Buckhalter Scoring Change (1 Viewer)

[oukurt]

Anyone with a link directly to the Elias Bureau that shows the change?

 

[The Contrarian]

As the commish I am aware that the change will break a tie, but it is the owners responsibility to show the stat change.

 

[oukurt]

As the commish I am aware that the change will break a tie, but it is the owners responsibility to show the stat change.

What proof do you want the owner to provide? I am just curious to how you handle it. I have the same rule set in my league. Would the KFFL link be enough? Would the link from the Eagles.com be enough?

 

[Nemesis]

I was playing the division co-leader this wkend and lost to him.

But this change now gives me the .5 WIN and quite possibly the division crown!

I just called him and informed of the bad news.

 

[The Contrarian]

As the commish I am aware that the change will break a tie, but it is the owners responsibility to show the stat change.

What proof do you want the owner to provide? I am just curious to how you handle it. I have the same rule set in my league. Would the KFFL link be enough? Would the link from the Eagles.com be enough?

If they can show me the the link I will do my best to verify. If I can verify through 2nd and 3rd party sources, the change gets made.

 

[The Scorpion]

Below is our rule due to many debats over the years. Regardless of the site, fanball for us, or yahoo or CBS, unless NFL.com changes it, or announces it, we will abide by that scoring, even if fanball credits the TD to McNabb. No NFL.com, no score.

OFFICIAL STATS

We had some problems with stats being different on some web sites such as NFL.com, Yahoo and CBS.com

We will abide the scoring on the Fanball site unless there is a dispute between box scores on Fanball and NFL.com. NFL.com is the official box score so in the case of a dispute we will use NFL.com, and adjust manually. It sometimes takes 2 or 3 days for box scores to become official. Submit any score discrepancies you may see to the commissioner and your opponent and it will be reviewed. Score corrections can take place until the first kickoff of the following week, after that the score is final.

 

[Nemesis]

If anybody uses RT Sports, here's what support emailed back to me:

We have been made aware of the change by our stats provider. We will beupdating the scoring either this evening or tomorrow morning and will postan alert to your homepage.BarbRealTime Fantasy Sports, Inc.

RTS has posted the alert on the league home page and changed the scores/records.

 

[Trey]

Anyone have an MFL update?

That's what counts for me...

 

[oukurt]

Anyone have an MFL update?

That's what counts for me...

http://sidelineleagues.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17796

 

[buccosfan]

Elias missed the boat on this one. It was a reception and a fumble.

Sorry if you lose your game because of this, but it was NOT a Reggie Brown reception.

Sorry, you're dead wrong. I was not affected in any way by the call. I have seen it probably 50 times. He had it, made a move and fumbled. Simple.

 

[my man otis]

well when nfl.com changes it leagues might be able to change it, but until then

nfl.com will never change it. Elias feeds sportsline so expect the change if it hasn't happened already.

 

[This_Guy]

Elias missed the boat on this one. It was a reception and a fumble.

Sorry if you lose your game because of this, but it was NOT a Reggie Brown reception.

Sorry, you're dead wrong. I was not affected in any way by the call. I have seen it probably 50 times. He had it, made a move and fumbled. Simple.

Was it a "football" move?

 

[my man otis]

great, this scoring change is HUGE, lets hope they treat if correctly, esp. sportsline

From what I've seen Sportsline is the one site without a backbone and will leave this scoring adjustment up to the discretion of our Commissioners. As if our Commissioners have ANY integrity.

you are dead wrong.sportsline takes in updates daily from elias and adjusts as needed. i believe it's thru the thursday overnight feed.

 

[MrPack]

 

[Marvelous]

well when nfl.com changes it leagues might be able to change it, but until then

nfl.com will never change it. Elias feeds sportsline so expect the change if it hasn't happened already.

On the myfantasyleague site, they had a list of all the stat changes. For week 8, there was a stat change for Arnaz Battle (one of his pass receptions was change to a rush for -3 yards). I looked it up on nfl.com. The boxscore showed the old stats. But if you click on the players name and look at his game log, the stats are updated there.

 

[baronson]

sportsline takes in updates daily from elias and adjusts as needed. i believe it's thru the thursday overnight feed.

can someone else verify this? this would save me a lot of trouble with a surly commish.

 

[dotsonian]

Can anyone verify if Yahoo will make this adjustment? I saw on the link for McNabb's recent news that there is a scoring change but the yahoo stats do not reflect it.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Yahoo has made the change in my league.

 

[my man otis]

well when nfl.com changes it leagues might be able to change it, but until then

nfl.com will never change it. Elias feeds sportsline so expect the change if it hasn't happened already.

