such that only people who truly identified as females competed against each other - i.e. this is not a guy who pretends to be a girl only for track (or any other sport), and is a "boy" the rest of the time. Isn't this still an acceptable, albeit not perfect, division of sports competition?
massraider
Footballguy
This is my favorite post.
First, they came for my son's high school's girls track and field team, and I said nothing.....
the moops
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
RBM?I think we know who the real queen is around here.
Higgs, I'd appreciate your opinion on what you think of hyperandrogenic females competing with typical females. Should they be allowed to? A separate group just for them? With males? TIA
jonessed
Footballguy
These are grey areas that the sports world deals with on a case by case basis. It's in no way similar to a man declaring he identifies as a woman and competing as a woman. It would destroy competitive female sports.
Higgs
Footballguy
Typical lefty. Changing the meaning of words and sentences to fit their own minds.This is my favorite post.
First, they came for my son's high school's girls track and field team, and I said nothing.....
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Dedfin
Footballguy
I think it's a more interesting conversation to have though. The boys acting like girls conversation is boring to me.
Higgs
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
From a competitive standpoint, the governing body has dropped the ball with their lack of clarity around the rules. And to be fair, if folks criticize the individual then they run the risk of being considered intolerant.
The common theme here as people mention United? When you're in charge of stuff, you better be thoughtful and get it right.
massraider
Footballguy
It's amazing how often you boys use laughing emoji, and yet clearly have no sense of humor.Typical lefty. Changing the meaning of words and sentences to fit their own minds.
There's no changing of meaning. It was mocking your doom and gloom, aww geez here it comes, I never thought it would happen so soon routine.
Which is laughable.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
You ignored my "(from what I remember)". I'm basing it off of what I know from loosely following HS track in my tiny state of DE. Of course she'll get faster since she's a freshman and will (assuming) learn how to use the blocks. My point being - she conveniently fits in with the girls right now. Put her times up against the boys and she'd get smoked. If she was faster, would she still be racing the girls?
Right now she doesn't have the best time in the state this year - https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Connecticut/
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
If the majority of the people you're arguing with actually agree with your side of the argument but you're still picking a fight with them, you might be an internet troll.
If you start a thread about a topic but then refuse to actually discuss the topic and instead just make a bunch of generic partisan comments, you might be an internet troll.
If you start a thread about a topic but then refuse to actually discuss the topic and instead just make a bunch of generic partisan comments, you might be an internet troll.
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Ned
Footballguy
I wondered this also, but is there enough to support the division? We would also need a division for girls that ID as boys too. Its such a tough thing to comprehend, let alone try to be fair when trying to include transgenders in competition.
Higgs
Footballguy
I understand. It hurts going into the real world where participation trophies don't pay the rent.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
There were rumors he was into field hockey players.....
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Oh jesus, here comes the victim act again. Poor you, so downtrodden and bullied. Must be tough. Cry more, your tears are deliciously ironic.
massraider
Footballguy
Playing athletics in high school under whatever gender you identify isn't a birthright.
There's no way to make everyone happy, but if an athlete is a boy in almost every way except in his/her mind, I don't think she should be allowed to participate in athletics. We're gonna make a bunch of girls unhappy, at several schools, to make one kid happy. That doesn't make sense to me.
How's that for a liberal viewpoint?
There's no way to make everyone happy, but if an athlete is a boy in almost every way except in his/her mind, I don't think she should be allowed to participate in athletics. We're gonna make a bunch of girls unhappy, at several schools, to make one kid happy. That doesn't make sense to me.
How's that for a liberal viewpoint?
Higgs
Footballguy
Never said it was doom and gloom. I'm not even sure I uttered an opinion about it yet. I've just been enjoying all the usual nonsense coming from you guys.
Dedfin
Footballguy
I think it's his high estrogen levels. I hear when you kick a habit it, along with cortisol goes up.
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