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Dumb question of the day: why can't Gus and the cartel find a reasonable financial middle ground without conflict?

As Tony Soprano said to Phil Leotardo in the hospital: "There's plenty of garbage to go around."

I couldn't believe the guy wouldn't even acknowledge the $50M offer from Gus.

 
'Sundays Rule said:
'ArcticEdge said:
If you dont think Walt can be the boss, and the baddest mofo on the show, why are you watching?
Because of Aaron Paul who just may have a slight edge over Cranston in the acting dept IMO.
A.P. is a lock for the Best Supporting Actor Emmy, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if he was slotted in the Outstanding Lead Actor category against Cranston. I doubt it will ever happen though, as Cranston will always be perceived as the lead dog.
Have 2 actors from the same show been nominated in the "lead" category before?I think Paul is out acting Cranston this season :thumbup:
 
Dumb question of the day: why can't Gus and the cartel find a reasonable financial middle ground without conflict?As Tony Soprano said to Phil Leotardo in the hospital: "There's plenty of garbage to go around."I couldn't believe the guy wouldn't even acknowledge the $50M offer from Gus.
They're greedy? I don't know if you can compare the nouveau riche Mexican drug cartels with old-school LCN crews like on the Sopranos.
 
In many ways I'm actually rooting for Hank to "solve" the case.
I don't see any way that he doesn't. Gilligan is telling a great story here, but in the grand scheme of things Tuco and Gus and Mike and Saul are bit players. The show started with a silent battle between Hank and Walt over who was the man (remember Hank making fun of Walt at Hank's birthday party to the delight of friends while Wal sat there sheepishly?). Walt has risen up, Hank has been brought down a few pegs. Now Hank is getting his life back and Walt's is getting more complicated. They're going to meet again in the middle and someone is going to "win" and someone is going to "lose."
I think I floated this idea before but I think Walt eventually has something over Hank.

Just spit-balling here but...

How willing is Hank to bring Walt down (and ruin Skyler, Tiny Tim, and Holly) if/when he finds out that Walt is Hindenburg?

Hank and Marie have directly benefited from Walt's drug money...whether they knew it or not. And even if he couldn't make it look like Hank was in on it (especially considering what Hank brought to the DEA this last episode) Walt could always threaten to tell the DEA/APD that Marie knew.
Intentional or not, that made me laugh.
 
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.

Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.

In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.

 
'Sundays Rule said:
'ArcticEdge said:
If you dont think Walt can be the boss, and the baddest mofo on the show, why are you watching?
Because of Aaron Paul who just may have a slight edge over Cranston in the acting dept IMO.
A.P. is a lock for the Best Supporting Actor Emmy, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if he was slotted in the Outstanding Lead Actor category against Cranston. I doubt it will ever happen though, as Cranston will always be perceived as the lead dog.
Have 2 actors from the same show been nominated in the "lead" category before?I think Paul is out acting Cranston this season :thumbup:
The look in Pauls eyes as he was painting and Walt was behind recanting their stories with Gus was awesome.
 
What lines did you read between to find the annual dollar value of the business arrangement with Gus?
Walt and Jesse discussed how much money Gus was making compared to what they were making. Based on how substantial that number was, you can figure the dollar value of the arrangement with the cartel was in the 10s of millions annually.
You seem to know a lot more detail about Gus's arrangement with the cartel than I do. Did I miss an episode or a scene or something? It's possible- I'm easily distracted.
Passive aggressive much?
 
'Raider Nation said:
Dumb question of the day: why can't Gus and the cartel find a reasonable financial middle ground without conflict?

As Tony Soprano said to Phil Leotardo in the hospital: "There's plenty of garbage to go around."

I couldn't believe the guy wouldn't even acknowledge the $50M offer from Gus.
Interesting, yesterday evening I watched this show on history channel about the history of cocaine and how the dynamics has really changed. What was said was it used to be one cartel would sell in one area and another cartel in another and the system worked great. Now it's completely changed. If one cartel sees another making more money then they try and sell / take over another cartel's territory. Believe they said deaths has gone up from 15k to over 50k a year. It's now at a point where in Mexico it's almost as bad as Columbia and in threat of being run by a cartel capo state. The main problem is that many of the thugs/hit men when the leader is killed or jailed takes over control. That used to never be the case and kept violence down. They now bring in engineers to design submarines that cost 2 million and a drug runner said that's nothing because they can make almost 80 million in ONE shipment into the USA.

I think this fits in with this show. Mexican cartel sees another product taking over their product and unlike the old days where everyone can make money they want it and want the territory.

 
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
From the upcoming clips it's clear from what Walt is saying that whatever they do, Hank can't catch Gus or it's all over and will fall on him. Unless nobody believes Hank then killing Hank won't stop police trying to get Gus so ultimately Walt is still in danger. I think if the show goes down the path where Hank is not believed but he continues to try and finger Gus, Walt or someone in their gang has to kill Hank.
 
