Brother is a serial Killer (3 Viewers)

[netnalp]

Also in my brother's things was a key to a Mustang II of my brother's that was in my mom's garage. She opened the trunk and there was a bloody futon mattress. I didn't see it, but mom said the blood stain was about the size of a manhole cover and thick and scabby. She called the police and they never showed up. So after 3 months she threw it away.

I would have driven the mattress to the police. But I understand my mom just throwing it away. She was tired of being hounded by the press. I realize it is their job, it can just be an ugly business at times. In an effort to get an interview, reporters would call and act nice at first. They'd say they were concerned and if we felt like we needed someone to talk to, they were willing to listen. They sure change when you tell them "you appreciate the concern but don't feel like discussing things right now." The reporters would respond with threats, like "If your not going to talk to me then I'll have to go to each of your neighbors and go to the workplaces and homes of your family members." So you do the interview, and find out later that they went door-to-door talking to your neighbors anyway. At the very least they didn't hound indirect family members at their work and homes. A few received calls but that was the extent of it.It was through a reporter that my mom learned of Drew's death. I think it was about 20-45 minutes after he was pronounced dead that a reporter called and asked for her to comment on her son's death.

I think the police like most non-profit organizations, are understaffed. So I give them some slack. Like missing the XBox box of evidence. It felt heavy enough to be a video game system, and the contents weren't sliding around. My brother did have a lot of stuff in his apartment. It would have been like trying to catalog the contents of someone on that show Hoarders.

This is a crazy thought, but did she ever ask him why there was a bloody mattress in the trunk?

Drew was dead. We hadn't been released his possessions till about a year after his death. Other questions we had couldn't be asked prior to his death because the attorney Kirk Osborn told us to assume that all verbal communications with Drew were being taped and letters being read.

 

[Guster]

To be continued......

 

[zed2283]

this and the lesbian thread are like dueling banjos of awesome.

Link?

 

[netnalp]

Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?

No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far. I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.

 

[MikeIke]

Wow, fantastic thread though I'm sorry to hear how crappy your life has been. I hope you find some peace in writing it, netnalp. I know from experience that writing about personal stuff can be very good for you, emotionally. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Sea Duck]

Netnalp, do you ever feel guilty? Do you ever look back at things you did as a kid and wonder if they might have contributed to your brother's condition?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Just a thought, but maybe you should consider writing a book about this.

 

[Joseph]

Just a thought, but maybe you should consider writing a book about this.

I would imagine the outrage over the bloody mattress that the police weren't interested in alone would give some huge publicity to the book.

 

[omally]

The dog did help lead to him as a suspect. That was a couple of years later after the trail went cold. For some reason for the first couple of years the police kept the investigation to the apartment complex of the victim, even though there were a couple of other complexes withing a few hundred yards of the crime scene. from the book, it seems like almost every conclusion the profiler came to was very wrong. He had them looking for someone socially adept and with combat training.

a neighbor said that a guy with a dog peeped into stephanie's window, and then ran into the woods just a few weeks prior to the murder. drew's apartment at that time was through the woods that separated his and stephanie's apartments. it's slack that the police would not investigate the apartments through the woods at that time.

There is no good reason why the police didn't check the neighboring apartment complexes from the start, but what made them finally do it was they interviewed that neighbor around three years later who said he saw a man peeping in Stephanies window, with a big black dog, and he went through the woods towards a neighboring apartment. When police asked the staff at those apartments about a male with a big dog during the time of the murder, they immediately said Drew Planten. Luckily, Planten was still in the Raleigh area and they tracked him down. Some other people in Stephanie's complex said they saw a tall white man walking a big dog around the time frame, and never saw him again afterwards. They said he wore a hoodie and sunglasses. My wife's sister worked with Stephanie Bennett in Raleigh. She was really tore up about her death. It's believed that Planten was lying in wait, because Stephanie's two roommates were out of town when she was murdered, and it's thought that he knew she was alone. Stephanie was going to be moving soon to SC to live with her boyfriend. Very sad.netnalp, I'm sorry your brother left behind such terrible sins that you and your family have had to face. Like many, your family is also left with many unanswered questions. His sins however are not your burden to bear. He sounds like he was wired wrong from the get go, and the world is a better place without him in it. You sound solid, and that you are moving along in a positive way. God Speed.

