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[Daywalker]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'm currently parked next to a white Aztec that is all wrecked up on the side (windshield in tact though).

 

[Buckfast 1]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

It could certainly be some of both. However, from a thematic perspective, it makes perfect sense that -- after Elliot and Gretchen disavowed Walt's contributions to Grey Matters' success -- Walt's dead body is discovered in the midst of what ultimately become his greatest legacy and success, the pure blue meth.

 

[ryno1980]

And how are the "hit men" supposed to know when Gretchen and Elliott deliver the money to Junior?

When they give Walter White's kid $9million, it will make the news?

 

[bigmarc27]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

It could certainly be some of both. However, from a thematic perspective, it makes perfect sense that -- after Elliot and Gretchen disavowed Walt's contributions to Grey Matters' success -- Walt's dead body is discovered in the midst of what ultimately become his greatest legacy and success, the pure blue meth.

I think it's just admiration of what was his craft. Hard to take credit when the DEA knew he had been in New Hampshire (Marie brought it up on the call to Skylar).

 

[mad sweeney]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

She didn't call Todd because she wasn't feeling well. She called because she's a neurotic mess and wanted to get confirmation that Uncle Jack killed Walt.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

It was both.

 

[Major]

I wonder if Flynn still trolls that website for donations to his father's cancer fund???

 

[Apple Juice]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

She didn't call Todd because she wasn't feeling well. She called because she's a neurotic mess and wanted to get confirmation that Uncle Jack killed Walt.

Brilliant analysis bostonfred, but do agree that Lydia was calling to make sure Walt was dead.

Instantly following the finale, I felt like I would need a week to digest it and reflect on it. The more I do, and the more reactions I read, the more I feel like it was precise artistry at the expense of shock and comeuppance that many people were thirsting for, possibly including myself. And now I think it was absolutely the right decision, and will lead to this ending be remembered as one that did it on its own terms with unparalleled, impeccable technical perfection.

In that regard, this ending and The Sopranos ending, whether certain people like it or not, will stand as the two towering pillars of final episodes that are endlessly discussed and heralded.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

She didn't call Todd because she wasn't feeling well. She called because she's a neurotic mess and wanted to get confirmation that Uncle Jack killed Walt.

Brilliant analysis bostonfred, but do agree that Lydia was calling to make sure Walt was dead.

Instantly following the finale, I felt like I would need a week to digest it and reflect on it. The more I do, and the more reactions I read, the more I feel like it was precise artistry at the expense of shock and comeuppance that many people were thirsting for, possibly including myself. And now I think it was absolutely the right decision, and will lead to this ending be remembered as one that did it on its own terms with unparalleled, impeccable technical perfection.

In that regard, this ending and The Sopranos ending, whether certain people like it or not, will stand as the two towering pillars of final episodes that are endlessly discussed and heralded.

And St Elsewhere

 

[Apple Juice]

Also, as has been discussed, this show will be remembered for Ozymandias and Granite State as much as the finale. Each of those episodes served as completely different versions of what the finale could have been. A rollercoaster, bloodbath episode that burned Walt alive. A lonely, depressing episode of isolation that faded Walt away. A precisely mapped out and executed episode that rewarded Walt for his intelligence and calculation, regardless of whether he had broke bad or deserved it. "He was good at it", and his family and life didn't matter that much anyway. He won.

 

[omally]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

She didn't call Todd because she wasn't feeling well. She called because she's a neurotic mess and wanted to get confirmation that Uncle Jack killed Walt.

Yeah, she was definitely calling to get confirmation from Todd that they killed Walt.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Could Todd get ricin poisoning if he ate Lydia's ### after she ingested the ricin?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Could Todd get ricin poisoning if he ate Lydia's ### after she ingested the ricin?

 

[Premier]

Could Todd get ricin poisoning if he ate Lydia's ### after she ingested the ricin?

I don't think so. He died.

