And your point is that the Giants don't give Jacobs the ball "at the stripe"?
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Brandon Jacobs will be a stud this year (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Doesn't the ball have to be at the 1- or 2-yard line for it to technically be considered a goal-line carry, kind of like how 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2 are considered short yardage, but 3rd and 3 isn't?
H.K.
Footballguy
Not after that episode, they didn't. They went to Ward. Twice. People in the thread looking for information about Jacobs will appreciate knowing what is happening with the NYG backfield. I am not going to get caught up in semantics.And your point is that the Giants don't give Jacobs the ball "at the stripe"?
Jacobs had a chance to score from the three. He went backwards and was replaced. However, I am sure some will try to spin this as positive for him.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Jacobs had a chance to score from the one. He went forward and scored. However, I am sure some will try to spin this as a negative for him.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Did that cost you in your game this week? Thankfully it didnt cost me in mineNot after that episode, they didn't. They went to Ward. Twice. People in the thread looking for information about Jacobs will appreciate knowing what is happening with the NYG backfield. I am not going to get caught up in semantics.And your point is that the Giants don't give Jacobs the ball "at the stripe"?
Jacobs had a chance to score from the three. He went backwards and was replaced. However, I am sure some will try to spin this as positive for him.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
The Bengals played pretty good run D for the first time all season, maybe since early last season. They do this only because my fantasy team was dependent on them playing like they normally do.
at Jacobs not being a GL back.
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Footballguy
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Jacobs is fine. The Bengals were stacking the box everytime that Jacobs was in the game.
3C's
Footballguy
He'd just post as another alias
3C's
Footballguy
Definitely true at the beginning of the game. They had 6 on the line and another 2 or 3 a couple of steps back.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Very True.. for some reason, they weren't letting Eli throw the ball deep. Not until the end of the game anyway...WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
I am a Jacobs owner. Yes, of course I know that HK is just trying to push buttons and must have more football knowledge than he's showing here, so I'm not responding to his nonsense. Simply contributing my thoughts on Jacobs.
Anyway, in the three games I've seen Jacobs play this season, I am very pleased with his running. He is truly a beast and is every bit as effective as I thought he'd be when I drafted him.
That being said, until Ward gets hurt, or is ineffective, Jacobs will never be the fantasy stud that he could be. With Ward playing well, Coughlin has no reason to give Jacobs 25 carries. Jacobs could be Michael Turner-good with 25 carries and all the red zone work, but he's not getting that right now.
The 100 yard game was nice, as was his touchdown this week. What his owners need is a game where he gets good yardage and scores. Or scores twice. I don't know about other leagues, but my league doesn't award points for bowling over safeties or taking a breather on the sidelines while your backup dives into the endzone.
His performance is encouraging, but his playing time is frustrating. When you see those great matchups, like Cinncinatti, and come away with a short TD and very little yardage, it makes you really wonder about starting the guy against good defenses.
Anyway, in the three games I've seen Jacobs play this season, I am very pleased with his running. He is truly a beast and is every bit as effective as I thought he'd be when I drafted him.
That being said, until Ward gets hurt, or is ineffective, Jacobs will never be the fantasy stud that he could be. With Ward playing well, Coughlin has no reason to give Jacobs 25 carries. Jacobs could be Michael Turner-good with 25 carries and all the red zone work, but he's not getting that right now.
The 100 yard game was nice, as was his touchdown this week. What his owners need is a game where he gets good yardage and scores. Or scores twice. I don't know about other leagues, but my league doesn't award points for bowling over safeties or taking a breather on the sidelines while your backup dives into the endzone.
His performance is encouraging, but his playing time is frustrating. When you see those great matchups, like Cinncinatti, and come away with a short TD and very little yardage, it makes you really wonder about starting the guy against good defenses.
Boone22
Footballguy
Jacobs wanted an extension last off-season but the Giants didn't offer him anything significant so he's a FA at the end of the year. I think they wanted to see if he can play a full season without injury before breaking the bank on him. However, with how good Ward and Bradshaw have looked, I'm not sure breaking the bank on Jacobs is the wisest choice for the G-Men. Ward is only signed for a 1 year contract as well.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Excellent post, actually. Exactly what I came here to say. All of it. Derrick Ward is absolutely driving me nuts. I wish the guy would go into the ministry or something and quit football. I'm trying not to get too upset about the situation, mainly because I turned Eddie Royal's awesome Week 1 performance into basically a straight-up trade for Jacobs, which I thought was a steal. Now I'm not so sure.I will never wish an injury on anyone, but it may take a fumbling spell from Ward to get Jacobs the carries we need him to get. Failing that, a couple more weeks like this and I'm going to try to move him to an owner who may not be privy to the time share situation he's currently in. :(
Biabreakable
Footballguy
:raiseseyebrow:Even if someone is living under a rock and doesen't know about the RBBC they will still look at the bottom line, Jacobs points, yards, TD, catches ect.
