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For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
I wish Marie would have died.

 
For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
Like I said a couple of posts up, she probably already implicated Jesse. What her feelings are towards him at this point are irrelevant to whether law enforcement tries to get him. If they find his prints there (and I figure they will), I don't see a scenario where they choose to ignore that he's still at large.

 
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For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
I wish Marie would have died.
I would've signed off on that.

 
For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
Like I said a couple of posts up, she probably already implicated Jesse. What her feelings are towards him at this point are irrelevant to whether law enforcement tries to get him. If they find his prints there (and I figure they will), I don't see a scenario where they choose to ignore that he's still at large.
We don't know how much Marie knows about Jesse's involvement with Walt. I doubt the Nazi's kept the confession tape around since it implicated Todd directly in a murder so there's nothing of substance for anyone to go on. I'm not a cop but the best he seems to be is a person of interest in a case which by all accounts appear to be closed now that Walt's dead.

 
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For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
Like I said a couple of posts up, she probably already implicated Jesse. What her feelings are towards him at this point are irrelevant to whether law enforcement tries to get him. If they find his prints there (and I figure they will), I don't see a scenario where they choose to ignore that he's still at large.
We don't know how much Marie knows about Jesse's involvement with Walt. I doubt the Nazi's kept the confession tape around since it implicated Todd directly in a murder so there's nothing of substance for anyone to go on. I'm not a cop but the best he seems to be is a person of interest in a case which by all accounts appear to be closed now that Walt's dead.
All she'll have had to have said was that Pinkman was with Hank and Gomez when they went to the desert. When they don't find his body there or at the compound (but do find his prints there - let's also not forget he struggled with Walt when Walt tackled him, don't know if they could pick up anything like prints or DNA from Jesse off Walt), I'd imagine they'd probably do a little bit of digging to see if they can't find the guy.

 
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Even if the cops go looking for Jesse how hard will they really look? They have no idea of his involvement with any of this. The only ones who knew are both dead.

Walt is the one they wanted. They found him at the scene of a crime dead along with a lot of other dead bodies. They also know now where Hank and Gomey's bodies are. As far as they know a lot of bad guys killed each other and the person they believe is responsible for Hank and Gomey being shot is dead too.

Case closed.
Wouldn't Jesse's prints be all over the meth lab equipment, while Walt's wouldn't be (except for that one container he touched)? At the very least you'd think they'd be concerned that somebody involved in the production of the blue meth was still at large.
They don't know if he was involved and like I said I'm not sure they'd care all that much. To the best of their knowledge Walt was the kingpin and now that he's dead I could see them concluding this is all over.

Besides, as was posted already the point of all this isn't what happens next to/for Jesse. It's all about him being free. He's no longer a prisoner of the Nazi's or of Walt. That's the gift Walt gave him and one could say it's the only real gift he ever gave him.
:shrug:

I can't see it being cased closed. There's the dvd evidence the police will find, he's a known drug dealer from way back, they've got absolutely no-one alive besides him to pin anything on or clear up what happened. Law enforcement isn't just going to shrug its shoulders at that point and let him go. His only likely outcomes are leaving the country or getting caught.
The Aryans probably destroyed the confession tape once they knew what was on it.

Beyond that, the cops don't know that much about Jesse. His name pops up from time to time but they don't have any clue how deep his involvement went. They'll look into him for sure, but they won't find out much since all the big players are dead, and with the blue meth starting to disappear they won't have a lot of reason to pursue him real hard.

 
For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
Like I said a couple of posts up, she probably already implicated Jesse. What her feelings are towards him at this point are irrelevant to whether law enforcement tries to get him. If they find his prints there (and I figure they will), I don't see a scenario where they choose to ignore that he's still at large.
We don't know how much Marie knows about Jesse's involvement with Walt. I doubt the Nazi's kept the confession tape around since it implicated Todd directly in a murder so there's nothing of substance for anyone to go on. I'm not a cop but the best he seems to be is a person of interest in a case which by all accounts appear to be closed now that Walt's dead.
All she'll have had to have said was that Pinkman was with Hank and Gomez when they went to the desert. When they don't find his body there or at the compound (but do find his prints there - let's also not forget he struggled with Walt when Walt tackled him, don't know if they could pick up anything like prints or DNA from Jesse off Walt), I'd imagine they'd probably do a little bit of digging to see if they can't find the guy.
Then they check with their informants and the word on the street will be that Jesse's in Alaska. Considering they don't have any evidence which suggests he's a major player in all this do you think they're going to Alaska to try and find him?

