Browns Draft Day Trades (1 Viewer)

[The Hank]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed. But simply if you were Mangini, would you have done the same?

Breakdown of the trades (Let me know if I screwed up anything)

Browns trade:

1.5 [QB. M. Sanchez (NYJ)]

TE. K. Winslow (TB)

(Picks 1.17 (QB - J. Freeman[TB]) and 1.19 (WR - J. Maclin[PHI]) were used to trade down to #21 and acquire additional picks, but were acquired from other teams; so they cancel each other out)

Browns Recieve:

QB. B. Ratliff*

S. A. Elam*

DE. K. Coleman*

1.21 [C. A. Mack]#

2.20 [DE. D. Veikune]*

2.22 [WR. M. Massoquoi]^

6.18 [CB. C. Francies]^

6.22 [RB. J. Davis]#

and a 2010 5th round pick from TB^

* - from NYJ

^ - from TB

# - from PHI

 

[Zoomanji]

Yes,

picked up some extra value and good players (maybe as many as 5 future starters)

But I have no idea why hey eventually used their first round pick on a center

 

[stevegamer]

I'd make the trades in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't necessarily pick the same guys. Of course, 3 first round trade downs is exactly what I did in the Shark Pool Mock #3, but as Seattle. Caught some flak for it being non-realistic, since nobody would ever do that. It's not my fault I'm cutting-edge. Part of my strategy was to leverage teams moving up for Stafford (since in the mock he didn't go 1.01) and Sanchez, and into that Jets #1 slot to get a guy who's slipping. My Jets deal netted them Sanchez, but we didn't take players - almost asked for one of their QB's to be a throw in. From that thread, I started with just the 1.04 (kept my other picks), and dealt essentially just it for:1.22 Eben Britton, T3.03 James Casey, Football Player3.22 Jarrett Dillard, WRplus an extra 2010 2nd (Jags), 3rd (Texans) & 4th (Jets).

Seattle draft so far:1.22 Eben Britton, T2.05 Donald Brown, RB3.03 James Casey, Football Player3.04 Stephen McGee, QB3.22 Jarrett Dillard, WR4.05 Brandon Williams, DEplus an extra 2010 2nd (Jags), 3rd (Texans) & 4th (Jets).

I like the trade down repeatedly idea very much (obviously) when you have needs that value doesn't match.However, I didn't like the Winslow move as much the Browns made.

 

[amnesiac]

i'm guessing they were going to take Mack at 17 regardless, so the two 6th round picks were just icing.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Breakdown of the trades (Let me know if I screwed up anything)

You are assuming that Cleveland got to draft 3 first rounders. They never traded Sanchez, Freeman and Maclin. They traded Sanchez. That is it.Either look at the trades separately, or as a whole.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Browns Recieve:QB. B. Ratliff*S. A. Elam*DE. K. Coleman*1.21 [C. A. Mack]#2.20 [DE. D. Veikune]*2.22 [WR. M. Massoquoi]^6.18 [CB. C. Francies]^6.22 [RB. J. Davis]#* - from NYJ^ - from TB# - from PHI

They also received a 2010 5th from TB in the Winslow trade.

 

[The Hank]

Breakdown of the trades (Let me know if I screwed up anything)

You are assuming that Cleveland got to draft 3 first rounders. They never traded Sanchez, Freeman and Maclin. They traded Sanchez. That is it.Either look at the trades separately, or as a whole.

I was looking at stuff as a whole.They DID trade pick(s) #1.5 (to NYJ), 1.17 (to TB), and 1.19 (to PHI), did they not? I just put who they were in parenthesis

 

[AB in DC]

They DID trade pick(s) #1.5 (to NYJ), 1.17 (to TB), and 1.19 (to PHI), did they not? I just put who they were in parenthesis

You're triple-counting the picks. If you're saying they traded all three picks, then they also received the 1.17 and the 1.19 on top of the ones you already listed.

 

[The Hank]

Browns Recieve:QB. B. Ratliff*S. A. Elam*DE. K. Coleman*1.21 [C. A. Mack]#2.20 [DE. D. Veikune]*2.22 [WR. M. Massoquoi]^6.18 [CB. C. Francies]^6.22 [RB. J. Davis]#* - from NYJ^ - from TB# - from PHI

They also received a 2010 5th from TB in the Winslow trade.

