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[Wreckincrew]

He was not the sole reason they lost, & he wouldn't have been the sole reason if they had won. It is a TEAM game after all.

The fact that the Vikings were still in the game after losing the turnover battle 5-1 is still amazing to me. The Saints offense went cold in the 2nd half and needed a big special teams play, a somewhat questionable PI penalty AND a questionable catch (that I thought should have been reversed) to even get into FG range. If Indy avoids the stupid turnovers I don't think Brees & company will be able to keep up.

 

[datonn]

Favre got knocked around by the Saints like a rag doll, and he was still out there...giving what he had to help the team try to win the game. He messed up that final pass (should have just run for what he could have gotten and called timeout), but 13-5 and an NFC Championship Game was about five wins (including one playoff win) more than us Vikings fans would have gotten out of TJax/Rosenfels.

So THANK YOU, Brett Favre! I had a blast in 2009, and even though we didn't get to the Super Bowl, it was a fun ride while it lasted.

 

[Mario Kart]

Well, color me bummed. Two turnovers in the redzone rarely wins the game. There was no reason why the Vikings were not up by two touchdowns going into the fourth quarter. The better team did not win today, in theory, because the Vikings dominated the Saints, per the stats, minus the most important one.

Oh well, there is always next year to root for the Vikings and Favre.

 

[tdoss]

??? I don't get that line of reasoning. "Feeling he had to win the game himself" caused him to throw the ball late back over the middle across his body, rather than running for the yardage to get them in field goal range and calling a timeout?Listen, I'm not saying HE lost them the game--there is plenty of blame to go around. But come on guys--his decision on that play cost his team a chance to kick the game-winning field goal and a shot at the Super Bowl. If you dispute that, you're just not in touch with reality...

Peterson fumble inside the 10.Berrian fumble inside the 10.12 men on the field.All before the bad pass and it was a bad pass.

Say what now?That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

 

[Mario Kart]

??? I don't get that line of reasoning. "Feeling he had to win the game himself" caused him to throw the ball late back over the middle across his body, rather than running for the yardage to get them in field goal range and calling a timeout?Listen, I'm not saying HE lost them the game--there is plenty of blame to go around. But come on guys--his decision on that play cost his team a chance to kick the game-winning field goal and a shot at the Super Bowl. If you dispute that, you're just not in touch with reality...

Peterson fumble inside the 10.Berrian fumble inside the 10.12 men on the field.All before the bad pass and it was a bad pas

Say what now?That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

That is how the stat line reads, of course. Watch the replay, the ball was there, Peterson never grabbed it.

 

[Crippler]

Favre played a pretty good game, but not good enough to overcome the fumbles and weak special teams. But good enough to match New Orleans (a great team, I think) through regular play.It was a bad pass. All QBs make them at some point. Not sure it was "classic Favre" anymore than last week was against Dallas. Or when Manning or Brady have done the same thing. What I will say is that everyone discussing how he should have run the ball on that play is pretty willfully ignorant. He was doing his best to walk at that point and none of us have any idea what shape his ankle was in.

I cant even believe people talk about that pass in the end. Yes. Maybe he should have run but the guy was beat up and that ankle was probably swollen beyond belief. Maybe he gets 10 yards and maybe he does not. He decided to take a chance to give them a chance to win the game still. If he runs and comes up short(which I think he does because of the bad ankle) than they are in the same boat. He was not going to lose them the game with the throw and might have won it. Maybe they get a BS phantom PI call like the Saints did in overtime. It was well worth the gamble IMO at the time. I thought Brett showed everything he was about in that game and why Vikings fans enjoyed themselves this year. This was was on the fumbles in the end. Stopped drives and setup a score for the Saints. I am a Packer fan and truly enjoy watching Brett play and yesterdays game was the reason why. I thought the game winning drive for the Saints was full of bad calls. I thought the Vikings got zero breaks in the game really. Twice Brees should have been picked but was not. The better team lost overall and it was all on Berrian, Peterson and Harvin. I agree the fumble charged to Brett was BS. That was all Peterson. He put the ball where it should be and Peterson did not open up like he should. If Peterson can get more than zero yards when they where in FG range on 2 carries or if the team does not get caught up 12 men. than no one talks about a pass attempt, that I personally would have taken a chance on also.

 

[FavreCo]

Say what now?

That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.

I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

Obviously you were not watching the game. Either that or you are clueless. Which is it? The replay clearly showed that Favre tried to put it in Peterson's gut and Peterson did not have his arems spread apart enough to fit the all between them....and that's Favre's fault. The clueless make me laugh.

