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To say he should not have thrown the ball to that receiver (obviously) is not the same as "he shoud have run". Or Aikman saying he would have got 10 to 15 yards (doubts).

But I think he could have got 5 on the ground.

The thing is, he just didn't see the defender's position. He shouldn't throw in that circumstance. But if you don't see a defender should you run anyway?

 
What a surprise. This self absorbed pos can't even go over a day after a huge loss to his team, without already discussing his retirement. Give it a rest Brent. It's always going to be about you, bum. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

 
If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow
You are forgetting the fact that Longwell missed what most would have considered an automatic field goal from about that range just one week before. I'm amazed at how many people are thinking Favre tried to "squeeze" the ball in there on that last pass. The ball was going right to the receiver (even with an across the body throw). The defender that made a break on the ball (was also the only guy within 5 yards) was coming full speed and and at a perfectly concealed angle to the ball...I don't Manning or Brees would have seen him coming either. It's not like he was trying to thread the needle...it was just an excellent play by the defender to be at the exact point at the exact time.
Sorry...Id take a 50/50 shot at a FG over giving the other team the ball any day of the week.
Do you suppose that if Favre had tried to run, gained 5-6 yards and Longwell had missed the FG you would be saying you would much rather have had the chance of completing a pass over losing on a missed 50+ yard FG? Hindsight is often quite good ...
 
Lot of people claiming the 50-yarder was any kind of gimme is funny. That kick would have been for a trip to the Super Bowl and from 50 yards. What happens on that kick? Longwell has to line drive the kick most likely and the Saints were going to be going full force to block it and any push up the middle knocks that ball down, most likely behind the line of scrimmage. Who is there to defend and tackle the Saints if that situation does happen?

Lets put the Interception into perspective a bit. Either gain 10+ yards to make the kick ~45 or less by trying to make a play or bomb the ball down field. If the line protects Favre, I think they take a shot down field rather than try to settle for a 50 yard field goal attempt. No way, as a coach, as a player, do I want to rest my chances on a line drive 50-yard field goal attempt. Put the teams into overtime as a worse case scenario because a blocked field goal with the possibility of a run back is a tunnel I would not want to go down.

 
If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow
You are forgetting the fact that Longwell missed what most would have considered an automatic field goal from about that range just one week before. I'm amazed at how many people are thinking Favre tried to "squeeze" the ball in there on that last pass. The ball was going right to the receiver (even with an across the body throw). The defender that made a break on the ball (was also the only guy within 5 yards) was coming full speed and and at a perfectly concealed angle to the ball...I don't Manning or Brees would have seen him coming either. It's not like he was trying to thread the needle...it was just an excellent play by the defender to be at the exact point at the exact time.
Sorry...Id take a 50/50 shot at a FG over giving the other team the ball any day of the week.
Do you suppose that if Favre had tried to run, gained 5-6 yards and Longwell had missed the FG you would be saying you would much rather have had the chance of completing a pass over losing on a missed 50+ yard FG? Hindsight is often quite good ...
Hindsight is good...but one of the first things you learn as a QB is to not do what Favre did. It was a rookie like mistake.Quit excusing it...Favre even realizes he should have run it. He knows it. Why can't some of you admit it?
 
Lot of people claiming the 50-yarder was any kind of gimme is funny. That kick would have been for a trip to the Super Bowl and from 50 yards. What happens on that kick? Longwell has to line drive the kick most likely and the Saints were going to be going full force to block it and any push up the middle knocks that ball down, most likely behind the line of scrimmage. Who is there to defend and tackle the Saints if that situation does happen? Lets put the Interception into perspective a bit. Either gain 10+ yards to make the kick ~45 or less by trying to make a play or bomb the ball down field. If the line protects Favre, I think they take a shot down field rather than try to settle for a 50 yard field goal attempt. No way, as a coach, as a player, do I want to rest my chances on a line drive 50-yard field goal attempt. Put the teams into overtime as a worse case scenario because a blocked field goal with the possibility of a run back is a tunnel I would not want to go down.
When you are in a dome with one of the more accurate kickers out there.You take the shot at the 50 yard FG.Any coach would...not sure you would find a single NFL coach that would not take the 50 yarder over trying a hail mary pass there. :excited:
 
