RB2 would be the maximum upside to expect, and only if Jamal gets hurt or benched.draft him as a RB4 due to the uncertainty. if he splits carries, he may be a halfway decent RB3. but my expectation is that he wont start to really split carries until about game 5 or 6.
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BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (1 Viewer)
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amnesiac
beer is good
anything is better than ending up with Dorsey starting last year. thank goodness Mangini understands QB depth.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
So we put in the claim and then don't play DA or Brady....not risking injury or something fishy is going on?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
One year too late...
amnesiac
beer is good
that's why i'd be suprised.and i just re-read part of that thread the other day. most Browns fans were in favor of trading him then.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Amen. That said, I'm sure he still has some value if someone wants him, of course not as much as he once had.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'd rather keep DA rotting on the bench than trade him to Belicheck and watch him win 4 Super Bowls MVPs.
eric rymer
Footballguy
do any of you guys have any insight/news on who they are going to give the nod to at our starting QB?
eric rymer
Footballguy
I saw that two. the article I read that in said they must have something in the works for them to leave an open slot.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
You just picked up DeAngelo Smith from the Cowboys.
The 53rd man on the Cowboys' roster is Marvin White, a safety claimed
on waivers from the Bengals.
White (6-1, 205) was a fourth-round pick in 2007 out of TCU. He
started 10 games last season before suffering a torn ACL.
You could consider this a White-for-Roy Williams trade.
In other safety news, Cowboys fifth- rounder DeAngelo Smith was
claimed by the Browns.
I'm not knocking him-I like Smith. He's a project, but there's some talent there. A little humor for you all:
He was beat in a foot race by our kicker during a practice. Mind you our kicker runs a 4.5.
The 53rd man on the Cowboys' roster is Marvin White, a safety claimed
on waivers from the Bengals.
White (6-1, 205) was a fourth-round pick in 2007 out of TCU. He
started 10 games last season before suffering a torn ACL.
You could consider this a White-for-Roy Williams trade.
In other safety news, Cowboys fifth- rounder DeAngelo Smith was
claimed by the Browns.
I'm not knocking him-I like Smith. He's a project, but there's some talent there. A little humor for you all:
He was beat in a foot race by our kicker during a practice. Mind you our kicker runs a 4.5.
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kaa
Footballguy
It would have been wrong to trade DA last year. The focus isn't about getting the absolute maximum value in a trade for one of these two QBs. Its about trying to determine if one of them is the future franchise QB of the Cleveland Browns. If the Browns spent an extra year or two making sure they get it right, and then wind up getting less in a trade involving the odd-man out, that's a tremendous win for this franchise.They shouldn't rush to trade one of them. They should properly evaluate them.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Couldn't disagree more on most of your points. You're right, it's not just about getting maximum value, it is about getting maximum value when the signs are there and the writing is on the wall. Don't take my "One year too late" comment like I'm just coming to this conclusion. My evaluation on DA was done a long time ago and he's done absolutely nothing to change it. I've been very consistent on the subject around here. Your post is spoken like somebody who still has high hopes for DA. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm sorry, I'm not in that boat and never was. He'll always show flashes because he's a big arm guy, but he won't get over the hump, or near it imo.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
6 players have been named to the practice squad, leaving 2 spots still available:
RB Chris Jennings
WR Lance Leggett
OL Pat Murray
DL Brian Schaefering
LB Titus Brown
DB Brandon Anderson
Beau Bell is not likely to fill one of the two remaining spots.
RB Chris Jennings
WR Lance Leggett
OL Pat Murray
DL Brian Schaefering
LB Titus Brown
DB Brandon Anderson
Beau Bell is not likely to fill one of the two remaining spots.
kaa
Footballguy
I don't consider my self a fan of either player. I'm a fan of the Browns, and I just want to win.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Glad Jennings and Leggett slipped through, both looked like they have some potential.Love the Peerman pick up too, wonder if that means Harrison's headed to the PUP. I don't see Jamal going anywhere but don't see us holding 4 RB's either. I see Jamal losing touches but would be shocked if he's cut anytime before next offseason.
baconisgood
Footballguy
DA's skillset is the antithesis of what Belicheck wants in a QB- he would be a perfect fit for the Raiders though. Maybe thats why the Browns are keeping him- hoping for an injury/heartattack to Jamarcus.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Brett Favre looks awful, Mangini and Rob Ryan expose him to the tune of 3 INTs. However, Adrian Peterson runs wild, and Jamal Lewis can't crack the Williams bros (they're allowed to play, right?). Brady Quinn dinks and dunks, but is relatively ineffective.
Vikings 17-13. Browns' lone TD comes on an Abram Elam INT return.
Peterson: 200 total yards and a TD.
Vikings 17-13. Browns' lone TD comes on an Abram Elam INT return.
