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Broncos | Cutler could debut Week 8

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:52:56 -0700

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler could make his NFL debut Week 8 against the Indianapolis Colts.

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I can not find the link on ESPN (even with insider).

Shocking news to me.

Remember this is the same guy who predicted the V Young would not start any games this year and other bits of wisdom.

 
Pretty sure he said the same thing for this week. If he keeps saying it every week, one time he'll be right.

 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls.

Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race

 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.

 
LOL just posted this 5 min ago in a Plummer thread....If Plummer loses to Pitt and Indy and looks bad doing so (2+ picks) he will get yanked. Those are the type of teams he has to beat in the playoffs and if he looks as bad as he has to date I can't see Shanny sticking with him. Shanny will not stick with him if he turns the ball over and causes them to lose.

Regardless of the play calling he hasn't made many good passes or plays. Look at Rivers, they aren't throwing the ball all over. He's got 20 more attempts but nearly 60 more completions, 9 td's to 4 and 3 ints' to 7. Their passer rating is 96 to 60. These are two guys that are in nearly identical situations, great defenses, very good running games, same division, good skill players and one is a "rookie" and one is the "vet". I can easily pick which QB I'd rather have on my team THIS year and it's not Plummer. This is the team that Denver has to face twice still (pretty sure). They have already proven they can win without Plummer so far. If they can't win with him against the teams they really need to beat what do they have to lose?

My interpretation of the 41 pass attempts is that Shanny was trying to turn it up before the big games coming up. Didn't look so hot.

 
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Denver ranks fifth worst in adjusted yards per pass attempt by QBs, ahead of...

:drumroll:

Cleveland, Oakland, Tennessee and Tampa Bay!

Denver's QB Rating is 60.1, behind Cleveland and ahead of only those other three teams.

Cutler can't do any worse, and the Broncos aren't very likely to win a Super Bowl with Plummer playing like this.

 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
You haven't watched Plummer play. Why waste their season on him? They have a TOP defense, a very good running game (despite NO passing game which is pretty impressive).
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
but that doesn't mean his job is safe. If he loses or plays bad in the next two games why should they stick with him?
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Guess we'll just agree to disagree.
 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
 
He could debut this week?

cracKer from FBG.com reports:

Michael Turner could start for San Diego.

Terrell Owens could blow up at any time.

Hines Ward could run a 4.4 40 without shoes.

if...

 
if all they're going to do is run and throw 4 yard slants, i'm not sure who's QBing matters that much.

 
He just said today Plummers job is safe. Mort is BS'n again :rolleyes:
Broncos HC Shanahan says QB Plummers job safe Written by: Associated Press ¦ 10/23/2006 Source: DENVER -- Jake Plummer will remain the Denver Broncos quarterback -- at least for another week.Mike Shanahan had a chance to quiet the escalating Plummer-Jay Cutler debate Monday, but didn't exactly give Plummer a ringing endorsement."It's not my job to share with you if I want to make a change at any position," Shanahan said. "When we do make a decision, we'll make the decision in the best interest of our organization. I will tell you this -- Jake Plummer will be our quarterback against Indy."Plummer's recent woes have led to speculation that the Cutler era could be close at hand. Plummer has a passer rating of 60.4, which ranks 32nd in the league. He's thrown seven interceptions -- the same number he had all last season -- and just four touchdown passes.What's more, the offense is averaging 13.2 points a game, which is second-to-last in the NFL.This won't help the offense, either -- left tackle Matt Lepsis is out for the season after tearing a ligament in his right knee during the first half of Sunday's game.While the Broncos aren't sounding the alarms over the offense's recent struggles, it is an increasing concern, especially with the defense holding up its end of the deal and keeping teams to just 7.3 points a game."I wouldn't say incredibly frustrated, just frustrated," Shanahan said of his offense's inability to score.Before Sunday's game, an ESPN report surfaced that the Broncos are considering a switch to Cutler, who was taken 11th overall out of Vanderbilt. Shanahan didn't want to lend credence to the story, even though the report cited sources within the organization."Just because something's in the newspaper or something's on a so-called channel does not mean that I said it or someone within the organization said it," Shanahan said. "You've heard so many different things through the years. If I spoke about every one, I couldn't get my job done. But we're winning football games. Why don't we support our quarterback who's winning those games?"The most popular player in Denver seems to be the backup quarterback, especially since he looked good in the preseason. Cutler threw four touchdown passes, only one pick and completed 64.5 percent of his passes against predominantly backup players.The fact that Plummer is off to a shaky start isn't helping his cause. However, Plummer doesn't care about what's being said, only about the Broncos improving as a team."We are 5-1," Plummer said Sunday. "We didn't put up all of the points in the world. At the end of the game, I didn't make some good decisions. We need to get better there. There is some room for improvement."But Plummer may be running out of time to make improvements. When asked if he's any closer to playing Cutler than he was a month ago, Shanahan just smirked."We're going to play the best football players. We've done that from day one," Shanahan said.That didn't exactly put the growing quarterback debate to rest."It doesn't put any position to rest," he said. "It's not just the quarterback position. I wouldn't tell you if it were the center position, wide receiver position or any position. It's not my job to share with you if I want to make a change at any position."Shanahan said Plummer has earned the right to start, at least this Sunday against the 6-0 Indianapolis Colts."Then I'll get a chance to be on this little program [media interview] again and we'll talk about the same thing," he said.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Whike I agree with you, Chase, there has been NO buzz around Denver about Cutler starting - until it gets to the point where the fans are even calling for his head or there are a stringf of LOSSES attributable to Plummer, I don't see a change being made.
 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
There's a correlation/causation problem going on here. Best as anyone can tell, Plummer's doing nothing to cause Denver to win this year, with the exception of the NE game.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Guess we'll just agree to disagree.
I agree with you. I'm of the opinion that if he has a HORRIFIC game that costs the team a win, MAYBE he'll be in trouble. But that is a hell of a lot to risk if you're Shanny. You pull Plummer, his confidence is shot and he's completely useless to you, and your entire season rides on a kid that may or may not be able to play well under pressure. Plummer isn't be asked to do anything, and he's not costing his team with killer turnovers. Walker looks like the only one getting open worth a darn anyway. I don't think Cutler would fare much better, personally, but who knows.
 
