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I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.
Or else you'll have to sit through one more episode about it?
yep. with 50 minutes of show left I'd rather none of it be wasted on him when there's so much more I'd rather they focus on.
 
I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.
Or else you'll have to sit through one more episode about it?
yep. with 50 minutes of show left I'd rather none of it be wasted on him when there's so much more I'd rather they focus on.
Avoiding Injuries on the left, Breaking Bad writing team on right.

 
At this point, the police and DEA have nothing. Any recording of Walt's call to Jesse would have had to been in Hank's car, it also should be inadmissible. Jesse's confession is worthless without him appearing in court. They've got no physical evidence. He admitted to nothing in his call to Skylar. Its not even like he broke a custody agreement when he took Holly. About the only thing they could get him on right now would be domestic abuse/assault on Skylar. But that falls apart unless Walt Jr perjures himself.

BTW, still rooting for Walt.
:confused: They have him saying on the phone call to his wife that he killed a DEA agent.
that's implied. I thought Walt was going to tell sky he had only $11m in the barrel and hank had the rest and took off. I feel like Heisenberg would have said that, but he was already on his way out of Walt.Maybe the ricin is for Elliot and Gretchen.
...or just for Elliot and he has something else for Gretchen
You know what's terrible/funny? If the gun ends up being for him to stand in front of Grey Matter and shoot it all to hell I won't be the least bit surprised.
This actually makes some sense, given that Grey Matter is within ABQ city limits.
Doesn't really matter. The guy he knows that sells machine guns is there as is his ricin. His car is probably able to transport him out of ABQ if need be.
The guy who sells him the gun wants assurances that it won't cross borders, and Walt tells him it won't even leave town. He doesn't have any incentive to fib that detail.

We still don't know why he bailed on Gretchen yet, do we?
Sure he does. If he's going to cross borders is he going to tell the truth and jeopardize the sale? He probably isn't, but why wouldn't he if he needed to?I doubt Gray Matter comes up again. It served its purpose as a motive for his empire building mania. It wasn't clearly laid out, but so much that happens isn't clearly laid out for us on this show as it usually is. There was a love triangle and Walt lost. As a result he watched a mountain of money pile up that he could've been a part of and it's eaten at his ego for years.
Good call Abe. :goodposting:

I thought it was a fascinating episode. The whole Grey Matter fallout is the kernel of the show. Without that, none of this ever happens.

The Jesse storyline was some depressing stuff.
the episode description on the channel guide went something along the lines of "things from the past lay the foundation for the future."

 
anyone post this from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium:

When King Lear dies in Act V, do you know what Shakespeare has written? He's written "He dies." That's all, nothing more. No fanfare, no metaphor, no brilliant final words. The culmination of the most influential work of dramatic literature is "He dies." It takes Shakespeare, a genius, to come up with "He dies." And yet every time I read those two words, I find myself overwhelmed with dysphoria. And I know it's only natural to be sad, but not because of the words "He dies." but because of the life we saw prior to the words.
I believe there is going to be far less killing than anyone really suspects.

 
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anyone post this from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium:

When King Lear dies in Act V, do you know what Shakespeare has written? He's written "He dies." That's all, nothing more. No fanfare, no metaphor, no brilliant final words. The culmination of the most influential work of dramatic literature is "He dies." It takes Shakespeare, a genius, to come up with "He dies." And yet every time I read those two words, I find myself overwhelmed with dysphoria. And I know it's only natural to be sad, but not because of the words "He dies." but because of the life we saw prior to the words.
I believe there is going to be far less killing than anyone really suspects.
This could also be a jab at Walt and his then current situation. Dying alone in a cabin after.

 
anyone post this from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium:

When King Lear dies in Act V, do you know what Shakespeare has written? He's written "He dies." That's all, nothing more. No fanfare, no metaphor, no brilliant final words. The culmination of the most influential work of dramatic literature is "He dies." It takes Shakespeare, a genius, to come up with "He dies." And yet every time I read those two words, I find myself overwhelmed with dysphoria. And I know it's only natural to be sad, but not because of the words "He dies." but because of the life we saw prior to the words.
I believe there is going to be far less killing than anyone really suspects.
I agree. The Scarface references and preview of the gun purchase have set expectations for bloodshed much higher than the rest of the plot would indicate.