Lot of people claiming the 50-yarder was any kind of gimme is funny. That kick would have been for a trip to the Super Bowl and from 50 yards. What happens on that kick? Longwell has to line drive the kick most likely and the Saints were going to be going full force to block it and any push up the middle knocks that ball down, most likely behind the line of scrimmage. Who is there to defend and tackle the Saints if that situation does happen? Lets put the Interception into perspective a bit. Either gain 10+ yards to make the kick ~45 or less by trying to make a play or bomb the ball down field. If the line protects Favre, I think they take a shot down field rather than try to settle for a 50 yard field goal attempt. No way, as a coach, as a player, do I want to rest my chances on a line drive 50-yard field goal attempt. Put the teams into overtime as a worse case scenario because a blocked field goal with the possibility of a run back is a tunnel I would not want to go down.
So better to just not take the kick and put your fate into the flip of a coin in overtime? :rolleyes:It is undeniable that Favre cost the Vikings a good shot to win the game. Did it have risk? Sure, it could be blocked, but the chance of a block and run back for a TD were extremely remote, far less than the shot at making the FG. And BTW, no matter what else would happen, that FG attempt would have ended regulation. Anything else is sophistry.
 
Lot of people claiming the 50-yarder was any kind of gimme is funny. That kick would have been for a trip to the Super Bowl and from 50 yards. What happens on that kick? Longwell has to line drive the kick most likely and the Saints were going to be going full force to block it and any push up the middle knocks that ball down, most likely behind the line of scrimmage. Who is there to defend and tackle the Saints if that situation does happen? Lets put the Interception into perspective a bit. Either gain 10+ yards to make the kick ~45 or less by trying to make a play or bomb the ball down field. If the line protects Favre, I think they take a shot down field rather than try to settle for a 50 yard field goal attempt. No way, as a coach, as a player, do I want to rest my chances on a line drive 50-yard field goal attempt. Put the teams into overtime as a worse case scenario because a blocked field goal with the possibility of a run back is a tunnel I would not want to go down.
Longwell was 8 for 8 on FGs 50 yards or longer over the past two seasons.
 
Lot of people claiming the 50-yarder was any kind of gimme is funny. That kick would have been for a trip to the Super Bowl and from 50 yards. What happens on that kick? Longwell has to line drive the kick most likely and the Saints were going to be going full force to block it and any push up the middle knocks that ball down, most likely behind the line of scrimmage. Who is there to defend and tackle the Saints if that situation does happen? Lets put the Interception into perspective a bit. Either gain 10+ yards to make the kick ~45 or less by trying to make a play or bomb the ball down field. If the line protects Favre, I think they take a shot down field rather than try to settle for a 50 yard field goal attempt. No way, as a coach, as a player, do I want to rest my chances on a line drive 50-yard field goal attempt. Put the teams into overtime as a worse case scenario because a blocked field goal with the possibility of a run back is a tunnel I would not want to go down.
Longwell was 8 for 8 on FGs 50 yards or longer over the past two seasons.
Career he is 74% from 40-49 and 61% from 50+.Id say those would trend up in a dome as well.
 
Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.
:rolleyes: Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.
So if he ran and got hit from behind and fumbled it would have been better? I find it amusing so many people can only look at a narrow window to blame Favre for this. Sure he threw a bad pass at a bad time but the whole game dictated what happened on that play.
 
Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.
:wub: Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.
So if he ran and got hit from behind and fumbled it would have been better? I find it amusing so many people can only look at a narrow window to blame Favre for this. Sure he threw a bad pass at a bad time but the whole game dictated what happened on that play.
I love how your hypothetical guarantees a negative outcome rather than talking about probabilities. If he ran and a roof tile fell on him IS THAT BETTER!?!Favre is not a fumbler, and you can tuck the ball while scrambling. He also demonstrated enough pocket awareness to have already evaded the pass rushers anyway. So yes, taking off and scrambling was a far better option than wildly throwing across his body into the middle of the field like he did. Not even close.
 
Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.
:wall: Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.
So if he ran and got hit from behind and fumbled it would have been better? I find it amusing so many people can only look at a narrow window to blame Favre for this. Sure he threw a bad pass at a bad time but the whole game dictated what happened on that play.
Captain answered...but in addition...where are there that many people just blaming Favre for the game?They blame him for that pass...they should...it was a terrible decision.
 
interesting comments by Joe Posnanski. I clearly remember the play he is talking about - it happened directly in front of my seats at Lambeau, but for some reason can't remember which game it was. I have a vague recollection it was a playoff game or an otherwise big game, but that's it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...avre/index.html

Run, Brett, run! Favre fresh out of miracles in NFC championship loss

I will admit up front that that in this particular case the details are foggy in my memory -- but the emotions are not foggy at all. I suspect some of you Packer fans will remember the details better. This was maybe three or four or five years ago. I'm pretty sure it was a playoff game (but it might not have been), and I'm pretty sure this happened near the end of the first half. It was third down for the Packers, and they were somewhere near their opponent's goal line, maybe the 5-yard line or so.

Here's how I remember it: Brett Favre rolled right and was looking for an open receiver. And as he rolled right it became clear that, if he was willing to try, he had a good chance to run into the end zone. From the television angle, it looked like he might get hit, but he had a good chance to score. Instead though, he tried this crazy, "get this ball away from me" shovel pass that -- again, my memory of this could be slightly off -- should have been intercepted by nine of the 11 defenders on the other team.

The thing I DO remember -- and remember clearly -- was how the announcers got a big ol' chuckle about it. Ha ha! Look at that gunslinger Brett Favre! Trying to make something happen. That guy's crazy! He's like a kid out there! It's like he's designing plays in the dirt with sticks! Ha ha! They were yucking it up something fierce, which is why I remember the moment so clearly. I was furious. This guy just GAVE UP ON THE PLAY. Gunslinger, my Heinie Manush. The guy did not want to get hit.

And look, I'm not blaming the guy -- I wouldn't want to get hit, either -- but this was BRETT FAVRE, the ultimate gamer, the ultimate fighter, the ultimate ultimater, the guy who would do anything to win, the Farviest Favre in all the Favre. Nobody in their right mind would ever question the toughness of Brett Favre -- the guy has played in a bajillion straight games and he has played through countless injuries and he does jeans commercials. But what my eyes were telling me was that he had absolutely NO INTEREST in sticking his head in there and trying to help his team win a game. And the announcers that day did not say anything about THAT... I suspect because it did not fit the image, did not match their preparation, clashed with everything they knew to be true about Brett Favre.

I remember talking about this with friends at the time -- we were all, more or less, in agreement about it. But then, the moment just kind of faded into the background -- hey, Brett Favre's body of work trumped this one sour moment. All those big plays! All those last-second comebacks! All those hits he took! So, fine, one game, he did not want to stick his nose in there. Big deal.

Only I never quite forgot it. And just about every time I watched Favre play, I would notice that once or twice a game when he had a chance to run and gain some easy yards, well, he flatly refused. Hey, I understand -- Favre never was a running quarterback and certainly is not now. He's a man. He's 40. He doesn't need to be putting himself in harm's way.

But, I have to say, some of these refusals to run were almost comical. I was at a game this year against Cincinnati when he rolled out and had about 30 yards of open space -- no kidding, 30 yards. He had so much open space that he could not help himself... he did cross the line of scrimmage by a good 8 or 9 yards. But then he seemed to realize what he was doing ("Hey, wait a minute, I'm RUNNING!"), and he panicked, and he actually stepped back and THREW THE BALL. It was pure insanity -- the officials were so boggled by the maneuver that it took them a second or two to throw the flag. It was one of the weirder plays I've seen.

All of this, of course, leads to the moment on Sunday when the Vikings had the ball at the New Orleans 32 with a minute to go. Well, you know the whole situation. The score was tied. The Vikings would have faced a 50-yard field goal to win the game. Now, obviously, 50 yards is a long field goal -- you would love to get your kicker a few more yards. But it should be noted that Ryan Longwell, the Vikings kicker, was 8 for 8 at 50-plus-yard field goals the last two years. And this game was indoors... he was an awfully good bet to nail a 50-yarder.