 

[Two Deep]

??? I don't get that line of reasoning. "Feeling he had to win the game himself" caused him to throw the ball late back over the middle across his body, rather than running for the yardage to get them in field goal range and calling a timeout?Listen, I'm not saying HE lost them the game--there is plenty of blame to go around. But come on guys--his decision on that play cost his team a chance to kick the game-winning field goal and a shot at the Super Bowl. If you dispute that, you're just not in touch with reality...

Peterson fumble inside the 10.Berrian fumble inside the 10.12 men on the field.All before the bad pass and it was a bad pas

Say what now?That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

That is how the stat line reads, of course. Watch the replay, the ball was there, Peterson never grabbed it.

Peterson would have had a hard time grabbing and holding onto his own balls last night.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

We have him, and you don't.

You won't be feeling this way soon enough. I'll wait until then to bump this.

I love that these are the first two posts in this thread. Brett Favre is Packers fans hot-but-psycho ex girlfriend. Yeah, she's still hot and you had some memories and it sucks to see her on the arm of your rival from the neighborhood and to imagine her hooking up with him, but you just know that that dude will learn just how psycho she is soon enough.

 

[The Moz]

If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow

 

[sho nuff]

Favre played a pretty good game, but not good enough to overcome the fumbles and weak special teams. But good enough to match New Orleans (a great team, I think) through regular play.It was a bad pass. All QBs make them at some point. Not sure it was "classic Favre" anymore than last week was against Dallas. Or when Manning or Brady have done the same thing. What I will say is that everyone discussing how he should have run the ball on that play is pretty willfully ignorant. He was doing his best to walk at that point and none of us have any idea what shape his ankle was in.

If he was hurt so bad...why have him rolling out though.He could have run for 5 or so yards...much better than throwing an INT.Again...its not all on him.Also ironic that in a season where he showed how, as a vet, he could be more careful with the ball...he made what most what call a rookie mistake...running one way and throwing across his body to the middle of the field. I think that is what people are calling "classic Favre". The mistake of thinking he could fit a ball in there.Great season for sure. But a bad end that now leaves the Vikings wondering for a bit.How long do they give him to decide? By the draft?

 

[sho nuff]

Favre played a pretty good game, but not good enough to overcome the fumbles and weak special teams. But good enough to match New Orleans (a great team, I think) through regular play.

It was a bad pass. All QBs make them at some point. Not sure it was "classic Favre" anymore than last week was against Dallas. Or when Manning or Brady have done the same thing.

What I will say is that everyone discussing how he should have run the ball on that play is pretty willfully ignorant. He was doing his best to walk at that point and none of us have any idea what shape his ankle was in.

I cant even believe people talk about that pass in the end. Yes. Maybe he should have run but the guy was beat up and that ankle was probably swollen beyond belief. Maybe he gets 10 yards and maybe he does not. He decided to take a chance to give them a chance to win the game still. If he runs and comes up short(which I think he does because of the bad ankle) than they are in the same boat. He was not going to lose them the game with the throw and might have won it. Maybe they get a BS phantom PI call like the Saints did in overtime. It was well worth the gamble IMO at the time. I thought Brett showed everything he was about in that game and why Vikings fans enjoyed themselves this year. This was was on the fumbles in the end. Stopped drives and setup a score for the Saints. I am a Packer fan and truly enjoy watching Brett play and yesterdays game was the reason why. I thought the game winning drive for the Saints was full of bad calls. I thought the Vikings got zero breaks in the game really. Twice Brees should have been picked but was not. The better team lost overall and it was all on Berrian, Peterson and Harvin. I agree the fumble charged to Brett was BS. That was all Peterson. He put the ball where it should be and Peterson did not open up like he should. If Peterson can get more than zero yards when they where in FG range on 2 carries or if the team does not get caught up 12 men. than no one talks about a pass attempt, that I personally would have taken a chance on also.

How would they be in the same boat had he come up short on the run?They had a timeout left and that play was 3rd down.

They would have had 4th down...and either a chance at a long FG or a chance to throw a miracle pass into the endzone.

 

[sho nuff]

Say what now?

That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.

I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

Obviously you were not watching the game. Either that or you are clueless. Which is it? The replay clearly showed that Favre tried to put it in Peterson's gut and Peterson did not have his arems spread apart enough to fit the all between them....and that's Favre's fault. The clueless make me laugh.

As do those who make such a statement not seeing where Peterson's bottom arm really was either.I won't say it was all on either of them.

Its Favre's job to stuff that ball in there...its Peterson's to have his arms open enough to receive it. Neither did their job.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Favre played a pretty good game, but not good enough to overcome the fumbles and weak special teams. But good enough to match New Orleans (a great team, I think) through regular play.

It was a bad pass. All QBs make them at some point. Not sure it was "classic Favre" anymore than last week was against Dallas. Or when Manning or Brady have done the same thing.

What I will say is that everyone discussing how he should have run the ball on that play is pretty willfully ignorant. He was doing his best to walk at that point and none of us have any idea what shape his ankle was in.