Fixed

 

[The Hank]

They DID trade pick(s) #1.5 (to NYJ), 1.17 (to TB), and 1.19 (to PHI), did they not? I just put who they were in parenthesis

You're triple-counting the picks. If you're saying they traded all three picks, then they also received the 1.17 and the 1.19 on top of the ones you already listed.

Gotcha -- will fix.

 

[FUBAR]

if you break this into different polls, for each trade, I'd find the results more interesting.

 

[NJDawgPound]

I certainly would have done the same, although I don't make the same picks. The Mack pick is warming up to me because Center is an important spot in the division and Hank Fraley was getting blown off the line of scrimmage. Plus, Pittsburgh was looking center.

It just really stinks that the market to move up into the top 5 this year from the #17 only netted the Browns a second rounder, two non-impact starters, and a project QB. I remember when we moved up to grab Winslow, we paid with a second round pick and that was only to move up one spot.

We didn't get fair market value, but if the staff wasn't 100% in love with someone at #5, why invest those guaranteed millions? I'd rather blow our cap money on proven entities or can't miss players. The only can't miss guy I saw this year was Curry, and even that wouldn't have helped our pass rush.

 

[The Hank]

I certainly would have done the same, although I don't make the same picks. The Mack pick is warming up to me because Center is an important spot in the division and Hank Fraley was getting blown off the line of scrimmage. Plus, Pittsburgh was looking center.It just really stinks that the market to move up into the top 5 this year from the #17 only netted the Browns a second rounder, two non-impact starters, and a project QB. I remember when we moved up to grab Winslow, we paid with a second round pick and that was only to move up one spot. We didn't get fair market value, but if the staff wasn't 100% in love with someone at #5, why invest those guaranteed millions? I'd rather blow our cap money on proven entities or can't miss players. The only can't miss guy I saw this year was Curry, and even that wouldn't have helped our pass rush.

These are my thoughts right here.I thought that the Browns would've landed more for the #5 overall. And while they recieved a nice coup for the #5 spot, I thought that Mack and either a 1st-2nd next year should've been in order.Either way, as a Steeler fan, I'm glad that the pass rush wasn't addressed to much (other than K. Coleman and D. Veikune) with the picks they acquired. They focused more on the offense, which wasnt TOO bad last year.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I certainly would have done the same, although I don't make the same picks. The Mack pick is warming up to me because Center is an important spot in the division and Hank Fraley was getting blown off the line of scrimmage. Plus, Pittsburgh was looking center.

It just really stinks that the market to move up into the top 5 this year from the #17 only netted the Browns a second rounder, two non-impact starters, and a project QB. I remember when we moved up to grab Winslow, we paid with a second round pick and that was only to move up one spot.

We didn't get fair market value, but if the staff wasn't 100% in love with someone at #5, why invest those guaranteed millions? I'd rather blow our cap money on proven entities or can't miss players. The only can't miss guy I saw this year was Curry, and even that wouldn't have helped our pass rush.

That was because Butch Davis was an idiot more than anything else.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I certainly would have done the same, although I don't make the same picks. The Mack pick is warming up to me because Center is an important spot in the division and Hank Fraley was getting blown off the line of scrimmage. Plus, Pittsburgh was looking center.

It just really stinks that the market to move up into the top 5 this year from the #17 only netted the Browns a second rounder, two non-impact starters, and a project QB. I remember when we moved up to grab Winslow, we paid with a second round pick and that was only to move up one spot.

We didn't get fair market value, but if the staff wasn't 100% in love with someone at #5, why invest those guaranteed millions? I'd rather blow our cap money on proven entities or can't miss players. The only can't miss guy I saw this year was Curry, and even that wouldn't have helped our pass rush.

That was because Butch Davis was an idiot more than anything else.

Ya know what though? Davis was right on the Winslow pick.He doesn't blow out his knee on a desperate onside kick, and he would have definitely been Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzales in his prime elite. The guy was quick as lightning with hands like glue even after the knee injury and the motorcycle accident. I believe that if he never blew out his knee in the first place, he wouldn't have lost focus and went Evel Knievel on us.

Now Gerard Warren over LaDanian Tomlinson and Richard Seymour: that's another story.