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[kupcho1]

He's already dying of cancer which is a painful, miserable, long and drawn out death. Ricin in comparison is quicker and could very well be his last resort right before being taken into custody by the DEA or by the Nazi's.

he didn't give himself cancer. that wasn't a choice he made.

Walt is a master chemist. You think he can't come up with a better way to commit suicide if that's what he wants to do?

He doesn't exactly have the resources for that anymore. He's a desperate man at this point. The ricin is for the scenario where he's taken into custody and has no other options to end it all.

I'm not master chemist, but I'd go with self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head or step in front of a truck over slow excruciating poison death.

How is he going to step in front of a truck or shoot himself in the head if he's taken into custody or captured? A vial of ricin is a lot easier to conceal.

I think he's going to get a barrel, fill it with acid and jump in. Talk about easy to conceal!

 

[mad sweeney]

He's already dying of cancer which is a painful, miserable, long and drawn out death. Ricin in comparison is quicker and could very well be his last resort right before being taken into custody by the DEA or by the Nazi's.

he didn't give himself cancer. that wasn't a choice he made.Walt is a master chemist. You think he can't come up with a better way to commit suicide if that's what he wants to do?

He doesn't exactly have the resources for that anymore. He's a desperate man at this point. The ricin is for the scenario where he's taken into custody and has no other options to end it all.

I'm not master chemist, but I'd go with self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head or step in front of a truck over slow excruciating poison death.

How is he going to step in front of a truck or shoot himself in the head if he's taken into custody or captured? A vial of ricin is a lot easier to conceal.

You didn't say he was in custody. Suicide by cop then. Regardless, if Walt kills himself with the ricin, I will be writing a sternly worded email to somebody. Probably start with shuke before forwarding to a Congressman.

I assume the cops would be trying to take the sick old man alive.

Tough to do if he's shooting at them.

Getting himself killed in a shootout with the cops is certainly doable, but there's also a pretty good shot they disarm him with a non-lethal shot too (which would be the their first goal if they can pull it off).

Maybe he won't be as lucky as Tuco, getting popped between the eyes with a pistol from 40 feet away.

Depends on if any of the cops were trained by Rick Grimes.

 

[mad sweeney]

Heisenberg in his prime never would have killed himself, but a dying Walt might.

I think Walt died in the phone call with his son. Heisenberg's been reborn but I think Walter White for all intents and purposes is dead. Walter White existed for his family. His family is gone now. There are no more ties to them he can muster up. Without them, Walter White ceases to exist.

But Heisenberg? That's a whole nother guy completely.

Walt was still in there somewhere at the Dennys.

 

[pollardsvision]

I really thought Todd was going to kill Skylar. Very tense scene.

Letting her live was pretty out of character for Todd. Niggling criticism, I know.

I'm not sure how smart that would have been

It would have brought extra scrutiny on a potential blue meth pipeline into Europe

outside of Hank, I'm not sure any feds knew of Andrea's connection to Pinkman...

I thought it was out of character too.

She's a huge loose end and it might even be more likely she'd rat now than before. For her not to rat, she'd have to trust Todd never changes his mind. Reasonable given how unlikely/maybe dumb Todd's original decision was.

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

Not sure that any Pinkman connection matters in the eyes of Todd. That's a loose end that's being dealt with.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't think the machine gun is for the Nazis. I don't know what it's for, but I think that's less likely each week.

Who would it be for then? They killed Hank, that was the final straw that ruined his life as he knew it. It was the final nail that killed any chance at keeping his family together. In his mind at least, it was over long before then but his megalomania let him think he could fix it. They took his money, the only thing he cares about - tangible evidence of his empire. He may have severed his fatherly feelings towards Jesse, but there may be some idea of redemption by saving him, or he may be in kill-mode and want to take out the only other person that can make the blue. The top 4-5 reasons to get an M60 all point to the Nazis.

Considering Walt has never fired an M60, has no idea how to fire one, and has no chance of successfully gunning down a group of trained killers, I don't think the top reason to get one points to the Nazis.

Iirc, there was an instruction manual.

Also, YouTube videos.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

didn't Hanak and Gomey have another agent guarding Huell?

if so, then after Hanka nd Gomey disappear, I'm sure he got squeezed for what he knew, so Saul definitely needed to run.

Wondering what happened to Kuby...

I doubt it.

Hank said they did, but not everything Hank told Huell was, technically, 100% accurate.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I really thought Todd was going to kill Skylar. Very tense scene.

Letting her live was pretty out of character for Todd. Niggling criticism, I know.