He could debut this week?

cracKer from FBG.com reports:

Michael Turner could start for San Diego.

Terrell Owens could blow up at any time.

Hines Ward could run a 4.4 40 without shoes.

if...
:lmao: Edit to add: No Hagan prediction?

 
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Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
they will bench him if/when they lose against the good teams that they need to beat. The Broncs are thinking super bowl not just making the playoffs.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls.

Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Whike I agree with you, Chase, there has been NO buzz around Denver about Cutler starting - until it gets to the point where the fans are even calling for his head or there are a stringf of LOSSES attributable to Plummer, I don't see a change being made.
To be fair, I'm arguing about what should happen, not what will happen. When your comparable QBs are Charlie Frye, Vince Young and Andrew Walter, you're not very good.
 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
There's a correlation/causation problem going on here. Best as anyone can tell, Plummer's doing nothing to cause Denver to win lose this year, with the exception of the NE game.
:corrected:and exactly the reason Shannie won't make a change.

 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
There's a correlation/causation problem going on here. Best as anyone can tell, Plummer's doing nothing to cause Denver to win lose this year, with the exception of the NE game.
:corrected:and exactly the reason Shannie won't make a change.
I don't agree with that. Plummer's doing a lot to cause his team to lose; it's just that his defense is bailing him out.
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.

 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
But the Broncos are still winning. As crappy as Plummer is playing, I think it would be a mistake to bench him.
they will bench him if/when they lose against the good teams that they need to beat. The Broncs are thinking super bowl not just making the playoffs.
Would you have benched Kyle Orton last year?
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls.

Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Whike I agree with you, Chase, there has been NO buzz around Denver about Cutler starting - until it gets to the point where the fans are even calling for his head or there are a stringf of LOSSES attributable to Plummer, I don't see a change being made.
To be fair, I'm arguing about what should happen, not what will happen. When your comparable QBs are Charlie Frye, Vince Young and Andrew Walter, you're not very good.
Look at him vs Rivers, a division rival. Rivers kills him in stats and they have nearly the same situations....
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
Absolutely not. The loss of Lepsis is bound to hurt, but the Denver O-line will not crumble. With a defense like they have they are not going to use the season as a Cutler experiment, are you kidding? Going to Cutler is a gigantic gamble at this point, an unneccesary one considering their record. Not to say Plummer is doing great right now, but to assume Cutler would up the production is, in my opinion, naive.
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
 
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls.

Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Whike I agree with you, Chase, there has been NO buzz around Denver about Cutler starting - until it gets to the point where the fans are even calling for his head or there are a stringf of LOSSES attributable to Plummer, I don't see a change being made.
To be fair, I'm arguing about what should happen, not what will happen. When your comparable QBs are Charlie Frye, Vince Young and Andrew Walter, you're not very good.
Look at him vs Rivers, a division rival. Rivers kills him in stats and they have nearly the same situations....
Disagree ..Rivers has had more time to adjust to the NFL and has LT (the greatest RB playing the game today).
 
