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Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.

 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I would agree.I'm benching Brees and Bush this week in non-PPR for all of the reasons you have mentioned. I think it's simply too hostile of an environment for a dome team on a short week to trust them.

 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I would agree.I'm benching Brees and Bush this week in non-PPR for all of the reasons you have mentioned. I think it's simply too hostile of an environment for a dome team on a short week to trust them.
One positive thing for those in leagues that award points for return yards, sounds like Pierre will be handling the kickoff return duties on Thursday.Linky

 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I would agree.I'm benching Brees and Bush this week in non-PPR for all of the reasons you have mentioned. I think it's simply too hostile of an environment for a dome team on a short week to trust them.
One positive thing for those in leagues that award points for return yards, sounds like Pierre will be handling the kickoff return duties on Thursday.Linky
That's all well and good but I'm not sure we can trust the Bears to score a lot...Orton has started looking respectable again but they're not exactly well, uhm, the Saints when it comes to offensive firepower. I can't see Pierre getting more than a point or two off returns. He could always rip a long return but I don't know that's something you can count on.

 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I would agree.I'm benching Brees and Bush this week in non-PPR for all of the reasons you have mentioned. I think it's simply too hostile of an environment for a dome team on a short week to trust them.
One positive thing for those in leagues that award points for return yards, sounds like Pierre will be handling the kickoff return duties on Thursday.Linky
That's all well and good but I'm not sure we can trust the Bears to score a lot...Orton has started looking respectable again but they're not exactly well, uhm, the Saints when it comes to offensive firepower. I can't see Pierre getting more than a point or two off returns. He could always rip a long return but I don't know that's something you can count on.
The Saints defense is horrible.
 
I have been trying to justify benching Brees, Bush, Thomas, L. Moore & Hartley but they have all been so productive that I just can't convince myself to do it.

 
I have been trying to justify benching Brees, Bush, Thomas, L. Moore & Hartley but they have all been so productive that I just can't convince myself to do it.
Moore has been horrible since Bush came back. Something like 5 50 1 in 2 games
 
I'm very reluctant in starting Brees this week much less considering P. Thomas for the simple fact that this Saints team just doesnt perform well on the road. Sure Brees averages about 308 yards per game but only 7 of his 26 TD's came away from the Superdome. Although isnt it usually opposite from what we expect in fantasy football? The players with bad matchup's usually go off while those with choice matchup's fail to meet our expectations!

 
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You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?

 
You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?
:fro: ................Brees got me to the playoffs and has a relatively good matchup. People are overanalyzing this.
 
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You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?
Well that's a no-brainer. The question for me is about Thomas. I don't know what to expect. Bears are fighting for a playoff spot, and the Saints are basically out of contention at this point. Pretty different circumstances than last year.
 
I think the challenge is for those that have Thomas and Bush, which of the two to start. This past week you couldn't go wrong, as they both performed.

 
You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?
Well that's a no-brainer. The question for me is about Thomas. I don't know what to expect. Bears are fighting for a playoff spot, and the Saints are basically out of contention at this point. Pretty different circumstances than last year.
This is the part I don't get. Both the Bears and Saints have the SAME record. The last wildcard spot in the NFC is almost a crapshoot between about 5 teams (one being the Saints). The Saints are 7-6 right now with Chicago, Detroit and Carolina. The last game of the season against Carolina may be meaningless for Carolina. If the Saints win out and finish 10-6, they very likely could end up with the last wildcard spot. Thus, it seems to me like this game against Chicago is basically their season. If they win, they have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs. if they lose, they're out of it. Neither team will hold anything back in this game.
 
You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?
Well that's a no-brainer. The question for me is about Thomas. I don't know what to expect. Bears are fighting for a playoff spot, and the Saints are basically out of contention at this point. Pretty different circumstances than last year.
From KFFL (http://www.kffl.com/article.php/97886/512) about Pierre Thomas: Fantasy football sleepers: Running backs

Pierre Thomas, New Orleans Saints at Chicago Bears

Fantasy value: Midrange No. 1

* Thomas ran for a season-high 102 yards and a touchdown in Week 14 while also adding a seven-yard touchdown reception.

* The second-year back has now scored in four straight games, accounting for six total touchdowns in that span. He has also gained better than 100 total yards in three of the four contests.

* Chicago has allowed 157.8 total yards (fifth most) and one touchdown per game to opposing backs during the last month.

