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timschochet said:
I know some of you, for whatever reason, really dislike Skyler. But Anna Gunn's performance in this episode might just be the best acting I have ever seen on television, period. Yes, better even than Bryan Cranston. Consider that she has 3 crucial scenes:

1. When her sister confronts her and tells her that the jig is up; Walter has been arrested.

2. When she confronts Walter at her home, and decides to pull out the knife, only to see her baby taken away.

3. On the phone with Walter, showing a gamut of emotions as she realizes what he is up to.

Any ONE of these scenes would be more than enough for any actor to achieve brilliance but Gunn does it in all 3, one after the other. Truly extraordinary.
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Hi, tim. For the record, most of us are able to distinguish between a character and the actress who portrays that character. When somebody says "I hate Skyler," what they generally mean is that they would hate the character Skyler if she was an actual person, not that they hate actress portraying her.

I haven't see anybody in this thread say anything critical of Anna Gunn or any of the other actors in this program.

 
The Nazis are basically Gus and Walt in the production cycle of the meth. How much we're they making combined per cook? I think $69mm isn't as big of a number when you look at their potential income.

 
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
timschochet said:
I know some of you, for whatever reason, really dislike Skyler. But Anna Gunn's performance in this episode might just be the best acting I have ever seen on television, period. Yes, better even than Bryan Cranston. Consider that she has 3 crucial scenes:

1. When her sister confronts her and tells her that the jig is up; Walter has been arrested.

2. When she confronts Walter at her home, and decides to pull out the knife, only to see her baby taken away.

3. On the phone with Walter, showing a gamut of emotions as she realizes what he is up to.

Any ONE of these scenes would be more than enough for any actor to achieve brilliance but Gunn does it in all 3, one after the other. Truly extraordinary.
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Hi, tim. For the record, most of us are able to distinguish between a character and the actress who portrays that character. When somebody says "I hate Skyler," what they generally mean is that they would hate the character Skyler if she was an actual person, not that they hate actress portraying her.

I haven't see anybody in this thread say anything critical of Anna Gunn or any of the other actors in this program.
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Besides her weight gain?
 
My thoughts are that Walt took Holly to set that conversation up with Skylar that he knew would be recorded to hopefully exonerate her while he runs. Keeping her as a witness instead of being implicated. Taking Holly was his one play to save his family. Now he's on his way to his new life.

Jesse is now the meth slave and I think it all points to Walt coming back to save Jesse....who then kills Walt. Ricin is for Lydia.

 
Premier said:
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.
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Yeah, Skyler might be off the hook but the feds aren't shy about seizing assets purchased with drug money. The family probably loses the house and probably the carwash too.

We don't know where Walt's barrel of money is now, though, right? He couldn't take it with him when he went with Saul's guy. Maybe he left it somewhere that his family can get to it?

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Premier said:
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.
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Yeah, Skyler might be off the hook but the feds aren't shy about seizing assets purchased with drug money. The family probably loses the house and probably the carwash too.

We don't know where Walt's barrel of money is now, though, right? He couldn't take it with him when he went with Saul's guy. Maybe he left it somewhere that his family can get to it?
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He took the barrel. He packed it in the back seat of the van that picked him up.

 
whoknew said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Premier said:
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.
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Yeah, Skyler might be off the hook but the feds aren't shy about seizing assets purchased with drug money. The family probably loses the house and probably the carwash too.

We don't know where Walt's barrel of money is now, though, right? He couldn't take it with him when he went with Saul's guy. Maybe he left it somewhere that his family can get to it?
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He took the barrel. He packed it in the back seat of the van that picked him up.
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Really? I thought he just had a little suitcase and bag. Feel like I would have noticed that.

ETA: Internet confirms what you just said. Guess I was still reeling from the earlier scenes and missed it. Carry on.

 
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Taking Holly was definitely spur of the moment as he got caught up in the whole fight. Theres no way he planned that phone call while he was taking Holly. He wanted his family to come with him.

 
Spoiler alert.... I think I see how this plays out:

Walt is gone up to NH.

He somehow hears of the blue resurfacing

Figures that Jessie is the only other guy who can make it, and the Arians bailed on vow to kill Jesse.

Arms up, and heads down to kill them all and get his money back. Stops in to grab the ricin for Jesse as a painful/significant way to kill him.

Gets there, lights the aryans up, finds Jesse chained and broken. Has a change of heart. Is somehow killed by laggard (maybe Todd shows up late?) and Jesse avenges his death, then heads off into the sunset with the cash for walt's family

Not sure how the end cleans up but seems like a logical explanation for some of the "flash forward" stuff....
 
