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One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
I think we will but that would be the reverse of The Sopranos which had an amazing second-to-last episode and then ... well we all know about the finale.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
What? Last night's episode was great. Epic crash?

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
It's one thing to have a terrible finale if you just don't have the ability to make a good one for whatever reason (lack of talent, story line presents obstacles, etc.). But they obviously could have just had Ozymandias as the finale and just inserted filler along the way to stretch things out a bit if they wanted, so we know that the ability to make a great finale wasn't an issue here. They chose not to do have that be the finale but to tell more of the story- since they were talented enough to make this show to date, I'm pretty comfortable that they won't suddenly botch a decision that badly.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
What? Last night's episode was great. Epic crash?
:lmao:

this thread is so weird.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
Huh?

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
It's one thing to have a terrible finale if you just don't have the ability to make a good one for whatever reason (lack of talent, story line presents obstacles, etc.). But they obviously could have just had Ozymandias as the finale and just inserted filler along the way to stretch things out a bit if they wanted, so we know that the ability to make a great finale wasn't an issue here. They chose not to do have that be the finale but to tell more of the story- since they were talented enough to make this show to date, I'm pretty comfortable that they won't suddenly botch a decision that badly.
Exactly. Ozymandias was really the finale of the story. The last two episodes of the series are telling the "what happens after/what is the fallout" angle that we never see once the credits roll at the end of a movie.

 
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One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
It's one thing to have a terrible finale if you just don't have the ability to make a good one for whatever reason (lack of talent, story line presents obstacles, etc.). But they obviously could have just had Ozymandias as the finale and just inserted filler along the way to stretch things out a bit if they wanted, so we know that the ability to make a great finale wasn't an issue here. They chose not to do have that be the finale but to tell more of the story- since they were talented enough to make this show to date, I'm pretty comfortable that they won't suddenly botch a decision that badly.
Exactly. Ozymandias was really the finale of the story. The last two episodes of the series are telling the "what happens after/what is the fallout" angle that we never see once the credits role at the end of a movie.
SFU did this brilliantly.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
What? Last night's episode was great. Epic crash?
I didn't say it was an epic crash. But it was clearly a bit of a setup episode. They introduced a new character, spent 25 minutes in the cabin, etc. I loved the episode, I really did. But if they don't come through in the finale, the last two episodes will generate a ton of heat for their lack of "action".

I don't think for a second that these writers will let that happen. This was too dark and depressing of an episode and I think they have something big in store.

But just look at this thread for proof. Many were a tad under-whelmed after everyone and their brother said that the previous episode was possibly the best one in the history of the show.

 
Many were a tad under-whelmed after everyone and their brother said that the previous episode was possibly the best one in the history of the show.
the show creater himself said last week's show was the best in the series. they aren't going to top that so anyone expecting them to is going to be disappointed.

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
What? Last night's episode was great. Epic crash?
I didn't say it was an epic crash. But it was clearly a bit of a setup episode. They introduced a new character, spent 25 minutes in the cabin, etc. I loved the episode, I really did. But if they don't come through in the finale, the last two episodes will generate a ton of heat for their lack of "action".

I don't think for a second that these writers will let that happen. This was too dark and depressing of an episode and I think they have something big in store.

But just look at this thread for proof. Many were a tad under-whelmed after everyone and their brother said that the previous episode was possibly the best one in the history of the show.
For the most part I agree but I thought last night's show wasnt that good :shrug:

 
One more thought...I know many of you will hate this, and I hate to even write it too...but while the last episode could be a great setup for a great finale....It could also be the first episode in a 2-episode epic crash. It's hard to imagine these writers allowing that to happen....But I'm just sayin'....This last episode only works if we get a home run in the finale.
It's one thing to have a terrible finale if you just don't have the ability to make a good one for whatever reason (lack of talent, story line presents obstacles, etc.). But they obviously could have just had Ozymandias as the finale and just inserted filler along the way to stretch things out a bit if they wanted, so we know that the ability to make a great finale wasn't an issue here. They chose not to do have that be the finale but to tell more of the story- since they were talented enough to make this show to date, I'm pretty comfortable that they won't suddenly botch a decision that badly.
Exactly. Ozymandias was really the finale of the story. The last two episodes of the series are telling the "what happens after/what is the fallout" angle that we never see once the credits role at the end of a movie.
:goodposting: :goodposting:

 
Wasn't it implied at some point that he just kind of half-assed the relationship with Gretchen and she moved on to Elliot, leaving Walt heartbroken, bitter, and the odd man out? I haven't rewatched much of the show, so my memory could be off on that.