* Last season, Thomas gashed the Bears for 226 total yards (105 rushing, 121 receiving) and a touchdown in Week 17.

From Rotoworld:

Saints beat writer Jeff Duncan expects Pierre Thomas to "continue to be featured in the offense" by coach Sean Payton.

Duncan thinks that Thomas, who generated two TDs and 109 yards on 17 touches in Week 14, "clearly" is New Orleans' best runner. Thomas should get 15-18 carries at chilly Soldier Field next week. Passing may not be easy.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

Also, Thomas is from Chicago. He's not a stranger to the cold.

 
You guys really got a better matchup then the #1 fantasy QB going against the #28th ranked pass defense?
Well that's a no-brainer. The question for me is about Thomas. I don't know what to expect. Bears are fighting for a playoff spot, and the Saints are basically out of contention at this point. Pretty different circumstances than last year.
This is the part I don't get. Both the Bears and Saints have the SAME record. The last wildcard spot in the NFC is almost a crapshoot between about 5 teams (one being the Saints). The Saints are 7-6 right now with Chicago, Detroit and Carolina. The last game of the season against Carolina may be meaningless for Carolina. If the Saints win out and finish 10-6, they very likely could end up with the last wildcard spot. Thus, it seems to me like this game against Chicago is basically their season. If they win, they have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs. if they lose, they're out of it. Neither team will hold anything back in this game.
Good point, I was projecting my opinion into it. I'm of the opinion the only way CHI gets in is by winning the division, and ATL & TB get the wildcards. Obviously NO won't be mailing this game in as they are not out of it by any means.
 
The Bears placed DT Dvoracek on IR. I would assume losing a starting DT would have an impact on how effective the defense is at stopping the run.

Anyone know if this will have a meaningful impact on the game?

Dvoracek on IR

 
I think the challenge is for those that have Thomas and Bush, which of the two to start. This past week you couldn't go wrong, as they both performed.
That's one challenge. The other is for those of us who have Brees and Thomas. If it's assumed that NO's offensive production may be diminished by the variables mentioned before - weather, hostile enivronment, tough D, a playoff-hungry opponent, etc, what component of NO's offense do you put your money on - the passing game (Brees, the WR's, possibly Bush, and marginally Thomas), the running game (Thomas, and to a lesser extent Bush), or do you feel it will be a balanced attack and therefore both components produce?
 
I could play Warner at home vs Minnesota, but I'm going to stick with Brees. 675 yds and 5 TD's the last 2 trips to Chicago is OK with me.

The Saints have also got the running game clicking lately and have been able to stop opposing RB's. Of course they give up passing yds, but

I'd take my chances stopping Forte and let Orton try and beat me anyday. The Bears give up lots of passing yds which should keep them honest

and allow the Saints some room to run.

 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I would agree.I'm benching Brees and Bush this week in non-PPR for all of the reasons you have mentioned. I think it's simply too hostile of an environment for a dome team on a short week to trust them.
I think this is a bit of an over-reaction. I've got Brees and Thomas and no way do I bench both. I'll start Brees and cross my fingers. He can - and usually does - produce against anyone anywhere. He's experienced in these type of games now and also has cold weather history at Purdue. He may not "go off" but I think you can count on at least 20 points in standard scoring leagues. Now, Thomas is another matter all together....

 
I think the challenge is for those that have Thomas and Bush, which of the two to start. This past week you couldn't go wrong, as they both performed.
That's one challenge. The other is for those of us who have Brees and Thomas. If it's assumed that NO's offensive production may be diminished by the variables mentioned before - weather, hostile enivronment, tough D, a playoff-hungry opponent, etc, what component of NO's offense do you put your money on - the passing game (Brees, the WR's, possibly Bush, and marginally Thomas), the running game (Thomas, and to a lesser extent Bush), or do you feel it will be a balanced attack and therefore both components produce?
Judging by this post, you seem like the type that also starts WR's just to cancel out opponent's QB's...dontcha?
 
