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Breaking Bad on AMC (2 Viewers)

jwp said:
Why did Walt tell the locksmith the old keys need to work? I didn't get that either.
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Come onHe wanted the house cleaned so he didn't have to tell Skyler what happened.

If they put new locks in, he'd have to come up with an explanation.

 
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Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keepsake getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
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He was completely right though

 
Jesse is the good guy in this show. Hes been manipulated to hell and back by everybody and last night was his redemption moment and he finally took control. Everyone is rooting for jesse imo. He may not be good in the true sense of the word (he did kill gale, deals drugs, etc) but hes the one everyone is rooting for now

 
shadyridr said:
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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so hes gonna tell hank his plan is to go after hanks family? Or the same jesse who actually has a conscience this entire series? No way
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I assume that Jesse isn't taking Hank along for what he has in store. I also think he's past having a conscience about Mr White. But I'm totally happy to be wrong. Just enjoying the ride.

 
jwp said:
shadyridr said:
jwp said:
Ok I didn't remember the door got kicked in.
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you think jesse used his key?
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Haha no. I watched 5 1/2 seasons in 3 weeks. Guess I'm not used to waiting a week and forget things.
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They showed the door jamb splintering into pieces when Jesse kicked it in when they showed the incident from Jesse's perspective about 20 minutes into the episode. He's sitting in the car, he puts the CD on the dash, then he kicks in the door and the wood goes everywhere. Of course someone's going to have to do some repair work on the door, and the guy figured he should change the locks, too. But Walt told him to keep the same locks so he could hide what happened from Skyler & Flynn.

JESUS PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION.

 
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bentley said:
shadyridr said:
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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so hes gonna tell hank his plan is to go after hanks family? Or the same jesse who actually has a conscience this entire series? No way
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I assume that Jesse isn't taking Hank along for what he has in store. I also think he's past having a conscience about Mr White. But I'm totally happy to be wrong. Just enjoying the ride.
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As many have noted, the show's final showdown isn't between Hank and Walt, it's between Jesse and Walt. The last episode might not have had a WTF climax, but it officially revealed the beginning of what will become the ending.

 
shadyridr said:
Jesse is the good guy in this show. Hes been manipulated to hell and back by everybody and last night was his redemption moment and he finally took control. Everyone is rooting for jesse imo. He may not be good in the true sense of the word (he did kill gale, deals drugs, etc) but hes the one everyone is rooting for now
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I was rooting for Jesse to disappear, but not otherwise. He should have gotten in the van.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
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The only two "Good" characters left are Flynn and Holly. And it is still my gut feeling that they both get caught in the crossfire and die a needless death
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I agree completely.

 
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
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Jesse may be a fan favorite but he's still amurdering junkie meth cook drug empire co-founder. Certainly Hank is acting above the law but he's still just trying to take down the biggest drug empire in NM, and Jesse is half of it. Jesse is responsible just as much as Walt, in addition to being 100% responsible for killing Gale (which he presumably confessed to), so using him as bait isn't all that bad. The whole show is about the grey areas between right and wrong and Hank is still very white on the scale. Just as Jesse is still way on the dark side.
 
mad sweeney said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
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Jesse may be a fan favorite but he's still amurdering junkie meth cook drug empire co-founder. Certainly Hank is acting above the law but he's still just trying to take down the biggest drug empire in NM, and Jesse is half of it. Jesse is responsible just as much as Walt, in addition to being 100% responsible for killing Gale (which he presumably confessed to), so using him as bait isn't all that bad. The whole show is about the grey areas between right and wrong and Hank is still very white on the scale. Just as Jesse is still way on the dark side.
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Just because someone previously worked as a meth cook does mean that it is ethical to send them into a potential deadly trap with zero concern for their safety. Gomez rightly raised his concerns about Jesse to Hank, which Hank dismissed out of hand suggesting that Jesse was nothing more than a "meth junkie" for whom he was willing to sacrifice his life in order to achieve his ultimate goal of catching Walt. In that way, both Walt and Hank have essentially come to the same moral conclusion -- that they are willing to manipulate and ultimately sacrifice the life of Jesse to achieve their own goals. If you really think still that Hank is a good guy on the white side of the scale, I think you are missing out on a key point that the Breaking Bad writers were trying to make in that scene.