 
I hope all you Grey Matter dreams come true:

"It was my hard work. My research. And you and Elliott made millions off it."

―Walt arguing with Gretchen about Gray Matter.[src]

Gray Matter Technologies was a company co-founded by Walter White with his friend Elliott Schwartz. The name came from a combination of the two's last names. Schwartz meaning black in German, combined with White made gray.

History

At this time, he was dating his female lab assistant, Gretchen ("...and the Bag's in the River"). For reasons not yet explained, Walter suddenly left Gretchen during a vacation with her family, leaving her and his research behind ("Peekaboo"). Gretchen eventually went on to marry Elliot instead and Gray Matter became a highly successful company using Walter's research. Walter secretly feels that his work was stolen from him and bitterly blames Elliott and Gretchen for his lot in life.

In 2008 the company was nominated for a Nobel Prize ("...and the Bag's in the River").

After leaving Gretchen, Walt sold his share of the company to Elliott for $5,000. As of 2010, Gray Matter has a net worth of 2.16 billion dollars. ("Buyout")

Impact

Walt tells Jesse about the company he and his two friends started, their big dreams, their understanding of the unlimited potential of ideas that hadnt yet germinated. Then, Walt says, something happened Im not going to go into detailfor personal reasons he took a buyout of his third of the business for $5,000. Now, Walt explains, the company is worth $2.16 billion. He checks the valuation every week, torturing himself about how cheaply he sold his potential and his "kids birthright.

Gray Matter is a large reason why, when Walt is given the opportunity to sell his share of the methylamine to a competitor and receive $5 million, he refuses to take the money and leave the meth business. Many reasons for this include Walt's insatiable lust for power, the hubris of believing hes smart enough to be untouchable, a disdain for anyone presuming to dictate the terms of his life. However, Walt has never gotten over the fact that he co-founded Gray Matter (now worth billions) as a young scientist and then left it. His need for recognition overpowers his more sympathetic drive to set his family up financially. As he tells Jesse of his deal with Declan: You asked me if I was in the meth business or the money business. Neither. Im in the empire business.

Walter believes what he hasnot just the physical resources of supplies and equipment he possesses, but more fundamentally, his native resources of intelligence and inventionis of infinite and absolute worth. He feels that he is not going to stop until hes been fairly compensated for them, which means hes never going to stop.
 
I just want to get one last glimpse of some purple. Sadly, I think they emptied that gun in the last episode. It's no coincidence that Gilligan considered that the best.

 
I hope all you Grey Matter dreams come true:

"It was my hard work. My research. And you and Elliott made millions off it."

―Walt arguing with Gretchen about Gray Matter.[src]

Gray Matter Technologies was a company co-founded by Walter White with his friend Elliott Schwartz. The name came from a combination of the two's last names. Schwartz meaning black in German, combined with White made gray.

History

At this time, he was dating his female lab assistant, Gretchen ("...and the Bag's in the River"). For reasons not yet explained, Walter suddenly left Gretchen during a vacation with her family, leaving her and his research behind ("Peekaboo"). Gretchen eventually went on to marry Elliot instead and Gray Matter became a highly successful company using Walter's research. Walter secretly feels that his work was stolen from him and bitterly blames Elliott and Gretchen for his lot in life.

In 2008 the company was nominated for a Nobel Prize ("...and the Bag's in the River").