I can't really see how Gus can order Walt to do anything. Gus actually needs Walt more because he's the only person who can make the drug that everyone seems to crave. If Walt was an average or decent cook that would be different but he's far and beyond the best out there.

 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
This is a good scenario. To me it still boils down to which path Walt chooses. Does he work with the cops or does he work with the criminals? The whole series has been largely about his transformation from weak to strong, right vs. wrong, etc, etc. Will he come to his senses and try to save his family or will his ego get in the way again? The big questions and entertainment will be how his choice affects everyone else around him - par for the course.Any chance Walt gives up Gus and evolves into Gus' position? I just can't see it at this point; the show definitely seems to be leading toward a conclusion and not leaving it open ended.
 
'McJose said:
'Raider Nation said:
Dumb question of the day: why can't Gus and the cartel find a reasonable financial middle ground without conflict?As Tony Soprano said to Phil Leotardo in the hospital: "There's plenty of garbage to go around."I couldn't believe the guy wouldn't even acknowledge the $50M offer from Gus.
They're greedy? I don't know if you can compare the nouveau riche Mexican drug cartels with old-school LCN crews like on the Sopranos.
Gus has cornered the entire Southwest market with a product that is far better than those of any competition and with the ability to produce it in quantities that meet demand.In terms of location, the southwest is prime real estate - thre cartel has to travel pretty far and at much greater risk to deliver product to the lucrative US market.I'm sure that Gus also has control of the distribution chain.
 
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
From the upcoming clips it's clear from what Walt is saying that whatever they do, Hank can't catch Gus or it's all over and will fall on him. Unless nobody believes Hank then killing Hank won't stop police trying to get Gus so ultimately Walt is still in danger. I think if the show goes down the path where Hank is not believed but he continues to try and finger Gus, Walt or someone in their gang has to kill Hank.
well, they didn't believe Hank before, but now he has just shown them that Gus' fingerprints are in Gale's house...that's a solid lead
 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
Gus has trained killers or access to them so having Walt do it seems like a dumb move. Increases the chance it'll come back to Gus. Gus would probably just kill Walt and his entire family if he feels like it has to be done in order to not get caught.
 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
Gus has trained killers or access to them so having Walt do it seems like a dumb move. Increases the chance it'll come back to Gus. Gus would probably just kill Walt and his entire family if he feels like it has to be done in order to not get caught.
Such a direct hit by Gus against Hank/Walt would attract unwanted attention by law enforcement; while a single poison in Hanks beer that gives him a stroke raises far less red flags and essentially does the same thing.
 
'TexanFan02 said:
Why wouldn't the cartel just kidnap Walt? Then they get the chemist. I'm guessing Gus has him watched.
I'm sure they are considering that.The first order of business is to get Gus to accept their terms peacably. any actions against Walt or his family could bring in the added heat of the DEA. It also could cause war with Gus' team which would inflict casulaties and damage.
 
'TexanFan02 said:
Why wouldn't the cartel just kidnap Walt? Then they get the chemist. I'm guessing Gus has him watched.
That would funny if they kidnapped the wrong Walter White and nabbed Jr. instead. Pan to the poor kid getting tortured b/c he says he can't cook.
 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
Gus has trained killers or access to them so having Walt do it seems like a dumb move. Increases the chance it'll come back to Gus. Gus would probably just kill Walt and his entire family if he feels like it has to be done in order to not get caught.
Such a direct hit by Gus against Hank/Walt would attract unwanted attention by law enforcement; while a single poison in Hanks beer that gives him a stroke raises far less red flags and essentially does the same thing.
Can't see Gus trusting Walt to do anything but cook his meth. Mike asked Gus in the diner that he could get more people (in response to cartel) but Gus held him off. It would be easier to have Mike handle it (on his own or get someone) than to ask Walt.Then again Walt's family knows zero about Gus and if they did they would have to implicate their father which isn't going to happen..at least it wouldn't seem like they would.
 
Lots of bald men on this show. I can see something happen where DEA either kills Eisenburgh or they find him dead only that it's not Walter but think they got the right man. Mike, Walt, Jesse, Hank all all white and without hair. Say Mike is dressed in black with black hat and DEA finds him dead, why wouldn't they think it's not Eisenburgh? Why not think it's Hank who suddenly "figure it out" when all along it was him?

