Breastfeeding (2 Viewers)

[Big_Russel]

I think this is blown way out of proportion.With my first kid, my wife went into emergency surgery right after delivery. Since my daughter was hungry, the hospital gave her a bottle.When my wife recovered, she tried very hard to get my daughter to breastfeed. But my daughter liked the sweetness that formula provided and she refused the breast.It devastated my wife. She thought she wasn't doing her job as a mom. But it was horrible hearing a newborn cry out for food due to hunger.So it was feed her formula or just not let her eat. Did we make the right choice? She is now a very healthy 7 1/2 year old that is 52" tall and weighs about 65 lbs. Will be entering 3rd grade at the age of 7.Has a great bond with my wife, etc.I really think people that look down on moms who choose not to breastfeed need to find something else to complain about.

I think the nurses gave my hungry son a bottle before they even got my wife out of the operating room (she has a c-section).

I would be really surprised if this happened, but I'm no expert.

This is a "fired on the spot" :nono: I believe.

 

[coyote5]

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

You're wrong to make this choice for other people. You and your wife are doing what's right for your family in accord to your own values, but you can't hold other people's decisions about this matter against them.

Sure I can

You really come off as a ##### with this whole thing.

 

[jonessed]

And I would consider a parent's job pretty important to a child's long-term development. Some businesses simply do not give adequate time off or long-term payment options. If a Mom has to work to make money or keep her career on track then she has to work.

Federal LawEmployers are to require employers to provide reasonable break time for an employee to express breast milk for her nursing child for one year after the child’s birth each time such employee has need to express the milk. Employers are also required to provide a place, other than a bathroom, that is shielded from view and free from intrusion from coworkers and the public, which may be used by an employee to express breast milk.

I'm referring to mothers who may not be able to take the time away from work to get her child to properly breast-feed to begin with. If a mother was never able to get a baby to breast-feed she isn't going to be in a position to pump.

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

What are you talking about?

 

[bostonfred]

Are you holding your baby right now?

 

[gianmarco]

The clear benefit is bigger boobs for longer period of time.

 

[the moops]

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

You're wrong to make this choice for other people. You and your wife are doing what's right for your family in accord to your own values, but you can't hold other people's decisions about this matter against them.

Sure I can

You really come off as a ##### with this whole thing.

You people sure are sensitive today. No need to get all pissy about it. We all judge people. Nothing wrong with it, IMO. It's not as if I go around and shake my head in disgust if someone tells me they are feeding their infant formula by choice.However, if you choose to not breast feed because it is inconvenient I find that reasoning pretty damn lame.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

How come people don't use wet nurses anymore? Seems like a good wet nurse could probably fetch a nice salary for what's really part time work you can do while watching TV. And why isn't human milk sold in stores? There are lots of poor people out there to be milked.

Recent article in Wired about the growing market for Breast Milk

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The clear benefit is bigger boobs for longer period of time.

That and the sweetest, warmest, milk drinking experience of your adult life.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

You're wrong to make this choice for other people. You and your wife are doing what's right for your family in accord to your own values, but you can't hold other people's decisions about this matter against them.

Sure I can

Yeah, but it makes you sound like an idiot. If you're okay with that, carry on.

Clearly, you're unacquainted with the moops.

 

[Arizona Ron]

There's a big benefit for the “couple”; at night, my wife would simply pick up our daughter and lay right back down while feeding. If you’re using formula, then you have to get up and warm the formula up while the kid is going crazy.

Wife did this for 8 months. After that, she simply wasn't making enough to keep up with my daughter's grown demands.

 

[the moops]

Clearly, you're unacquainted with the moops.

 

[El Floppo]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Interesting opinion, man. Why on earth should you care what anybody else does with their kid when it doesn't affect you?I know you're new with this- congrats again on Jr- but don't be that guy.

 

[General Malaise]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Interesting opinion, man. Why on earth should you care what anybody else does with their kid when it doesn't affect you?I know you're new with this- congrats again on Jr- but don't be that guy.

 

[The Westin]

I heard breastfeeding ruins the mom's boobs. Makes em all saggy and such.

Is this true?

 

[iamsmilin]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

There could be a lot of reasons why that works for the family. There are so many hormones going on during that time that if it's easier on the wife to bottle feed, she should. There is a LOT of education involved in breast feeding and not everyone learns everything.

Please don't turn into that kind of parent that judges what others do because if doesn't fit into your narrow POV.

I'll add another important benefit. My wife was able to slim down super fast to her original size 4. It's like a miracle weight loss plan. Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months. It's healthy really for both.

Not always the case. For some women the weight stays on until after they are done breastfeeding. It really does vary.