After leaving Gretchen, Walt sold his share of the company to Elliott for $5,000. As of 2010, Gray Matter has a net worth of 2.16 billion dollars. ("Buyout")

Impact

Walt tells Jesse about the company he and his two friends started, their big dreams, their understanding of the unlimited potential of ideas that hadnt yet germinated. Then, Walt says, something happened Im not going to go into detailfor personal reasons he took a buyout of his third of the business for $5,000. Now, Walt explains, the company is worth $2.16 billion. He checks the valuation every week, torturing himself about how cheaply he sold his potential and his "kids birthright.

Gray Matter is a large reason why, when Walt is given the opportunity to sell his share of the methylamine to a competitor and receive $5 million, he refuses to take the money and leave the meth business. Many reasons for this include Walt's insatiable lust for power, the hubris of believing hes smart enough to be untouchable, a disdain for anyone presuming to dictate the terms of his life. However, Walt has never gotten over the fact that he co-founded Gray Matter (now worth billions) as a young scientist and then left it. His need for recognition overpowers his more sympathetic drive to set his family up financially. As he tells Jesse of his deal with Declan: You asked me if I was in the meth business or the money business. Neither. Im in the empire business.

Walter believes what he hasnot just the physical resources of supplies and equipment he possesses, but more fundamentally, his native resources of intelligence and inventionis of infinite and absolute worth. He feels that he is not going to stop until hes been fairly compensated for them, which means hes never going to stop.
Thanks for that. I forgot how much it actually meant to him and how much it was actually talked about. I remembered that epsiode as a throwaway episode.....and now it's obviously not so much. With his disposition to seem to want to blame others for his failures and shortcomings....you have to figure that he'll blame Gretchen and Elliot for his ultimate failure.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Don Quixote said:
RUSF18 said:
Don Quixote said:
It seemed pretty unrealistic for the DEA or ABQ PD not to have someone at Hank and Marie's house when the Nazis went through it. All of the incrinimating evidence is there, and the person incriminated is on the loose. Instead of having 20 agents at the White's house that night, you'd think they could spare one or two to secure the evidence.
Your timeline is off. The Nazis broke into the house before Hank and Gomey were even confirmed to be dead. The surveillance of the White house came much later on.
I don't think that is necessarily the case. They had to beat the information out of Jesse first. I could see it all happening around same time. And a bunch of Nazis pulling up in pickup trucks in daylight in that neighborhood would have separately raised suspicions from neighbors, so I would guess middle of the night.

Regardless, it looked like they were driving Marie home the morning after, and no one from DEA or ABQ PD had even bothered to give the house a drive-by before that.
these were the same Nazis that orchestrated the mass jail killings in a few minutes. They're not stupid.
Agreed that they are not stupid. But that's part of the reason why I was assuming that they would not have done it during the day in a residential neighborhood, and were able to do it without anyone noticing. The sun was still up when Walt Jr called the cops. Marie did not come over until after that. It's possible that Marie did not go home between going to the car wash and going to the White's house, but I still think the timeline puts it somewhere after that.

 
Apple Jack said:
Wasn't it implied at some point that he just kind of half-assed the relationship with Gretchen and she moved on to Elliot, leaving Walt heartbroken, bitter, and the odd man out? I haven't rewatched much of the show, so my memory could be off on that.
She made it clear that it was his choice to leave her. In the flashback she seemed pretty infatuated with him. A side-by-side comparison of what Walt looks like in the flashback with Sky when buying the house vs when he was with Gretchen at the chalkboard could help with the timeline. Did Walt knock Skyler up, so he left Gretchen? That would make it worse, albeit a bit cliche, if he gave up Gretchen and Gray Matter for Skyler and family but lost that family by trying to recreate the empire he had already lost.

