BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (1 Viewer)

[GreatLakesMike]

I agree, pay Cribbs. Long overdue.

 

[dancingbones]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Got the "rushing TD by a RB" monkey off our back, and snapped the looooong drought of wins vs. the Steelers.

Love that the team is improving over the season rather than falling apart.

I got to see BIG smiles on my boy's faces this morning when I told them the Browns had won. Felt great to see that even though we live in MN and they have been clamoring to watch the Vikings on Sundays, a Browns win produced a smiling morning at the casa de dancingbones. I hope they keep it up and finish this season strong.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Nothing personal, but gawd I hate when people say that. It's a nice way of saying "god our team blows so bad that we have to put all our eggs in that pathetic basket." Seriously, as a fan of the team, I see this as acceptance of a losing team. No, this wasn't the Brown's super bowl. It was a single win in a dismal season. You can put lipstick on a pig if you want, but it's still a pig. And I certainly hope the front office isn't thinking the way you are.<steps off soap box>

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Would have rather had 1.01.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Nothing personal, but gawd I hate when people say that. It's a nice way of saying "god our team blows so bad that we have to put all our eggs in that pathetic basket." Seriously, as a fan of the team, I see this as acceptance of a losing team. No, this wasn't the Brown's super bowl. It was a single win in a dismal season. You can put lipstick on a pig if you want, but it's still a pig. And I certainly hope the front office isn't thinking the way you are.<steps off soap box>

See my posts in the "Steelers Fans - Recovery Thread" in the FFA.I made this exact point.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Would have rather had 1.01.

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Would have rather had 1.01. :(

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

You haven't seen Suh play?

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Would have rather had 1.01.

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

You haven't seen Suh play?

Don't stress about it. The draft is eons away, and the NFL is too much about measurables, and not enough game play experience. Suh has a mediocre combine, and he can slip in a heartbeat.

 

[amnesiac]

Would have rather had 1.01.

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

imo you basically have to draft Peyton Manning for the pick to be worth it.i draw the line somewhere around pick #6 where it starts to be reasonable in the risk/reward analysis.of course, i'm not sure how the "uncapped" year is going to affect all of this.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Would have rather had 1.01.

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

You haven't seen Suh play?

Don't stress about it. The draft is eons away, and the NFL is too much about measurables, and not enough game play experience. Suh has a mediocre combine, and he can slip in a heartbeat.

They mentioned during the Big 12 Title game that Su was undersized, so that alone could cause him to slip. All I'm saying is that due to the enormous contract and guaranteed money that the #1 pick will demand, he HAS to be great, not good, but great. I'd rather trade down and acquire picks, but at the very least, I think getting out of the #1 spot is a good thing, not a bad thing.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Would have rather had 1.01.

No thanks. The #1 pick has to be an absolute stud in order for a franchise to get their money's worth out of him. Way too much guaranteed money for an unproven player. Plus, I'll take a win over Pittsburgh any day of the week. This rivalry was pretty much dead.

imo you basically have to draft Peyton Manning for the pick to be worth it.i draw the line somewhere around pick #6 where it starts to be reasonable in the risk/reward analysis.of course, i'm not sure how the "uncapped" year is going to affect all of this.

I agree. It's one of the reasons why we see the same teams drafting in the top 5 year in and year out. Not the only reason, or "the" reason, but certainly one of the reasons.

 

[dancingbones]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Nothing personal, but gawd I hate when people say that. It's a nice way of saying "god our team blows so bad that we have to put all our eggs in that pathetic basket." Seriously, as a fan of the team, I see this as acceptance of a losing team. No, this wasn't the Brown's super bowl. It was a single win in a dismal season. You can put lipstick on a pig if you want, but it's still a pig. And I certainly hope the front office isn't thinking the way you are.<steps off soap box>

Nothing personal, but I think you're kidding yourself a bit here. This team DOES blow so bad that they hadn't beaten the Steelers in 12 games. That is pathetic.SO, this team IS a losing team - and they've been playing like losers for a long time. As a fan, you really don't have any choice but to accept that or to argue against it. And as a Browns fan, if you're argued against the fact that this team has flat out been a bad football team, then you're looked like a fool.Hopefully this win can be the spark to turn this around. Otherwise, it is not just a single win in a dismal season, it is a single win in a dismal DECADE!

