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Rhythmdoctor
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11 points... really ain't that bad considering Oliver had a bad game. If this is the worst it gets, I'd take that all day, every week.
fruity pebbles
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Andrew74
Footballguy
Nothing like that last carry. Yea for garbage!
solorca
Footballguy
I blame the o line about as much as I blame Oliver.. But regardless, it was a bad game. In the end, 13.3 ppr points is perfectly acceptable to me, but it doesn't bode well for his role when Mathews returns. I have to think that after the 23 day layoff, Mathews will be back. I own both, but will likely sit them until I can see how things shake out a bit.
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Milkman
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I'll take it! It could have been much worse. It's would have been hilarious if he would have broke that for a TD.
Insein
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Young 8
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fruity pebbles
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cstu
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Fireinside
Footballguy
This game was certainly not Oliver's fault. Broncos D was dominant compared to Chargers O-line and no RB would have gotten much better results.
Still showed some moves when he got the chance to show it and I think he will only get better moving forward.
Still showed some moves when he got the chance to show it and I think he will only get better moving forward.
rjv
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rjv
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gianmarco
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No less than Juwan being deserving of 16.
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Except he you know...actually contributed touch downs. Not a bunch of -1 yd catches.
Dr. Octopus
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Not sure this week had anything to do with him to be honest? As far as "vision" did he really miss any holes, cutback lanes or failed to see an open space? Seemed to me he was swarmed upon almost every time he took a handoff and even on screen plays they were well covered.
. Got him in a couple of redrafts but REALLY wish I'd gotten him in one or the other long-term league.Two reasons why that score is less heinous:
-He actually put real life points on the board
-Nobody started him, and if they did, they took a big risk
treat88
Footballguy
I don't know about this. If he was missing cutback lanes and leaving yards on the field, sure. I didn't see that tho. The Denver D just dominated the LOS. I don't think any RB can put up a great performance when his OL is getting ragdolled like that.
Maybe the tape will tell the coaches something different, but I don't think his final numbers from this game drive his future usage either way.
Shutout
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If you never checked your score and just watched that game last night, you would be shocked that he got more than 5 points. Like a few guys said, given what my eyeball saw, I'll take the 11 and grin like the Cheshire cat.
Yeah, you want another big day but there is something oddly satisfying about seeing one of your guys look so bad and end up with a salvageable day. Kinda makes you think more optimistically.
Yeah, you want another big day but there is something oddly satisfying about seeing one of your guys look so bad and end up with a salvageable day. Kinda makes you think more optimistically.
IgglesFan
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Oliver won't be getting anywhere near 25 touches tonight unless the Chargers are playing with the lead. I would guess he'll be in the 10-12 carry range, and 3-5 receptions range....at best. And half those carrys will come in the 1st & 2nd drives when the Chargers are still trying to execute their game plan of "control the clock & keep Peyton off the field". Problem is, every team has tried it, and Denver has stuffed the run.This lifelong Pats fan knows enough about BB/McD's ways to prefer the RB who is guaranteed 20-25 touches.
prognosis for Oliver tonight: 9 carries for 34 yards, 5 catches for 41 yards, 0 Tds. Flex play in a PPR at best.
not too far off...couple extra receptions to bolster his fantasy production, but even I overestimated his ability to produce yards. Would have been a completely disastrous night except for the last play of the game.two mediocre outings in a row. One blamed on the flow of the game, another blamed on the defense being good...which is exactly what I said of him a couple weeks ago: He'll be a solid play when the opponent stinks, and an average play when the opponent is solid.
The good news is that we can cease all references to this guy being a savior. Pretty clear this will be a RBBC when anyone with a pulse returns.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think most people, including Oliver owners, knew it would be a timeshare when Mathews returns. I'm not sure that's exactly breaking news.
Hendo
Footballguy
This is not a dis to Oliver at all but im actually shocked at how many in here think Mathews would be a lesser player. I got Mathews in a redraft at seasons start, and Oliver in a dyno off a WW shark move and each has strengths and weaknesses, one strength that Mathews has I would say over Oliver is running the football... yeah that guy is brittle but he is a damn good runner with an ideal RB build. I just have a hard time seeing Oliver as a full time bell cow back, my eyes see more in line of a Sproles to me which is still very good, just not a 20 carry guy
IgglesFan
Footballguy
Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factor
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The stat sheet looks bad, but if you watched the game, the first half looked like the Broncos had game planned specifically to stop Oliver. Every time he touched the ball, there were two or three Broncos waiting to tackle him. Barry Sanders wouldn't have had any success with those first half plays either.
Let's not do something really stupid like compare Brandon Oliver to Barry Sanders.
Ghost Rider
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packersfan
Footballguy
I think he does. He absolutely passes the eyeball test. The thing is, Mathews is talented too and there's no way the Chargers are going to phase him out when he returns. I think the good news for Oliver owners is he's shown he can handle the Woodhead role when Mathews is healthy. Woodhead was a Top 20 PPR RB last season. I'll be more than happy to get that out of Oliver if he's in a timeshare with Mathews down the stretch.Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factor
TheFanatic
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I played him in one league. In that league, I played him against Sanders, Demaryus Thomas and Antonio Gates. Doesn't really matter who I started. I'm getting housed. At least you have a chance!
Shutout
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Oliver got more points last night than guys like Charles, Lacy, McCoy, have been getting here and there...And more than Gio or Lynch got last week. Its FF. When did we ever get to the point where a RB has to hit 20 each and every week to avoid being called pedestrian?
