Brees breaks Marino's single season passing record (1 Viewer)

[Steelers4Life]

Didn't they show a stat tonight that noted that the difference between Brees' ypg and the average QB was about the same or greater than Marino's was in 84?

Yes.What they didn't show with that stat is that Brees throws the ball 41 times per game while Marino threw it 36. Based on Marino's YPA from 1984, that's almost another 50 yards per game.

Didn't realize we were talking about a record for attempts. Because I'm pretty sure that yards are all that matters when talking about a yardage record.

No one is disputing the validity of the record. Yardage is yardage. It's like breaking Roger Maris' record in more games. It's still a record.The number of attempts and era factor into things if you want to analyze which season is more impressive.

No it's not. Drew Brees threw for more yards in fewer games. And with a similar deviation above the norm relative to the previous record. Only a moron would argue otherwise.

Agreed. He threw for more yards in one fewer game, and he's averaging a similar number of yards per game more than the average team. And it's one helluva year for him.He did it by throwing five more passes per game than Marino with rules that have made it easier than ever before to throw the ball - and far easier than in 1984.It's difficult to compare eras, no doubt. But I wonder what Marino would've done had Clayton, Duper, and Moore been free to run after five yards and he threw the ball five more times every game.

 

[ThaPenguin]

I'm just happy he did it tonight so the media won't be shoving it down our throats all week leading up to Sunday.

 

[shader]

Hey Marino homers, get over it. It's a yardage record and it just got broken. I'm sure old guys from the 60's complained when fouts and Marino broke the records in the 80's too.

Give Brees credit. The NFL has been pass happy for fifteen years and it took this long to break the record.

I'd love to see Brees drop 400 next week and put it outta reach for another 20 years.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.

better look out for karma, saints..........

 

[Pnishthm]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.better look out for karma, saints..........

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd love to see Brees drop 400 next week and put it outta reach for another 20 years 12 months.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd love to see Brees drop 400 next week and put it outta reach for another 20 years 12 months days.

Fixed again due to it being a passing league now and all.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd love to see Brees drop 400 next week and put it outta reach for another 20 years 12 months days.

Fixed again due to it being a passing league now and all.

Ok but Brady is gonna pass Marino next week also. Why would 400 yards make a difference in 12 months? Brees may break his own record in 12 months but Brady, Rodgers or Manning could break it next year. Or the year after, or the year after.You Saints fans are getting pretty defensive. Eli Manning is gonna pass for almost 5000 yards this year, the league has changed a lot since 1984. Congrats to Brees, great season and a great guy but come on...

 

[Henry Ford]

Agreed. He threw for more yards in one fewer game, and he's averaging a similar number of yards per game more than the average team. And it's one helluva year for him.He did it by throwing five more passes per game than Marino with rules that have made it easier than ever before to throw the ball - and far easier than in 1984.It's difficult to compare eras, no doubt. But I wonder what Marino would've done had Clayton, Duper, and Moore been free to run after five yards and he threw the ball five more times every game.

I wonder what Drew Brees would have done with Clayton, Duper, and Moore in any era.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

You can't put an asterisk by every record because the eras were different. True fans know it's not apples to apples, but that doesn't tarnish the accomplishment.

Drew Brees has the record. He earned it and he deserves it. I'm sure nobody really questions that (except that Vikings fan on this board who hates the Saints). So I think it's unfair to pull out "but what Marino did in his era was better." Everyone plays in their eras, and Marino didn't play with hulking monsters on defense who are almost as fast as receivers. Yes, it's a QB-friendly league but defenses are faster, bigger and more dangerous than ever. To stay upright long enough to throw for that many yards is an accomplishment in itself. if they played fewer games that would be one thing. But Brees did it in 15 games. That's impressive regardless of era.

 

[Kilgore]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.better look out for karma, saints..........

Brees knew that MY game wasn't over. He knew he needs to keep passing to put me over the top.

 

[Sand]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

How many yards would Brees have to get next week for you to be impressed with the record?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Congrats to Drew, but given the times and relative to the rest of the league, Marino's total is far, far more impressive.

How many yards would Brees have to get next week for you to be impressed with the record?

555

 

[Crippler]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.better look out for karma, saints..........