Ultimate dark ending: Jessie dies and Walt becomes the slave-cook?

 
I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.
And the most important thing in the storyline that happened to him they choose not to show.

 
I am really tired of the Brock storyline. Jesse dated his mom for what seemed like a few weeks and since then he has influenced just about every decision Jesse has made up until this point.

I hope his mom dying ends that part of the story.
Or else you'll have to sit through one more episode about it?
yep. with 50 minutes of show left I'd rather none of it be wasted on him when there's so much more I'd rather they focus on.
The "Brock storyline" has been about Jesse, not Brock. He is completely cut adrift, disowned by his family, trail of dead friends and loved ones, epic destruction behind him, no religion, no sense of purpose, etc. The connection to Brock and Andrea was the only thing left that gave him any sense of humanity and is a significant part of making him a sympathetic figure. And one of the most interesting characters in the TV history, imo. The killing of Andrea was the most brutal moment to date on the show.

 
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The more I think about it the more I think Walt is going to end up taking care of his family via gray matter. Like he gets his money from the nazis, buys a bunch of gray matter stock, and makes a big donation that sends the price way up for skyler and Flynn and Holly's benefit. Or he shows gray matter a new chemistry breakthrough involving meth or ricin or something and gives it to them in exchange for taking care of his family.

He will find a way to destroy the meth empire so no one else can have it and leverage the empire he feels was rightfully his to take care of everyone.

 
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my prediction re: the end: ;)

Walt, seeking long overdue respect from his former Grey Matter partners, breaks in and holds Elliot and Gretchen at gunpoint. He extracts a unknowing confession from Elliot that proves that he contributed more than just the name, and he now is entitled to 1/2 of Grey Matter. He had overlooked this little detail in his ego driven rage-quit years back. His family is now set. As he is standing there holding the key to his family's security and happiness, legions of law enforcement close in around him. He contemplates shooting Elliot in the face and using the ricin in his pocket to end it all, but before he can pop the vial into his mouth, he begins to hack, passes out and dies.

:moneybag:
 
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The more I think about it the more I think Walt is going to end up taking care of his family via gray matter. Like he gets his money from the nazis, buys a bunch of gray matter stock, and makes a big donation that sends the price way up for skyler and Flynn and Holly's benefit. Or he shows gray matter a new chemistry breakthrough involving meth or ricin or something and gives it to them in exchange for taking care of his family.

He will find a way to destroy the meth empire so no one else can have it and leverage the empire he feels was rightfully his to take care of everyone.
combine that last part with mine prediction and we have a winner ;)

 
It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.
Your timeline is off. The Nazis broke into the house before Hank and Gomey were even confirmed to be dead. The surveillance of the White house came much later on.
:goodposting:

 
I can't remember where I read it, but Vince Gilligan said that the finale would come off as a victory of sorts for Walter, although it might not be perceived that way by some.

 
It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.
Your timeline is off. The Nazis broke into the house before Hank and Gomey were even confirmed to be dead. The surveillance of the White house came much later on.
I don't think that is necessarily the case. They had to beat the information out of Jesse first. I could see it all happening around same time. And a bunch of Nazis pulling up in pickup trucks in daylight in that neighborhood would have separately raised suspicions from neighbors, so I would guess middle of the night.

Regardless, it looked like they were driving Marie home the morning after, and no one from DEA or ABQ PD had even bothered to give the house a drive-by before that.
these were the same Nazis that orchestrated the mass jail killings in a few minutes. They're not stupid.