I think he does. He absolutely passes the eyeball test. The thing is, Mathews is talented too and there's no way the Chargers are going to phase him out when he returns. I think the good news for Oliver owners is he's shown he can handle the Woodhead role when Mathews is healthy. Woodhead was a Top 20 PPR RB last season. I'll be more than happy to get that out of Oliver if he's in a timeshare with Mathews down the stretch.
Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factor
AuttieFootball
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Not a great game but I'll take 9.8 points on a "down day." (.5 PPR) I don't really blame him, I thought he looked pretty good -- Broncos front 7 was just swarming and the Chargers offensive line got worked. No push, no lateral quickness, no holes. They were all over every screen. Not much you can do in that situation.
I still like his long term value. Not a big Mathews believer/fan... Even if he stays healthy (enormous "if") I think they split carries pretty evenly, which cuts into Olivers value but he's still going to get touches.
I still like his long term value. Not a big Mathews believer/fan... Even if he stays healthy (enormous "if") I think they split carries pretty evenly, which cuts into Olivers value but he's still going to get touches.
TheFanatic
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I think the guy is going to be good. Did he get stuffed by Denver? Sure. But a lot of guys get stuffed against Denver. Calling him a savior is a little much but not nearly as ridiculous as writing him off after a single bad game. A bad game against Denver, in Denver on a short week...Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factor
It's like no one here remembers that SD's O-line, made up of duct tape & 3rd stringers, was facing against Von & Ware. He scraped by just fine considering he had defenders blow past the OL and jump on his face on nearly every handoff.Shutout said:Oliver got more points last night than guys like Charles, Lacy, McCoy, have been getting here and there...And more than Gio or Lynch got last week. Its FF. When did we ever get to the point where a RB has to hit 20 each and every week to avoid being called pedestrian?packersfan said:I think he does. He absolutely passes the eyeball test. The thing is, Mathews is talented too and there's no way the Chargers are going to phase him out when he returns. I think the good news for Oliver owners is he's shown he can handle the Woodhead role when Mathews is healthy. Woodhead was a Top 20 PPR RB last season. I'll be more than happy to get that out of Oliver if he's in a timeshare with Mathews down the stretch.IgglesFan said:Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factorpackersfan said:
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Steve Tasker
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I have no comment on Mathews, but I still think it's silly to compare Bo to Sproles. They might try to use him like Sproles, but he's 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. Per Wikipedia, Bo is listed at 5'8", 208. Sproles is 5'6", 190.Hendo said:
In regard to your comment about him not being a 20-carry guy, though....if he's not a 20-carry guy, it's because the Chargers aren't giving him a chance to be. Smaller backs sometimes can't take the pounding, but that's not Bo at all. He was an absolute workhorse in college, and I have no doubts that he can do it in the pros. If he's not on the field because they believe they have better talent than him, that's one thing, but Bo can absolutely withstand 20 carries on a regular basis. These are Bo's college carries per game:
Freshman: 9 - 17 - 18 - 20 - 7 - 6 - 10 - 6 - 6 - 3 (missed 2 games)
Soph: 35 - 15 - 27 - 23 - 18 - 34 - 21 - 28 - 24 - 18 - 29 - 34
Junior: 30 - 25 - 16 - 24 - 32 - 12 - 9 (missed 5 games)
Senior: 26 - 13 - 23 - 25 - 19 - 43 - 31 - 34 - 24 - 26 - 18 - 28 (missed 1 game)
He wasn't a full-time starter his freshman year, but out of 31 games in his final 3 years, he had 22 games of 20+ carries. 8 games of 30+ carries. And a game where he carried the ball 43 (!) times. Make no mistake, MAC defenses aren't NFL defenses. But dude is a tough runner who can handle 20+ carries if he gets the chance....him getting the chance once Mathews returns, that's the problem.
solorca
Footballguy
In PPR, Oliver would have been #19 in RB scoring last week with his game. Crazy, but true.Shutout said:
Oliver got more points last night than guys like Charles, Lacy, McCoy, have been getting here and there...And more than Gio or Lynch got last week. Its FF. When did we ever get to the point where a RB has to hit 20 each and every week to avoid being called pedestrian?packersfan said:I think he does. He absolutely passes the eyeball test. The thing is, Mathews is talented too and there's no way the Chargers are going to phase him out when he returns. I think the good news for Oliver owners is he's shown he can handle the Woodhead role when Mathews is healthy. Woodhead was a Top 20 PPR RB last season. I'll be more than happy to get that out of Oliver if he's in a timeshare with Mathews down the stretch.IgglesFan said:Go read the thread....I'd say 75% of the pro-Oliver posters thought this guy was going to be a fantasy savior down the stretch, and certainly take the lead role in San Diego. I mean, he has the "It" factorpackersfan said:
GreenBaySnackers
Footballguy
Did any of you haters actually watch the game? San Diego played in shotgun from the first offensive snap they had. Denvers front dominated the line.
packersfan
Footballguy
The Broncos were swarming Oliver on nearly every one of his touches. The few times he had an opening he did well. But Denver was all over him nearly every time he touched the ball.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
He scored more points for me this week than he did last week - no complaints here. Just sad he probably only has 1 more game as the true feature back.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
It was ugly. I bet he barely slept last night, waking up right as yet another Denver defender was about to crush him, over and over and over again. Ugly.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Brown is not going to hurt Oliver's numbers much. Brown is simply awful. Matthews return in a couple of weeks will drop Oliver to a flex level player.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yeah I think what Oliver owners have to hope for coming out of the bye is for him to take on Woodhead's former role. Woodhead was a RB2 in PPR leagues last season. Oliver certainly has shown he can run with power and catch the ball (two things Woodhead also did well) so it's not unrealistic to think he can do similar things and if so he could potentially put up Woodhead-type numbers down the stretch.