But, OK, you want to get him a few yards. But what you DO NOT want to do is allow Brett Favre to throw the ball. I think that's pretty obvious. Favre has many strengths as one of the game's all-time quarterbacks, but "making safe throws" ain't one of them (I don't care how well he cut down on interceptions this year). So, the Vikings ran the ball on first down, and ran down the clock. They ran the ball on second down for no yards, and ran down the clock. I can't exactly blame the Vikings for these calls, but there didn't seem much purpose to them. Hey, if you're going to to do that, why not just run a couple of quarterback sneaks and gain two or three yards. That's all they really need to do there.

Third down, timeout, and suddenly the Vikings realize, damn, they might want to get their kicker a few more yards and make his kick a little easier. Sensible. And that's when they pulled off one of the all-time dumb penalties in championship game history -- a 12-men in the huddle catastrophe. After a timeout. That's a gutterball in the 10th frame. That's a triple bogey on 18. That's an air-balled free throw. Yes, every so often in sports you will see something that is, unquestionably, a choke. That was a choke.

So now it was a 55-yard kick, which is too far, and the Vikings had no choice but to try and get Longwell a little bit closer. Play call selection: They decided to roll out Favre. Again, sensible. This cuts the field in half (presumably) and would give Favre the easy option to throw the ball away or run with it if the primary receiver is not open.

The play gave Favre that exact option. By NFL standards, he had plenty of time to make his choice. Favre determined that his primary receiver was covered.*

*I've heard some people disagree and say there was an open receiver on Favre's side, but Favre saw what he saw.

And this is where I thought back to that game three or four years ago when Favre shouted "Uncle" in the middle of a play. This time, Favre absolutely had an opening to run with the ball. No, he probably was not going to get a lot of yards, but he did not need a lot of yards. It sure looked like there were 5 or 6 yards there for the taking, even for a sluggish 40-year-old quarterback who had been beat up during the game. And that was all the Vikings really needed. Five or six yards. Then bring out Longwell.

Here was the "gamer" moment. Here was Brett Favre's chance to sacrifice his body to give the Vikings a chance to go to the Super Bowl. This was his chance to cement the legacy, to provide the lasting image of the ongoing television series: "Brett Favre, the man who will do anything to win." This was the time. And as I watched him on TV -- even though I wanted New Orleans to reach the Super Bowl* -- I actually shouted: RUN!

*With New Orleans now going to the Super Bowl, as you probably know, there are only four teams that have never been to a Super Bowl. But --- no offense -- Jacksonville has only been in the league since 1995 and so doesn't really count.

That leaves three. But two of those have their own history. Houston has never had a Super Bowl team, but "Houston" represents two teams. The Oilers did not reach the Super Bowl from 1966 through 1996, but they became the Tennessee Titans and they DID go to the Super Bowl then. The Texans have not reached the Super Bowl from 2002 to present.

The Cleveland Browns, though the team name hasn't changed, have almost precisely the same story. My childhood Browns did not go to the Super Bowl from 1966 to 1995, but they became the Baltimore Ravens (grrr) and they DID go to the Super Bowl then (and they won). The new Cleveland Browns have not reached the Super Bowl from 1999 to present.

So the cities of Houston and Cleveland have not had a Super Bowl, but their teams have.

That leaves only one true Super Bowl-less team in my mind -- the Detroit Lions.

Yes, I shouted "Run!" at the TV. It was a reflex. But, of course, Brett Favre did not run. He clearly had no intention of running. Instead, he attempted the single dumbest pass anyone can remember -- a rolling right, throwing left, cross-his-body back-to-the-middle-of-the-field pass, the sort of pass they teach you not to throw about 47 minutes after you are born.*

*First lesson: This is how you breast feed. Second lesson: Cry and someone will change your diaper. Third lesson: In the NFL, you don't throw across your body back into the middle of the field.

The play has been dissected to death already -- and rightfully so -- and there is no shortage of things Favre SHOULD HAVE DONE instead of throwing that pass. Hell, he could have stopped in the middle of the play and started doing an interpretive dance to protest the treatment of Conan O'Brien and THAT would have been smarter than what he did.

But as I watched him throw the interception that added one more chapter of grief to the sad story of the Minnesota Vikings, I wondered one more time: "What Makes Brett Favre NOT run?" Here is one of the toughest players in NFL history. Here is a man who, unquestionably, plays football with joy and fervor. Here is a man who head-butts teammates and slaps the helmets of men who sack him. Here is Brett Favre who had brought the Vikings back IN THIS VERY GAME.