If he was hurt so bad...why have him rolling out though.He could have run for 5 or so yards...much better than throwing an INT.

Again...its not all on him.

Also ironic that in a season where he showed how, as a vet, he could be more careful with the ball...he made what most what call a rookie mistake...running one way and throwing across his body to the middle of the field. I think that is what people are calling "classic Favre". The mistake of thinking he could fit a ball in there.

Great season for sure. But a bad end that now leaves the Vikings wondering for a bit.

How long do they give him to decide? By the draft?

 

[Bull Dozier]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

 

[TobiasFunke]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

 

[smackdaddies]

70 % Passing Rating. Do we really have to discuss how bad Farve sucked last night? He made horrible decisions.

JS Headline Says it All - "Opps, Same Old Brett"

He is the Barry Sanders of QB's - plays that take your breath away, plays that make you hurl

 

[Bull Dozier]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

 

[TobiasFunke]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

No, you didn't. You said you can't expect Favre to run. I'm saying that you CAN expect Favre to run, since he's a professional football player and should be able to run five yards to the sideline or to a slide with the season on the line. If Favre had played by the same rules as every other non-holdout player in the league and gone to training camp and followed the advice of the team, he might have been in physical condition to show some onions and make a five-yard scramble to put his team in position to make the Super Bowl. Sure, he's old, but he scrambled a couple times when it was absolutely necessary in past years. But this year he was a creaky old man who throws the ball and does nothing else. That's in part due to age, but it's impossible to know if he would have been in-shape enough to do it if he'd acted like an NFL football player, since he chose not to. Other players get heat all the time for not being in physical condition due to missed training camps as a result of contract disputes, why are we giving Favre a pass?

Your argument that throwing the ball instead of scrambling for a yard or two is just "what Favre does" is not only a terrible excuse, it's also untrue. He's no Randall Cunningham, but even in his old age he's shown he will tuck and run when absolutely necessary (scroll down for rushing numbers, notice even last year he had more than twice as many attempts as this year). This year he couldn't even do it with the Super Bowl on the line. It's fair to ask why not.

 

[sho nuff]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Yes...I would expect any QB in the NFL to not throw it across his body in that situation.I would expect a long time Vet who controlled his INTs to a very low 7 this year to do that.Just as I expected my QB not to throw the INT on his first pass of the game against the Cardinals when he was inches from just stepping out of bounds.And yes...the entire team did fail at one point or another...including Brett.I see very few people trying to blame it all on him.

 

[Bull Dozier]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

No, you didn't. You said you can't expect Favre to run. I'm saying that you CAN expect Favre to run, since he's a professional football player and should be able to run five yards to the sideline or to a slide with the season on the line. If Favre had played by the same rules as every other non-holdout player in the league and gone to training camp and followed the advice of the team, he might have been in physical condition to show some onions and make a five-yard scramble to put his team in position to make the Super Bowl. Sure, he's old, but he scrambled a couple times when it was absolutely necessary in past years. But this year he was a creaky old man who throws the ball and does nothing else. That's in part due to age, but it's impossible to know if he would have been in-shape enough to do it if he'd acted like an NFL football player, since he chose not to. Other players get heat all the time for not being in physical condition due to missed training camps as a result of contract disputes, why are we giving Favre a pass?

Your argument that throwing the ball instead of scrambling for a yard or two is just "what Favre does" is not only a terrible excuse, it's also untrue. He's no Randall Cunningham, but even in his old age he's shown he will tuck and run when absolutely necessary (scroll down for rushing numbers, notice even last year he had more than twice as many attempts as this year). This year he couldn't even do it with the Super Bowl on the line. It's fair to ask why not.

Just so I am clear in what you're claiming, it's your contention that he didn't run there because he is unable?

 

[TobiasFunke]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

No, you didn't. You said you can't expect Favre to run. I'm saying that you CAN expect Favre to run, since he's a professional football player and should be able to run five yards to the sideline or to a slide with the season on the line. If Favre had played by the same rules as every other non-holdout player in the league and gone to training camp and followed the advice of the team, he might have been in physical condition to show some onions and make a five-yard scramble to put his team in position to make the Super Bowl. Sure, he's old, but he scrambled a couple times when it was absolutely necessary in past years. But this year he was a creaky old man who throws the ball and does nothing else. That's in part due to age, but it's impossible to know if he would have been in-shape enough to do it if he'd acted like an NFL football player, since he chose not to. Other players get heat all the time for not being in physical condition due to missed training camps as a result of contract disputes, why are we giving Favre a pass?