 

[RBM]

If I was you, responding this statement, I would say something along the lines of "well, these women shouldn't be having children in the first place"

You're wrong to make this choice for other people. You and your wife are doing what's right for your family in accord to your own values, but you can't hold other people's decisions about this matter against them.

Sure I can

You really come off as a ##### with this whole thing.

You people sure are sensitive today. No need to get all pissy about it. We all judge people. Nothing wrong with it, IMO. It's not as if I go around and shake my head in disgust if someone tells me they are feeding their infant formula by choice.However, if you choose to not breast feed because it is inconvenient I find that reasoning pretty damn lame.

 

[bushdocda]

I was also glad when my wife stopped bc then we knew exactly how much my kid was eating instead of a guess based on time. Transition went smooth too. Whatever works. TitNazis are a vocal bunch.

 

[B-Deep]

I was also glad when my wife stopped bc then we knew exactly how much my kid was eating instead of a guess based on time. Transition went smooth too. Whatever works. TitNazis are a vocal bunch.

oddlyHitler was breastfed

 

[iamsmilin]

Looks like someone just had a baby.

Looks like someone with no boobs is going to preach what those who have boobs should do with them. (and while I totally agree with the merits, I just choose to shut the #### up and not judge what others should do)

How come people don't use wet nurses anymore? Seems like a good wet nurse could probably fetch a nice salary for what's really part time work you can do while watching TV. And why isn't human milk sold in stores? There are lots of poor people out there to be milked.

People do sell breastmilk but with transmittable diseases, it's very regulated.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Interesting blog discussing this subject.

Don't call me boob nazi!!

 

[Big_Russel]

Got a bottle fed boy and a titty fed girl...

When my son was two he could recite the Alphabet, count to 20, and was fully potty trained.

My daughter is two now... I caught her trying to bite her own reflection in the mirror last night.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

There are greater things to worry about as a parent, IMO, particularly as a father. The most important things I can do as a father are be there for my daughter every day, pay for her education/childcare no matter what that takes (as well as her healthcare), and provide everything else it takes to give her the advantages she'll need in life. For most folks that requires a significant financial sacrifice, and IMO that's going to be a truer measure of good parenting compared with the breastfeeding vs. formula argument. If the parents are paying attention to what's important in the big picture, there's a lot of room for options in these smaller decisions.

FTR my wife breastfed, then pumped, and we used formula as well (increasingly as the months went by).

 

[Black Box]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

 

[Big_Russel]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

 

[matuski]

Mama.

No further evidence needed.

 

[Black Box]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

 

[bostonfred]

I was also glad when my wife stopped bc then we knew exactly how much my kid was eating instead of a guess based on time. Transition went smooth too. Whatever works. TitNazis are a vocal bunch.

oddlyHitler was breastfed

I can't imagine how they found this out. CY: First off, how are you today?

Mrs. H: My son is the go-to example for evil in the world. Take the most evil guy out there, and people will compare him to my son, then someone else will say that it's an unfair comparison. I don't get invited to my mother's group anymore. Last time I went to the grocery store, the cashier was like, um, Sarah Hitler? Wow. That's a rough last name. Wait, are you really his mom? Holy cow you even have a little white moustache the same shape. I'm sorry, I'm going to need to get a manager.

CY: That's great. So, Mrs. Hitler, I have a few questions about how you raised your kids. Your fans want us to start at the beginning. Did you bottle feed?

 

[Big_Russel]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

 

[Clifford]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

I've had this discussion numerous times with my sis who is a clinician at the CDC. First of all, breastfeeding as opposed to formula has never actually been clinically proven to do anything, or lead to any better results. This is because conducting a true clinical trial on this subject would be inhumane, as you would have to take a group of mothers from similar socioeconomic backgrounds and tell half to breastfeed and half not to. You couldn't even test those who choose to breastfeed against those who choose not to because that decision is not completely isolated and therefore indicative of pre-existing differences between the two groups. Sooo there is actually no clinical proof at all that babies that are breast-fed turn out to have a higher percentage of any of the positive attributes you just listed SOLELY BECAUSE of BREASTFEEDING. Not to say that those stats aren't rooted in fact, just saying that the breastfeeding variable can not be isolated in trials as the cause for it.Now, there is a lot of medical evidence that the colostrum that mothers produce when the baby is an infant does play a vital role in helping the child boost their immune system and acquire many of the immunities of the mother. But I feel the majority of this debate tends to occur at least a week to two weeks after the infant is born, when the colostrum is no longer being produced in quantity. So unless you are talking about mothers that simply refuse to ever offer their breast to their child, rather than mothers who tire of the process after a couple of weeks in, I don't think the immunity argument is valid.As to the psychosocial effects you reference, there is no evidence anywhere (due to the above testing paradox) that says a breast-fed baby turns out more psychologically developed or emotionally-bonded than a non-breast fed baby. You may WANT to draw that conclusion from certain sets of data but you would just be inserting breast feeding as the key variable when it is much more often one variable in a large set of other variables, all of which could have conceivably played a role in the child's mental and emotional development.So I wouldn't just use some wiki page with stats as your source on this. Trust me, there have been warring believers on both sides of this debate for some time, and that precisely because the way of actually answering the question in a scientific way is too inhumane to attempt.It's a very emotional question for many so there is a lot of agenda behind it twisting what little facts actually exist into something that supports one side or the other.