So: What makes Brett Favre NOT run? I suppose there could be a pretty interesting novel written about that. But I don't think anyone would want to read it.
 
The play has been dissected to death already -- and rightfully so -- and there is no shortage of things Favre SHOULD HAVE DONE instead of throwing that pass. Hell, he could have stopped in the middle of the play and started doing an interpretive dance to protest the treatment of Conan O'Brien and THAT would have been smarter than what he did.
:moneybag: :lmao: I don't care who you are...that is funny right there.
 
I think the play he's talking about was also against the Bengals, but in 2005? L 21-14

Same game where a fan ran onto the field and took the ball from Favre.

edit: guess not, that was an away game.

 
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I think the play he's talking about was also against the Bengals, but in 2005? L 21-14Same game where a fan ran onto the field and took the ball from Favre.edit: guess not, that was an away game.
A friend refreshed my recollection. It was the playoff game against the Vikings approx. 2005 (when Randy Moss mooned the north end zone - Favre had about 4 picks and the Packers lost at home after beating the Vikings a week or two earlier in Mnlps.) On the play, it seemed Favre could easily have made a first down (somewhere inside the 5), and possibly scored, but he shoveled the ball to a Packer in the end zone and was flagged for having crossed the line. I recall he shoveled the ball forward while zipping out of bounds, and it seemed at the time that he could have just fallen forward with the ball and had a first down, but would have taken a big hit. I don't necessarily agree with all the comments in this article, just thought it brought back some memories and made some decent points regarding Favre's tough-guy image.
 
Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.
:goodposting: Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.
So if he ran and got hit from behind and fumbled it would have been better? I find it amusing so many people can only look at a narrow window to blame Favre for this. Sure he threw a bad pass at a bad time but the whole game dictated what happened on that play.
I love how your hypothetical guarantees a negative outcome rather than talking about probabilities. If he ran and a roof tile fell on him IS THAT BETTER!?!Favre is not a fumbler, and you can tuck the ball while scrambling. He also demonstrated enough pocket awareness to have already evaded the pass rushers anyway. So yes, taking off and scrambling was a far better option than wildly throwing across his body into the middle of the field like he did. Not even close.
You said "Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that." I gave an example of another play that would be just as bad. Once again you narrow the window to fit your needs.Pocket awareness was good but what does that have to do with fumbling outside of getting the ball tucked. Once it's tucked it can still be stripped as Peterson has found out. Also most QB's DO NOT tuck the ball very well. How did you determine Favre is not a fumbler? Just went to Football Reference and of active players since 1991 Favre is #8 on the list. Not as many lost as I thought but seems he does fumble more than other QB's.You point was anything would be better than the pass I simply proved you wrong. How about 12 men on the field and getting moved out of FG range and being forced to pass versus run?
 
Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.
:goodposting: Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.
So if he ran and got hit from behind and fumbled it would have been better? I find it amusing so many people can only look at a narrow window to blame Favre for this. Sure he threw a bad pass at a bad time but the whole game dictated what happened on that play.
I love how your hypothetical guarantees a negative outcome rather than talking about probabilities. If he ran and a roof tile fell on him IS THAT BETTER!?!Favre is not a fumbler, and you can tuck the ball while scrambling. He also demonstrated enough pocket awareness to have already evaded the pass rushers anyway. So yes, taking off and scrambling was a far better option than wildly throwing across his body into the middle of the field like he did. Not even close.
You said "Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that." I gave an example of another play that would be just as bad. Once again you narrow the window to fit your needs.Pocket awareness was good but what does that have to do with fumbling outside of getting the ball tucked. Once it's tucked it can still be stripped as Peterson has found out. Also most QB's DO NOT tuck the ball very well. How did you determine Favre is not a fumbler? Just went to Football Reference and of active players since 1991 Favre is #8 on the list. Not as many lost as I thought but seems he does fumble more than other QB's.You point was anything would be better than the pass I simply proved you wrong. How about 12 men on the field and getting moved out of FG range and being forced to pass versus run?
I know you have lots of practice tilting at windmills defending Romo, but honestly it's getting a bit embarrasing for you now.
 

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