 
Do we know who sold him the gun and gave him the car at the Denys or did I miss it?
that's a good one.
so....i missed it?
His name is Jim Beaver I think. I don't recall seeing him before though.That whole thing about keeping the gun in town now is pretty moot though. That's obviously being filed away at the police station.
He sold Walt the revolver when he was going to shoot Gus

 
Gilligan said he thinks Jesse will go somewhere like Alaska and commute with nature. If that's good enough for Vince that's good enough for me.

I honestly never thought he'd go to see Brock. How would he even know where to find him at this point?
Where are they going? Can't nature just work from home?

 
"Sir, it appears there are about 8 dead people here. They died in a shootout. One of them appears to be Walter White."

"Good. Case closed."

"Sir, should we check for fingerprints on any of the guns or equipment?"

"Not need, detective. Walter White is dead."

"Sir?"

"He's dead. Case closed."

DAYS LATER.....

"Sir, we went ahead and ran fingerprints on the guns and Jessie Pinkman's fingerprints came back."

"I thought I said case closed."

"You did. But I just thought we should, maybe, do some police work."

"Well, it doesn't matter anyway. He's probably long gone by now. Nothing we can do."

"Sir, it was a multiple homicide in a case that involved one of the DEA's most wanted criminals. Don't you think we should forward the prints to them?"

"No. No need. I'm sure he's left the state by now. He's pretty much in the wind by now. Besides, Walter White is dead. Case closed. Who's up for some coffee down at Dunkin' Donuts?"

 
Do we know who sold him the gun and gave him the car at the Denys or did I miss it?
that's a good one.
so....i missed it?
His name is Jim Beaver I think. I don't recall seeing him before though.That whole thing about keeping the gun in town now is pretty moot though. That's obviously being filed away at the police station.
He sold Walt the revolver when he was going to shoot Gus
Yes, the actor's name is Jim Beaver. I actually do not remember/know his name on the show. He sold Walt the gun in season 4. He was shown in the flash forward in the first scene of season 5A selling Walt the gun.

 
"Sir, it appears there are about 8 dead people here. They died in a shootout. One of them appears to be Walter White."

"Good. Case closed."

"Sir, should we check for fingerprints on any of the guns or equipment?"

"Not need, detective. Walter White is dead."

"Sir?"

"He's dead. Case closed."

DAYS LATER.....

"Sir, we went ahead and ran fingerprints on the guns and Jessie Pinkman's fingerprints came back."

"I thought I said case closed."

"You did. But I just thought we should, maybe, do some police work."

"Well, it doesn't matter anyway. He's probably long gone by now. Nothing we can do."

"Sir, it was a multiple homicide in a case that involved one of the DEA's most wanted criminals. Don't you think we should forward the prints to them?"

"No. No need. I'm sure he's left the state by now. He's pretty much in the wind by now. Besides, Walter White is dead. Case closed. Who's up for some coffee down at Dunkin' Donuts?"
Sounds like Gomez is alive after all. SHUT IT DOWN.

 
"Sir, it appears there are about 8 dead people here. They died in a shootout. One of them appears to be Walter White."

"Good. Case closed."

"Sir, should we check for fingerprints on any of the guns or equipment?"

"Not need, detective. Walter White is dead."

"Sir?"

"He's dead. Case closed."

DAYS LATER.....

"Sir, we went ahead and ran fingerprints on the guns and Jessie Pinkman's fingerprints came back."

"I thought I said case closed."

"You did. But I just thought we should, maybe, do some police work."

"Well, it doesn't matter anyway. He's probably long gone by now. Nothing we can do."

"Sir, it was a multiple homicide in a case that involved one of the DEA's most wanted criminals. Don't you think we should forward the prints to them?"

"No. No need. I'm sure he's left the state by now. He's pretty much in the wind by now. Besides, Walter White is dead. Case closed. Who's up for some coffee down at Dunkin' Donuts?"
"Canvas the area and tell me if Walter White's finger prints are on murder weapon, also check out that car with the gun hanging out the back."

"All come back tied to Walter White? - NICE"

"Except one guy was choked to death?"