If there's any kind of criticism that Todd and the rest of the Nazis hate, it's niggling criticism.

 

[packersfan]

didn't Hanak and Gomey have another agent guarding Huell?

if so, then after Hanka nd Gomey disappear, I'm sure he got squeezed for what he knew, so Saul definitely needed to run.

Wondering what happened to Kuby...

I doubt it.

Hank said they did, but not everything Hank told Huell was, technically, 100% accurate.

There was another cop there. Hank and Gomey talked about that before they went to see Huell. Hank asked if the cop thought anything was odd about what they were asking him to do. Gomey said probably but he's also smart enough not to ask any questions about it.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't think the machine gun is for the Nazis. I don't know what it's for, but I think that's less likely each week.

Who would it be for then? They killed Hank, that was the final straw that ruined his life as he knew it. It was the final nail that killed any chance at keeping his family together. In his mind at least, it was over long before then but his megalomania let him think he could fix it. They took his money, the only thing he cares about - tangible evidence of his empire. He may have severed his fatherly feelings towards Jesse, but there may be some idea of redemption by saving him, or he may be in kill-mode and want to take out the only other person that can make the blue. The top 4-5 reasons to get an M60 all point to the Nazis.

Considering Walt has never fired an M60, has no idea how to fire one, and has no chance of successfully gunning down a group of trained killers, I don't think the top reason to get one points to the Nazis.

Iirc, there was an instruction manual.

Also, YouTube videos.

If he does that, then I'd expect the tightly whiteys to make another appearance. All the YouTube videos I've seen of machine guns had chicks in bikinis firing them.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

Right. Now, if there is surveillance video at the carwash, they can ID her. I'm sure the DEA people will recall her from the Madrigal investigation.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

Right. Now, if there is surveillance video at the carwash, they can ID her. I'm sure the DEA people will recall her from the Madrigal investigation.

I don't think the Whites would keep video evidence of a criminal ####### conspiracy. They're not Aaron Hernandez.

 

[pollardsvision]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

The DEA is familiar with her. She was the chick leading the way every time they arrested someone at Madrigal or the one noticing the trackers on the methylamine barrels.

Vague as that description is, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which cute, petite brunette Sklyer saw that day.

Whether anything came of it isn't really the point, Lydia was certainly fearful that Skyler being alive and motivated to give her up was bad for her

Are you saying Gilligan wasted about 20 minutes of our time last night?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

Right. Now, if there is surveillance video at the carwash, they can ID her. I'm sure the DEA people will recall her from the Madrigal investigation.

I don't think a money laundering business with owners that run a large crystal meth manufacturing and distribution network would really want surveillance cameras on site.

 

[The Duff Man]

Shows picture...is this the woman?

Winner!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

Right. Now, if there is surveillance video at the carwash, they can ID her. I'm sure the DEA people will recall her from the Madrigal investigation.

I don't think a money laundering business with owners that run a large crystal meth manufacturing and distribution network would really want surveillance cameras on site.

I'm not saying there is a camera, but that that would be the way to make the connection. Otherwise, its a very vague description.

 

[pollardsvision]

Shows picture...is this the woman?

Winner!

Yeah, getting to the picture is the tough part and certainly doable.

Sketch from Skyler's description. Then it just needs to occur to someone that the place to find this very professional looking woman might just be at the international corporation that's been intermingled with this all along.

You got a warehouse guy busted (then murdered in prison) and a company exec that killed himself before being answering questions. Looking for someone between the two isn't a huge stretch.

 

[bagger]

ricin for the grey matter people.

m60 for nazis.

 

[Apple Jack]

She now has a choice to live in fear everyday of Todd coming back, or rat out Lydia in exchange for immunity and witness protection.

"There's a person who I think is involved somehow, though I'm not sure how. I don't know her name, but she's caucasian, average height, average build, and fairly attractive if you like brunettes. She drives a rental car. Hope that helps."

Right. Now, if there is surveillance video at the carwash, they can ID her. I'm sure the DEA people will recall her from the Madrigal investigation.

I don't think the Whites would keep video evidence of a criminal ####### conspiracy. They're not Aaron Hernandez.

Seconded.

 

[Scoresman]

ricin for the grey matter people.

m60 for nazis.

how is a wanted criminal going to get access to the grey matter people who are billionaires. This would be like bin laden trying to get access to Bill Gates to poison his food. They aren't just going to sit down for a drink with Walt.

