I still love that this was the second reply in the thread. A woz parody account could not have written something so perfect.FWIW, I've met this guy at a seminar, attended a presentation of his, and can say he seems like a very competent attorney.My brother's attorney, Kirk Osborn (the same one that represented the Duke Lacrosse players), had told my family that the large amounts of DNA that the prosecutor claimed to have was actually only a speck.
redundantI still love that this was the second reply in the thread. A woz parody account could not have written something so perfect.FWIW, I've met this guy at a seminar, attended a presentation of his, and can say he seems like a very competent attorney.My brother's attorney, Kirk Osborn (the same one that represented the Duke Lacrosse players), had told my family that the large amounts of DNA that the prosecutor claimed to have was actually only a speck.
Yes.Wait, the mom of your brother's victim was the check writer?
Abe needs facts posted one post at a time.Why did your girlfriend have her check?
The mother bought something at the business my girlfriend owns.Why did your girlfriend have her check?
Wow.The mother bought something at the business my girlfriend owns.Why did your girlfriend have her check?
From the book about the investigation, my brother's boss thought her actions in helping the police would clear my brother as a suspect. I think the police let her believe that they wanted to eliminate my brother as a suspect. The two detectives on the case were locked in on him. Even after the DNA from the water bottle didn't match the DNA from the crime scene. The detective's superior urged them to move on to other leads when that happened. But they asked the question "Did anyone actually see Drew drink from the bottle?" They hadn't, they only saw him throw it away.Remind me again why the workplace decided to keep a suspected serial killer on the payroll? They couldn't come up with probable cause to fire the guy? Couldn't they get a blood draw for a drug test?
The original attorney that urged my mother to go through with the wrongful death suit has been disbarred for reasons not related to my mom's lawsuit. That attorney was the one that was trying to get a large dollar amount. The arrangement he'd work for no money upfront and take a cut of any settlement or award by the court.I'd like to know if the mom went forward with the lawsuit........Hey I'm suing you for letting my son who killed people kill himself.
Any update on your mother's progress?The original attorney that urged my mother to go through with the wrongful death suit has been disbarred for reasons not related to my mom's lawsuit. That attorney was the one that was trying to get a large dollar amount. The arrangement he'd work for no money upfront and take a cut of any settlement or award by the court.I'd like to know if the mom went forward with the lawsuit........Hey I'm suing you for letting my son who killed people kill himself.
After that guy was disbarred, my mom hired an attorney. That attorney eventually refunded her money and declined the case because he realized how high profile the criminal case was and was afraid of negative publicity.
Most recently the case has been taken on by someone that works for the state of North Carolina. I forget if it's the Public Defender, Attorney General or someone like that. It's someone that works for the state that looks out for violations of prisoner's right. Kind of like the Department of Internal Affairs for the police, but this guy does that with prisons. With that case, my mom is seeking restitution for funeral expenses. That's what she was seeking the entire time, but the previous attorneys would only take the case if they could go after a bigger sum.
Last I'd heard is that the state has admitted to some negligence or fault (I don't know the exact legal term they used). They are waiting till the new state budget passes before they hold hearings on the amount of damages that will be awarded.
"Hey I'm suing you for letting my son who killed people kill himself." The thing is, in our legal system you're not allowed to do this. My mom's an attorney so naturally she's going to seek legal justice. She's not trying to lessen the evil my brother did. She just feels the personnel of the prison are obligated to keep those under it's charge as safe as they can. They failed to do that.
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Still on going. NC doesn't seem to be putting up much of a legal fight, mostly seems they are stalling things. It's either they are dragging it out hoping that my mom will drop the suit or they are worried of the political repercussions when it gets out that they settled the suit.Any update on your mother's progress?The original attorney that urged my mother to go through with the wrongful death suit has been disbarred for reasons not related to my mom's lawsuit. That attorney was the one that was trying to get a large dollar amount. The arrangement he'd work for no money upfront and take a cut of any settlement or award by the court.I'd like to know if the mom went forward with the lawsuit........Hey I'm suing you for letting my son who killed people kill himself.
After that guy was disbarred, my mom hired an attorney. That attorney eventually refunded her money and declined the case because he realized how high profile the criminal case was and was afraid of negative publicity.