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shadyridr said:
Taking Holly was definitely spur of the moment as he got caught up in the whole fight. Theres no way he planned that phone call while he was taking Holly. He wanted his family to come with him.
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yeah, I agree. He changed his mind when he was changing Holly and she started saying Mom, momma.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Premier said:
Seems like the opening scene to the season is coming into the picture a little more clearly now. The house was likely condemned due to Walt admitting everything on the phone, and they probably put an APB out on Walter White aka Heisenberg with a dangerous person warning. That's how the house becomes a skate park.
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Yeah, Skyler might be off the hook but the feds aren't shy about seizing assets purchased with drug money. The family probably loses the house and probably the carwash too.We don't know where Walt's barrel of money is now, though, right? He couldn't take it with him when he went with Saul's guy. Maybe he left it somewhere that his family can get to it?
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He had it with him on the side of the road.

Also, Walt took holly because at that point she was the only family member not against him. She didn't know what he had done. Fresh start. In the end, Walt knew he was wrong and is now trying to make up for what he's done. I think he saves Jesse.

 
Todd keeps cooking for Lydia. Jack doesn't care about the purity of the product. He only agreed to let Todd take Jesse because Todd said they had history and he could get some use out of him.

Also, we've been talking about this episode for four pages and not one reference has been made to hanks possibly best line of the series "you're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realiZe he made up his mind ten minutes ago."

 
I am interested to see what kind of message the writers leave us with. Will Walt get redemption of some sort, or will everything end in an all-out tragedy?

It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.

I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.

 
shader said:
I am interested to see what kind of message the writers leave us with. Will Walt get redemption of some sort, or will everything end in an all-out tragedy?

It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.

I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.
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Personally, I doubt the Nazis or Lydia die. I also strongly suspect that Walt lives. Part of the tragedy is that Walt will get to live to see his "empire" crushed and replaced by a bunch of Nazis and a neurotic woman.

Edit: The fact that the episode is titled "Ozymandias" tells us as much.

 
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avoiding injuries said:
The Nazis are basically Gus and Walt in the production cycle of the meth. How much we're they making combined per cook? I think $69mm isn't as big of a number when you look at their potential income.
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Exactly. And Walt made that 80M in what, a couple months? With the Lydia connection, their heads are spinning with greed.

 
shader said:
I am interested to see what kind of message the writers leave us with. Will Walt get redemption of some sort, or will everything end in an all-out tragedy?

It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.

I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.
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I think the family survives. Everyone else is dead.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Also agree that learning his blue meth is out there plays a role in drawing him out.

So how much time passes between last night and his 52nd bday?
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I don't think so. I think Walt at this point is past the point where he cares about blue meth. He only has one goal in mind and that's to protect his family, so I'd have to think they are in danger, Marie died, or something of the sort.

That being said, he was much too calm and collect in the diner and even when going to his house to pick up the ricin for his family to be in immediate danger. Walt is a fast-acting dude when he's stressed. He looked resigned, almost Mike-like in the way he was going through the motions.

Should be interesting to see what happens.

 
Abraham said:
Todd keeps cooking for Lydia. Jack doesn't care about the purity of the product. He only agreed to let Todd take Jesse because Todd said they had history and he could get some use out of him.

Also, we've been talking about this episode for four pages and not one reference has been made to hanks possibly best line of the series "you're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realiZe he made up his mind ten minutes ago."
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Todd said he could get the info out if him, not that he could make use of him.

 
At the risk of incurring the "do you even watch the show" comments....

Is there a reason why so many speculate that Walt is going to kill Lydia? I can't think of why Walt would be mad at her. I know at one point he thought about ricining her, but now? I don't see why he'd give her even a second's worth of thought.

The other issue I have is when people say the gun is for the Nazi's, as if Walt is going to mow down a bunch of trained killers. He doesn't even know how to use the machine gun he bought. Now maybe he finds a way, because ya know, he's Heisenberg, but the idea that someone who has never used a machine gun is going to take down 8 militia type folks is ridiculous.

OTOH, I don't really know why else he'd have bought the machine gun if not for them, since he could just buy a pistol if he only wants to shoot one person. But my guess is there's something else out there.

 
This show has had me thinking about it this entire morning so far. I can't get past what all happened last night. I'm not going to get a lot done at work today.

The most intense hour of television I have ever seen.

I am with what a few other people have said so far with the remaining 2 episodes. Walt comes back after hearing the blue stuff resurfacing, knowing that Jesse was the only other person able to produce it, comes back to "finish" the job with the assault rifle in his trunk and the ricin from his NM house. In the meantime, I think he takes care of the Nazi's.

Not sure who will survive out of Walt and Jesse. I want to think that Jesse is going to survive while Walt dies.

 
Chase Stuart said:
At the risk of incurring the "do you even watch the show" comments....

Is there a reason why so many speculate that Walt is going to kill Lydia?
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I think it's just that people can't stand the idea of a character having here "story" unresolved. You're right that there's no particular reason why Walt should want her dead. My prediction for Lydia is that she just goes on after Walt's story concludes. Walt is a side character in her story, just like Gus is a side character in Walt's.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
shader said:
I am interested to see what kind of message the writers leave us with. Will Walt get redemption of some sort, or will everything end in an all-out tragedy?