Your argument that throwing the ball instead of scrambling for a yard or two is just "what Favre does" is not only a terrible excuse, it's also untrue. He's no Randall Cunningham, but even in his old age he's shown he will tuck and run when absolutely necessary (scroll down for rushing numbers, notice even last year he had more than twice as many attempts as this year). This year he couldn't even do it with the Super Bowl on the line. It's fair to ask why not.

Just so I am clear in what you're claiming, it's your contention that he didn't run there because he is unable?

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable. Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?

What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable. Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

Unwilling and unable are two totally different things. Unable means he's physically unable to run five yards down field. That assertion is eye roll worthy.Unwilling is my claim, and the fact that he has two penalties this year for throwing the ball downfield is not meaningless. It is evidence of his state of mind that he will always try to throw the ball to make a play. His stat sheet you linked earlier showed a clear downward trend of his running attempts. NFL players are not video game displays that you can control. They have tendencies and habits they follow. If Peyton Manning audibles into a play that doesn't work, you can't say "why didn't you run the play called in the huddle?" He audibles all the time, and that's what makes him great. When Barry Sanders was caught behind the line of scrimmage, you can't say "don't dance, just hit the hole" because dancing is what made him great. Favre will always try to make a play down field. It is what has made him a great player. Yes, sometimes it doesn't work, but you can't expect him to change the way he plays on one particular play. Well, of course you can. We all play Monday Morning Quarterback. That's what this entire forum is about. I just think this particular expectation is unrealistic.

 

[Catbird]

Favre got knocked around by the Saints like a rag doll, and he was still out there...giving what he had to help the team try to win the game. He messed up that final pass (should have just run for what he could have gotten and called timeout), but 13-5 and an NFC Championship Game was about five wins (including one playoff win) more than us Vikings fans would have gotten out of TJax/Rosenfels.So THANK YOU, Brett Favre! I had a blast in 2009, and even though we didn't get to the Super Bowl, it was a fun ride while it lasted.

Unless you get into Favre's head you don't know what he was seeing/thinking. Maybe he takes a first step toward FG range and gets taken down by some guy he hadn't seen closing from behind him and the chance is gone? We can see that won't happen, but can he? I think he knows failing to get 10 yards running leaves them in the tie and in the instant he decides the chance to complete the pass is the better option and this one across his body to the only guy partially open is his best shot. Is he too confident in what he can do ... maybe, and that may be the weakness of one of the top QBs ever to play. Was that the best choice given what he could see - not what we could see? Maybe. And the INT is not a downside as that also gets them overtime. The only question is whether he thinks the passing chance is more likely to get the needed yardage than the run. I can't second guess it without knowing just what he knew. Maybe some of you who have been there can?He gets the Viks to where they have no other chance to be and takes them to overtime despite his and their turnovers. Is he perfect. Clearly not. Is he better than all butmaybe 4 or 5 guys on earth at getting his team to win. Yeah. Does the loss fall on fumbles, INTs, that one terrible special teams play, questionable ref calls and on Brees and the Saints fiercely contesting everything. I think yeah. Pointing fingers, threads as to why its all Brett's fault, threads as to why its ADP's fault ... are ludicrous.They had a great year and lost on the road to a top team on several team mistakes - and despite several great team plays. It was a tough loss for the Vikings and lucky win to survive for the Saints.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable. Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

...Unwilling is my claim, and the fact that he has two penalties this year for throwing the ball downfield is not meaningless. It is evidence of his state of mind that he will always try to throw the ball to make a play. His stat sheet you linked earlier showed a clear downward trend of his running attempts. ...

The downward trend was substantially accelerated this year. It's fair to ask whether that was in part because he wasn't in the best possible physical condition, since he chose to avoid the work in July and August.Sure, the guy likes to throw the ball. And I suppose a penalty for throwing past the line of scrimmage is evidence of that. But I doubt any of those few penalties occurred when an obviously preferrable alternative existed, or at least would exist for an average player at that position.It's impossible to know why he did something so terrible. All I'm saying is that it's fair to ask the question of whether his unwillingness to prepare physically played a part.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable. Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

...Unwilling is my claim, and the fact that he has two penalties this year for throwing the ball downfield is not meaningless. It is evidence of his state of mind that he will always try to throw the ball to make a play. His stat sheet you linked earlier showed a clear downward trend of his running attempts. ...

The downward trend was substantially accelerated this year. It's fair to ask whether that was in part because he wasn't in the best possible physical condition, since he chose to avoid the work in July and August.Sure, the guy likes to throw the ball. And I suppose a penalty for throwing past the line of scrimmage is evidence of that. But I doubt any of those few penalties occurred when an obviously preferrable alternative existed, or at least would exist for an average player at that position.It's impossible to know why he did something so terrible. All I'm saying is that it's fair to ask the question of whether his unwillingness to prepare physically played a part.