On the myfantasyleague site, they had a list of all the stat changes. For week 8, there was a stat change for Arnaz Battle (one of his pass receptions was change to a rush for -3 yards). I looked it up on nfl.com. The boxscore showed the old stats. But if you click on the players name and look at his game log, the stats are updated there.

I was referring to the gamecenter stats, and even the gamebook if stats are changed quite a bit after the game. Good to know that the game logs are changed though, thanks.

 

[my man otis]

my sportsline leagues have not yet been updated.

why doesn't your commish just ask sportsline about it? they usually get back to me in a day or two.

 

[Sack-Religious]

well when nfl.com changes it leagues might be able to change it, but until then

nfl.com will never change it. Elias feeds sportsline so expect the change if it hasn't happened already.

On the myfantasyleague site, they had a list of all the stat changes. For week 8, there was a stat change for Arnaz Battle (one of his pass receptions was change to a rush for -3 yards). I looked it up on nfl.com. The boxscore showed the old stats. But if you click on the players name and look at his game log, the stats are updated there.

I was referring to the gamecenter stats, and even the gamebook if stats are changed quite a bit after the game. Good to know that the game logs are changed though, thanks.

FWIW, and this may be saying the same thing you just did, the PHI gamebook from this past weekend is reflecting the change. McNabb now has 257 yards passing and 2 TD's. Brown has 1 reception for 18 yards and Buckhalter has 1 reception for 55 yards.

 

[SmallDawgsBITE]

NFL.Com has updated the gamecenter

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_WAS@PHI

 

[tpiddy]

myfantasyleague had the update this morning, along with the Deuce McAllister's change as well

The Elias Sports Bureau reviewed film of the Saints-Steelers game and changed the ruling on a 4 yard TD by Deuce McAllister. They changed it from a Rushing TD to an Offensive Fumble Recovery TD. The following stats have changed as a result:

• Deuce McAllister: from 15 rushes for 60 yards and 2 Rushing TDs to 14 rushes for 56 yards and 1 Rushing TD.

• Deuce McAllister: from 1 own fumble recovery for 0 yards and 0 TDs to 1 own fumble recovery for 4 yards and 1 Offensive Fumble Recovery TD of 4 yards.

• Drew Brees: from 3 rushes for 14 yards to 4 rushes for 14 yards.

 

[littletank]

Dam

I lost by 1 point because of the REggie Brown change. Dropped from 1st to 3rd

 

[Rounders]

My commish won't change it! He says that the weeks scores are final and "it's too late to go back and change the results". Total BS

I'm still pleading with him, since I lost by 1 point, a 4 point TD pass would be huge!

 

[piston pete griffin]

DamI lost by 1 point because of the REggie Brown change. Dropped from 1st to 3rd

Our league locks the scores as final Tuesday morning. I would have won if this was called right on the field Sunday

 

[SmallDawgsBITE]

My commish won't change it! He says that the weeks scores are final and "it's too late to go back and change the results". Total BSI'm still pleading with him, since I lost by 1 point, a 4 point TD pass would be huge!

Your commish is a f'ing IDIOT! Unless he has something specifically written in the rules, that all scores are final as on Monday night's game, it should be changed.Makes no sense that the NFL says McNabb has x amount of TD's along with NFL.Com, Yahoo, ESPN and other sources but your league says he has 1 less. I'd ask him for a rule or let him know if your site was being hosted by RTS or Yahoo, it'd been done automatically, and he'd have no option.

 

[Reider]

cbssportsline.com and NFL.com have now changed the box score but have not yet changed the fantasy stats for McNabb. Here is the link.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/l...0061112_WAS@PHI

 

[SmallDawgsBITE]

DamI lost by 1 point because of the REggie Brown change. Dropped from 1st to 3rd

Our league locks the scores as final Tuesday morning. I would have won if this was called right on the field Sunday

Dumb! Just because some in the booth for NFL.Com made the incorrect ruling and then another corrected it, shouldn't effect your game. McNabb was given the TD pass, PERIOD. Any leagues not honoring it, are simply creating their own set of stats for the NFL.

 

[C-Pod]

I was playing the division co-leader this wkend and lost to him.But this change now gives me the .5 WIN and quite possibly the division crown!I just called him and informed of the bad news.

I am in the exact same sitch. Except that my commissioner has not replied regarding the TD change yet.I have a gut feeling my league will #### out and not change my score.

 

[timintey]

why is Brown still showing 2-38?

 

[Rounders]

My commish won't change it! He says that the weeks scores are final and "it's too late to go back and change the results". Total BSI'm still pleading with him, since I lost by 1 point, a 4 point TD pass would be huge!