 
'Tiger Fan said:
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The cartel kidnaps Skyler and or/Walt Jr.Gus goes in full bore. He loses many of his men, (maybe even Mike), but secures the rescue.In return he orders Walt to personally take out Hank.
I like this
Why not simplify it.Gus tells Walt either you deal with Hank or Skyler and Walt Jr. will die, maybe use the poison on him at a family dinner.
Gus has trained killers or access to them so having Walt do it seems like a dumb move. Increases the chance it'll come back to Gus. Gus would probably just kill Walt and his entire family if he feels like it has to be done in order to not get caught.
Such a direct hit by Gus against Hank/Walt would attract unwanted attention by law enforcement; while a single poison in Hanks beer that gives him a stroke raises far less red flags and essentially does the same thing.
Can't see Gus trusting Walt to do anything but cook his meth. Mike asked Gus in the diner that he could get more people (in response to cartel) but Gus held him off. It would be easier to have Mike handle it (on his own or get someone) than to ask Walt.Then again Walt's family knows zero about Gus and if they did they would have to implicate their father which isn't going to happen..at least it wouldn't seem like they would.
If anything happens to Hank like getting shot (or die in a violent way) then law enforcement is going to investigate anything he was working on in order to find a motive.Much easier to just have Walt poison him - and really Walt has to understand that he is protecting himself, and lets not forget his family, as well as Gus when he does it.
 
not sure which is the worst aspect of this thread.. the certainty of theories about what will happen or the ####stroking of Aaron Paul

jesus

 
not sure which is the worst aspect of this thread.. the certainty of theories about what will happen or the ####stroking of Aaron Paul

jesus
The thread is usually pretty good until Wednesday. That's when the theories seem to start popping up. To each his own. It's not my thing when watching shows but people like to speculate.I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at his craft. It's somewhat similar to Walter Goggins (the actor) in the Shield as that show went along.

 
I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.Much like Cranston.
 
I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.Much like Cranston.
I agree. He is way more subtle this year with almost everything he does. Its been a lot of fun to watch. Walter has become such a gangster on the other hand its crazy. And some times he overdoes it without realizing the people around him have been taking notes and can read it.Edited to change Cranston to Walter. I feel that Jesse is being very down to the reality while Walt is getting too big in his own mind for his own good.
 
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I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.Much like Cranston.
I think the change is more with the character than with the actor. At the start of the series Jesse was trying to be a bad parody of Eminem. Since then he's been through a lot, and it has changed him. Paul has done a great job playing Jesse throughout those changes.
 
I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.

Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.

Much like Cranston.
I think the change is more with the character than with the actor. At the start of the series Jesse was trying to be a bad parody of Eminem. Since then he's been through a lot, and it has changed him. Paul has done a great job playing Jesse throughout those changes.
:goodposting: Nailed it. He's been solid throughout. It wasn't Paul that was over the top, it was Jesse. Paul didn't write his ridiculous myspace page or his answering machine message.

By the way, I googled the answering machine message and found a youtube clip. I take back what I said earlier- the guys complaining about Anna Gunn putting on so much weight thati it creates a continuity problem

.
 
I think it could be a mix of of him getting better and him getting a better character to work with from the writers. Considering Jesse was supposed to die in season 1, if the writer's strike hadn't happened, I don't think they originally intended him to be this deep of a character and maybe Paul was playing him the way he was supposed to (goofball, hip-hop wannabe drug kingpin.)

As the writers realized where they could go with Jesse, it could have been that Paul was able to keep up and come through because he always was a good actor that's now a good actor that's giving a great performance these last 2 seasons.

 
In the end Walter is still a cowardly chemistry teacher inside who through various strokes of luck has managed to survive. It it wasn't for Hank, Tuco would have killed him. If it wasn't for Gus the twins would have chopped him up last year, it was it for wasn't Jesse, Mike would have whacked him. Heisenberg is one big facade he puts on
:goodposting: And it takes me back to season one when Jessie telss him that "You just cant break bad. You either are or you arent."
 
In the end Walter is still a cowardly chemistry teacher inside who through various strokes of luck has managed to survive. It it wasn't for Hank, Tuco would have killed him. If it wasn't for Gus the twins would have chopped him up last year, it was it for wasn't Jesse, Mike would have whacked him. Heisenberg is one big facade he puts on
:goodposting:

And it takes me back to season one when Jessie telss him that "You just cant break bad. You either are or you arent."
Do you (or anyone else who wants to comment on it) agree or disagree with that statement?
 
In the end Walter is still a cowardly chemistry teacher inside who through various strokes of luck has managed to survive. It it wasn't for Hank, Tuco would have killed him. If it wasn't for Gus the twins would have chopped him up last year, it was it for wasn't Jesse, Mike would have whacked him. Heisenberg is one big facade he puts on
:goodposting:

And it takes me back to season one when Jessie telss him that "You just cant break bad. You either are or you arent."
Do you (or anyone else who wants to comment on it) agree or disagree with that statement?
I absolutely do. The question then becomes, was Walter always bad? Did the cancer bring him to the realization of this, or did it force the dillusion?