 

[wadegarrett]

WKNR's Tony Rizzo confirms Mike Holmgren was in town last night having dinner w/ Browns brass.

 

[wadegarrett]

Cleveland Browns wining and dining Mike Holmgren

By Tony Grossi

Cleveland.com

December 15, 2009, 11:22AM

BEREA -- Not only is Mike Holmgren continuing a visit with the Browns today, but The Plain Dealer has learned that Bob LaMonte, Holmgren's long-time friend and agent, is with him.

That means the Browns likely are negotiating to wrap up a deal to make Holmgren the Browns' head of football operations.

LaMonte is known to get involved with his many coaching and executive clients only when a deal is near.

Holmgren was the No. 1 choice of Lerner to revamp his football operations a year ago, but Holmgren decided to take the 2009 season off after retiring as Seattle coach.

Browns spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz confirmed Holmgren's visit, which included a very public dinner with Lerner and others at a local restaurant.

"He is visiting the Browns," Bonsiewicz said. "He got here (Monday) and is here today. He was invited by Randy Lerner and accept the invitations. That's all we've got to say at this time."

Bonsiewicz said he did not know how long Holmgren would be in town and whether a deal is being negotiated.

Holmgren coached in Seattle for 10 years and in Green Bay for seven, taking both teams to the Super Bowl and winning once with the Packers. He retired from coaching after the 2008 season and has decided he wants to run a club's front office rather than continue coaching.

Lerner has been mum on his plans other than to say he wants to hire a "serious, credible leader" to ravamp his team's beleaguered football operations.

Lerner recently added high-profile local lawyer Fred Nance to his organization as general counsel. In an interview with The Plain Dealer, Nance said, "I think there are good things to come in Berea."

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I'll take it. I like the idea of Holmgren working with Quinn.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I'll take it. I like the idea of Holmgren working with Quinn.

I like the idea of a successful guy with a proven track record coming to Cleveland.... especially with 11 picks in next year's draft.

 

[Bobcat10]

Isn't the Seattle GM gig open? While I'm not doubting the sources, I thought that's what Holmgren longed for. Maybe we are offering :boatloads:

 

[Fallerjw]

I'll take it. I like the idea of Holmgren working with Quinn.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Nothing personal, but gawd I hate when people say that. It's a nice way of saying "god our team blows so bad that we have to put all our eggs in that pathetic basket." Seriously, as a fan of the team, I see this as acceptance of a losing team. No, this wasn't the Brown's super bowl. It was a single win in a dismal season. You can put lipstick on a pig if you want, but it's still a pig. And I certainly hope the front office isn't thinking the way you are.<steps off soap box>

Nothing personal, but I think you're kidding yourself a bit here. This team DOES blow so bad that they hadn't beaten the Steelers in 12 games. That is pathetic.SO, this team IS a losing team - and they've been playing like losers for a long time. As a fan, you really don't have any choice but to accept that or to argue against it. And as a Browns fan, if you're argued against the fact that this team has flat out been a bad football team, then you're looked like a fool.Hopefully this win can be the spark to turn this around. Otherwise, it is not just a single win in a dismal season, it is a single win in a dismal DECADE!

I'm not sure who you are arguing with here. Look like it's me, but you didn't say anything that I don't aboslutely agree with. So I'm kind of

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Isn't the Seattle GM gig open? While I'm not doubting the sources, I thought that's what Holmgren longed for. Maybe we are offering :boatloads:

Yes, but from what I understand, Holmgren wants a deal done before Christmas, and Seattle is not in any hurry to get one done.

 

[wadegarrett]

Seahawks apparently willing to let Holmgren walk

Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 8:01 AM ET

Profootballtalk.com

Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren hasn't been coy about his interest in returning to the Seahawks in a front-office capacity. One day after G.M. Tim Ruskell resigned, Holmgren said he'd "absolutely" like to talk.

But the feeling apparently isn't "absolutely" mutual.

ESPN's John Clayton reports that the search firm lining up candidates for the General Manager position has not contacted Holmgren. Though it's possible that Holmgren has been contacted directly by the Seahawks, the fact that the Seahawks are moving slowly and the reality that Holmgren wants to move quickly suggests that the Seahawks aren't interested in Holmgren, and that they're trying to avoid saying so.