This is what I find interesting. I wonder who had more yards passing in the first 3 quarters of a game. Rodgers or Brees. I know this is not the first time this year that New Orleans has run the score up. 62 - 7 anyone while the Packers have pulled Rodgers plenty and gone very conservative in the 4th quarter. Would it be Rodgers who owned the record with a more aggressive coach.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As a person who was present in the stadium when Marino took over for David Woodley and never looked back, a person who watched just about every throw Marino ever made, a lifelong fan...congrads to Brees for breaking a 27 year old record. I feel Marino's season was far more memorable but that doesn't take away from what Brees did. Marino was the first to break 5,000 yards and Brees is the first person to break 5,000 yards twice in his career.

 

[Statorama]

I was mad at Marino for a long time because he single handedly kept the "Shuffle" Bears from going undefeated. Looking back, I'm so glad he did. That Bears team is completely insufferable now, I can't imagine what they would have been like had they had a perfect season. What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.

All this talk of who had what better season is bunk, and takes away from the guy that breaks the record. Jets fans were probably crying the same way when Namath's "4,000" mark was shattered. "Fouts is in a WAY more friendly passing era". I sure won't begrudge Andrew Luck when he throws for 5,500 yards in an 18 game season to break Brees record. Maybe it's different for Marino and his fans, since he just wasn't good enough to get his team a Superbowl victory. Having this record was really the only thing he could hang his hat on.

I'm laser focused on a Saints Superbowl victory. That's really all that matters. This record is slightly above meaningless for me.

 

[AmosMoses]

Congrats to Brees. Saints and Brees fan here. He is a classy guy and a great QB. I think he is HOF bound, despite the slow start. About the record... like I stated in the original Brees/Marino thread, we just don't know how great of a job Brees did here yet. It remains to be seen. If someone else comes along and breaks Brees record next year, how much did it matter? It obviously wasn't that good. It's Marino's record that should be celebrated here. His stood for nearly 3 decades before it was broken. That deserves respect. Think of all the records - what are the most impressive? It's the Dimaggio 56 game hitting streak, Brett Favre's career INT, other things like that. Why? Because they are so far out there that they will never be broken. It's the records that live through rules changes and generations of athletes that is impressive. Maybe Brees record will stand, we shall see.

 

[Doug B]

But I wonder what Marino would've done had Clayton, Duper, and Moore been free to run after five yards and he threw the ball five more times every game.

Marino's receivers, in 1984, were free to run after five yards. Check out the "illegal contact" section.

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The main differences between passing in 1984 vs passing in 2011 were the following:

a) Prevailing Philosophies: many, many holdovers from the 60s & 70s were still coaching NFL teams. Some teams were still running out of the I-formation in 1984 (e.g. Bum Phillips' Saints). Though both had older roots, Air Coryell and the West Coast Offense were both about five years old as team philosophies and those teams' assistants hadn't yet worked their way through the league. The shotgun formation itself was undergoing a renaissance by 1984 -- as recently as the mid-70s, only the Cowboys used it with any frequency.

b) Organizational Emphasis on Concussions: specific rules against helmet-to-helmet hits did not exist, though spearing with the helmet while tackling was already a penalty by 1984.

c) Protection of Defenseless Receivers: the concept was in its infancy in 1984, and did not protect receivers who managed to hang on to the ball.

 

[Chase Stuart]

NFL teams averaged 7.1 yards per attempt in 1984.

NFL teams are averaging 7.2 yards per attempt in 2011.

 

[Vykng]

These moments are fun to watch.

But these threads are ridiculous once the "Back in my day" folks arrive.Stats are stats. And Brees has those stats right now.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

NFL teams averaged 7.1 yards per attempt in 1984.NFL teams are averaging 7.2 yards per attempt in 2011.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

Congrats to Brees, wish it didn't happen against my team but sadly it did. Amazing accomplishment.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

This is what I find interesting. I wonder who had more yards passing in the first 3 quarters of a game. Rodgers or Brees. I know this is not the first time this year that New Orleans has run the score up. 62 - 7 anyone while the Packers have pulled Rodgers plenty and gone very conservative in the 4th quarter. Would it be Rodgers who owned the record with a more aggressive coach.