 

[Chadstroma]

My dad, geez that's a whole lot more typing. Some interesting stuff with his own father. Also my dad's death is mysterious as well. I'll answer some questions from other people and then get into that. Remind me if I don't.

First off, I'm sorry for the insanity all of this has injected into your life. As a point of curiosity, how old was your brother when your father died?

He was about 20 when my dad died. I recall the day because I was walking home from the bus stop after finishing my college classes that day. There was a police car in the driveway. He rolled down the window as I walked up and asked "Is this Sarah Chandler's house?"I said "Yes."As he started backing out of the driveway he said "Tell her, her ex-husband died in a fire in Wyoming." And drove away.

Geez... not sure why a cop would be sent to give that news but that certainly is not how you deliver it.

 

[Flying V]

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

How did they get the UPS man to deliver to a gravesite at a specific time? I ship UPS quite a bit and never got this level of service, and I'm kind of jealous.

 

[Chadstroma]

I don't know. The shoddy police work is inexcusable and I hope there aren't any unsolved murders out there..

the police in raleigh found a list of women's names, and directions to women's houses in drew's apartment. to the OP, what became of drew's dog?

The dog Vane, came home to Michigan and lived with my mother. The day Drew died, the dog began to show signs of being ill. He stopped eating and after a couple of days I came over and noticed a foul odor. Apparently the dog had advanced leukemia and developed a blood clot that blocked off blood flow to the tongue. The tongue rotting was what caused the odor. He was about 13 years old, so he was put down. He probably wouldn't have survived the chemotherapy."the police in raleigh found a list of women's names, and directions to women's houses in drew's apartment."What's really creepy is there was a girl that lived two floors above Drew that would leave her door unlocked while she walked her dog. According to the police, Drew must have snuck into her apartment and found the video tape buried in a trunk of hers, made a copy and at a later time put the original video tape back. Because she still had it after my brother was arrested.

What was on the video tape?

 

[The Hank]

The OP of this thread should seriously think about putting out some sort of book or memoir. This is a fascinating read.

 

[Bill Brasky]

 

[wadegarrett]

Tough stuff netnalp. Thanks for sharing.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Fascinating read and thanks for sharing.

For very good and obvious reasons you sound very cold towards your brother. When did you stop caring about him? Did you ever care about him?

You guys were only a year apart - did you play together or was he always mean towards you?

 

[Chadstroma]

Just read this whole thread....Thank you for sharing.....facinating, in a wierd, sad way.Drew really sounds like a Narcissistic Sociopath. I think it is very very odd to have 2 members of one family be peepers also. Was there ever any speculation at all of any abuse towards the brothers by anyone...family or not?I am also impressed by your strength!

Reading through the thread the one thing that has struck me was the narcissism. I suppose the lack of or inability to have empathy for others is a prerequisite for being a murderer. netnalp, do you agree that your brother was narcissistic? Did you know about his intense jealousy and view that you were favored as a child or was that only revealed later as in the response to the letter talking about throwing the logs into the car, etc? Have you thought about writing a book on the subject?

 

[Chadstroma]

Ok, since I've caught up on most of the questions. I'll go into the strange circumstances of my father's death.

First off, it was investigated and it isn't possible that Drew killed my father. I'm not saying he wouldn't have wanted to, the time to go from Michigan to Cheyenne, Wyoming makes it impossible. As kids Drew did talk about maybe putting poison mushrooms on dad's pizza. The most creative idea Drew thought of was to get dad to ingest the sap from milkweed plants that grew in the yard. Apparently Drew was onto something, according to wiki:

"Milkweed also contains cardiac glycoside poisons which inhibit animal cells from maintaining a proper K+, Ca+ concentration gradient.[citation needed] As a result many natives of South America and Africa used arrows poisoned with these glycosides to fight and hunt more effectively. Milkweed is toxic and may cause death when animals consume 10% of their body weight in any part of the plant."