If that's the case, it's not a surprise. As we recently pointed out, CEO Tod Leiweke might not be inclined to sit through an encore of the Big Show, given that Leiweke is now in position to finagle top billing.

Though the failure to pursue Holmgren might not go over well in Seattle, he's smart enough to take the hint. And with the Browns ready to give him the keys to the franchise and by all appearances no non-football guy like Leiweke in a position to have his turf threatened there, Cleveland makes the most sense for Holmgren.

 

[Bobcat10]

Seahawks apparently willing to let Holmgren walk

Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 8:01 AM ET

Profootballtalk.com

Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren hasn't been coy about his interest in returning to the Seahawks in a front-office capacity. One day after G.M. Tim Ruskell resigned, Holmgren said he'd "absolutely" like to talk.

But the feeling apparently isn't "absolutely" mutual.

ESPN's John Clayton reports that the search firm lining up candidates for the General Manager position has not contacted Holmgren. Though it's possible that Holmgren has been contacted directly by the Seahawks, the fact that the Seahawks are moving slowly and the reality that Holmgren wants to move quickly suggests that the Seahawks aren't interested in Holmgren, and that they're trying to avoid saying so.

If that's the case, it's not a surprise. As we recently pointed out, CEO Tod Leiweke might not be inclined to sit through an encore of the Big Show, given that Leiweke is now in position to finagle top billing.

Though the failure to pursue Holmgren might not go over well in Seattle, he's smart enough to take the hint. And with the Browns ready to give him the keys to the franchise and by all appearances no non-football guy like Leiweke in a position to have his turf threatened there, Cleveland makes the most sense for Holmgren.

Sweet. But can somebody translate the bolded sentence for me?

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Seahawks apparently willing to let Holmgren walk

Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 8:01 AM ET

Profootballtalk.com

Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren hasn't been coy about his interest in returning to the Seahawks in a front-office capacity. One day after G.M. Tim Ruskell resigned, Holmgren said he'd "absolutely" like to talk.

But the feeling apparently isn't "absolutely" mutual.

ESPN's John Clayton reports that the search firm lining up candidates for the General Manager position has not contacted Holmgren. Though it's possible that Holmgren has been contacted directly by the Seahawks, the fact that the Seahawks are moving slowly and the reality that Holmgren wants to move quickly suggests that the Seahawks aren't interested in Holmgren, and that they're trying to avoid saying so.

If that's the case, it's not a surprise. As we recently pointed out, CEO Tod Leiweke might not be inclined to sit through an encore of the Big Show, given that Leiweke is now in position to finagle top billing.

Though the failure to pursue Holmgren might not go over well in Seattle, he's smart enough to take the hint. And with the Browns ready to give him the keys to the franchise and by all appearances no non-football guy like Leiweke in a position to have his turf threatened there, Cleveland makes the most sense for Holmgren.

Sweet. But can somebody translate the bolded sentence for me?

I think he's trying to say that Leiweke doesn't want to give up any power to Holmgren. Holmgren will assume complete control of football operations wherever he lands. At least that's the way I'm reading it..... not completely sure though.

 

[amnesiac]

i guess that's kind of cool that they might hire Holmgren.

doesn't seem all that interesting to me, except that i'm glad that they are hiring someone with some experience.

 

[scothawk]

Everyone rush to the wire and grab whomever is the Browns FB

We could be seeing a lot of FB draw plays in 2010. An integral part of the prevent offense

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Everyone rush to the wire and grab whomever is the Browns FBWe could be seeing a lot of FB draw plays in 2010. An integral part of the prevent offense

How many Super Bowls did you guys play in before Holmgren? The guy has 5 of your franchise's 8 playoff wins and you're rushing in here to badmouth him because you know so much more about winning football? Are you enjoying the offense this year?

 

[Bobcat10]

Everyone rush to the wire and grab whomever is the Browns FBWe could be seeing a lot of FB draw plays in 2010. An integral part of the prevent offense

Start a fantasy thread about it.And last I heard, he's not looking to coach or call plays, so I'm not sure that thread will be very successful.

 

[scothawk]

Everyone rush to the wire and grab whomever is the Browns FBWe could be seeing a lot of FB draw plays in 2010. An integral part of the prevent offense

Start a fantasy thread about it.And last I heard, he's not looking to coach or call plays, so I'm not sure that thread will be very successful.