 

[Mister CIA]

As far as Lydia goes, Todd did not not destroy the disk containing Jesse's confessions. She is far from being in the clear.

 

[Apple Jack]

ricin for the grey matter people.

m60 for nazis.

how is a wanted criminal going to get access to the grey matter people who are billionaires. This would be like bin laden trying to get access to Bill Gates to poison his food. They aren't just going to sit down for a drink with Walt.

It would?

 

[Scoresman]

ricin for the grey matter people.

m60 for nazis.

how is a wanted criminal going to get access to the grey matter people who are billionaires. This would be like bin laden trying to get access to Bill Gates to poison his food. They aren't just going to sit down for a drink with Walt.

It would?

Yes?

 

[Mister CIA]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

 

[TheAristocrat]

I liked the episode. Not as great as the previous two but setting the table for one wild ride on Sunday.

I really hope that Jesse dies just so that all that suffering can come to an end. Todd shooting Andrea was so cold. Reminded me of the same feeling I had when Walt watched Jane die.

 

[Scoresman]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

The Schwartz' role in the story is complete. Their presence in the last episode was simply to get Walt motivated to go back to ABQ to make sure another of Walt's endeavors is not stolen and profited from by someone else.

 

[bigmarc27]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

In the course of 75 minutes, you think Walt will get in touch with the Schwartzs', convince the multi-millionaires (billionaires?) to launder drug money, and also explain that they need to take care of someone's kid whose mother was killed and was the ex-gf of his ex-meth making partner?

 

[Don Quixote]

It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.

I think the timelines were out of wack. Walt was obviously at the vacuum cleaners a few days already before Saul showed up, but it appeared Marie was going home the same day (morning after?) as Walt's call. Plus, how long was Jesse beaten for? Was that the same day as when Hank was killed? It really doesn't matter though.

 

[RUSF18]

It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.

Your timeline is off. The Nazis broke into the house before Hank and Gomey were even confirmed to be dead. The surveillance of the White house came much later on.

 

[Rove!]

the ricin is for himself because he doesn't want to be taken into custody.

it's amazing that the worst prediction in this thread gets repeated hundreds of times.

Harwick seemed to like that prediction on last night's Talking Bad...

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

I don't understand why everyone thinks Walt will kill himself before being arrested. We have seen him try to turn himself in twice in the last three episodes. First, when Hank and Gomez follow him to his money he has a gun in his hand. He could have tuned around and pointed it at Hank and Hank would have killed him. Then lady night, he called the police so they could come and get him before he changed his mind after seeing Elliot and Gretchen talk about him. He isn't afraid of being caught. He is afraid of being trivialized.

Right now, his legacy is Heisenberg and the blue meth. Much like what happend with Grey Matter, someone else is using something he created and profiting from it. He heard that the blue is still out there and still getting to Europe. He figured that either Jessie is still alive or that Todd figured out how to cook and he is going back to NM to make sure that no one else lives off his legacy.

He is going to stop the Nazi meth operation. Maybe he will use the machine gun. Maybe the machine gun is a red herring. Maybe he let someone see him at his old house because he knows the heat is on him. Maybe he wants to lead the Feds to the Nazi setup and he can use the idea of being forced to cook the same way the Jessie is being forced to put it all on the Nazi's like they were in charge. Aren't they the ones in possession of the money? If he led them to where Hank and Gomez are buried wouldn't I be their guns who would match ballistics?

Just throwing stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks....

 

[Don Quixote]

It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.

Your timeline is off. The Nazis broke into the house before Hank and Gomey were even confirmed to be dead. The surveillance of the White house came much later on.

I don't think that is necessarily the case. They had to beat the information out of Jesse first. I could see it all happening around same time. And a bunch of Nazis pulling up in pickup trucks in daylight in that neighborhood would have separately raised suspicions from neighbors, so I would guess middle of the night.

Regardless, it looked like they were driving Marie home the morning after, and no one from DEA or ABQ PD had even bothered to give the house a drive-by before that.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

the ricin is for himself because he doesn't want to be taken into custody.

it's amazing that the worst prediction in this thread gets repeated hundreds of times.

Harwick seemed to like that prediction on last night's Talking Bad...

yeah. I cringed when he had that reaction. I think it's easy to forget exactly how ricin works.

 

[Scoresman]

the ricin is for himself because he doesn't want to be taken into custody.

it's amazing that the worst prediction in this thread gets repeated hundreds of times.

Harwick seemed to like that prediction on last night's Talking Bad...

yeah. I cringed when he had that reaction. I think it's easy to forget exactly how ricin works.

except its over in 24-48 hours. cancer can leave you suffering for months.