I will never wish an injury on anyone, but it may take a fumbling spell from Ward to get Jacobs the carries we need him to get. Failing that, a couple more weeks like this and I'm going to try to move him to an owner who may not be privy to the time share situation he's currently in.
And he is not going to stack up to a whole lot so good luck with moving him. I think you better move now rather than later though if your going to do it.
Bigger problem I see is that Jacobs while a bruiser and great for attrition and morale, may not be the best RB on the roster. That might lead to more of a time share than your going to like as the season wears on.
So I would stop being greedy and start being honest with yourself. The Bengals are not a good defense and Jacobs did not get the job done.
Clifton
Footballguy
With his inability to stack up lots of yards or put up huge games I decided to dish him. Ward and Bradshaw are both in the mix and I could also see Jacobs going down for some reason. I packaged him with Calvin Johnson for Wayne and McNabb. We'll see how it shakes out but he just doesn't seem like he's in a situation to have huge games. 10-12 point a week is okay when you get the occasional 20-30 point game. With him I don't see it happening.
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Footballguy
Code:
2-1-CIN1 (10:44) B.Jacobs left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-3-SEA3 (3:51) B.Jacobs right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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Footballguy
Code:
2-1-CIN1 (10:44) B.Jacobs left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-3-SEA3 (3:51) B.Jacobs right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-1-SEA1 (7:31) B.Jacobs right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.Big Score
Footballguy
Oh well, sometimes you're right & sometimes you're wrong.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Code:1-3-SEA3 (3:51) B.Jacobs right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Code:1-1-SEA1 (7:31) B.Jacobs right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Code:2-1-CIN1 (10:44) B.Jacobs left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.Code:1-3-SEA3 (3:51) B.Jacobs right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
waiting to hear who is the GL Back if it isn't Jacobs
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blackjack23
Footballguy
good callNo. Just like last year you'll see opportunity after opportunity taken away from him. Somehow, someway. That's what happened last year, and I don't expect it to change this year.If you don't remember Jacobs of last year maybe you'll remember Fast Willie Parker. You'll sit there (just like tonight) and say to yourself "yes, there on the goalline, here comes Jacobs" and then someone else will score, someone else will get the carry.
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Footballguy
Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.
H.K.
Footballguy
One game does not a season make. Also, from this week:Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.
Not a whole lot of people arguing whether it's still an RBBC or discussing Jacobs receiving ability, either.
blueboys21
Footballguy
Yawn.. the fishing is getting crazy now. Trying to back up the goal-line argument when the main starters were pulled is just making you look more foolish each week. if it's a close game, Bradshaw doesn't see the field. Ward is the back-up and is to give Jacobs a breather.One game does not a season make. Also, from this week:Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.
Not a whole lot of people arguing whether it's still an RBBC or discussing Jacobs receiving ability, either.
H.K.
Footballguy
Yawn.. the fishing is getting crazy now. Trying to back up the goal-line argument when the main starters were pulled is just making you look more foolish each week. if it's a close game, Bradshaw doesn't see the field. Ward is the back-up and is to give Jacobs a breather.One game does not a season make. Also, from this week:Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.
Not a whole lot of people arguing whether it's still an RBBC or discussing Jacobs receiving ability, either.
It's a rotation. The Giants staff said in pre-season that they would play the hot hand each week, and that is what they have done. Jacobs benefitted from playing against a lousy opponent this week, but reading anything other than that out of this game is inaccurate.
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Footballguy
Your schtick is strong Grasshopper.So what do you say we take a look at a previous game & the Goal Line carry?One game does not a season make.Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.
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2-1-CIN1 (10:44) B.Jacobs left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
corpcow
Footballguy
I was at the game, and I barely remember Bradshaw touching the ball before Carr was in.Yawn.. the fishing is getting crazy now. Trying to back up the goal-line argument when the main starters were pulled is just making you look more foolish each week. if it's a close game, Bradshaw doesn't see the field. Ward is the back-up and is to give Jacobs a breather.One game does not a season make. Also, from this week:Yes, but H.K., can you please tell us just one more time how Jacobs is not the Goal Line Back.Not a whole lot of people arguing whether it's still an RBBC or discussing Jacobs receiving ability, either.
starting over
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Oh he's a great spinmiester, you've got to give him a tip of the hat on that.For more chuckles, check out H.K.'s schtick in the Greg Jennings thread....
Of course what H.K. fails to mention, is that Jennings lead his team in receiving yesterday, going 4 - 87 - 1
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Forget about HK being incredibly wrong at every turn; his comments are not worthy. Let's focus on what is important.