I don't think you can have watched Favre for the past 17 games and come to the conclusion that his conditioning is suspect. There are numerous examples of him making hussle plays. He's made plays escaping the pocket and making throws on the run.Was he beat up and tired at the end of the season? Yes. I don't think you can claim that was a result of conditioning, though. While he wasn't sacked an extreme number of times this season, he was being hit consistently. He was beat up more in this game than any other on top of that. That all said, I don't think any of that had anything to do with this particular play, for the reasons I've stated earlier.I would agree I think it is fair to ask the question. In my eyes, though, the answer is clear.

 

[zDragon]

Say what now?

That Peterson fumble was ALL Favre.

I know people want to haggle over the 12 man penalty and the int's being his fault but that handoff/fumble was all Favre...it shall not be debated.

Obviously you were not watching the game. Either that or you are clueless. Which is it? The replay clearly showed that Favre tried to put it in Peterson's gut and Peterson did not have his arems spread apart enough to fit the all between them....and that's Favre's fault. The clueless make me laugh.

Aikman did a good job explaining this for non-football guys.

 

[zDragon]

If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow

Doesn't that make it a 51yd field goal at that point. Not a given.

 

[zDragon]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

No, you didn't. You said you can't expect Favre to run. I'm saying that you CAN expect Favre to run, since he's a professional football player and should be able to run five yards to the sideline or to a slide with the season on the line. If Favre had played by the same rules as every other non-holdout player in the league and gone to training camp and followed the advice of the team, he might have been in physical condition to show some onions and make a five-yard scramble to put his team in position to make the Super Bowl. Sure, he's old, but he scrambled a couple times when it was absolutely necessary in past years. But this year he was a creaky old man who throws the ball and does nothing else. That's in part due to age, but it's impossible to know if he would have been in-shape enough to do it if he'd acted like an NFL football player, since he chose not to. Other players get heat all the time for not being in physical condition due to missed training camps as a result of contract disputes, why are we giving Favre a pass?

Your argument that throwing the ball instead of scrambling for a yard or two is just "what Favre does" is not only a terrible excuse, it's also untrue. He's no Randall Cunningham, but even in his old age he's shown he will tuck and run when absolutely necessary (scroll down for rushing numbers, notice even last year he had more than twice as many attempts as this year). This year he couldn't even do it with the Super Bowl on the line. It's fair to ask why not.

Not sure how that prevents a defensive lineman going low at his legs. You saying it wouldn't have happened? Very interesting.

 

[TobiasFunke]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Reading the rest of my post down? I give a clear explanation of why, which has nothing to do with anything you replied with.

No, you didn't. You said you can't expect Favre to run. I'm saying that you CAN expect Favre to run, since he's a professional football player and should be able to run five yards to the sideline or to a slide with the season on the line. If Favre had played by the same rules as every other non-holdout player in the league and gone to training camp and followed the advice of the team, he might have been in physical condition to show some onions and make a five-yard scramble to put his team in position to make the Super Bowl. Sure, he's old, but he scrambled a couple times when it was absolutely necessary in past years. But this year he was a creaky old man who throws the ball and does nothing else. That's in part due to age, but it's impossible to know if he would have been in-shape enough to do it if he'd acted like an NFL football player, since he chose not to. Other players get heat all the time for not being in physical condition due to missed training camps as a result of contract disputes, why are we giving Favre a pass?

Your argument that throwing the ball instead of scrambling for a yard or two is just "what Favre does" is not only a terrible excuse, it's also untrue. He's no Randall Cunningham, but even in his old age he's shown he will tuck and run when absolutely necessary (scroll down for rushing numbers, notice even last year he had more than twice as many attempts as this year). This year he couldn't even do it with the Super Bowl on the line. It's fair to ask why not.

Not sure how that prevents a defensive lineman going low at his legs. You saying it wouldn't have happened? Very interesting.

I'm saying he might have recovered better or more quickly. I have no idea how you got your conclusion from what I wrote.

 

[glock]

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable. Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

...Unwilling is my claim, and the fact that he has two penalties this year for throwing the ball downfield is not meaningless. It is evidence of his state of mind that he will always try to throw the ball to make a play. His stat sheet you linked earlier showed a clear downward trend of his running attempts. ...

The downward trend was substantially accelerated this year. It's fair to ask whether that was in part because he wasn't in the best possible physical condition, since he chose to avoid the work in July and August.Sure, the guy likes to throw the ball. And I suppose a penalty for throwing past the line of scrimmage is evidence of that. But I doubt any of those few penalties occurred when an obviously preferrable alternative existed, or at least would exist for an average player at that position.It's impossible to know why he did something so terrible. All I'm saying is that it's fair to ask the question of whether his unwillingness to prepare physically played a part.