Your commish is a f'ing IDIOT! Unless he has something specifically written in the rules, that all scores are final as on Monday night's game, it should be changed.Makes no sense that the NFL says McNabb has x amount of TD's along with NFL.Com, Yahoo, ESPN and other sources but your league says he has 1 less. I'd ask him for a rule or let him know if your site was being hosted by RTS or Yahoo, it'd been done automatically, and he'd have no option.

Actually he pointed to a rule that says all games are final as of 8:00 PM Central time on Wednesday, I was unware of the rule and brought it to his attention at 8:31 PM. Shame on me for being late, but does anyone know when the change was announced?

 

[LA Football Fan]

We have a policy in our league that says no changes unless Sportsline changes it. Sportsline previously had told us that they will change it up to the Thursday night data dump. Now they are saying they don't change it after Tuesday. I've got two p'o'd owners, and this commish is unclear what to do.

Policy says no change...but policy based on flawed info from Sportsline.

Sportsline...if you are watching...CHANGE THIS THING!!!

 

[The Scorpion]

We have a policy in our league that says no changes unless Sportsline changes it. Sportsline previously had told us that they will change it up to the Thursday night data dump. Now they are saying they don't change it after Tuesday. I've got two p'o'd owners, and this commish is unclear what to do. Policy says no change...but policy based on flawed info from Sportsline.Sportsline...if you are watching...CHANGE THIS THING!!!

Below is our rule, which I think is reasonable. If your league says Wed, that is too bad for those owners, but we give it a week.OFFICIAL STATSWe had some problems with stats being different on some web sites such as NFL.com, Yahoo and CBS.comWe will abide the scoring on the Fanball site unless there is a dispute between box scores on Fanball and NFL.com. NFL.com is the official box score so in the case of a dispute we will use NFL.com, and adjust manually. It sometimes takes 2 or 3 days for box scores to become official. Submit any score discrepancies you may see to the commissioner and your opponent and it will be reviewed. Score corrections can take place until the first kickoff of the following week, after that the score is final.

 

[The Scorpion]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

 

[Marvelous]

Thanks for all the info guys. My commissioner has ruled to allow the score correction. The info here was extremely helpful.

 

[Pipes]

My commish won't change it! He says that the weeks scores are final and "it's too late to go back and change the results". Total BSI'm still pleading with him, since I lost by 1 point, a 4 point TD pass would be huge!

Your commish is a f'ing IDIOT! Unless he has something specifically written in the rules, that all scores are final as on Monday night's game, it should be changed.Makes no sense that the NFL says McNabb has x amount of TD's along with NFL.Com, Yahoo, ESPN and other sources but your league says he has 1 less. I'd ask him for a rule or let him know if your site was being hosted by RTS or Yahoo, it'd been done automatically, and he'd have no option.

Actually he pointed to a rule that says all games are final as of 8:00 PM Central time on Wednesday, I was unware of the rule and brought it to his attention at 8:31 PM. Shame on me for being late, but does anyone know when the change was announced?

The change was announced yesterday afternoon but I'm not sure where you can find a link that would have a time on it. Yahoo for example didn't make this correction until some time after midnight.

 

[UlyssesNorris]

I really hope Sportsline does this on its own. This play means the difference between winning and losing for me, and I happen to be the league commish.

 

[fatness king]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

I'm guessing its going to be manual. It would be nice if Fanball changed it, but it will probably be time consuming for them.Edit (from FB forums):Originally posted by mlindgren:Once scoring is run it is finalized on our end, as rerunning scoring could cause issues with leagues claiming systems and other free agent acquisitions. That being said, when the NFL changes a stat after our scoring has been completed, it is up to each individual league to decide if they will use the changed stats. Leagues that want make the correction will need to do a Scoring Override (under the commissioner tab at the top of the page). Once you update the scores, the system will then recalculate the W/L and adjust the standings as necessary.

 

[UlyssesNorris]

I really hope Sportsline does this on its own. This play means the difference between winning and losing for me, and I happen to be the league commish.

For those on Sportsline who don't know this already, the site is aware of the change but, because it happened after their Tuesday deadline, they're leaving it up to each league's commisioner to make the change. It's addressed in their "Help" section.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Why do you guys use Sportsline? It's a #### site. MFL or RT is miles better.

 

[FFdork]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

I do. In the commish forums it says that they will not rerun the official scoring because it screws up other automated processes (e.g. claims). It's up to individual commissioners to manually overide scoring.

 

[Ramer]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

I do. In the commish forums it says that they will not rerun the official scoring because it screws up other automated processes (e.g. claims). It's up to individual commissioners to manually overide scoring.