"Oh $#%%#"

 
For all Marie knew, Jesse was as dead and missing as Hank was. Finding Hank's body and not Jesse's isn't going to be some moral conflict for her that she now wants Jesse's body dead or alive too.
Yup. She got what she wanted - Walt's dead. I don't think she cares at all what happens to Jesse since there's no reason for her to believe Jesse had anything to do with Hank's death. As far as she's concerned that's all on Walt.
Like I said a couple of posts up, she probably already implicated Jesse. What her feelings are towards him at this point are irrelevant to whether law enforcement tries to get him. If they find his prints there (and I figure they will), I don't see a scenario where they choose to ignore that he's still at large.
We don't know how much Marie knows about Jesse's involvement with Walt. I doubt the Nazi's kept the confession tape around since it implicated Todd directly in a murder so there's nothing of substance for anyone to go on. I'm not a cop but the best he seems to be is a person of interest in a case which by all accounts appear to be closed now that Walt's dead.
All she'll have had to have said was that Pinkman was with Hank and Gomez when they went to the desert. When they don't find his body there or at the compound (but do find his prints there - let's also not forget he struggled with Walt when Walt tackled him, don't know if they could pick up anything like prints or DNA from Jesse off Walt), I'd imagine they'd probably do a little bit of digging to see if they can't find the guy.
Then they check with their informants and the word on the street will be that Jesse's in Alaska. Considering they don't have any evidence which suggests he's a major player in all this do you think they're going to Alaska to try and find him?
No evidence? You mean apart from whatever Marie might have told them already, whatever details Hank may have left behind, his fingerprints all over the chains he used to choke Todd to death (which at the very least makes him a murder suspect, even if it is the murder of a lowlife thug) and the key he used to open the manacles, probably his fingerprints in the lab, probably evidence of his struggle with Walt just before Walt got killed, and even with Walt's "confession" the fact that he still is last known person to have seen Schroeder or Gomez before they got killed?

Yeah, they won't follow up on any of that.
ETA: Let's not forget the 2 other law enforcement guys who were questioning him after he got brought in for throwing all his money away (I guess that's not still suspicious or anything) that Hank interrupted to confront Pinkman with the Walt revelation. I'm sure they won't be at all interested to know Pinkman somehow lived through the armageddon at the aryan compound.

 
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Do we know who sold him the gun and gave him the car at the Denys or did I miss it?
that's a good one.
so....i missed it?
His name is Jim Beaver I think. I don't recall seeing him before though.That whole thing about keeping the gun in town now is pretty moot though. That's obviously being filed away at the police station.
He sold Walt the revolver when he was going to shoot Gus
Yes, the actor's name is Jim Beaver. I actually do not remember/know his name on the show. He sold Walt the gun in season 4. He was shown in the flash forward in the first scene of season 5A selling Walt the gun.
Ahhh,

Yes you are right. Was the same guy. Lawson was his name.

 
Do we know who sold him the gun and gave him the car at the Denys or did I miss it?
that's a good one.
so....i missed it?
His name is Jim Beaver I think. I don't recall seeing him before though.That whole thing about keeping the gun in town now is pretty moot though. That's obviously being filed away at the police station.
He sold Walt the revolver when he was going to shoot Gus
Yes, the actor's name is Jim Beaver. I actually do not remember/know his name on the show. He sold Walt the gun in season 4. He was shown in the flash forward in the first scene of season 5A selling Walt the gun.
Ahhh,

Yes you are right. Was the same guy. Lawson was his name.
His name was Robert Lawson. His name was Robert Lawson. His name was Robert Lawson.

Wait. My bad. That's not right. I think I'm thinking of two different things.

 
Forgot about the chains which killed Todd.

Still, it's been months since anyone saw Jesse. Word on the street is he's now in Alaska. I still think at best he's a person of interest. Nobody was going on Charlie Rose talking about Jesse. Nobody had any clue what his real involvement was in everything. Everyone who knew is dead, including Walt, the one person the DEA was looking for.

Still think the case is closed and everyone moves on. Once the blue meth stops showing up the cops will definitely believe it's all over.

 
If Jesse ended up as meticulous as Walt with the lab, there were no prints there as it was wiped clean after every cook. They aren't pulling prints off of the chains or a key. DNA maybe, but it's not like there is a DNA database that Jesse is in. He was already considered a person of interest and on the run though according to the articles. He has no money as he threw it all over town. Maybe he had some at home stashed still, after all he was living off of SOMEthing before Walt dropped off the $5M. Jesse went home, got whatever he had and left ABQ. To do what and where, no idea.

 
Things just would have went much smoother for Walt if Jesse wasn't involved. He'd probably still be cooking for Gus making bank. Jesse should have just got in that minivan.