 

[trogg78]

I try not to judge, but I can't help but wonder...if you quit early on breastfeeding because it's too hard, what's next?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'd like to publibly say that I am 100% for breastfeeding in any and all places.

 

[Black Box]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

And lose out on the bonding advantage? Though that is more of a late round pick...

 

[mr. furley]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed. eta: wife pumped til it dried up

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

The trick is to toughen up the nipples well before the baby shows up.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed.

I never inferred, nor am I criticizing those that don't. My first two kids were breastfed till about the time they started to walk (a little less than a year). For them, at 4 months, we introduced cereals, and their appetite took off and breast milk wasn't enough. Third child wasn't as lucky. He had to be taken off breastmilk because momma came down with a urinary tract infection and went on the antibiotics. Once that happened, it tainted her milk. She felt awful about seeing him cry in pain for momma to feed him. Once the flow stopped, it stopped for good. No starting that pump back. I have lived on both sides of this issue. Is it so wrong to declare that you are for breastfeeding? I don't mean to infer that being for one thing means that I am against anything else. FWIW, they are all growing up nicely now.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Anyone ever try breast milk straight from the tap?

 

[Doug B]

Is it so wrong to declare that you are for breastfeeding?

All depends on the delivery.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed.

I never inferred, nor am I criticizing those that don't. My first two kids were breastfed till about the time they started to walk (a little less than a year). For them, at 4 months, we introduced cereals, and their appetite took off and breast milk wasn't enough. Third child wasn't as lucky. He had to be taken off breastmilk because momma came down with a urinary tract infection and went on the antibiotics. Once that happened, it tainted her milk. She felt awful about seeing him cry in pain for momma to feed him. Once the flow stopped, it stopped for good. No starting that pump back. I have lived on both sides of this issue. Is it so wrong to declare that you are for breastfeeding? I don't mean to infer that being for one thing means that I am against anything else. FWIW, they are all growing up nicely now.

IMPLY

 

[Joseph]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed.

eta: wife pumped til it dried up

I feel like a breastfeeding Nazi posting this, but issues with pain are generally related to not having the proper latch. Our pediatrician has a lactation consultant on staff (a lot of them do now), and if mom is having any issues with pain, you can set up a quick appointment and they'll help you out.Regarding amount produced... I think that's almost always a non-issue. At some point baby will want to eat very often regardless of how much he gets, and mom's body will respond by producing more milk. When our son was around 2 weeks he went through a few days where he was hungry every hour and a half. It had nothing to do with not getting enough milk, and everything to do with his body needing more milk than his stomach could hold. Eventually his stomach grew a bit and wife's milk supply caught up. Their bodies work together without really trying, so if everything else is going well, there's almost never an issue with mom not being able to produce enough.

I'm not into judging people that decide not to breastfeed, but I just feel like people shouldn't stop doing something they'd otherwise continue with based on incorrect assumptions.

 

[mr. furley]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed.

Is it so wrong to declare that you are for breastfeeding?

nopejust used your post as a springboard.. mostly because i have heard that same argument used a lot. like someone else said.. they aren't my boobs so i'm not telling my wife or any woman what to do with them. and there's enough societal/peer pressure on women with kids, especially babies. judging them for breastfeeding/not breastfeeding is pretty awful stuff.

 

[Scarpaggio]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

We didn't have enough for me to help bottle feed most nights. My wife would pump 2 or 3 times while at work but we used most of that for daycare. My wife breast fed our daughter for a little over a year. Needless to say I got crap for not being able to help feed most nights. #2 is dues next month and my wife plans on doing the breastfeeding thing for at least a year. One thing to think about is if you can do it breastfeeding was a lot cheaper than having to go with formula.

 

[Uwe Blab]

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[Dragons]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

We didn't have enough for me to help bottle feed most nights. My wife would pump 2 or 3 times while at work but we used most of that for daycare. My wife breast fed our daughter for a little over a year. Needless to say I got crap for not being able to help feed most nights. #2 is dues next month and my wife plans on doing the breastfeeding thing for at least a year. One thing to think about is if you can do it breastfeeding was a lot cheaper than having to go with formula.