 
I don't understand why everyone thinks Walt will kill himself before being arrested. We have seen him try to turn himself in twice in the last three episodes. First, when Hank and Gomez follow him to his money he has a gun in his hand. He could have tuned around and pointed it at Hank and Hank would have killed him. Then lady night, he called the police so they could come and get him before he changed his mind after seeing Elliot and Gretchen talk about him. He isn't afraid of being caught. He is afraid of being trivialized.

Right now, his legacy is Heisenberg and the blue meth. Much like what happend with Grey Matter, someone else is using something he created and profiting from it. He heard that the blue is still out there and still getting to Europe. He figured that either Jessie is still alive or that Todd figured out how to cook and he is going back to NM to make sure that no one else lives off his legacy.

He is going to stop the Nazi meth operation. Maybe he will use the machine gun. Maybe the machine gun is a red herring. Maybe he let someone see him at his old house because he knows the heat is on him. Maybe he wants to lead the Feds to the Nazi setup and he can use the idea of being forced to cook the same way the Jessie is being forced to put it all on the Nazi's like they were in charge. Aren't they the ones in possession of the money? If he led them to where Hank and Gomez are buried wouldn't I be their guns who would match ballistics?

Just throwing stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks....
Interesting

 
Your predictin doesn't work becAuse he sold his third of gray matter to them fair and square.
YOU ARE FORGETTING THE LOOPHOLE HE FORGOT BECAUSE OF HIS EGO!~@~!@

;)

I know, I just think the "he only contributed to the name" isn't throwaway dialogue. betcha will somehow end up with a live stake in that company that could have avoided ALL of these events had he seen it through his ego.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, “We’re not Western Union, Todd. We can’t settle for you sending messages.” That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todd’s infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. He’s disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He won’t actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.

 
As far as Lydia goes, Todd did not not destroy the disk containing Jesse's confessions. She is far from being in the clear.
I have to re watch, but I got the impression those were the copies of WALT'S "confession" left behind not copies of what they recorded from Jesse. Remember Marie demanded "all the copies" and the uncles of Anarchy specifically went for jesses confession which they showed from the smashed camera.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.
True. If Walt somehow took out the Nazis, I could see him setting up a meeting with her and saying "I'm back in the game." And then dropping the ricin in her tea.

 
Just to get properly amped up for the finale, I'm going to watch Mr. Magoriums Wonder Emporium. Twice, from two different DVDs.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.
True. If Walt somehow took out the Nazis, I could see him setting up a meeting with her and saying "I'm back in the game." And then dropping the ricin in her tea.
She did speculate Walt was back when Todd mentioned the 96% purity and I don't think Todd fully explained how he got to that level of quality. For some reason on first watch I thought he said only 92% but then he says 96% later.

 
Just to get properly amped up for the finale, I'm going to watch Mr. Magoriums Wonder Emporium. Twice, from two different DVDs.
from rottentomatoes

The eccentric owner of a magical toy store surprises the shop's manager by turning over ownership to her in a warm-hearted comedy fantasy directed by Zach Helm and starring Jason Bateman, Dustin Hoffman, and Natalie Portman. Portman plays the manager of the store that seems to be a reflection of the people who run it, and Bateman stars as the detail-oriented accountant assigned the task of assessing the establishment's monetary value.

 
She did speculate Walt was back when Todd mentioned the 96% purity and I don't think Todd fully explained how he got to that level of quality. For some reason on first watch I thought he said only 92% but then he says 96% later.
he told her they had Pinkman.

he also was probably making up the purity numbers.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.
True. If Walt somehow took out the Nazis, I could see him setting up a meeting with her and saying "I'm back in the game." And then dropping the ricin in her tea.
She did speculate Walt was back when Todd mentioned the 96% purity and I don't think Todd fully explained how he got to that level of quality. For some reason on first watch I thought he said only 92% but then he says 96% later.
Two different batches; one was 92% and the other 96%. He told Lydia that he had Pinkman cooking with him.