 
Forgot about the chains which killed Todd.

Still, it's been months since anyone saw Jesse. Word on the street is he's now in Alaska. I still think at best he's a person of interest. Nobody was going on Charlie Rose talking about Jesse. Nobody had any clue what his real involvement was in everything. Everyone who knew is dead, including Walt, the one person the DEA was looking for.

Still think the case is closed and everyone moves on. Once the blue meth stops showing up the cops will definitely believe it's all over.
Sarah Palin would probably track him down.

 
My two highfive or yelling at the TV moments last night were

1. The laser pointers; once Walt got in the car I said to my wife, "I bet it was just some hired crackheads with laser pointers". When it was Skinny Pete and Badger I was all excited and highfived the wife.

2. When Todd was looking out the window I yelled "KILL HIM JESSE!!!" then stood up and clapped when he wrapped that chain around his neck.

Those weren't the two best or my favorite scenes, but those got the outward reactions. Sadness during the flashback, Walt & Skyler (another moment I said to my wife "he's already there"), and of course the headnod and collapse at the end with the tip of the cap to Crawlspace. This was a great finale, the best final season of a show I have ever seen, and a top 3 show of all time in any category or genre.

 
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Don't think I've ever cheered and yelled at my TV (for a non sporting event) the way I did when the Nazis were getting sprayed and Jessie was RNCing with the chain.

 
After thinking about it for much of the day, the whole story seems sad. And that's a great emotion for a show that was alternately funny and horrifying. I described the show to friends that hadn't seen it as "a show about a middle-aged, middle class guy that makes decisions that ultimately lead to death and destruction for everyone around him." And thinking about it, that's the kind of story that really should be heartbreakingly sad.

The "climax" of the story was Ozymandius and as Sepinwall wrote, the last two weeks are just the epilogue to that. But when Skyler was talking to him and he finally said, "No...I did it for me...I liked it, and I was good at it...." the utter and complete depressing sadness of the whole story really came in to focus. I thought that was the emotional high-point of the entire series and every scene after that may as well have been after-the-credits. I guess I don't care to nitpick the last twenty minutes because while I was entertained, the end result didn't matter to me anymore - Walter finally acknowledging to Skyler the truth about why he did was the important part.

The series protagonist has been leaving a hurricane of death and destruction in his wake all the while telling himself and all around that it was for family. He finally admitted it was because he was selfish and not becuase of the family at all. That and the flashback to Hank in the living room just killed me.

 
After thinking about it for much of the day, the whole story seems sad. And that's a great emotion for a show that was alternately funny and horrifying. I described the show to friends that hadn't seen it as "a show about a middle-aged, middle class guy that makes decisions that ultimately lead to death and destruction for everyone around him." And thinking about it, that's the kind of story that really should be heartbreakingly sad.

The "climax" of the story was Ozymandius and as Sepinwall wrote, the last two weeks are just the epilogue to that. But when Skyler was talking to him and he finally said, "No...I did it for me...I liked it, and I was good at it...." the utter and complete depressing sadness of the whole story really came in to focus. I thought that was the emotional high-point of the entire series and every scene after that may as well have been after-the-credits. I guess I don't care to nitpick the last twenty minutes because while I was entertained, the end result didn't matter to me anymore - Walter finally acknowledging to Skyler the truth about why he did was the important part.

The series protagonist has been leaving a hurricane of death and destruction in his wake all the while telling himself and all around that it was for family. He finally admitted it was because he was selfish and not becuase of the family at all. That and the flashback to Hank in the living room just killed me.
well said

 
After thinking about it for much of the day, the whole story seems sad. And that's a great emotion for a show that was alternately funny and horrifying. I described the show to friends that hadn't seen it as "a show about a middle-aged, middle class guy that makes decisions that ultimately lead to death and destruction for everyone around him." And thinking about it, that's the kind of story that really should be heartbreakingly sad.

The "climax" of the story was Ozymandius and as Sepinwall wrote, the last two weeks are just the epilogue to that. But when Skyler was talking to him and he finally said, "No...I did it for me...I liked it, and I was good at it...." the utter and complete depressing sadness of the whole story really came in to focus. I thought that was the emotional high-point of the entire series and every scene after that may as well have been after-the-credits. I guess I don't care to nitpick the last twenty minutes because while I was entertained, the end result didn't matter to me anymore - Walter finally acknowledging to Skyler the truth about why he did was the important part.