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Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls.

Plummer will stay in until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoff race
Brad Johnson threw one less interception and 18 more TDs in 2002 than Plummer has right now. Johnson ranked sixth in adjusted yards per pass, and was one of the league's best players down the stretch. Jake Plummer is awful, and I've been a Plummer supporter the past few years.
I should have clarified my point better....Denver is winning with Plummer as the QB. Just b/c Plumer isn't putting up increadible numbers, doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a switch at QB.
He's putting up Kyle Orton numbers with a better supporting cast. Just because he happens to play on a team with an excellent defense and running game doesn't mean he has some mythical ability to win games. He's got more INTs than games played, so he's not even managing the game well. Cutler seems likely to give Denver a better chance to win it all.
Whike I agree with you, Chase, there has been NO buzz around Denver about Cutler starting - until it gets to the point where the fans are even calling for his head or there are a stringf of LOSSES attributable to Plummer, I don't see a change being made.
To be fair, I'm arguing about what should happen, not what will happen. When your comparable QBs are Charlie Frye, Vince Young and Andrew Walter, you're not very good.
Look at him vs Rivers, a division rival. Rivers kills him in stats and they have nearly the same situations....
Disagree ..Rivers has had more time to adjust to the NFL and has LT (the greatest RB playing the game today).
I'm talking about Plummer. Plummer has played for quite a few years to adjust.
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
was thinking the exact same thing - Lepsis out means Shannie is more likely to keep the QB who knows how to bootleg.That said, he's thrown as many INTs in 6 games as he threw in 16 last year.INTs are unacceptable.
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
was thinking the exact same thing - Lepsis out means Shannie is more likely to keep the QB who knows how to bootleg.That said, he's thrown as many INTs in 6 games as he threw in 16 last year.INTs are unacceptable.
ESPECIALLY with Shanny.
 
Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
was thinking the exact same thing - Lepsis out means Shannie is more likely to keep the QB who knows how to bootleg.That said, he's thrown as many INTs in 6 games as he threw in 16 last year.INTs are unacceptable.
ESPECIALLY with Shanny.
Folks are worried aboutb Shannie changing RUNNING BACKS if TB fumbles once or twice?He's sticking with Plummer's INTs, aint he?
 
As much as I agree that Plummer is stinking up the joint, there's no guarantee Cutler will do any better.

 
As much as I agree that Plummer is stinking up the joint, there's no guarantee Cutler will do any better.
but so far there's no indication that he'd be worse.
A rookie qb could definitely do worse. Plummer has at least proven to be a decent game manager in the past. I'd give give him another week or two before calling for his head.
He's got a 60 passer rating. He's got 4 tds and 7 picks. He's been HORRIBLE. In real NFL terms (and obviously fantasy) I'd take the "rookie" Rivers over Plummer in a split second right now.
 
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Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
I absolutely agree. At this stage, it is clear that Plummer's not in a funk, he's clearly regressed as a QB. He's had funks before, but none that lasted this long.With that said... I still don't think going to Cutler is the right move. You are saying the Broncos should go to Cutler because he can't be any worse, but I beg to differ... he could be worse. He could be much, much, much worse. He could be Alex Smith, or Kyle Orton, or J.P. Losman, or Charlie Frye. He could certainly be worse. And even though Plummer's clearly regressed as a QB, I think there's more hope that Plummer finishes the season playing at a mediocre or better level than there is that Cutler does. Even if he looks like Matt Leinart vs. Chicago one week, he could look like Matt Leinart vs. Oakland the next. Heck, even Ben Roethlisberger, super-rookie extraordinaire, still hit the rookie wall in the playoffs.

Also, here's another big point that NEEDS to be made- when Shanahan switches to Cutler, the switch has to be permanant. There's no switching to Cutler, then seeing him struggle worse than Jake, and then going back to Plummer. Not only would that kill Plummer this year, that would kill Cutler's development. If Shanahan is going to switch to Cutler, he has to be absolutely CERTAIN that it's the right move, because he can't take it back afterwards. It's the regular season- he has plenty of time to switch to Cutler, if he decides later it needs to be done. He won't have plenty of time to UNSWITCH to Cutler if he does it too early, though. Switching to the rookie is like buying a house- you could rush into it as soon as you felt like it might be a good idea, but you're much better off doing your due dilligence first, because you can't unbuy a house once it's been bought.

Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
was thinking the exact same thing - Lepsis out means Shannie is more likely to keep the QB who knows how to bootleg.That said, he's thrown as many INTs in 6 games as he threw in 16 last year.