Please don't comment on games you didn't watch. Brees didn't even play the 4th quarter of the 62-7 game and they ran the ball every single play.

 

[AmosMoses]

NFL teams averaged 7.1 yards per attempt in 1984.NFL teams are averaging 7.2 yards per attempt in 2011.

Chase made a great point here.

 

[Pnishthm]

This is what I find interesting. I wonder who had more yards passing in the first 3 quarters of a game. Rodgers or Brees. I know this is not the first time this year that New Orleans has run the score up. 62 - 7 anyone while the Packers have pulled Rodgers plenty and gone very conservative in the 4th quarter. Would it be Rodgers who owned the record with a more aggressive coach.

Please don't comment on games you didn't watch. Brees didn't even play the 4th quarter of the 62-7 game and they ran the ball every single play.

They pulled Brees in the 3rd actually

 

[Tau837]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.better look out for karma, saints..........

This is what I find interesting. I wonder who had more yards passing in the first 3 quarters of a game. Rodgers or Brees. I know this is not the first time this year that New Orleans has run the score up. 62 - 7 anyone while the Packers have pulled Rodgers plenty and gone very conservative in the 4th quarter. Would it be Rodgers who owned the record with a more aggressive coach.

Brees has more passing yards in the first 3 quarters, but their total yards are almost identical. Rodgers has been a better passer and a better QB (to include rushing) in the first 3 quarters. Rodgers has also been a better passer in the 4th quarter. Their numbers are very similar when up by 15 or more points.In first 3 quarters this season:Rodgers: 276/404 (68.3%) for 3744 passing yards (9.3 ypa), 35 passing TDs, 2 interceptions; 47/248/2 rushingBrees: 342/470 (72.8%) for 3947 passing yards (8.4 ypa), 31 passing TDs, 10 interceptions; 10/38/1 rushingIn 4th quarter this season:Rodgers: 67/98 (68.4%) for 899 passing yards (9.2 ypa), 10 passing TDs, and 4 interceptions; 13/9/1 rushingBrees: 95/149 (63.8%) for 1,120 passing yards (7.5 ypa), 10 passing TDs, and 3 interceptions; 10/43/0 rushingWhen winning by 15+ points this season:Rodgers: 48/69 for 730 passing yards, 5 passing TDs, and 2 interceptions; 15/62/2 rushingBrees: 54/79 for 748 passing yards, 7 passing TDs, 2 interceptions; 5/23/1 rushing

 

[guderian]

Brees is also 11 completions away from breaking the completions record and he's on pace to break the completion percentage record of 70.6%. That's the amazing thing, in my opinion, he throws a lot, throws down field a good bit and still has an all-time high completion percentage.

 

[Crippler]

and running up the score throwing a td when the game was over.better look out for karma, saints..........

This is what I find interesting. I wonder who had more yards passing in the first 3 quarters of a game. Rodgers or Brees. I know this is not the first time this year that New Orleans has run the score up. 62 - 7 anyone while the Packers have pulled Rodgers plenty and gone very conservative in the 4th quarter. Would it be Rodgers who owned the record with a more aggressive coach.

Brees has more passing yards in the first 3 quarters, but their total yards are almost identical. Rodgers has been a better passer and a better QB (to include rushing) in the first 3 quarters. Rodgers has also been a better passer in the 4th quarter. Their numbers are very similar when up by 15 or more points.In first 3 quarters this season:Rodgers: 276/404 (68.3%) for 3744 passing yards (9.3 ypa), 35 passing TDs, 2 interceptions; 47/248/2 rushingBrees: 342/470 (72.8%) for 3947 passing yards (8.4 ypa), 31 passing TDs, 10 interceptions; 10/38/1 rushingIn 4th quarter this season:Rodgers: 67/98 (68.4%) for 899 passing yards (9.2 ypa), 10 passing TDs, and 4 interceptions; 13/9/1 rushingBrees: 95/149 (63.8%) for 1,120 passing yards (7.5 ypa), 10 passing TDs, and 3 interceptions; 10/43/0 rushingWhen winning by 15+ points this season:Rodgers: 48/69 for 730 passing yards, 5 passing TDs, and 2 interceptions; 15/62/2 rushingBrees: 54/79 for 748 passing yards, 7 passing TDs, 2 interceptions; 5/23/1 rushing