The series protagonist has been leaving a hurricane of death and destruction in his wake all the while telling himself and all around that it was for family. He finally admitted it was because he was selfish and not becuase of the family at all. That and the flashback to Hank in the living room just killed me.
Totally agree. Those two scenes actually left a "someone died" type of feeling in me.

 
After thinking about it for much of the day, the whole story seems sad. And that's a great emotion for a show that was alternately funny and horrifying. I described the show to friends that hadn't seen it as "a show about a middle-aged, middle class guy that makes decisions that ultimately lead to death and destruction for everyone around him." And thinking about it, that's the kind of story that really should be heartbreakingly sad.

The "climax" of the story was Ozymandius and as Sepinwall wrote, the last two weeks are just the epilogue to that. But when Skyler was talking to him and he finally said, "No...I did it for me...I liked it, and I was good at it...." the utter and complete depressing sadness of the whole story really came in to focus. I thought that was the emotional high-point of the entire series and every scene after that may as well have been after-the-credits. I guess I don't care to nitpick the last twenty minutes because while I was entertained, the end result didn't matter to me anymore - Walter finally acknowledging to Skyler the truth about why he did was the important part.

The series protagonist has been leaving a hurricane of death and destruction in his wake all the while telling himself and all around that it was for family. He finally admitted it was because he was selfish and not becuase of the family at all. That and the flashback to Hank in the living room just killed me.
can you completely fault him though. middle aged guy who's always done the right thing, hasn't a pot to piss in, finds out he's dying. obviously went off the tracks for him but judging by his expression at the end, he wouldn't change it as it was a hell of a ride.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
It's one thing to have a terrible finale if you just don't have the ability to make a good one for whatever reason (lack of talent, story line presents obstacles, etc.). But they obviously could have just had Ozymandias as the finale and just inserted filler along the way to stretch things out a bit if they wanted, so we know that the ability to make a great finale wasn't an issue here. They chose not to do have that be the finale but to tell more of the story- since they were talented enough to make this show to date, I'm pretty comfortable that they won't suddenly botch a decision that badly.
Exactly. Ozymandias was really the finale of the story. The last two episodes of the series are telling the "what happens after/what is the fallout" angle that we never see once the credits roll at the end of a movie.
I still think this. I'm still pretty sad today.

 
I must be the only person who didn't get all emotional during the flashback scene. I understood its point but it didn't hit me in the gut or anything. Of all the emotionally satisfying scenes in the episode that one didn't even register much with me.

 
After thinking about it for much of the day, the whole story seems sad. And that's a great emotion for a show that was alternately funny and horrifying. I described the show to friends that hadn't seen it as "a show about a middle-aged, middle class guy that makes decisions that ultimately lead to death and destruction for everyone around him." And thinking about it, that's the kind of story that really should be heartbreakingly sad.

The "climax" of the story was Ozymandius and as Sepinwall wrote, the last two weeks are just the epilogue to that. But when Skyler was talking to him and he finally said, "No...I did it for me...I liked it, and I was good at it...." the utter and complete depressing sadness of the whole story really came in to focus. I thought that was the emotional high-point of the entire series and every scene after that may as well have been after-the-credits. I guess I don't care to nitpick the last twenty minutes because while I was entertained, the end result didn't matter to me anymore - Walter finally acknowledging to Skyler the truth about why he did was the important part.

The series protagonist has been leaving a hurricane of death and destruction in his wake all the while telling himself and all around that it was for family. He finally admitted it was because he was selfish and not becuase of the family at all. That and the flashback to Hank in the living room just killed me.
I struggled with these feelings also but read my previous post about this.

Walt told Skylar what she needed to be told in order for her to move on- that he was responsible for the death of Hank and the cause for the destruction of the family, that it was him who did everything and it was her who was the innocent one. His family needed for him to do that.

Nevermind that Skylar a few months ago wanted to kill Jesse, she lavished when she stood next to Ted in the hospital bed and saw the terror in his eyes, never mind that she loved all the money, and only suddenly found her morality when Hank caught onto them.

 
I must be the only person who didn't get all emotional during the flashback scene. I understood its point but it didn't hit me in the gut or anything. Of all the emotionally satisfying scenes in the episode that one didn't even register much with me.
At the time it didnt hit me, after I watched it again that's when it did. Just seeing how far they all came, how much changed,Hank dying, family in ruins and Walt dead put that scene on another level the second time around. Everyone was "happy" then.

 

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