 

[badmojo1006]

Vince Gilligan on the last Breaking Bad Podcast

I didn't listen but they have the highlights listed below on the link. If they would have done the first one,

 

[Abraham]

I agree. That would have been too much.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Listen, Jesse killed a number of people and when he gets caught, who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

 

[ProBowler88]

I've never seen one episode of this show, guess I have some catching up to do...

 

[In The Zone]

My wife just turned 50 yesterday. Maybe I can talk her into making a career change. I'd make a helluva bookkeeper.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

like I said... multiple interpretations on everything in this show. And they can all be right.

 

[FlapJacks]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

like I said... multiple interpretations on everything in this show. And they can all be right.

I think it could be both

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The question isn't why kill Lydia, its why not. She is a sniveling little ####. She is beyond annoying and deserves to die on general principles. Then, when you add in the factor that all the deaths in the final plan are only probabilities taking a shot at Lydia makes sense as maybe that is the only way to get at Todd.

Just Walt's way of making sure that Todd and Lydia don't go to the Georgia O'Keefe museum to look at paintings of ######s.

 

[ryno1980]

How did he get the ricin in the stevia packet?

 

[Zow]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

She didn't call Todd because she wasn't feeling well. She called because she's a neurotic mess and wanted to get confirmation that Uncle Jack killed Walt.

Yeah, she was definitely calling to get confirmation from Todd that they killed Walt.

No, it's water-tight.

 

[Raider Nation]

How did he get the ricin in the stevia packet?

That's child's play compared to some of the stuff he's pulled off.

Make a tiny slit near the top of the packet with a razor blade. Insert ricin. Seal with one stroke of a glue stick.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Could Todd get ricin poisoning if he ate Lydia's ### after she ingested the ricin?

I don't think so. He died.

But I mean if he did it before he died. Hypothetically.

 

[Zow]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

It could certainly be some of both. However, from a thematic perspective, it makes perfect sense that -- after Elliot and Gretchen disavowed Walt's contributions to Grey Matters' success -- Walt's dead body is discovered in the midst of what ultimately become his greatest legacy and success, the pure blue meth.

I think it's just admiration of what was his craft. Hard to take credit when the DEA knew he had been in New Hampshire (Marie brought it up on the call to Skylar).

But they don't know where, for how long, and whether he was actually there. They had a phone call and probably a weak ID by a bartender.

 

[dutch]

How did he get the ricin in the stevia packet?

That's child's play compared to some of the stuff he's pulled off.

Make a tiny slit near the top of the packet with a razor blade. Insert ricin. Seal with one stroke of a glue stick.

or so you've heard

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm not sure which I find more mesmerizing: Elliot's ears or Huell's head.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

How did he get the ricin in the stevia packet?

Child's play compared to putting the lime in the coconut.

 

[cstu]

Brilliant analysis bostonfred, but do agree that Lydia was calling to make sure Walt was dead.

Instantly following the finale, I felt like I would need a week to digest it and reflect on it. The more I do, and the more reactions I read, the more I feel like it was precise artistry at the expense of shock and comeuppance that many people were thirsting for, possibly including myself. And now I think it was absolutely the right decision, and will lead to this ending be remembered as one that did it on its own terms with unparalleled, impeccable technical perfection.

In that regard, this ending and The Sopranos ending, whether certain people like it or not, will stand as the two towering pillars of final episodes that are endlessly discussed and heralded.

And St Elsewhere

The DVD should have an alt ending where Jesse wakes up after doing meth for a week and the whole thing is a dream.

 

[Premier]

I did read that the DVD has 2 or 3 alternate endings.

 

[FlapJacks]

I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

I took it as him admiring his toys for the most part.

It could certainly be some of both. However, from a thematic perspective, it makes perfect sense that -- after Elliot and Gretchen disavowed Walt's contributions to Grey Matters' success -- Walt's dead body is discovered in the midst of what ultimately become his greatest legacy and success, the pure blue meth.

I think it's just admiration of what was his craft. Hard to take credit when the DEA knew he had been in New Hampshire (Marie brought it up on the call to Skylar).