Most recently the case has been taken on by someone that works for the state of North Carolina. I forget if it's the Public Defender, Attorney General or someone like that. It's someone that works for the state that looks out for violations of prisoner's right. Kind of like the Department of Internal Affairs for the police, but this guy does that with prisons. With that case, my mom is seeking restitution for funeral expenses. That's what she was seeking the entire time, but the previous attorneys would only take the case if they could go after a bigger sum.
Last I'd heard is that the state has admitted to some negligence or fault (I don't know the exact legal term they used). They are waiting till the new state budget passes before they hold hearings on the amount of damages that will be awarded.
"Hey I'm suing you for letting my son who killed people kill himself." The thing is, in our legal system you're not allowed to do this. My mom's an attorney so naturally she's going to seek legal justice. She's not trying to lessen the evil my brother did. She just feels the personnel of the prison are obligated to keep those under it's charge as safe as they can. They failed to do that.
This was one of the best tales in FFA lore.
Interesting seeing links to this thread being posted not long ago on another.
I was on a leave of absence when the original post was made, and I guess I just never saw it any of the times it was bumped.New here, @Nathan R. Jessep?
ETA: Sorry, I just got excited when the thread was bumped, hoped there was new information.
NetflixWow... had work to do this afternoon and got precisely zero of it done. What a fascinating story. Going to have to try and catch the shows on this case.
thanks for sharing, net
Looks like you've been off of this site completely since 2017, so doubt you'll see this but am curious on any update on how everything is going now.Netflix
Forensic Files Collection - Collection 9 - episode 38
I recently watched a programme on your brother Drew and then found these posts so wanted to ask a couple of questions. I know your first name Netnap so can you tell me why you said your brother ‘was an easy target’ when you were interviewed and seemed to defend him? Especially as you say you were t shocked to find out he killed someone. Also you explained why he hid his DNA and I saw the the programme and how far he went to do this but why did this not convince your family he was guilty? I see everyone has said you should write a book etc andI don t know if you have done this I know you have been through a lot but I think this is keeping his notoriety going his victims deserve better than him to be remembered and it’s unfair for their families to go through this again. I as a mother of 3 boys would do anything for my children but if I had found a mattress with blood on it in one of their cars I would have dragged it to the police station myself and confronted my child, personally I think she knew he had done something bad but as a mother she didn’t want to face up to that. Maybe if she had pushed it then the known murders wouldn’t have happened.I think he's maybe wondering why you busted out the first name shtick to begin with.just trying to help the guy out.
Hey netnalp.Interesting seeing links to this thread being posted not long ago on another.
The "yellow pills" the person from that thread assumes are alprazolam. Alprazolam is for treatment for anxiety. It's possible that they were alprazolam. But they weren't for Drew, they were for his dog that tended to get nauseated when taking long trips in the car. Around Thanksgiving and Christmas time my mom would pick Drew and his dog up and bring them back to Michigan or to NJ for a week or two. That's why he had those pills.
Person also mentions Vermont and the North East. I believe he's confusing that with time Drew spent in Oregon on a project involving salmon. There was some kind of issue with Drew and his peers. One where the supervisor felt the need to move Drew from the communal men's cabin, to one of his own or to the one the supervisor lived in. It was never clear what the story was. Drew claimed that the he spent a lot of time with the women he worked with and the men were jealous.
Sounds like bull#### to me. As socially awkward as Drew was I can't imagine that he goes to Oregon an becomes a "player". I suspect he was creeping the women out. May have been caught or suspected of peeping or just doing other suspicious stuff. So the guys at the camp were probably threatening to kick his ###.
People seem to want to make something out of the dog's name being "Vain". It's simply a character from Drew's favorite series of books. http://unbeliever.wikia.com/wiki/Vain
1) Why did I say Drew was an Easy target?I recently watched a programme on your brother Drew and then found these posts so wanted to ask a couple of questions. I know your first name Netnap so can you tell me why you said your brother ‘was an easy target’ when you were interviewed and seemed to defend him? Especially as you say you were t shocked to find out he killed someone. Also you explained why he hid his DNA and I saw the the programme and how far he went to do this but why did this not convince your family he was guilty? I see everyone has said you should write a book etc andI don t know if you have done this I know you have been through a lot but I think this is keeping his notoriety going his victims deserve better than him to be remembered and it’s unfair for their families to go through this again. I as a mother of 3 boys would do anything for my children but if I had found a mattress with blood on it in one of their cars I would have dragged it to the police station myself and confronted my child, personally I think she knew he had done something bad but as a mother she didn’t want to face up to that. Maybe if she had pushed it then the known murders wouldn’t have happened.I think he's maybe wondering why you busted out the first name shtick to begin with.just trying to help the guy out.