 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.
True. If Walt somehow took out the Nazis, I could see him setting up a meeting with her and saying "I'm back in the game." And then dropping the ricin in her tea.
She did speculate Walt was back when Todd mentioned the 96% purity and I don't think Todd fully explained how he got to that level of quality. For some reason on first watch I thought he said only 92% but then he says 96% later.
I thought I heard 92 as well.
 
Good review from this site I enjoy:

http://crowdoffullpockets.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/tv-episode-review-breaking-bad-granite-state-05-15-2013/

Meanwhile, we finally got a good example of the cold cruelty of which Lydia is capable, as she nearly broke off her partnership with Todd in anger for Todd having decided to scare Skyler into submission instead of simply killing her, saying, Were not Western Union, Todd. We cant settle for you sending messages. That scene also was loaded with some brilliant detail emphasizing Todds infatuation with Lydia (Todd is drinking tea. Hes disappointed that she wants to sit facing opposite directions. He wont actually keep from looking at her.) and yet another instance of Lydia mentioning Stevia. It seems clear to me that the ricin is going to replace her Stevia, or else they have paid considerably for placement on the show.
I would agree that she remains the frontrunner for the ricin, but I can't figure out why Walt would care enough about her to do that. Maybe he does it to get back at Todd, but that would require a bunch of filler scenes.
She's the gateway to the European market for the blue meth.
True. If Walt somehow took out the Nazis, I could see him setting up a meeting with her and saying "I'm back in the game." And then dropping the ricin in her tea.
She did speculate Walt was back when Todd mentioned the 96% purity and I don't think Todd fully explained how he got to that level of quality. For some reason on first watch I thought he said only 92% but then he says 96% later.
I thought I heard 92 as well.
Or was that what he said to Jesse when he rewarded him with the ice cream...
 
anyone post this from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium:

When King Lear dies in Act V, do you know what Shakespeare has written? He's written "He dies." That's all, nothing more. No fanfare, no metaphor, no brilliant final words. The culmination of the most influential work of dramatic literature is "He dies." It takes Shakespeare, a genius, to come up with "He dies." And yet every time I read those two words, I find myself overwhelmed with dysphoria. And I know it's only natural to be sad, but not because of the words "He dies." but because of the life we saw prior to the words.
I believe there is going to be far less killing than anyone really suspects.
Hmm very interesting. I like it. If there is not a cold-blooded shootout with 5-10 deaths, twitter and this thread will explode.

But at this point, Walt is a beaten man. Perhaps he goes back to make it all happen, and fails, just as he failed to take care of his family.

Will Heisenberg rise one more time is the question, and again, it comes down to what ultimate message the writers want to send for Walt. Heisenberg the great drug lord or Walt White the pathetic loser who threw away his life.

 
Todd told Lydia 92% for the batch that was sealed and ready to go. She asked if Walt was cooking, he told her that Jesse was.

Todd told Jesse a batch was 96%. Not sure if it was the same batch though.

 
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After all this ricin bull####, I hope a suicidal Walt just walks into that ####ing cafe and shoots Lydia in the face.

 
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But at this point, Walt is a beaten man. Perhaps he goes back to make it all happen, and fails, just as he failed to take care of his family.

Will Heisenberg rise one more time is the question, and again, it comes down to what ultimate message the writers want to send for Walt. Heisenberg the great drug lord or Walt White the pathetic loser who threw away his life.
He's going to need to do it the way they child did: without the rope.

 
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I don't think the machine gun is for the Nazis. I don't know what it's for, but I think that's less likely each week.
Maybe it is to create a hostage situation where he can negotiate giving himself up to clear Skyler of any charges and possibly have their accounts unfrozen. He can also set the record straight regarding his role in Grey Matter, possibly dooming their company....

 
When Walt was talking to Jesse in his house about selling his half or something...what did Walt say to him? Did he say he's in the empire business and knows he already gave one away or something?

 

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