It seems to me they are setting us up for a tragedy of epic proportions. Tuco, the Mexican gang-lords that died around the pool, Gus Fring, Mike....anyone and everyone connected to the drug industry has died in this show.

I think in the end, the Nazis' die, Lydia dies, and Jesse and Walt die. The only thing left is whether Marie, Skylar and either of the kids die, and at this point that seems like TV that is almost too gut-wrenching to bear.
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Personally, I doubt the Nazis or Lydia die. I also strongly suspect that Walt lives. Part of the tragedy is that Walt will get to live to see his "empire" crushed and replaced by a bunch of Nazis and a neurotic woman.

Edit: The fact that the episode is titled "Ozymandias" tells us as much.
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I don't get this analysis. The historical Ramses II didn't live to see his Empire crumble. His empire crumbled after his death (albeit pretty quickly thereafter). And Shelley's sonnet certainly doesn't suggest that Walt must live to see his empire crumbled. But even if I believe that Walt must see his empire crumble, he's already seen that. He's already lost his family. His decision to give up Holly makes that explicit.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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I think the show, by and large, deals in "we'll get you to where you expect, but completely #### up your head in how we get there".

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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I agree with you but I still don't think we have a clear idea what the machine gun is for. It might just be that Walt is going to use the gun for protection rather than some sort of killing spree.

 
The Ref said:
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The Ref said:
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prosopis said:
Homer J Simpson said:
Oh, and yeah there's no more "except maybe for The Wire." This is hands down the best show ever made.
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I still think the Wire was better.
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Punch yourself in the mouth. That should take care of it.
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Last guy who started making comments like this got a Popular Star next to his posting. Both shows are great but everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just sayin.
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Point taken. I left off the :sarcasm: smiley.
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The fact that some are already saying this show has eclipsed the Wire speaks to how great it is.
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Or how new it is.

Both are awesome.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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Why would Walt go in machine-gunning a meth lab of Nazis when he can just give up Lydia (who I'm sure would give up the Nazis) and pull the whole thing down?

That he very clearly appeared to not be sought after when he returned to ABQ keeps sticking with me.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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Why would Walt go in machine-gunning a meth lab of Nazis when he can just give up Lydia (who I'm sure would give up the Nazis) and pull the whole thing down?

That he very clearly appeared to not be sought after when he returned to ABQ keeps sticking with me.
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Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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Why would Walt go in machine-gunning a meth lab of Nazis when he can just give up Lydia (who I'm sure would give up the Nazis) and pull the whole thing down?

That he very clearly appeared to not be sought after when he returned to ABQ keeps sticking with me.
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My opinion? Because the best case scenario there would end up with Jesse in jail for the rest of his life. I still think that the ending that makes the most sense for the show is for Walt to somehow allow Jesse to have the type of life (with Andrea and Brock) that Walt's hubris destroyed for himself. I'm not entirely sure that's the ending we'll get, because there's a fair argument that Jesse (by killing Gayle) has gone too far to deserve that ending.

I don't think we've received much information to let us know whether Walter White is still wanted in ABQ. The fact that Walt isn't exactly hiding simply means (to me) that he's already on a suicide mission.

 
pantherclub said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
That we're being led to think "machine gun is for the Nazis" just seems too easy. There's gotta be a pretty major swerve in there somewhere.
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I don't think the show really deals in swerves all that often. Keeping Hank alive somehow would have been a swerve. Like most good stories, I think the ending of Breaking Bad should feel inexorable considering the logic of the story so far.
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Why would Walt go in machine-gunning a meth lab of Nazis when he can just give up Lydia (who I'm sure would give up the Nazis) and pull the whole thing down?

That he very clearly appeared to not be sought after when he returned to ABQ keeps sticking with me.
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Now that the cops are involved and all the cards are on the table it would be realistic to imagine that the DEA will go after Lydia and the nazis.
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That's the reason for Walt to get to Lydia first--she knows Skyler isn't merely a terrorized spouse.

 
I think the "Walt saving jesse" ship has sailed. We will see what happens but last night he wanted Jesse hurt BADLY. He thinks Jesse is a coward and a rat and now he thinks Jesse is responsible for Hank's death as well. He quickly gave him up to the Nazi's and told him about Jane to hurt him even though he knew the Nazi's were going to hurt him anyway. Maybe he goes to New Hampshire and gets some perspective since all of this was his fault, but I doubt it.

 
Why would walt want to save Jessie?

How could walt possibly find out that they are holding him to cook?

I would imagine after last night its going to be pretty difficult to get in touch with him so its going to be interesting to see how it all comes together.

 
pantherclub said:
Why would walt want to save Jessie?

How could walt possibly find out that they are holding him to cook?

I would imagine after last night its going to be pretty difficult to get in touch with him so its going to be interesting to see how it all comes together.
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Walt isn't going to want to save Jesse, he is going to want to kill him, imo.

Walt is going to find out Jesse is still alive when the blue stuff comes back out on the market, and he is going to know the Nazi's didn't hold up their end of the deal of killing Jesse.

 
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