avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Anyone think Walter has a dream in the next episode that has nothing to do with the storyline?
That would be neat.
That would be neat.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Hi, tim. For the record, most of us are able to distinguish between a character and the actress who portrays that character. When somebody says "I hate Skyler," what they generally mean is that they would hate the character Skyler if she was an actual person, not that they hate actress portraying her.
I haven't see anybody in this thread say anything critical of Anna Gunn or any of the other actors in this program.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
The Nazis are basically Gus and Walt in the production cycle of the meth. How much we're they making combined per cook? I think $69mm isn't as big of a number when you look at their potential income.
Premier
Footballguy
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Besides her weight gain?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
My thoughts are that Walt took Holly to set that conversation up with Skylar that he knew would be recorded to hopefully exonerate her while he runs. Keeping her as a witness instead of being implicated. Taking Holly was his one play to save his family. Now he's on his way to his new life.
Jesse is now the meth slave and I think it all points to Walt coming back to save Jesse....who then kills Walt. Ricin is for Lydia.
Jesse is now the meth slave and I think it all points to Walt coming back to save Jesse....who then kills Walt. Ricin is for Lydia.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah, Skyler might be off the hook but the feds aren't shy about seizing assets purchased with drug money. The family probably loses the house and probably the carwash too.
We don't know where Walt's barrel of money is now, though, right? He couldn't take it with him when he went with Saul's guy. Maybe he left it somewhere that his family can get to it?
whoknew
Footballguy
He took the barrel. He packed it in the back seat of the van that picked him up.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Really? I thought he just had a little suitcase and bag. Feel like I would have noticed that.
ETA: Internet confirms what you just said. Guess I was still reeling from the earlier scenes and missed it. Carry on.
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Insoxicated
Spoiler alert.... I think I see how this plays out:
Walt is gone up to NH.
He somehow hears of the blue resurfacing
Figures that Jessie is the only other guy who can make it, and the Arians bailed on vow to kill Jesse.
Arms up, and heads down to kill them all and get his money back. Stops in to grab the ricin for Jesse as a painful/significant way to kill him.
Gets there, lights the aryans up, finds Jesse chained and broken. Has a change of heart. Is somehow killed by laggard (maybe Todd shows up late?) and Jesse avenges his death, then heads off into the sunset with the cash for walt's family
Not sure how the end cleans up but seems like a logical explanation for some of the "flash forward" stuff....
He somehow hears of the blue resurfacing
Figures that Jessie is the only other guy who can make it, and the Arians bailed on vow to kill Jesse.
Arms up, and heads down to kill them all and get his money back. Stops in to grab the ricin for Jesse as a painful/significant way to kill him.
Gets there, lights the aryans up, finds Jesse chained and broken. Has a change of heart. Is somehow killed by laggard (maybe Todd shows up late?) and Jesse avenges his death, then heads off into the sunset with the cash for walt's family
Not sure how the end cleans up but seems like a logical explanation for some of the "flash forward" stuff....
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jamny
Footballguy
yeah, I agree. He changed his mind when he was changing Holly and she started saying Mom, momma.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
No, but she went into our daughters room after the episode to give her a hug. Weirdo.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He had it with him on the side of the road.
Also, Walt took holly because at that point she was the only family member not against him. She didn't know what he had done. Fresh start. In the end, Walt knew he was wrong and is now trying to make up for what he's done. I think he saves Jesse.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Also agree that learning his blue meth is out there plays a role in drawing him out.
So how much time passes between last night and his 52nd bday?
So how much time passes between last night and his 52nd bday?
Abraham
Footballguy
Todd keeps cooking for Lydia. Jack doesn't care about the purity of the product. He only agreed to let Todd take Jesse because Todd said they had history and he could get some use out of him.
Also, we've been talking about this episode for four pages and not one reference has been made to hanks possibly best line of the series "you're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realiZe he made up his mind ten minutes ago."
Also, we've been talking about this episode for four pages and not one reference has been made to hanks possibly best line of the series "you're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realiZe he made up his mind ten minutes ago."
RUSF18
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I am interested to see what kind of message the writers leave us with. Will Walt get redemption of some sort, or will everything end in an all-out tragedy?
It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.
I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.
It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.
I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Personally, I doubt the Nazis or Lydia die. I also strongly suspect that Walt lives. Part of the tragedy is that Walt will get to live to see his "empire" crushed and replaced by a bunch of Nazis and a neurotic woman.
Edit: The fact that the episode is titled "Ozymandias" tells us as much.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Exactly. And Walt made that 80M in what, a couple months? With the Lydia connection, their heads are spinning with greed.
Abraham
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I don't think so. I think Walt at this point is past the point where he cares about blue meth. He only has one goal in mind and that's to protect his family, so I'd have to think they are in danger, Marie died, or something of the sort.
That being said, he was much too calm and collect in the diner and even when going to his house to pick up the ricin for his family to be in immediate danger. Walt is a fast-acting dude when he's stressed. He looked resigned, almost Mike-like in the way he was going through the motions.
Should be interesting to see what happens.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
At the risk of incurring the "do you even watch the show" comments....
Is there a reason why so many speculate that Walt is going to kill Lydia? I can't think of why Walt would be mad at her. I know at one point he thought about ricining her, but now? I don't see why he'd give her even a second's worth of thought.
The other issue I have is when people say the gun is for the Nazi's, as if Walt is going to mow down a bunch of trained killers. He doesn't even know how to use the machine gun he bought. Now maybe he finds a way, because ya know, he's Heisenberg, but the idea that someone who has never used a machine gun is going to take down 8 militia type folks is ridiculous.