Thank you. Brees is quite a bit ahead.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was mad at Marino for a long time because he single handedly kept the "Shuffle" Bears from going undefeated. Looking back, I'm so glad he did. That Bears team is completely insufferable now, I can't imagine what they would have been like had they had a perfect season. What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.All this talk of who had what better season is bunk, and takes away from the guy that breaks the record. Jets fans were probably crying the same way when Namath's "4,000" mark was shattered. "Fouts is in a WAY more friendly passing era". I sure won't begrudge Andrew Luck when he throws for 5,500 yards in an 18 game season to break Brees record. Maybe it's different for Marino and his fans, since he just wasn't good enough to get his team a Superbowl victory. Having this record was really the only thing he could hang his hat on.I'm laser focused on a Saints Superbowl victory. That's really all that matters. This record is slightly above meaningless for me.

Marino is the only QB to break the TD and Yards Passing mark in the same season with 48/5,084 so I think that will stand for a long time until they lengthen the season.

 

[urbanhack]

As a person who was present in the stadium when Marino took over for David Woodley and never looked back, a person who watched just about every throw Marino ever made, a lifelong fan...congrads to Brees for breaking a 27 year old record. I feel Marino's season was far more memorable but that doesn't take away from what Brees did. Marino was the first to break 5,000 yards and Brees is the first person to break 5,000 yards twice in his career.

thanks for chiming in.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.

He's got a Facebook group you can join.

 

[Henry Ford]

I was mad at Marino for a long time because he single handedly kept the "Shuffle" Bears from going undefeated. Looking back, I'm so glad he did. That Bears team is completely insufferable now, I can't imagine what they would have been like had they had a perfect season. What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.All this talk of who had what better season is bunk, and takes away from the guy that breaks the record. Jets fans were probably crying the same way when Namath's "4,000" mark was shattered. "Fouts is in a WAY more friendly passing era". I sure won't begrudge Andrew Luck when he throws for 5,500 yards in an 18 game season to break Brees record. Maybe it's different for Marino and his fans, since he just wasn't good enough to get his team a Superbowl victory. Having this record was really the only thing he could hang his hat on.I'm laser focused on a Saints Superbowl victory. That's really all that matters. This record is slightly above meaningless for me.

Marino is the only QB to break the TD and Yards Passing mark in the same season with 48/5,084 so I think that will stand for a long time until they lengthen the season.

If Brees breaks the passing yardage and completion percentage records in the same season, I think that's pretty likely to stand for a long time. I believe he'll be the only player to break those together. Long passes correlate to TDs. They don't correlate to completion percentage in quite the same way.

 

[gianmarco]

I was mad at Marino for a long time because he single handedly kept the "Shuffle" Bears from going undefeated. Looking back, I'm so glad he did. That Bears team is completely insufferable now, I can't imagine what they would have been like had they had a perfect season. What the hell is Wilbur Marshall doing these days anyway? Yandek, get on that.All this talk of who had what better season is bunk, and takes away from the guy that breaks the record. Jets fans were probably crying the same way when Namath's "4,000" mark was shattered. "Fouts is in a WAY more friendly passing era". I sure won't begrudge Andrew Luck when he throws for 5,500 yards in an 18 game season to break Brees record. Maybe it's different for Marino and his fans, since he just wasn't good enough to get his team a Superbowl victory. Having this record was really the only thing he could hang his hat on.I'm laser focused on a Saints Superbowl victory. That's really all that matters. This record is slightly above meaningless for me.

Marino is the only QB to break the TD and Yards Passing mark in the same season with 48/5,084 so I think that will stand for a long time until they lengthen the season.

If Brees breaks the passing yardage and completion percentage records in the same season, I think that's pretty likely to stand for a long time. I believe he'll be the only player to break those together. Long passes correlate to TDs. They don't correlate to completion percentage in quite the same way.

He has indeed broken both in the same season.5476 passing yards46 TDs14 INTs71.2% completion percentage (breaking record of 70.6%)Saints total yards -- 7456 and counting (2000 Rams record of 7075 broken too)