I don't think much happened with that. Last I heard, several years ago an attorney was trying to bring about a class action lawsuit to prompt prison reform. So it was going to be bundled in with dozens of other cases.Thank you for sharing. How is your family doing and what do you think about your mom suing the prison? Whatever came of that?
I haven't heard any first hand accounts from others that were at that camp.Hey netnalp.Interesting seeing links to this thread being posted not long ago on another.
The "yellow pills" the person from that thread assumes are alprazolam. Alprazolam is for treatment for anxiety. It's possible that they were alprazolam. But they weren't for Drew, they were for his dog that tended to get nauseated when taking long trips in the car. Around Thanksgiving and Christmas time my mom would pick Drew and his dog up and bring them back to Michigan or to NJ for a week or two. That's why he had those pills.
Person also mentions Vermont and the North East. I believe he's confusing that with time Drew spent in Oregon on a project involving salmon. There was some kind of issue with Drew and his peers. One where the supervisor felt the need to move Drew from the communal men's cabin, to one of his own or to the one the supervisor lived in. It was never clear what the story was. Drew claimed that the he spent a lot of time with the women he worked with and the men were jealous.
Sounds like bull#### to me. As socially awkward as Drew was I can't imagine that he goes to Oregon an becomes a "player". I suspect he was creeping the women out. May have been caught or suspected of peeping or just doing other suspicious stuff. So the guys at the camp were probably threatening to kick his ###.
People seem to want to make something out of the dog's name being "Vain". It's simply a character from Drew's favorite series of books. http://unbeliever.wikia.com/wiki/Vain
I've been reading everything you've said on here. You're remarkable. Truly admire your honesty. I've read the evil next door book and watched programmes about your brother.
Just wondered about what you said about when drew went to oregon. Did anyone ever come forward and tell the real story of why he was moved to a different cabin? You only have drews side of the story on that and I just wondered if anyone else that was there ever shed any light on the subject?
this is absolutely infuriating
The reporters. They're the ones that break the news to you that your family member has been arrested for murders. They do this to get that shocked, unprepared response. After that, they feign empathy and tell you that they're there to listen an be a support. Not in the mood to talk and unsure if we should, we declined initial interview requests. The reporters respond with, "Ok, that doesn't leave us much choice but to go talking to all your neighbors. If you want to talk, our vans will be parked in front of your house when you're ready." So you pretty much don't trust what they tell you.
Thank you. Yes, I'm doing good.@netnalp - thanks for the updates. I hope you are doing well and moving on with life.
Also, I believe I've mentioned it previously in the thread, but it bears repeating. Before throwing disparaging remarks towards my mother. Making assumptions of the type of person and parent she is. Consider, that 30 years ago, well before any of my brother's crimes, my mother created a domestic abuse charity/shelter. It wasn't a case that she was physically abused by my father either. She did it because that's the type of person she is.
https://sireneatonshelter.org
P.S. A big FU to the person that embezzled hundreds of thousand of dollars from that charity in May of this year.
The older I get, the more I know, the more I have no respect for American news media or 'journalism'. They have been revered for so long as arbiters of truth but it is one of the scummiest professions that exists. Things like this spotlight that.this is absolutely infuriating
The reporters. They're the ones that break the news to you that your family member has been arrested for murders. They do this to get that shocked, unprepared response. After that, they feign empathy and tell you that they're there to listen an be a support. Not in the mood to talk and unsure if we should, we declined initial interview requests. The reporters respond with, "Ok, that doesn't leave us much choice but to go talking to all your neighbors. If you want to talk, our vans will be parked in front of your house when you're ready." So you pretty much don't trust what they tell you.
"if you don't talk to us, we're going to make up a narrative and paint your family/you in a disfavorable light to pressure you in to talking". freaking disgusting.