Can't imagine he'd have been able to get dad to eat 18-20 lbs of the stuff.

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Anyway back to the actual death of my father. He died through C02 asphyxiation from a clogged wood burning stove pipe. This also started a fire. The body charred body was removed before being completely consumed. The remains were identified by the landlord. The Fire Marshal assured me that it was an accidental death and there was no way someone could have intentionally started the fire and that the body wasn't damaged to the point that it wasn't identifiable.

Three days after my father's death I get a call from a man that claimed to be an old college friend of my dad's named Don Morasco. Morasco told me that he had received in the mail an envelope from my father that contained the keys to a car, a key to a storage locker and an article on how to clean the exhaust pipe of a wood burning stove to prevent a fire and the accumulation of CO2. (I called the Fire Marshal about this and I #### you not, he still insisted it was an accident).

Morasco said my dad had owed the landlord back rent. So the landlord was starting a lawsuit to claim my dad's possessions to pay the debt. Morasco said he wanted to collect the possessions and give them to my brothers and I. But to do so, he needed us to sign a legal document releasing our rights to the property and giving him permission to claim them.

The storage locker and the car were filled with all of my dad's possessions. And he had just paid on the renter's insurance on the place so he wasn't planning to move. Morasco then secretly tries to files some legal paper work that would make him the heir to any insurance and pension money of my dad's. I think it was the friend of the court or someone like that, that gave us a heads up on the attempt to screw us over. Eventually a settlement was reached and Morasco got half of the possessions and money.

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

About a decade later my Grandfather dies, and once he was gone my Grandmother has started saying that she believes my father is still alive.

You do realize this crap does not happen to the rest of us, right? I mean, I am tempted to disbelieve you and that this is the all time biggest fishing story in the FFA- but at the same time it rings with truth. If you are not putting us on- dang bud, I am sorry for the crazy life and have to give you tons of props for coming out of this a well adjusted upstanding person. If you are putting us on- stop and write a book because you will make tons of money.

 

[AcerFC]

:takesadeepbreath:

Thanks for sharing. I am wanting to know more so put me in the list of people who would read your book

 

[No. 16]

No joke - I recently found out that my missing half-brother was likely killed by serial killer Randy Kraft in the early 1970's. He was in the Marines and was thought to have went AWOL and disappeared but now we are assuming that he must have been hitchhiking when he was picked up by Kraft.

Randy Kraft's sister was my kindergarten teacher in Westminster, CA. "Uncle Randy" used to come in from time to time with a guitar and sing songs with us. True story.

Are you Vietnamese?

 

[Chadstroma]

I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.

Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.

Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...

Sounds like suicide, Brad Delp style

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.

 

[Keerock]

:sehr0n:

 

[culdeus]

What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.

How so? Unless there are other victims they didn't find.

 

[Kubes]

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[Brock Middlebrook]

Can you comment on what other murders he's being investigated for?

 

[TheWick]

Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?

No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.

You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.

 

[Yenrub]

 

[heckmanm]

this and the lesbian thread are like dueling banjos of awesome.

link, please? Thx.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

How did they get the UPS man to deliver to a gravesite at a specific time? I ship UPS quite a bit and never got this level of service, and I'm kind of jealous.

It is UPS, not USPS or FedEx (which according to Cross are the same thing).

 

[The Doctor]

if they make a movie. whos the best to play his role

 

[Disco Stu]

Oldest- Lives with his wife who is a cat hoarder. Their house is filthy. He was on probation for a couple years for credit card fraud. Their lack of hygiene makes it very difficult to have a relationship with them. His wife was actually fired from a job cleaning cages at an animal shelter because she smelled so bad.

Good lord. How is that even possible? :X

 

[moleculo]

 

[culdeus]

if they make a movie. whos the best to play his role

It's time for Marky Mark to have a sinister role.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Well, it took until mid December, but we have our 2011 winner for the Nigel Tufnel Craziest Thread Title of The Year.