 

[Abraham]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

In the course of 75 minutes, you think Walt will get in touch with the Schwartzs', convince the multi-millionaires (billionaires?) to launder drug money, and also explain that they need to take care of someone's kid whose mother was killed and was the ex-gf of his ex-meth making partner?

Weren't they on TV promoting a new charity program for countering drug addiction? He could give the cash to them as an anonymous donation I suppose. So he takes the gun to get his barrels of money and then makes a donation to the charity.

 

[TobiasFunke]

the ricin is for himself because he doesn't want to be taken into custody.

it's amazing that the worst prediction in this thread gets repeated hundreds of times.

Harwick seemed to like that prediction on last night's Talking Bad...

yeah. I cringed when he had that reaction. I think it's easy to forget exactly how ricin works.

except its over in 24-48 hours. cancer can leave you suffering for months.

If only there were more than two ways to end human life. Then Walt could find a way out of this Ricin vs. Cancer predicament!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

except its over in 24-48 hours. cancer can leave you suffering for months.

if he could take a pill that would give him cancer, it would be dumb to think he'd kill himself that way too.

 

[Peyton Marino]

ricin for the grey matter people.

m60 for nazis.

how is a wanted criminal going to get access to the grey matter people who are billionaires. This would be like bin laden trying to get access to Bill Gates to poison his food. They aren't just going to sit down for a drink with Walt.

It would?

Yes?

No.

 

[Scoresman]

except its over in 24-48 hours. cancer can leave you suffering for months.

if he could take a pill that would give him cancer, it would be dumb to think he'd kill himself that way too.

the theory of walt taking the ricin himself is predicated on there being no other alternative other than being captured and dying even slower of cancer. comparing it to a situation where walt doesn't have cancer has no relevance.

 

[Apple Jack]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

In the course of 75 minutes, you think Walt will get in touch with the Schwartzs', convince the multi-millionaires (billionaires?) to launder drug money, and also explain that they need to take care of someone's kid whose mother was killed and was the ex-gf of his ex-meth making partner?

And then bypass tried and true swift suicide methods to kill himself via a slow torturous poisoning. I think we've got it. Let's eat!

 

[whoknew]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

In the course of 75 minutes, you think Walt will get in touch with the Schwartzs', convince the multi-millionaires (billionaires?) to launder drug money, and also explain that they need to take care of someone's kid whose mother was killed and was the ex-gf of his ex-meth making partner?

Weren't they on TV promoting a new charity program for countering drug addiction? He could give the cash to them as an anonymous donation I suppose. So he takes the gun to get his barrels of money and then makes a donation to the charity.

That would be a happy-ish ending for Holly and Brock. It ain't happening.

Nobody is getting a happy ending. Except maybe the Nazis. Which would be an unhappy ending for everyone else.

 

[Apple Jack]

Just curious...how does Brock end up on the Schwartz's radar?

 

[Sarnoff]

Maybe the machine gun is for himself. Put the barrel in his mouth and his toe on the trigger. No better way to be sure you do the job right than to obliterate your skull.

 

[Phinneas Q. Butterfat]

So Walt just bailed with the $100K or so in the package and left the rest in the cabin, right?

6 years of television and 14,000 posts in this thread have all been elaborate setup for a Scupper reference.

Just go ahead and roll the credits now.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.

 

[Premier]

Does Walt even know where the meth nazi compound is? I guess that's an easy plot point to gloss over, but it seems like he has a lot in front of him.

 

[Rove!]

I believe that the Schwartz's role in the finale will be to launder the cash and see to it that Holly and Brock are taken care of.

In the course of 75 minutes, you think Walt will get in touch with the Schwartzs', convince the multi-millionaires (billionaires?) to launder drug money, and also explain that they need to take care of someone's kid whose mother was killed and was the ex-gf of his ex-meth making partner?

Weren't they on TV promoting a new charity program for countering drug addiction? He could give the cash to them as an anonymous donation I suppose. So he takes the gun to get his barrels of money and then makes a donation to the charity.

He could get them the cash in exchange for repairing what's left of his legacy and getting Jr and Holly shares of Gray Matters...I don't know if he can recover from his resentment enough to do that

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.

Or else you'll have to sit through one more episode about it?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.

While I sort of agree, IIRC, Jesse stopped dating her because of her ties to the kid who killed Combo, but he still cared for and still took care of her by giving her money and whatnot, so it is understandable what impact she has had on him, especially given his love for kids.