INTs are unacceptable.
That's an unfair comparison. Last year was a historic year, as far as Plummer was concerned. Saying that Shanny should bench Plummer because he's throwing a lot more Ints than last year is sort of like saying that Dungy should bench Manning because he's not throwing as many TDs as he did in 2004.Another thing that bears mentioning... Shanahan believes that he misplayed the Brister/Greise situation. He believes that he put Griese in too early, and that it cost him the locker room. He believes that the QB who most helps his team win isn't necessarily the guy who does the most on the field, but it's the guy who keeps his entire team playing at his best, and he believes that his team sort of gave up a little bit when he put Griese in over Brister (and basically signalled that 1999 was going to be a rebuilding year). He's said all of this before, and it goes a long way towards explaining exactly why he's not going to rush Cutler in until he's SURE that Cutler is going to do better than Plummer.

 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
I absolutely agree. At this stage, it is clear that Plummer's not in a funk, he's clearly regressed as a QB. He's had funks before, but none that lasted this long.With that said... I still don't think going to Cutler is the right move. You are saying the Broncos should go to Cutler because he can't be any worse, but I beg to differ... he could be worse. He could be much, much, much worse. He could be Alex Smith, or Kyle Orton, or J.P. Losman, or Charlie Frye. He could certainly be worse. And even though Plummer's clearly regressed as a QB, I think there's more hope that Plummer finishes the season playing at a mediocre or better level than there is that Cutler does. Even if he looks like Matt Leinart vs. Chicago one week, he could look like Matt Leinart vs. Oakland the next. Heck, even Ben Roethlisberger, super-rookie extraordinaire, still hit the rookie wall in the playoffs.

Also, here's another big point that NEEDS to be made- when Shanahan switches to Cutler, the switch has to be permanant. There's no switching to Cutler, then seeing him struggle worse than Jake, and then going back to Plummer. Not only would that kill Plummer this year, that would kill Cutler's development. If Shanahan is going to switch to Cutler, he has to be absolutely CERTAIN that it's the right move, because he can't take it back afterwards. It's the regular season- he has plenty of time to switch to Cutler, if he decides later it needs to be done. He won't have plenty of time to UNSWITCH to Cutler if he does it too early, though. Switching to the rookie is like buying a house- you could rush into it as soon as you felt like it might be a good idea, but you're much better off doing your due dilligence first, because you can't unbuy a house once it's been bought.

Does anyone think that with the loss of Lepsis combined with Plummer's ineffectiveness, that Shanny would make the switch to Cutler to make him even more prepared for next year? Not that I am saying he would give up on a season where they are 5-1, but he might figure Plummer is not going to get any better, and if Cutler can somehow have a Roethlisberger-like impact, it could benefit them this year, too.
I think the loss of Lepsis would make Shanny want to stick with the vet. Playing a rookie with the weakened OL could stump his normal learning progression - Hard to learn when you are running for your life.Also you have to wonder if Shanny even thinks the loss of Lepsis is that big of a deal.
was thinking the exact same thing - Lepsis out means Shannie is more likely to keep the QB who knows how to bootleg.That said, he's thrown as many INTs in 6 games as he threw in 16 last year.

INTs are unacceptable.
That's an unfair comparison. Last year was a historic year, as far as Plummer was concerned. Saying that Shanny should bench Plummer because he's throwing a lot more Ints than last year is sort of like saying that Dungy should bench Manning because he's not throwing as many TDs as he did in 2004.Another thing that bears mentioning... Shanahan believes that he misplayed the Brister/Greise situation. He believes that he put Griese in too early, and that it cost him the locker room. He believes that the QB who most helps his team win isn't necessarily the guy who does the most on the field, but it's the guy who keeps his entire team playing at his best, and he believes that his team sort of gave up a little bit when he put Griese in over Brister (and basically signalled that 1999 was going to be a rebuilding year). He's said all of this before, and it goes a long way towards explaining exactly why he's not going to rush Cutler in until he's SURE that Cutler is going to do better than Plummer.
The next two games will decide it.
 
Jake Plummer has been one of the worst QBs in the league this year. I thought he shouldn't have been pulled after week two, and he saved himself with a great performance against the Pats.

But he's not turning this one around. At some point, you have to recognize that a guy has been really bad for six games, and you're not going to get worse play out of Cutler.

Plummer has now thrown as many INTs this year in six games as he did all of last year, and he's averaging a miserable 5.82 Y/A, and 4.20 adjusted Y/A.
I think you underestimate just how bad first year QBs can be. Even if he turns out to be a solid QB, guys like E Manning and A Smith were just horrible in their first years.
 

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