In every one of my threads I have been very supportive of Jacobs and have stated that if healthy he will be a very productive fantasy starter. I also pointed out that while he does take hits, his injuries last year were fluke types of injuries and not sustained from the hard hits he takes (as most of us assumed would be his demise). his injuries were a hammy when he tried to jump a guy and his knee when he was planted and a linemen got pushed back into the knee (fluke). This year, he has run with excellent vision and power behind a very good run blocking line. Jacobs is a fantastic blocker of picking up the blitz (he did a great job this week). The weakest part of Jacobs game is receiving, but he did catch the only ball thrown his way and then carried the defender for a few yards. I have been on record stating that he is not terrible at catching, but he has not really done much to prove me correct on this, but I think he can be at least OK in this role.
As an all around player, he is a weapon for the Giants and is the best RB on their team. That being said, the Giants would be smart to keep him fresh and use the talents of Bradshaw and Ward to keep all fresh as Ward and Bradshaw are good also.
Bradshaw will get more work against teams where the spread offense would be more appropriate.
In every one of my threads I have been very supportive of Jacobs and have stated that if healthy he will be a very productive fantasy starter. I also pointed out that while he does take hits, his injuries last year were fluke types of injuries and not sustained from the hard hits he takes (as most of us assumed would be his demise). his injuries were a hammy when he tried to jump a guy and his knee when he was planted and a linemen got pushed back into the knee (fluke). This year, he has run with excellent vision and power behind a very good run blocking line. Jacobs is a fantastic blocker of picking up the blitz (he did a great job this week). The weakest part of Jacobs game is receiving, but he did catch the only ball thrown his way and then carried the defender for a few yards. I have been on record stating that he is not terrible at catching, but he has not really done much to prove me correct on this, but I think he can be at least OK in this role.
As an all around player, he is a weapon for the Giants and is the best RB on their team. That being said, the Giants would be smart to keep him fresh and use the talents of Bradshaw and Ward to keep all fresh as Ward and Bradshaw are good also.
Bradshaw will get more work against teams where the spread offense would be more appropriate.
H.K.
Footballguy
H.K.
Footballguy
Ward gets all the receptions - again.
Ward goes over 100 yards on only 10 carries and outperforms Jacobs - again.
The only two Giants TD drives were when Ward started the series. Incredible how wide open the offense becomes when he or Bradshaw are in the game. Jacobs makes the entire team lethargic and plodding when he is on the field.
All Jacobs did last night was have a brutal facemask penalty called on him to negate a nice play.
When will the switch be made? It's time this stupid little experiment ends and the Giants put a multi-dimensional NFL caliber RB in their backfield.
Ward goes over 100 yards on only 10 carries and outperforms Jacobs - again.
The only two Giants TD drives were when Ward started the series. Incredible how wide open the offense becomes when he or Bradshaw are in the game. Jacobs makes the entire team lethargic and plodding when he is on the field.
All Jacobs did last night was have a brutal facemask penalty called on him to negate a nice play.
When will the switch be made? It's time this stupid little experiment ends and the Giants put a multi-dimensional NFL caliber RB in their backfield.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Ask MIke Adams if that was all he did.
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poopdawg
Footballguy
For such a "complete and abject failure", he has now moved up to the 17th ranked RB in my league putting him in the middle echelon. And thats for PPR. I would assume he would be even higher in non-PPR. I must say that the only reason I watched that game last night was to see Jacobs run people over. Guy is a beast and an exciting player to watch.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Im sure Ill jinx him now, but the last "bad" game he had was week 1 last yr when he got hurt. Guy is almost a lock for double digit pts every week.
Jacobs is on pace for 1400 yards rushing and 12-13 touchdowns. If that is an "experiment", there are a lot of teams that would like to do it.I do agree that if the Giants get behind, Jacobs becomes much less of a factor. But with the Giant's defense, I don't see that happening too often.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am not a big fan of Jacobs, but he is currently 6th in the NFL in rushing, 4th in the NFL in yards per carry, and tied for 7th in rushing touchdowns. That is just awful, isn't it?
H.K.
Footballguy
That's an endorsement on how good the OL has been playing. Both Ward and Bradshaw have better YPC's', either one of them would be leading the league if they were getting more work....and they can catch. Writing is on the wall here, Jacobs' contract was not renewed for a reason.I am not a big fan of Jacobs, but he is currently 6th in the NFL in rushing, 4th in the NFL in yards per carry, and tied for 7th in rushing touchdowns. That is just awful, isn't it?
Big Score
Footballguy
2-1-CIN1 (10:44) B.Jacobs left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-3-SEA3 (3:51) B.Jacobs right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-1-SEA1 (7:31) B.Jacobs right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
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1-7-CLE7 (12:16) B.Jacobs left tackle for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.So H.K., once again, can you please tell us all how Jacobs is NOT the GL RB?
We're all waiting on pins & needles to see how you manage to spin it.