A full NFL schedule gets a veteran ballplayer as in shape as one will ever be come the playoffs. Brett's far from the first vet not to participate in a full training camp. You seem very willing to discount the beating he took in this game. A beating that not many QBs could take and remain standing. His record speaks to that. There are plenty of QBs who- if in his position at that point in the game- could not/would not have attempted to run for it. I believe that if he thought running was the BEST option to get what was needed, he wouldn't have thrown it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Unwilling and unable are basically the same thing, and neither is acceptable.

Why do you think he didn't run for it when he obviously has shown the ability to scramble for a yard or two when necessary in the past? The fact that he takes one or two penalties for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage over an entire season is meaningless. A FG for the Super Bowl was a gutty five yard run away. Do you think he just didn't see it?

What I'm saying is the guy didn't do the same work as everyone else to get himself ready for the season, and then failed to make a play that someone in better shape could have made easily, even at age 40. He didn't feel he had to prepare himself fully for the season in accordance with his team's wishes. Since we'll never really know why he made that horrific play, it's fair to ask the question of whether his lack of conditioning, whether manifested as inability to run or as vulnerability to ankle injury, was a culprit.

...Unwilling is my claim, and the fact that he has two penalties this year for throwing the ball downfield is not meaningless. It is evidence of his state of mind that he will always try to throw the ball to make a play. His stat sheet you linked earlier showed a clear downward trend of his running attempts.

...

The downward trend was substantially accelerated this year. It's fair to ask whether that was in part because he wasn't in the best possible physical condition, since he chose to avoid the work in July and August.Sure, the guy likes to throw the ball. And I suppose a penalty for throwing past the line of scrimmage is evidence of that. But I doubt any of those few penalties occurred when an obviously preferrable alternative existed, or at least would exist for an average player at that position.

It's impossible to know why he did something so terrible. All I'm saying is that it's fair to ask the question of whether his unwillingness to prepare physically played a part.

A full NFL schedule gets a veteran ballplayer as in shape as one will ever be come the playoffs. Brett's far from the first vet not to participate in a full training camp. You seem very willing to discount the beating he took in this game. A beating that not many QBs could take and remain standing. His record speaks to that. There are plenty of QBs who- if in his position at that point in the game- could not/would not have attempted to run for it. I believe that if he thought running was the BEST option to get what was needed, he wouldn't have thrown it.

Good cardio shape, yes. Good shape from a muscle/joint standpoint, no. And Brett didn't just "not participate in a full training camp." He skipped it completely. Even players who are holding out are usually on very rigid training regimens. I saw no evidence that Favre was doing that.I'm not discounting anything, or concluding anything for that matter. I'm just raising the issue. When you don't do the work that everyone else does (or the work that your employer would prefer that you do) to get yourself ready for a season of football,you deserve to be questioned.

As far as the beating goes ... spare me the Chris Berman/Joe Buck Favre-slobbering. Last week a 38 year old Kurt Warner took a far worse beating from the same defense, with far less coddling from the refs, and he stayed in the game. Plenty of QBs can take that sort of "beating."

 

[Bull Dozier]

As far as the beating goes ... spare me the Chris Berman/Joe Buck Favre-slobbering. Last week a 38 year old Kurt Warner took a far worse beating from the same defense, with far less coddling from the refs, and he stayed in the game. Plenty of QBs can take that sort of "beating."

Interesting example to pick when Warner was knocked out of the game in the first half, missed time, came back in the 2nd but didn't finish the game.

 

[glock]

As far as the beating goes ... spare me the Chris Berman/Joe Buck Favre-slobbering. Last week a 38 year old Kurt Warner took a far worse beating from the same defense, with far less coddling from the refs, and he stayed in the game. Plenty of QBs can take that sort of "beating."

Interesting example to pick when Warner was knocked out of the game in the first half, missed time, came back in the 2nd but didn't finish the game.

:crickets:

 

[VIKEfan]

If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow

You are forgetting the fact that Longwell missed what most would have considered an automatic field goal from about that range just one week before. I'm amazed at how many people are thinking Favre tried to "squeeze" the ball in there on that last pass. The ball was going right to the receiver (even with an across the body throw). The defender that made a break on the ball (was also the only guy within 5 yards) was coming full speed and and at a perfectly concealed angle to the ball...I don't Manning or Brees would have seen him coming either. It's not like he was trying to thread the needle...it was just an excellent play by the defender to be at the exact point at the exact time.

 

[Case Ace]

If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow

You are forgetting the fact that Longwell missed what most would have considered an automatic field goal from about that range just one week before. I'm amazed at how many people are thinking Favre tried to "squeeze" the ball in there on that last pass. The ball was going right to the receiver (even with an across the body throw). The defender that made a break on the ball (was also the only guy within 5 yards) was coming full speed and and at a perfectly concealed angle to the ball...I don't Manning or Brees would have seen him coming either. It's not like he was trying to thread the needle...it was just an excellent play by the defender to be at the exact point at the exact time.