Who gave you crap?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

My first entry into this thread was just a haha type but I do want to focus on this because it branches off into so many other parts of life and society. We just came from an era of time where most people knew that if it was painful or it hurt or it was hard, typically you knew that was probably the right ting to do. It's the old saying that anything worth doing is worth doing right. I know we are just talking about baby milk here but this mindset of people who at the very first sign that something might be difficult or tedious or uncomfortable we have as a society told pople that it is all OK. Meaning it's OK to not engage in what is best for yourself and perhaps those dependent on you because it might be difficult. Unfortunately we have a lot of people in his country that didn't read their history books very well and have no concept of time or place Without going into a really long post I will simply say we hae grown very soft as a nation and I fully expect the system in place to continue to crumble from the inside out. We simply cannot leave things alone that work perfectly fine to begin with. We perverse ourselves and allow ourselves the freedom to be absolutely awful. Unfortunately the down side to freedom is that a lot of people and I do mean a lot of people simply cannot handle it.

 

[the moops]

Holy #### MOP

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Breastfeeding also provides a necessary bond between child and mother in the first few months.

my wife and kids bonded just fine. as did i with my kids.wife tried for 2 months with the first. pain, time and the irregularity of how much comes out, how often the baby needs to eat and having to work all played a part. it's just not possible in the modern day for every woman to breastfeed.

eta: wife pumped til it dried up

You basically buy into everything the media puts out. Furley, you are losing your edge buddy. Why bother trying right?

 

[Big_Russel]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

We didn't have enough for me to help bottle feed most nights. My wife would pump 2 or 3 times while at work but we used most of that for daycare. My wife breast fed our daughter for a little over a year. Needless to say I got crap for not being able to help feed most nights. #2 is dues next month and my wife plans on doing the breastfeeding thing for at least a year. One thing to think about is if you can do it breastfeeding was a lot cheaper than having to go with formula.

Oh... youre a lucky man. My wife would pump her ### flat if she had to just to make sure I got the night-shift. To your point about it being cheaper, that is the main reason we decided that breast feeding would be the better option for kid #2. That formula bill is no joke.

 

[Scarpaggio]

1.01 Only the wife can feed the baby in the middle of the night.

1.02 after "enhanced breast size"?

Breast milk can be bottle fed bro.

We didn't have enough for me to help bottle feed most nights. My wife would pump 2 or 3 times while at work but we used most of that for daycare. My wife breast fed our daughter for a little over a year. Needless to say I got crap for not being able to help feed most nights. #2 is dues next month and my wife plans on doing the breastfeeding thing for at least a year. One thing to think about is if you can do it breastfeeding was a lot cheaper than having to go with formula.

Who gave you crap?

My wife for not getting up as often as she did to help feed, but whats a man going to do? I wasn't producing milk and I don't think she needed the extra hands.

 

[Otis]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

Be sure to pass judgment asap!My wife didn't breast feed. She just never liked the thought of it, and I saw lots of moms go through it and hate it -- it was uncomfortable (sometimes painful), they couldn't monitor what the baby was getting, and sometimes had a very difficult time latching on. The couple that shared a hospital room with us when our daughter was born tried breast feeding. There was TONS of fighting, crying, and everything else from the other side of the curtain.We decided not to. My wife wasn't breast feed. I wasn't either. We both turned out pretty well, we think. I'm not sure how much of the studies etc. I buy into, but I'm happy to side with modern science and engineered formulas. Our daughter has been doing great. She's beautiful, putting on weight and growing fast, is HAPPY, sleeping well, and is a joy. As for this geeky bonding nonsense, my wife and daughter love each other immensely and have bonded plenty.The dooshbag new-age types who give you the stink eye when you say you aren't breast feeding? We learned very quickly not the mind them. Some people gave us grief about it at the hospital -- including the "breast feeding consultant" lady -- but our doctor said it is a personal choice and not to mind what others think.It's funny, but the same high anxiety, over anxious, uber A-type parents who freak out about every little thing, take a million classes and courses, and worry about organic this, organic that, are the same ones who end up having babies who end up totally freaking odd. We're cool just having a normal kid and not sweating any of the small stuff.As an aside, I could make a comment about parents who spend months reading books and debating and agonizing over choosing a name. We picked ours nearly on a whim. We came across one that we liked, thought sounded nice, and felt right. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter -- they will make their own identity, and won't be governed by the name. The Beatles didn't become a success because they had an awesome superstar name. They made the name what it is. But as with the name stuff, parents these days will freak out about every little study and every little thing and try their damnedest to dissect parenthood into a science it was never meant to be.End rant.

 

[Mister CIA]

I try not to judge, but I can't help but wonder...if you quit early on breastfeeding because it's too hard, what's next?

A good night's sleep.