But they don't know where, for how long, and whether he was actually there. They had a phone call and probably a weak ID by a bartender.

not to mention, that even if he was there, the most they know is that he was there that day.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I'm not sure which I find more mesmerizing: Elliot's ears or Huell's head.

Those ears are legit. No way Walt coulda snuck into the house with those satellite dishes in the next room over.

 

[FlapJacks]

I guess my biggest annoyance with TV show threads is the inabilityof viewers to put themselves into the character's understanding of the facts. Because, sometimes the audience is more aware of certains facts, assumptions risks, etc, they expect the characters to know things or draw inferences that normal people would not make based on the character's understanding of the situation.

 

[Sabertooth]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

I think this was a link in a spoiler earlier in the year, but the initial plan for the flash-forward was for Walt to go back to his old house and it's been burned down. The ricin (or, that ricin) would've died right there had they gone that route.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

 

[Sabertooth]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

 

[Limp Ditka]

schraderbrau, #####!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

Who cares? Again, let's say that Lydia drank chamomile tea with Stevia all the time in earlier episodes. All that shows is that she's neurotic and OCD, which is part of her character.

A huge number of people were speculating that Walt was going to take the ricin himself. I think you're looking back now knowing what you know and thinking that the Lydia-ricin thing was inevitable. It wasn't.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not sure which I find more mesmerizing: Elliot's ears or Huell's head.

Just think about Elliot's ears on Huell's head!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm not sure which I find more mesmerizing: Elliot's ears or Huell's head.

Just think about Elliot's ears on Huell's head!

I think this would disprove the existence of God.

 

[FlapJacks]

I'm not sure which I find more mesmerizing: Elliot's ears or Huell's head.

Just think about Elliot's ears on Huell's head!

I think this would disprove the existence of God.

This needs to be photoshopped

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

Yes, and they kept mentioning and focusing on stevia throughout the seasons.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

Who cares? Again, let's say that Lydia drank chamomile tea with Stevia all the time in earlier episodes. All that shows is that she's neurotic and OCD, which is part of her character.

A huge number of people were speculating that Walt was going to take the ricin himself. I think you're looking back now knowing what you know and thinking that the Lydia-ricin thing was inevitable. It wasn't.

Lydia is introduced in 5.2 being particular about her beverage, but that's because they were going to tease dosing her with the ricin later in that half-season (in the scene where she sells Walt on the Czech market).

By the second half of the season, it was clear the writers were foreshadowing Lydia and the ricin a lot. I thought it was perhaps a bit too obvious (again, in light of the fact that they had already teased it). In any case, I don't doubt that they actually discussed how to use the ricin while breaking the second half of the season. Once they settled on Lydia as an antagonist, that die was probably cast, I suppose.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

Who cares? Again, let's say that Lydia drank chamomile tea with Stevia all the time in earlier episodes. All that shows is that she's neurotic and OCD, which is part of her character.

A huge number of people were speculating that Walt was going to take the ricin himself. I think you're looking back now knowing what you know and thinking that the Lydia-ricin thing was inevitable. It wasn't.

And even more people said how dumb those people were suggesting Walt would ingest it himself on purpose. Lydia was always the obvious choice, the debate existed because it was so obvious that it could have been a red herring.

 

[FlapJacks]

Gilligan stated that they weren't sure who the Ricin was for? I doubt that. I mean was there even a scene with Lydia where she didn't mention tea? Or did the tea thing come later?

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was some episode earlier in the franchise in which Lydia drank tea. That wouldn't automatically mean that she had to get ricin poisoning. Lots of people have consumed food and beverages in this program. Given all the speculation/WAGs that people were throwing out there as the final season went along, I think it's fair to say that there was no inevitable ricin target.

She didn't just drink tea though. She drank a specific type of tea with Stevia. Who else in the series had that detailed of a drink order? What was Walt's go to drink? What was Hanks?

Yes, and they kept mentioning and focusing on stevia throughout the seasons.

Lydia came on in 5a, correct?

the Stevia might have been a throwaway or a affectations in an ep or two in 5a. It's been emphasized in 5b.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Figured out what Jesse did after his escape, and it's not Alaska.