 
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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Because Hank would be ok with that.

 
I was wondering if Jesse actually confessed to Gale's murder on the video Hank made. It sounded like he gave up everything (hence, Hank knowing about Walt running over the drug dealers, the ricin, etc.), but did he confess to the murder??

 
Ghost Rider said:
I was wondering if Jesse actually confessed to Gale's murder on the video Hank made. It sounded like he gave up everything (hence, Hank knowing about Walt running over the drug dealers, the ricin, etc.), but did he confess to the murder??
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Hank referred to him as a "junkie murderer" afterwords so I think he probably did.

 
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Buckfast 1 said:
mad sweeney said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
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Jesse may be a fan favorite but he's still amurdering junkie meth cook drug empire co-founder. Certainly Hank is acting above the law but he's still just trying to take down the biggest drug empire in NM, and Jesse is half of it. Jesse is responsible just as much as Walt, in addition to being 100% responsible for killing Gale (which he presumably confessed to), so using him as bait isn't all that bad. The whole show is about the grey areas between right and wrong and Hank is still very white on the scale. Just as Jesse is still way on the dark side.
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Just because someone previously worked as a meth cook does mean that it is ethical to send them into a potential deadly trap with zero concern for their safety. Gomez rightly raised his concerns about Jesse to Hank, which Hank dismissed out of hand suggesting that Jesse was nothing more than a "meth junkie" for whom he was willing to sacrifice his life in order to achieve his ultimate goal of catching Walt. In that way, both Walt and Hank have essentially come to the same moral conclusion -- that they are willing to manipulate and ultimately sacrifice the life of Jesse to achieve their own goals. If you really think still that Hank is a good guy on the white side of the scale, I think you are missing out on a key point that the Breaking Bad writers were trying to make in that scene.
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I get that Hank is acting above the law, hence why I wrote it, but Jesse is far more than just a "meth junkie". The moral conclusion that Hank has drawn is far, far different than Walt's. In fact, you can easily say that their moral conclusions are exactly opposite. As I wrote, which you apparently just dismissed most of, the show is about shades of grey. Walt is almost black. Hank is sullied a little but is still well on the white side of the scale. He's trying to take down the two most dangerous drug empire architects in the state, but he's a bad guy because he's willing to sacrifice a murderous junkie drug dealer (who despite being well liked by the audience is still well past charcoal on the scale)? Not buying it. Hank is trying to stop it, by definition that makes him a good guy.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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Because Hank would be ok with that.
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He's a bad guy now, didn't you hear? He'll probably use Flynn and Holly as bait next because he's morally as bad as Walt now.

 
Hank showed his true colors when he let his thief wife continue to shoplift and give stolen goods away as gifts. He's crooked too.

 
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Buckfast 1 said:
mad sweeney said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
Click to expand...
Jesse may be a fan favorite but he's still amurdering junkie meth cook drug empire co-founder. Certainly Hank is acting above the law but he's still just trying to take down the biggest drug empire in NM, and Jesse is half of it. Jesse is responsible just as much as Walt, in addition to being 100% responsible for killing Gale (which he presumably confessed to), so using him as bait isn't all that bad. The whole show is about the grey areas between right and wrong and Hank is still very white on the scale. Just as Jesse is still way on the dark side.
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Just because someone previously worked as a meth cook does mean that it is ethical to send them into a potential deadly trap with zero concern for their safety. Gomez rightly raised his concerns about Jesse to Hank, which Hank dismissed out of hand suggesting that Jesse was nothing more than a "meth junkie" for whom he was willing to sacrifice his life in order to achieve his ultimate goal of catching Walt. In that way, both Walt and Hank have essentially come to the same moral conclusion -- that they are willing to manipulate and ultimately sacrifice the life of Jesse to achieve their own goals. If you really think still that Hank is a good guy on the white side of the scale, I think you are missing out on a key point that the Breaking Bad writers were trying to make in that scene.
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Getting Walter might be Hanks White Whale......but I don't think Hank did anything different than any other (in the genre) cop would have done. There are risks in sending in someone with a wire. Hank acknowledged the risks. His fliipancy might have been a result of his history with Pinkman,

 
Abraham said:
Hitting him where he really lives is a reference to one of three things:

1. The money - Jesse doesn't know where it is.

2. The family - no way hank goes along with it and considering Jesse is upset about the Brock thing still, i doubt this is what he's thinking.