Tough to justify giving up a FG attempt to go to the Super Bowl for a throw like that. We'll never know if Longwell would've made it b/c Favre never gave him the chance

 

[TobiasFunke]

As far as the beating goes ... spare me the Chris Berman/Joe Buck Favre-slobbering. Last week a 38 year old Kurt Warner took a far worse beating from the same defense, with far less coddling from the refs, and he stayed in the game. Plenty of QBs can take that sort of "beating."

Interesting example to pick when Warner was knocked out of the game in the first half, missed time, came back in the 2nd but didn't finish the game.

:crickets:

He came back on the field. Warner also took a FAR worse beating, and you know it. And he didn't finish the game because they were down 30 and because he'd taken a head injury.Acting like Favre is a superhero because he stayed in this game is silly. He took a couple shots, big deal. The ankle injury was minor. He's a pocket passer, so mobility isn't a huge deal, obviously. He didn't get sacked once. It's football, sometimes you get hit. I can only speak for the team I watch every game, but my fellow Redskins fans know that Jason Campbell took many, many times worse of a beating every game, and I'm guessing the same is true of many, many QBs who don't have the benefit of an all-pro OL like Favre does. You guys need to stop listening to Peter King and Joe Buck slobbering all over the guy and look at it rationally.

Look, he's a great QB with an amazing arm. but he didn't do anything physically in this game that most QBs in the league wouldn't have done. In fact, I'd say he did a lot less, since most QBs would have had the intelligence or ability or cojones (whichever you think it was) to run five yards and give the team a great chance to win the game.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Brett Favre has been on three teams in the past decade that were Super Bowl worthy. The 2003 and 2007 Packers and the 2009 Vikings. Make no mistake about it, Favre was a big part of the reason why those teams were good enough to play in the big game. Each of those teams met their demise in strikingly similar fashion. The last offensive play for all three teams was a killer Brett Favre interception. Without question there were other factors in each of those games that help decide the outcome. But the last mistake each team made was that killer pick.

 

[jurrassic]

Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Funny how for 17 years Vikings fans bashed everyone who would listen about the constant "Favre can do no wrong" love and now they are bending over themselves to excuse his interception. There was 20 seconds left in the game and Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers from 50 yards and out in the history of the league. It was a horrible, terrible, awful decision by Favre. He is a great qb, one of the best ever, but he has an unbelievable history of choking in the playoffs. Blame the fumbles, blame Childress, etc. but the team had a chance with Longwell kicking. Favre gave them no chance.

:( Hilarious role reversal here, on both sides really.As for Favre's play, he committed the one mistake that you simply cannot do in that situation - turning the ball over. It's inexcusable. Any other outcome on that play would have been better than that.

 

[Spuds_McKenzie]

I don't blame Favre for that loss. There's plenty of blame to go around that's for sure.

AP comes to mind for one. Berrian fumbling inside the 20.

Had the rest of the team done its job the game wouldn't have been close enough to even have Favre throwing the ball.

Was it boneheaded and stupid? Of course it was. It's typical Brett....trying to make a play when there isn't one there.

You get the good with the bad. It is what it is and if he comes back next year, I'll welcome him with open arms.

He's a helluva lot better than TJoke or Sage.

 

[Johnnymac]

First, it was a bad pass. No denying that.

That said, those who are saying "he should have just run for a few yards" are not in touch with reality. Can you expect that of other QBs? Of course. You simply cannot expect Brett Favre to run in that situation. He has, what, two penalties this year for throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage? One might have been preseason, but he had at least one during the regular season. He also had two more where replays showed everything except his back foot was beyond the line when he threw the ball this season. He's always going to try to make a play throwing it. That's Brett. Just like ADP, you take the good and you take the bad.

Favre got the Vikes to this point. Take anyone else off the roster, and it doesn't change much. Everyone was replaceable with the exception of Brett. Favre didn't lose the game for the Vikes, the entire team made mistakes during the game. Favre didn't cost the Vikes the game, the entire team failed at one point or another, multiple times.

Maybe he's not as tough as people say he is, then.Or perhaps he should have come to training camp to get himself in shape, trusting his employer to get him as physically ready for a long season as possible instead of farting around with high school kids in Mississippi unti mid-August.

Not as tough as people say??? Did you watch the game???

 

[pretender]

I think Packers fans have a right to be a little petty tonight. Vikings fans have reveled in our pain from the moment he became a Viking. They boasted when he played almost mistake free football, as if anyone could have realistically predicted that after years of brilliant, but also reckless football. And then we got "I told you so's" when he didn't have his traditional late season fade. Finally, FINALLY the Vikings fans got to experience some of the bad that comes with Brett Favre: the trademark late game INT in the playoffs. And now they are the ones who get to make the excuses. And they're the ones who get to experience some offseason drama. It would have been a shame if Vikings fans weren't allowed to experience the entire package.