This is fascinating as hell.

 

[dgreen]

Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?

No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.

You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.

I think you're misreading his concern. He's concerned that he'll be accused of being pedo simply because of his family history.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.

 

[bushdocda]

This forum is amazing.Thanks for sharing a tough story.

and

Holy wow.

 

[Disco Stu]

My dad, geez that's a whole lot more typing. Some interesting stuff with his own father. Also my dad's death is mysterious as well. I'll answer some questions from other people and then get into that. Remind me if I don't.

First off, I'm sorry for the insanity all of this has injected into your life. As a point of curiosity, how old was your brother when your father died?

He was about 20 when my dad died. I recall the day because I was walking home from the bus stop after finishing my college classes that day. There was a police car in the driveway. He rolled down the window as I walked up and asked "Is this Sarah Chandler's house?"I said "Yes."As he started backing out of the driveway he said "Tell her, her ex-husband died in a fire in Wyoming." And drove away.

Geez... not sure why a cop would be sent to give that news but that certainly is not how you deliver it.

This is a duty the police are called upon to perform. It's unfortunate this particular officer didn't take it more seriously.When my uncle was found dead in his Portland home the police there called the Oklahoma City police, who then knocked on my grandfather's door to deliver the news.

 

[omally]

What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.

The Raleigh police department originally had little to go on. Coincidentally there were two peepers at the time, but they thought there was just one, and the one they caught wasn't a DNA match. They had a composite sketch that looked nothing like Planten. They had all types of accounts with various descriptions of various people. They really should have canvased neighboring apartments at the time, but didn't. What broke the case open was the lead detective retired, and another took over. A guy they called the "garbage man". He went through everything. This was three years after the murder, and he read all reports, and reinterviewed people, and discovered there was a tall thin guy who walked a large dark dog, and wore a hoodie and sunglasses, and was seen around the complex several times prior to the murder, and then disappeared afterwards. The detective made this public, and calls came in, which led to the neighbor who saw a man with a dog peek into Stephanie's window and run through the woods towards another apartment complex just two or three weeks before the murder. Why this person never came forward with this information when the murder happened was never said. The detective went to this other apartment complex, and got the name Drew Planten based on the description of him and his dog. Planten became his person of interest, and it turned out he was the guy. The arrest of Planten led police to another murder in Michigan, and possible others. Murders aren't always easy to solve, but they did solve Stephanie's and the young lady in Michigan. Who knows if there were more.

 

[AcerFC]

I have to say I agree with Ham here

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.

How so? Unless there are other victims they didn't find.

A bloody futon? An xbox box full of potential evidence? Where there is blood, there is DNA. IF they don't match the victims already identified, then there are others.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

this and the lesbian thread are like dueling banjos of awesome.

Link?

got the axe apparently.

 

[Flying V]

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

How did they get the UPS man to deliver to a gravesite at a specific time? I ship UPS quite a bit and never got this level of service, and I'm kind of jealous.

It is UPS, not USPS or FedEx (which according to Cross are the same thing).

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I have to say I agree with Ham here

Seriously. Who wouldn't be defensive in netnalp's shoes?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Get to the space aliens part. That's my favorite.

 

[Henry Ford]

Give the guy a friggin' break. Of course he's defensive. His brother was a serial killer and he probably thinks everyone suspects him of being a monster. He's trying to work through this stuff, so kudos for that.

To say nothing of the fact that he spent a long period of time thinking his brother had been railroaded for this, before finding out that he was likely guilty. That mindset is probably tough to break - thinking that some group has decided to prosecute and vilify a family member on false charges has to make you paranoid for life, and wondering if it can happen to you - even once you find out that he's actually the right guy to get prosecuted.

 

[nysportsfan]

Didn't read it all - and I commend you for talking about it openly - but are you in counseling? Seems like I'd be there 2 times a week for a while.

 

[identikit]

I'm sure Netnalp will address this; he's been courageously open about so much already.