 
In the end Walter is still a cowardly chemistry teacher inside who through various strokes of luck has managed to survive. It it wasn't for Hank, Tuco would have killed him. If it wasn't for Gus the twins would have chopped him up last year, it was it for wasn't Jesse, Mike would have whacked him. Heisenberg is one big facade he puts on
:goodposting:

And it takes me back to season one when Jessie telss him that "You just cant break bad. You either are or you arent."
Do you (or anyone else who wants to comment on it) agree or disagree with that statement?
I absolutely do. The question then becomes, was Walter always bad? Did the cancer bring him to the realization of this, or did it force the dillusion?
Interestingly I once knew a guy who thought he had Lou Gehrig disease and told that it was only a matter of time before he succumb to it. For years was waiting under a seeming death sentence then he finds out he was misdiagnosis-ed and has some odd immune disease involving his blood that effects like .1 % of the population (I forgot the name of it). Anyway afterwards he begins to act out, divorcing his wife, doing racing, ski diving and a few other things. It was not all bad though he also went back to college and finished with a degree in I think chemistry (LOL - maybe he was Walter White).
 
I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.

Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.

Much like Cranston.
I think the change is more with the character than with the actor. At the start of the series Jesse was trying to be a bad parody of Eminem. Since then he's been through a lot, and it has changed him. Paul has done a great job playing Jesse throughout those changes.
:goodposting: Nailed it. He's been solid throughout. It wasn't Paul that was over the top, it was Jesse. Paul didn't write his ridiculous myspace page or his answering machine message.

By the way, I googled the answering machine message and found a youtube clip. I take back what I said earlier- the guys complaining about Anna Gunn putting on so much weight thati it creates a continuity problem

Yea, it's amazing to see that she's doubled in size at least in just a few years.
 
In the end Walter is still a cowardly chemistry teacher inside who through various strokes of luck has managed to survive. It it wasn't for Hank, Tuco would have killed him. If it wasn't for Gus the twins would have chopped him up last year, it was it for wasn't Jesse, Mike would have whacked him. Heisenberg is one big facade he puts on
:goodposting:

And it takes me back to season one when Jessie telss him that "You just cant break bad. You either are or you arent."
Do you (or anyone else who wants to comment on it) agree or disagree with that statement?
I disagree. You never know until you are given the chance. This goes for most things in life. I could say I want to be a dealer but how will I know until I try? I could also say I would never be a dealer but if thrown into it I really have no idea. What you think is not always the same as what you can or can't do.As for Jesse's character I wouldn't be surprised if Gilligan was looking for someone who was a sort of Slim Shady type guy then develop his character through the years. It wouldn't have made any sense if Jesse as played now started off that way. Pretty much every character Gilligan chose were in X-files the show he wrote for and he's said he knew what these actors were like before hiring them in fact he had to push hard for Cranston to play Walter White.

 
I don't see the Aaron Paul love being too over the top. People just acknowledging that he has come a long way since the first season. it's fun to watch someone improve at their craft
About a dozen pages back I wondered how much of Paul's improvement was a direct result of being around Cranston.Cranston is so brilliant at underplaying Walt, at conveying a wide range of emotions with just a glare, a shoulder shrug, or a few mumbled words.

Paul was so ridiculously over-the-top that first season (he was like a bad parody of Eminem). His improvement has been his ability to convey so much internally with minimal dialogue or hyper gestures.

Much like Cranston.
I think the change is more with the character than with the actor. At the start of the series Jesse was trying to be a bad parody of Eminem. Since then he's been through a lot, and it has changed him. Paul has done a great job playing Jesse throughout those changes.
:goodposting: Nailed it. He's been solid throughout. It wasn't Paul that was over the top, it was Jesse. Paul didn't write his ridiculous myspace page or his answering machine message.

By the way, I googled the answering machine message and found a youtube clip. I take back what I said earlier- the guys complaining about Anna Gunn putting on so much weight thati it creates a continuity problem

when they were playing it back from Season 1 a couple of months ago, they had the commercials with interviews with the cast...I kept thinking to myself "who is this big chick and why do they keep interviewing her??"
 
'TexanFan02 said:
Why wouldn't the cartel just kidnap Walt? Then they get the chemist. I'm guessing Gus has him watched.
That would funny if they kidnapped the wrong Walter White and nabbed Jr. instead. Pan to the poor kid getting tortured b/c he says he can't cook.
Some around here would enjoy that scene. :lmao:
:unsure:
Cartel guy: Don't try to pull that Keyser Soze ##### on me Walter White. I know you're not a retaard.Walt Jr: {Chewbacca roar}
 
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As for Jesse's character I wouldn't be surprised if Gilligan was looking for someone who was a sort of Slim Shady type guy then develop his character through the years.
How surprised would you be to learn that the original plan was to
at all?You can also see A.P.'s audition tape on the sidebar to the right.

 

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