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I think the challenge is for those that have Thomas and Bush, which of the two to start. This past week you couldn't go wrong, as they both performed.
That's one challenge. The other is for those of us who have Brees and Thomas. If it's assumed that NO's offensive production may be diminished by the variables mentioned before - weather, hostile enivronment, tough D, a playoff-hungry opponent, etc, what component of NO's offense do you put your money on - the passing game (Brees, the WR's, possibly Bush, and marginally Thomas), the running game (Thomas, and to a lesser extent Bush), or do you feel it will be a balanced attack and therefore both components produce?
Judging by this post, you seem like the type that also starts WR's just to cancel out opponent's QB's...dontcha?
I don't go out of my way to do that, but if one of my regular starting WR's happens to be on my opponent's QB's team, I don't mind it. I actually like it better the other way around - if my QB and my opponent's WR are on the same team.
 
Starting Bush in PPR over Barber, Addai, Jennings or Wayne. I am hoping for alot of Brees "panic" dump offs to counter a Bears home field pass rush. Maybe 7-8 catches and a TD. I think they work hard to slow Thomas down, however the last three weeks have shown Chicago to give up some yards to RB's.

Plus my opponent has Brees and if hes not throwing TD's to Bush, then I am fine with him handing them to Thomas :confused:

 
I think the challenge is for those that have Thomas and Bush, which of the two to start. This past week you couldn't go wrong, as they both performed.
That's one challenge. The other is for those of us who have Brees and Thomas. If it's assumed that NO's offensive production may be diminished by the variables mentioned before - weather, hostile enivronment, tough D, a playoff-hungry opponent, etc, what component of NO's offense do you put your money on - the passing game (Brees, the WR's, possibly Bush, and marginally Thomas), the running game (Thomas, and to a lesser extent Bush), or do you feel it will be a balanced attack and therefore both components produce?
Leaving the Bush/Thomas question out, if you compare the pass game to the run game I get this:The only "bad" games by Brees (<300yds & <2 TD's) were @WAS, @CAR, @KC; while the run game (Bush/Thomas/McAllister) in these 3 games were (rush;rec) 18/46/1;9/92/0, 19/104/0;2/11/0, 24/109/2;5/68/0.

So generally, when Brees has been bad, the RB's have also been bad. As for causation, I don't know. :lmao:

On the flip side, in every other game at least 1 of the RB's (generally the one that got the most touches) was a decent to great play.

I'm starting to think as long as Brees has a good day (and he should against the 28th ranked pass D) then Thomas is a solid play. Just keep an eye on the weather. Forecast right now is mid 40's and chance of light rain. Looks like good football weather to me. :confused:

 
No chance I'm benching Brees. I trust him more than any other player on my roster. As for Thomas, he's competing vs MJD and SJax to get into my lineup. They seem to have better matchups, so I don't have to think to hard on that one.

 
I'm debating PT. He absolutely tore up the Bears late last year in Chicago. He's been the workhorse back for NO and has scored in 4 straight games. But its the BEARS in Chicago. The Saints are far more effective at home than away. And its a short week. I suppose playing the Tampa-2 so frequently gives them a lot of familiarity with the Bears' scheme. And the Bears' DTs are banged up/out.

Confounding my decision is my other options. A whole lot of crap shoots. An injured Gore and Barber. Will Choice be the guy again this week or will Barber play (well)? I just picked up T-Bell. Is his matchup against the hot Panthers while travelling cross-country a good one? ARGH!!!!

I think I'm gonna roll with the hot hand, PT. Put a number up on the board Thursday night and see what happens next. I just wish I had until Sunday to make these choices. Oh well.

 
I'm debating PT. He absolutely tore up the Bears late last year in Chicago. He's been the workhorse back for NO and has scored in 4 straight games. But its the BEARS in Chicago. The Saints are far more effective at home than away. And its a short week. I suppose playing the Tampa-2 so frequently gives them a lot of familiarity with the Bears' scheme. And the Bears' DTs are banged up/out.Confounding my decision is my other options. A whole lot of crap shoots. An injured Gore and Barber. Will Choice be the guy again this week or will Barber play (well)? I just picked up T-Bell. Is his matchup against the hot Panthers while travelling cross-country a good one? ARGH!!!!I think I'm gonna roll with the hot hand, PT. Put a number up on the board Thursday night and see what happens next. I just wish I had until Sunday to make these choices. Oh well.
I hear you brotha! I've got to decide between PT, Lynch @ NYJ, or Ronnie vs SF. If this game was in NO, it would be a no-brainer in favor of PT. In CHI? Not so sure...
 
Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense? I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
I bet a lot of people thought that about Houston in Green Bay last week. The Bears have shown nothing, they beat Jax, big deal. Jax gave up as a team weeks ago. Bears D has stunk all season, home or away. They are 5th from last for Passing yards against, they are better against the rush but have shown a lot of weakness there also. Their D comes through with turnovers and specials teams. I would easlit start, Brees, Bush, Colston and Moore. and problably Thomas, depending on options. I have L.Moore, Thomas, Ward, J.Lewis, C.Taylor to choose from and right noe Thomas is in.Signed Chicago Homer
 
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I have been trying to justify benching Brees, Bush, Thomas, L. Moore & Hartley but they have all been so productive that I just can't convince myself to do it.
As good as Lance Moore has been, he's been killing me the last two weeks!
 
I have been trying to justify benching Brees, Bush, Thomas, L. Moore & Hartley but they have all been so productive that I just can't convince myself to do it.
As good as Lance Moore has been, he's been killing me the last two weeks!
Agreed. He's been my WR3 since Week 4 but with Bush coming back along with Colstson and Shockey healthy have hurt his targets. I'm thinking of going in another direction this week.
 
I have been trying to justify benching Brees, Bush, Thomas, L. Moore & Hartley but they have all been so productive that I just can't convince myself to do it.
As good as Lance Moore has been, he's been killing me the last two weeks!
Agreed. I'm mulling VJAX @KC over Moore. I think Shockey and Bush are hurting Moore but I could use a big Brees/Moore hook up since I got both. Aside: Robert Meachem and Devery Henderson lost their chances at this point.
 
Mostly Cloudy

Hi Temperature: 32° F Low Temperature: 19° F Sunset: 4:19 PM Probability of precip: 10

Winds medium at 10mph.

So not so bad for this game .

 
Starting Bush in PPR over Barber, Addai, Jennings or Wayne. I am hoping for alot of Brees "panic" dump offs to counter a Bears home field pass rush. Maybe 7-8 catches and a TD. I think they work hard to slow Thomas down, however the last three weeks have shown Chicago to give up some yards to RB's.

Plus my opponent has Brees and if hes not throwing TD's to Bush, then I am fine with him handing them to Thomas :tumbleweed:
Bears have little, to no pass rush.12th in sacks, but 28th in pass yrds given up.

Brees and company should wipe the field with these guys

34-13 Saints

 
For those of you starting Thomas "with confidence," who are you starting him over?
Kevin Smith & Jamal Lewis. Smith's great matchup against Indy disappeared once Culpepper got hurt. Without a quarterback, they are going to look to stop the running game. Lewis has stunk it up the last few weeks.Sometimes you just have to go with who is hot.
 
Does anyone like Pierre over SJax? I have Pierre going right now and felt pretty good about him, but some of you are scaring me.

 
No chance I'm benching Brees. I trust him more than any other player on my roster. As for Thomas, he's competing vs MJD and SJax to get into my lineup. They seem to have better matchups, so I don't have to think to hard on that one.
Not to hijack, but if you're ever going to start SJax, this is the week and MJD has a match-up that Slaton and D. Will had success against. Plus he's at home. I definitely think someone suffers on the short week and the road game, but I don't know if it's Brees or Thomas. Could Brees pull a Brady and let his owners down in the fantasy playoffs? Sure.
 
im starting thomas because i want someone on my roster to play thursday nite...ive had good luck so far on these thursday nite games(westbrook and L.T)...it a great way to start off the football weekend :thumbup:

 
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Short week, frozen tundra, CHI D gunning for the division crown, rabid CHI crowd, playoffs slipping away for NO. As a Brees and Thomas owner who is considering starting both this week (obviously Brees will start regardless) I'm wondering if there are enough fantasy points to go around for both the passing game and the running game Thurs night. If Brees gets his, is there enough offense left over for Thomas to produce solid points on the ground? Do we assume Bush will be more involved in the passing game this week at Thomas' expense?

I'm thinking this game in particular may not produce the offensive firepower normally associated with NO.
well, Vegas thinks there will be!Bears -3, 45 O/U..

expecting a high scoring game!

 
Any more news on defensive injuries for the Bears? I know Dvorachek was put on IR and Ogunleye is questionable. I've also read that Tommie Harris is pretty dinged up as well.

With this many injuries on the defensive line Brees should have time to throw, we all know he's lethal when he isn't pressured, and Thomas will have lanes to run through.

With the weather cooperating the Saints are primed to put up some points tomorrow.

 

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