He wants control of everythingThats the point. He wont be able to resist.

 

[amnesiac]

Everyone rush to the wire and grab whomever is the Browns FB

We could be seeing a lot of FB draw plays in 2010. An integral part of the prevent offense

Start a fantasy thread about it.And last I heard, he's not looking to coach or call plays, so I'm not sure that thread will be very successful.

He wants control of everythingThats the point. He wont be able to resist.

not sure he's going to find that in Cleveland.that's kind of why Lerner is hiring a GM, he doesn't want Mangini in control of everything.

 

[dancingbones]

Well, that game was the Browns' Superbowl this year. Feels great to come away with a W.

Nothing personal, but gawd I hate when people say that. It's a nice way of saying "god our team blows so bad that we have to put all our eggs in that pathetic basket." Seriously, as a fan of the team, I see this as acceptance of a losing team. No, this wasn't the Brown's super bowl. It was a single win in a dismal season. You can put lipstick on a pig if you want, but it's still a pig. And I certainly hope the front office isn't thinking the way you are.<steps off soap box>

Nothing personal, but I think you're kidding yourself a bit here. This team DOES blow so bad that they hadn't beaten the Steelers in 12 games. That is pathetic.SO, this team IS a losing team - and they've been playing like losers for a long time. As a fan, you really don't have any choice but to accept that or to argue against it. And as a Browns fan, if you're argued against the fact that this team has flat out been a bad football team, then you're looked like a fool.Hopefully this win can be the spark to turn this around. Otherwise, it is not just a single win in a dismal season, it is a single win in a dismal DECADE!

I'm not sure who you are arguing with here. Look like it's me, but you didn't say anything that I don't aboslutely agree with. So I'm kind of

No worries. I'm not quite sure who I was arguing with either. Something in your post must have rubbed me the wrong way and I think I mistook what you were saying. In any case, it was a big game for the Browns, and I hope this win can be a step in building this team into a winning franchise.

 

[wadegarrett]

Mike Holmgren may clarify plans on Seattle radio show

By Tony Grossi

December 17, 2009, 11:36PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren may disclose on his weekly radio show in Seattle today whether he will accept a conditional Browns' offer to become their new senior executive of football operations.

And even if he doesn't tip his hand, signs point to Holmgren taking the job contingent on finalizing a deal with the club.

In breaking their silence Thursday on Holmgren's two-day visit to their facility, the Browns did not deny a report that the job had been offered.

Bill Bonsiewicz, the Browns' vice president of communications, said: "We had a productive meeting over the course of a couple days. We agreed to communicate again in the coming days. I can tell you the one thing we have not discussed to this point is money."

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

 

[Bobcat10]

Wonder who the lucky minority will be for the Rooney interview.. . . .... .. .

 

[Bobcat10]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

 

[wadegarrett]

Wonder who the lucky minority will be for the Rooney interview.. . . .... .. .

If this Holmgrem signing is imminent, they must have already done it.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Mike Holmgren may clarify plans on Seattle radio show

By Tony Grossi

December 17, 2009, 11:36PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren may disclose on his weekly radio show in Seattle today whether he will accept a conditional Browns' offer to become their new senior executive of football operations.

And even if he doesn't tip his hand, signs point to Holmgren taking the job contingent on finalizing a deal with the club.

In breaking their silence Thursday on Holmgren's two-day visit to their facility, the Browns did not deny a report that the job had been offered.

Bill Bonsiewicz, the Browns' vice president of communications, said: "We had a productive meeting over the course of a couple days. We agreed to communicate again in the coming days. I can tell you the one thing we have not discussed to this point is money."

We could do a lot worse. Lerner definitely wants to win, he just needs to bring in the right guys.

 

[Bobcat10]

Wonder who the lucky minority will be for the Rooney interview.. . . .... .. .

If this Holmgrem signing is imminent, they must have already done it.

Yeah probably. I just wanted to make light of the Rooney Rule. Not a big fan of it.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

Do you think he's going to do well? Do you think he's going to actually run (as a RB) out of traditional offensive sets? Or do you think there will be more wilddawg? I mean, is there any indication he will run out of I-Form at all? Obviously Mangini isn't going to divulge his game plan but certainly the locals are speculating. I'm just looking for some insight.