OTOH, I don't really know why else he'd have bought the machine gun if not for them, since he could just buy a pistol if he only wants to shoot one person. But my guess is there's something else out there.
Is there a reason why so many speculate that Walt is going to kill Lydia? I can't think of why Walt would be mad at her. I know at one point he thought about ricining her, but now? I don't see why he'd give her even a second's worth of thought.
The other issue I have is when people say the gun is for the Nazi's, as if Walt is going to mow down a bunch of trained killers. He doesn't even know how to use the machine gun he bought. Now maybe he finds a way, because ya know, he's Heisenberg, but the idea that someone who has never used a machine gun is going to take down 8 militia type folks is ridiculous.
OTOH, I don't really know why else he'd have bought the machine gun if not for them, since he could just buy a pistol if he only wants to shoot one person. But my guess is there's something else out there.
Timmay
Footballguy
This show has had me thinking about it this entire morning so far. I can't get past what all happened last night. I'm not going to get a lot done at work today.
The most intense hour of television I have ever seen.
I am with what a few other people have said so far with the remaining 2 episodes. Walt comes back after hearing the blue stuff resurfacing, knowing that Jesse was the only other person able to produce it, comes back to "finish" the job with the assault rifle in his trunk and the ricin from his NM house. In the meantime, I think he takes care of the Nazi's.
Not sure who will survive out of Walt and Jesse. I want to think that Jesse is going to survive while Walt dies.
The most intense hour of television I have ever seen.
I am with what a few other people have said so far with the remaining 2 episodes. Walt comes back after hearing the blue stuff resurfacing, knowing that Jesse was the only other person able to produce it, comes back to "finish" the job with the assault rifle in his trunk and the ricin from his NM house. In the meantime, I think he takes care of the Nazi's.
Not sure who will survive out of Walt and Jesse. I want to think that Jesse is going to survive while Walt dies.
timschochet
Footballguy
Ivan makes a great point about the title of the show- "Ozymandias".
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think it's just that people can't stand the idea of a character having here "story" unresolved. You're right that there's no particular reason why Walt should want her dead. My prediction for Lydia is that she just goes on after Walt's story concludes. Walt is a side character in her story, just like Gus is a side character in Walt's.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't get this analysis. The historical Ramses II didn't live to see his Empire crumble. His empire crumbled after his death (albeit pretty quickly thereafter). And Shelley's sonnet certainly doesn't suggest that Walt must live to see his empire crumbled. But even if I believe that Walt must see his empire crumble, he's already seen that. He's already lost his family. His decision to give up Holly makes that explicit.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Much better IMO. But this show is still great.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
RUSF18
Footballguy
I think the show, by and large, deals in "we'll get you to where you expect, but completely #### up your head in how we get there".
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I agree with you but I still don't think we have a clear idea what the machine gun is for. It might just be that Walt is going to use the gun for protection rather than some sort of killing spree.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Or how new it is.The fact that some are already saying this show has eclipsed the Wire speaks to how great it is.Point taken. I left off thesmiley.
Both are awesome.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Why would Walt go in machine-gunning a meth lab of Nazis when he can just give up Lydia (who I'm sure would give up the Nazis) and pull the whole thing down?
That he very clearly appeared to not be sought after when he returned to ABQ keeps sticking with me.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I hope we get one more heavy dose of Saul before all this is over. Too good of a character to not be on the screen in some capacity.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
My opinion? Because the best case scenario there would end up with Jesse in jail for the rest of his life. I still think that the ending that makes the most sense for the show is for Walt to somehow allow Jesse to have the type of life (with Andrea and Brock) that Walt's hubris destroyed for himself. I'm not entirely sure that's the ending we'll get, because there's a fair argument that Jesse (by killing Gayle) has gone too far to deserve that ending.
I don't think we've received much information to let us know whether Walter White is still wanted in ABQ. The fact that Walt isn't exactly hiding simply means (to me) that he's already on a suicide mission.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
That's the reason for Walt to get to Lydia first--she knows Skyler isn't merely a terrorized spouse.
Abraham
Footballguy
I think the "Walt saving jesse" ship has sailed. We will see what happens but last night he wanted Jesse hurt BADLY. He thinks Jesse is a coward and a rat and now he thinks Jesse is responsible for Hank's death as well. He quickly gave him up to the Nazi's and told him about Jane to hurt him even though he knew the Nazi's were going to hurt him anyway. Maybe he goes to New Hampshire and gets some perspective since all of this was his fault, but I doubt it.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Why would walt want to save Jessie?
How could walt possibly find out that they are holding him to cook?
I would imagine after last night its going to be pretty difficult to get in touch with him so its going to be interesting to see how it all comes together.
How could walt possibly find out that they are holding him to cook?
I would imagine after last night its going to be pretty difficult to get in touch with him so its going to be interesting to see how it all comes together.
timschochet
Footballguy
Suppose- we never see Jessie again in the last 2 episodes. What if being a slave cook is the end of his storyline?
Sarnoff
Footballguy
I think he originally thought he could use her as leverage, but had a change of heart.
Timmay
Footballguy
Walt isn't going to want to save Jesse, he is going to want to kill him, imo.
Walt is going to find out Jesse is still alive when the blue stuff comes back out on the market, and he is going to know the Nazi's didn't hold up their end of the deal of killing Jesse.