Peterson: 200 total yards and a TD.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Anderson was released and they added LB Marcus Benard, OL Corey Hilliard, and DL Keith Grennan who was on the Chargers practice squad last year and was just released September 5th.Vikings 27, Browns 17 but hope it's the opposite.
dancingbones
Footballguy
Favre picked off for 2 TDs, plus 6 sacks for the Browns. ADP runs wild. Browns 27-24. :crossesfingers:
Go BROWNS!
Go BROWNS!
dancingbones
Footballguy
Favre picked off for 2 TDs, plus 6 sacks for the Browns. ADP runs wild. Browns 27-24. :crossesfingers:Go BROWNS!
Might be another long year. On the bright side, when they're down by 3 TDs, at least they're still playing to win - going for it on 4th & 10 and still trying to put points on the board. Hopefully Mangini can turn these guys around and Quinn can get some more accuracy on those throws.Otherwise - Uggh.
amnesiac
beer is good
so, they have Denver this week. should be a winnable game, especially if they can show the focus they had in the first half against the Vikings.
Denver has a pretty good home record over the years though. should be a pretty close game.
wouldn't be suprised to see Edwards go off.
Denver has a pretty good home record over the years though. should be a pretty close game.
wouldn't be suprised to see Edwards go off.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
what do you mean still? why would you think differently after one week?unless you really thought they were going to beat the Vikings?
nxmehta
Footballguy
If you're combining our win total over this year and next, sure.Otherwise,
MAC_32
Footballguy
I wanted to us in action, there was a lot to be desired but that wasn't a bad team I saw. Minnesota' very, very good, but Cleveland's at worst average.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Jerome Harrison might play today!!! I just want that guy to get his shot so I can get over my man crush or have my man crush validated.
amnesiac
beer is good
you still feeling 9 wins? cause i'm not sure i'm sticking with my 6-8 win projection at this point.
amnesiac
beer is good
didn't he buy a house in Strongsville?
nxmehta
Footballguy
God that game was terrible. I don't even know if I can stand by my 4 win prediction.
This is not a good football team. The most depressing part is that with all the changes we still look as bad as last year. There's not a good excuse for that... I mean, I expected us to lose at least 12 games, but holy hell I thought we would look at little better in doing so this year.
There are some immediate changes that need to be made, the first of which is sitting John St. Claire's ### on the bench. Then the coaching staff has got to start getting creative on the offense somehow... how, I don't know.
At least put a team on the field that isn't going to embarrass us. Go ahead and lose every game, I don't care, but at least play some decent football.
This is not a good football team. The most depressing part is that with all the changes we still look as bad as last year. There's not a good excuse for that... I mean, I expected us to lose at least 12 games, but holy hell I thought we would look at little better in doing so this year.
There are some immediate changes that need to be made, the first of which is sitting John St. Claire's ### on the bench. Then the coaching staff has got to start getting creative on the offense somehow... how, I don't know.
At least put a team on the field that isn't going to embarrass us. Go ahead and lose every game, I don't care, but at least play some decent football.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If we keep playing like that we'll be lucky to beat Detroit.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
We all watch alot of football. It sickens me, as I'm sure it does you, that our offense is the way it is. For as bad as Dallas looked at times last night, they sure had a few dominating drives where they couldn't be stopped. I'm sure that might not be the best example, but it's the most recent. It's not like it's a new thing with the Browns. Been like this for 10 years besides a few nice offensive spurts. This is not one persons fault, not Brady's fault, not Braylon's fault...it's everyone. Very frustrated right now...
dancingbones
Footballguy
:( Sucks to be a Browns fan right now. My 9 year old is asking me why can't we be fans of a good team, like the Vikings.
Such is the life of a Browns fan in MN. 
amnesiac
beer is good
so you're giving up on winning the Lions game?
MAC_32
Footballguy
If Braylon's gone, Dez Bryant. I hope they give up on the Cribbs experiment now and let the rooks take their lumps to see what we've got there. If we can make due with Robiskie-Massaquoi-Furrey or other misc. slot/possession WR then Bryant becomes less of a necessity. My hang up being he looks to be the one potential elite WR available in this draft and the best I've seen since Calvin, tough passing that up.If they give up on the QB's, Sam Bradford. I'd be real curious to see what they'd do with DA and Quinn if this happened, but if this season continues as is given how little the coaching staff seemed to have thought of both since getting here I would not be surprised.There aren't any RB's worth that pick, a lot of options available with our 2nd round pick and if we trade Braylon the 1st round pick he'd net. Jonathan Dwyer and Jahvid Best stick out, maybe pair James Davis with his college teammate CJ Spiller? Personally I'd prefer to focus elsewhere, pluck RB's off the scrap heap, and work on upgrading RB after the rest of the team is caught up since it's the shortest transition to the NFL.Haven't really scouted or dug into defensive personnel, but from what little I've read it'd be something to focus on after the top pick.Basically, if I had to say right now, I'd want us to trade Braylon, pick Bryant, and go defense with the pick couped in the Braylon deal and the top pick of round 2.