3. His ego / power of Heisenberg. Only thing that makes sense and the only reason for any of the Declan / Todd stuff this year.

He's either going to tell the white guys that Walt flipped (which I doubt because that puts his family in danger as well) or he's going to appeal to walts ego somehow in an effort to get Walt killed.
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Didn't Walt tell Jesse the name (Gray Matter Technologies) of the billion dollar company he helped found, and how he gave it all away for a few months' rent? This could all be brought full circle if Jesse brings the company in... somehow? Ego? "Empire"? Full circle?

It's never been disclosed what the circumstances were to how Walt ultimately left.

Gretchen: "Let me just get this straight: Elliott and I offered to pay for your treatment, no strings attached - an offer which still stands by the way - and you turn us down out of pride, whatever. And then you tell your wife that in fact we are paying for your treatment. Without our knowledge, against our will, you involve us in your lie, and you sit here and tell me that that is none of my business?"

Walter: "Yeah. That's pretty much the size of it."

Jesse knows this is where Walt "lives".

Just spitballin' here... no idea how the other owners could get involved... :shrug:

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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Because Hank would be ok with that.
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Again, I'm assuming that Jesse's plans don't involve being on Team Hank.

 
bentley said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
bentley said:
Ghost Rider said:
So, what is Jesse's "better way" of taking down Walt? Could it have something to do with Skyler? Jesse knows how unhappy Skyler is with the whole situation...see: the dinner scene, which was referred to last night (possible foreshadowing?), and how displeased she was that time they were dropping stuff off at the car wash. I wonder if there is a way Jesse thinks they can use that to take down Walt. Just spitballing here...
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Jesse spent so much time looking at family photos at Hanks that I have to assume that he's going directly after them.
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Because Hank would be ok with that.
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Again, I'm assuming that Jesse's plans don't involve being on Team Hank.
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then why would he get in his car and tell him his plans?
 
Buckfast 1 said:
mad sweeney said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Can last night's episode put to rest the idea that keeps getting thrown around here that Hank is somehow the one "good" character on the show?

Hank is so hell-bent on bringing down Walt that he sends Jesse into a situation that could get him killed with absolutely no concern for his safety. Hank is not a "good" character. Hank has elevated the pursuit of his goal of catching Walt above concern for other human life -- a parallel to Walt's own immorality in his affairs.
Click to expand...
Jesse may be a fan favorite but he's still amurdering junkie meth cook drug empire co-founder. Certainly Hank is acting above the law but he's still just trying to take down the biggest drug empire in NM, and Jesse is half of it. Jesse is responsible just as much as Walt, in addition to being 100% responsible for killing Gale (which he presumably confessed to), so using him as bait isn't all that bad. The whole show is about the grey areas between right and wrong and Hank is still very white on the scale. Just as Jesse is still way on the dark side.
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Just because someone previously worked as a meth cook does mean that it is ethical to send them into a potential deadly trap with zero concern for their safety. Gomez rightly raised his concerns about Jesse to Hank, which Hank dismissed out of hand suggesting that Jesse was nothing more than a "meth junkie" for whom he was willing to sacrifice his life in order to achieve his ultimate goal of catching Walt. In that way, both Walt and Hank have essentially come to the same moral conclusion -- that they are willing to manipulate and ultimately sacrifice the life of Jesse to achieve their own goals. If you really think still that Hank is a good guy on the white side of the scale, I think you are missing out on a key point that the Breaking Bad writers were trying to make in that scene.
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Walt's life would have been a lot easier had he been willing to sacrifice Jesse.

 
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