 
The one thing, aside from the obvious, that I want them to clear up in the last episodes is what happened between Walt, Gretchen, and Wayne Kirkby? Why did he leave GreyMatter? Is there something in that storyline that might explain (more) about why he 'broke bad'?
That would be the worst possible direction for the show to take at this point. You can't be added some last minute justification/explanation. That might ruin everything that came before it. If they wanted to provide more background on Grey Matter they would have done so by now.
"The worst"? OK.
AHEM #2

 
The one thing, aside from the obvious, that I want them to clear up in the last episodes is what happened between Walt, Gretchen, and Wayne Kirkby? Why did he leave GreyMatter? Is there something in that storyline that might explain (more) about why he 'broke bad'?
That would be the worst possible direction for the show to take at this point. You can't be added some last minute justification/explanation. That might ruin everything that came before it. If they wanted to provide more background on Grey Matter they would have done so by now.
Walt went into more detail in grey matter just recently in season 5a with Jesse. It's quite clearly one of his main motivating forces for building an empire and not accepting their money for treatment in season 1-2. It wouldn't be new at all.
Is Breaking Bad ruined now?

 
Also Walt's call to Flynn in Granite State, his speech closely mirrors what he recorded on the video in the pilot: Things will be said about me/you'll find out things about me/just know that I did it all for you.

 
avoiding injuries said:
A lot of storylines to wrap up in 75 minutes including Low Winter Sun ads.

Do we see Marie again? Was that how they wrapped up Skylar and Flynn? A taxi operator and a kid who hates his dad. I'd guess Saul is gone. Lydia?

I did want to see the background on Gus, oh well.
Talking Bad is a full hour and will run immediately following Breaking Bad. No LWS this week?!?

 
Great episode to flesh out Todd a bit. Up until then he was mostly comic relief psycho guy for me. Since he'll likely play a big role in the finale it's good we got to see some more of him and he was awesome.

Hoping for Flynn to take up meth before this thing is over.

 
There's got to be one more cook and one more twist left. It'd be great if Walt could figure a way to bring down Lydia and Grey Matter in one shot, creating a connection between the two, but I doubt there's enough time to do that. Barring that, maybe he'll find a way to turn Lydia and the Nazis against each other, with Todd stuck in between.

 
Walt is taking down both Empires. Or trying to...

He can take down the Nazis just by getting a meeting with them, then arranging for the DEA to arrive. These guys dont look like the type to go down without a fight. I picture a call to the DEA, "you want to nail the guys who killed two agents?"

Maybe he alerts the media too....SAY MY NAME!

Beating them in a fire fight on his own does not seem plausible.

Ricin is for Grey Matter, maybe he cons the Nazis into getting it into their production somehow prior to the final showdown.

 
I'm still hoping Walt and Lydia ride off in the sunset together.

Or Walt and the principal. I still think she led him on and should've let him get some when he went for it.

 
Great episode to flesh out Todd a bit. Up until then he was mostly comic relief psycho guy for me. Since he'll likely play a big role in the finale it's good we got to see some more of him and he was awesome.

Hoping for Flynn to take up meth before this thing is over.
Or at least knock out one last kickin' breakfast for old time's sake.

 
Great episode to flesh out Todd a bit. Up until then he was mostly comic relief psycho guy for me. Since he'll likely play a big role in the finale it's good we got to see some more of him and he was awesome.

Hoping for Flynn to take up meth before this thing is over.
When I first started watching I thought this was a LOCK to happen

 
Scoresman said:
Anyone who would be upset if Walt ends up taking the ricin needs to ask themselves if you'd rather suffer for weeks or months while dying of cancer in a jail cell or meth dungeon, or suffer for 24-48 hours while dying of ricin.

If presented with those 2 options, I know which one I'd take.
Marie's suggestion was for him to kill himself. She also suggested he just be allowed to die when he was first diagnosed. I think he kills himself.

 
Scoresman said:
Anyone who would be upset if Walt ends up taking the ricin needs to ask themselves if you'd rather suffer for weeks or months while dying of cancer in a jail cell or meth dungeon, or suffer for 24-48 hours while dying of ricin.

If presented with those 2 options, I know which one I'd take.
Marie's suggestion was for him to kill himself.
Maybe someone should cut off Marie's hands for all the shoplifting she did.

Fair is fair and all.

 
I think most of the finale will be flashbacks with highlights from previous seasons like when Seinfeld did their 100th episode or the premier of Season 4 of Saved by the Bell where Zack recaps what all happened during the summer at Malibu Sands.

 

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