 

[amnesiac]

Wonder who the lucky minority will be for the Rooney interview.. . . .... .. .

If this Holmgrem signing is imminent, they must have already done it.

or he might just pay the fine.i mean, if he's paying Holmgren a reported 8-10 million a year, a $200,000 fine isn't a big deal.

 

[Bobcat10]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

Do you think he's going to do well? Do you think he's going to actually run (as a RB) out of traditional offensive sets? Or do you think there will be more wilddawg? I mean, is there any indication he will run out of I-Form at all? Obviously Mangini isn't going to divulge his game plan but certainly the locals are speculating. I'm just looking for some insight.

I don't have any special insight on this. I personally think he'll see less than 5 plays against KC in a traditional RB set, which could be fine because I like him taking the direct snap. If he does well, maybe more next week. Wouldn't be suprised to see 15 touches overall (excluding special teams) and against KC that could mean good things for fantasy, which I assume is why you're asking.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

Do you think he's going to do well? Do you think he's going to actually run (as a RB) out of traditional offensive sets? Or do you think there will be more wilddawg? I mean, is there any indication he will run out of I-Form at all? Obviously Mangini isn't going to divulge his game plan but certainly the locals are speculating. I'm just looking for some insight.

I don't have any special insight on this. I personally think he'll see less than 5 plays against KC in a traditional RB set, which could be fine because I like him taking the direct snap. If he does well, maybe more next week. Wouldn't be suprised to see 15 touches overall (excluding special teams) and against KC that could mean good things for fantasy, which I assume is why you're asking.

It is. Cool.

 

[zamboni]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

Do you think he's going to do well? Do you think he's going to actually run (as a RB) out of traditional offensive sets? Or do you think there will be more wilddawg? I mean, is there any indication he will run out of I-Form at all? Obviously Mangini isn't going to divulge his game plan but certainly the locals are speculating. I'm just looking for some insight.

I don't have any special insight on this. I personally think he'll see less than 5 plays against KC in a traditional RB set, which could be fine because I like him taking the direct snap. If he does well, maybe more next week. Wouldn't be suprised to see 15 touches overall (excluding special teams) and against KC that could mean good things for fantasy, which I assume is why you're asking.

Seems like he has a bit of ankle issue and was limited in practice. Has there been any local indication that he may not be able to suit up?

 

[JMJ]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving ... 6 pts TD ... No PPRWould you start him over Hines Ward, Dwayne Bowe, or Jerricho Cotchery?

 

[Bobcat10]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving ... 6 pts TD ... No PPRWould you start him over Hines Ward, Dwayne Bowe, or Jerricho Cotchery?

You can start 3 of the 4? Ward, Cribbs and probably Bowe IMO. Not sure about Bowe as I have not read up enough on what he's been doing during and post suspension.

 

[Bobcat10]

So.......anyone have any idea what's going to happen with Cribbs this week?

He's gonna play alot and touch the ball alot.

Do you think he's going to do well? Do you think he's going to actually run (as a RB) out of traditional offensive sets? Or do you think there will be more wilddawg? I mean, is there any indication he will run out of I-Form at all? Obviously Mangini isn't going to divulge his game plan but certainly the locals are speculating. I'm just looking for some insight.

I don't have any special insight on this. I personally think he'll see less than 5 plays against KC in a traditional RB set, which could be fine because I like him taking the direct snap. If he does well, maybe more next week. Wouldn't be suprised to see 15 touches overall (excluding special teams) and against KC that could mean good things for fantasy, which I assume is why you're asking.

Seems like he has a bit of ankle issue and was limited in practice. Has there been any local indication that he may not be able to suit up?

Have not heard much about this. Something to keep an eye on I suppose.

 

[wadegarrett]

Listening to Holmgren on his Seatlle radio show...still mulling his options and has not made a decision, but sounds like he wants to come to Cleveland.

 

[amnesiac]

winnable game today if they can keep some of their momentum from the Steelers game.

starting to think they should keep Mangini one more year if they can finish this season strong.

 

[wadegarrett]

Jerome . Awesome game.

to the O-Line too.

 

[Tecumseh]

PAY THE MAN!!!!!!!!!11111111EIN!

 

[Fallerjw]

PAY THE MAN!!!!!!!!!11111111EIN!