Sorry but I have to agree here. He played better than I thought he would. He took Minnesota to the NFC championship game - just as he had done with the Packers and just as he did with the Packers - he threw an illadvised pass to prove to the world that he is the greatest. :dunno: deja vu and too bad that will haunt him for a long time. Nice it happened to someone else this year!

 

[ScottyFargo]

Favre is amazing. There were a lot of mistakes last night that led to a loss of the game, and it actually makes the loss hurt less to know there are people who finally got their chance to pin something on Favre as killing the Vikings season. Please. Peterson fumbles the ball way too much, especially for it being such an important game. The end drive in regulation obviously everybody was jumpy, from the HC on down.

It was an amazing season. I have been convinced all year that Favre was done, but now I am hoping he does come back to give the Vikes another shot. But the team is hurting, Griffin with a torn ACL, Pat Williams also contemplating retirement, Peterson taking a step backward with his ball control. There's an even tougher schedule next year, so we Viking fans could be in a world of hurt again.

But I laugh at the idea that the loss of the game is on Favre, although I expected to see the usual suspects finally get their chance to crow about him. Yeah, he threw an interception. But the Vikes outgained the Saints and tossed around their D for 4 quarters. But there were too many mistakes altogether that held them back.

So big ups to Brett Favre, big ups to the Saints for their win. Vikes had their chance this year, and missed it.

 

[Eric]

As a hardcore Vikings fan, last night hurt terribly. But, it's only a game, and there will be more. I'm happy with how the season went, and I hope Favre comes back for one more. He's still got it, and I think we've got another shot at this next year.

 

[Johnnymac]

As a hardcore Vikings fan, last night hurt terribly. But, it's only a game, and there will be more. I'm happy with how the season went, and I hope Favre comes back for one more. He's still got it, and I think we've got another shot at this next year.

If he comes back next year, I think he will, they will be the favorites to win the Superbowl. I'm a Packer fan so I don't want to see that happen but I would not doubt Brett Favre. I thought he played fantastic all year and was a real warrior last night. No other QB in the league would have been able to take that punishment.

 

[pinequick]

Please stop with the "he could barely walk" schtick in this thread as an excuse for Brett not running it on that final play. Go look at the clip and tell me any hitch in his giddy-up that you see as the play unfolds. There is no limp, there is nothing. Adrenaline is cool like that.

This was "Brett being Brett" as someone above said... he is either brilliant or a bonehead (more often the former than the latter). But in this instance, he was the latter and it cost the Vikings a shot at the Super Bowl.

 

[rowmacks]

As a hardcore Vikings fan, last night hurt terribly. But, it's only a game, and there will be more. I'm happy with how the season went, and I hope Favre comes back for one more. He's still got it, and I think we've got another shot at this next year.

Good luck, Vikes sucked and were extremely lucky to get as far as they did. Everyone seems to forget how soft their schedule was. Lets see... Browns, Detroit X2, SF (should have lost), Rams, Hawks, Bears X2, etc. You have a ridiculously bad coach, no QB, RB that cannot be trusted, D is not even close to what it used to be.. GL Sir. Keep praying for Favre to come back, and if he does I really see the situation getting even worse.

 

[ScottyFargo]

As a hardcore Vikings fan, last night hurt terribly. But, it's only a game, and there will be more. I'm happy with how the season went, and I hope Favre comes back for one more. He's still got it, and I think we've got another shot at this next year.

Good luck, Vikes sucked and were extremely lucky to get as far as they did. Everyone seems to forget how soft their schedule was. Lets see... Browns, Detroit X2, SF (should have lost), Rams, Hawks, Bears X2, etc. You have a ridiculously bad coach, no QB, RB that cannot be trusted, D is not even close to what it used to be.. GL Sir. Keep praying for Favre to come back, and if he does I really see the situation getting even worse.

My what a massive internet peen you have there

 

[sho nuff]

If Brett runs just 7 yards that last play instead of throws they are in the superbowl. wow

You are forgetting the fact that Longwell missed what most would have considered an automatic field goal from about that range just one week before. I'm amazed at how many people are thinking Favre tried to "squeeze" the ball in there on that last pass. The ball was going right to the receiver (even with an across the body throw). The defender that made a break on the ball (was also the only guy within 5 yards) was coming full speed and and at a perfectly concealed angle to the ball...I don't Manning or Brees would have seen him coming either. It's not like he was trying to thread the needle...it was just an excellent play by the defender to be at the exact point at the exact time.

Sorry...Id take a 50/50 shot at a FG over giving the other team the ball any day of the week.