Im the commish in our league and use Fanball. They did the updating themselves, around 1pm pacific time.

 

[fatness king]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

I do. In the commish forums it says that they will not rerun the official scoring because it screws up other automated processes (e.g. claims). It's up to individual commissioners to manually overide scoring.

Im the commish in our league and use Fanball. They did the updating themselves, around 1pm pacific time.

You mean Fanball updated the scoring? Strange, our league hasn't been updated yet. We're on server 9.

 

[LA Football Fan]

Here was a response I got from Sportsline. They leave out the fact they previously sent me a response that said they make changes through the Thursday evening data dump. In fact, they made a change earlier in the season on a scoring change for Thomas Jones in the Thursday run. These people are liars. I suppose most people on footballguys would say, what do you expect, it's Sportsline...serves you right. Well, you are right...this will be our last season on the site.

Customer 11/16/2006 11:55 AM

What is your exact policy on making scoring changes? I thought you would make changes up through Thursday night...now you are saying Tuesday. Therefore, we had a policy not to change your scoring. Now you are saying otherwise. This is an absolute outrage and shows your continued incompetance. Make the damn change...I've got a freakin' league revolt on my hands.

Response (Commish Sam) 11/16/2006 02:09 PM

Following the completion of each week's games, all statistics and point totals are verified, and corrections are made where necessary. However, all statistics and point totals for the week are considered FINAL as of Tuesday night. If a stat correction is announced for the previous weekend's games on Wednesday or later, it will not be included in our statistics and your official Fantasy scoring will be based on the original statistic. This policy has been in place for several years, and will not be changed this season.

 

[The Scorpion]

My question is does anyone use fanball commissioner and know if they will change the scores, or do we need to do it manually. I posted the question in their forum as well and have not received a response.

I do. In the commish forums it says that they will not rerun the official scoring because it screws up other automated processes (e.g. claims). It's up to individual commissioners to manually overide scoring.

Im the commish in our league and use Fanball. They did the updating themselves, around 1pm pacific time.

You mean Fanball updated the scoring? Strange, our league hasn't been updated yet. We're on server 9.

Fanball does not update scoring ever, see the comment above. If your fanball scoring was updated, then your commissioner did it. You can check this by looking at results from week 10 and see if the score is manually adjusted.

 

[PegCityPimp]

The fact that sportsline refuses to make a uniform change in this case makes this issue a point of contention in my league. We run our league through sportsline and have never changed a rule mid season. We normally revisit oversights in league scoring in the offseason and accept faults in our scoring untill they come to light. In this case, the NFL ruled late, past the CBS Tuesday night deadline. We don't have a stated cut off toaccept stat corrections so, given our league history it seems we should go with the what the site has ruled and address in the offseason. At the same time the scoring has been changed--right or wrong--and it seems wrong to penalize the McNabb owner for a late correction. This is a mess...

Is everyone giving the McNabb owner the points?? or is this on a case by case basis??

Terrible way to lose--or win...is a tie a solution?

 

[shadyridr]

The fact that sportsline refuses to make a uniform change in this case makes this issue a point of contention in my league. We run our league through sportsline and have never changed a rule mid season. We normally revisit oversights in league scoring in the offseason and accept faults in our scoring untill they come to light. In this case, the NFL ruled late, past the CBS Tuesday night deadline. We don't have a stated cut off toaccept stat corrections so, given our league history it seems we should go with the what the site has ruled and address in the offseason. At the same time the scoring has been changed--right or wrong--and it seems wrong to penalize the McNabb owner for a late correction. This is a mess... Is everyone giving the McNabb owner the points?? or is this on a case by case basis??Terrible way to lose--or win...is a tie a solution?

He got a TD pass. Whether he was credited with it on Sunday or Wednesday is a non issue. Seems like an obvious decision to me.

 

[my man otis]

I stand corrected with Sportsline. I've seen game results change on Thursday nights into Friday, which is contradictory to what they are saying below. The fact that the don't change after Tuesday nights anymore is disappointing and doesn't make any real sense to me other than to assume they don't have the IT resouces to do so.

Question What is the deal with the McNabb TD to Buckhalter? Answer Occasionally the NFL will make an official scoring change a day or more after games are played. If we receive their scoring change by the end of the day on Tuesday, we will update the site (anything we receive after that will not be included).In Football Commissioner leagues, the commissioner can include scoring changes that are made on Wednesday or later by using the “Adjust Scoring” feature at the bottom of the Scoreboard/GameCenter page. For commissioners that wish to adjust the scoring to include the NFL’s change on Wednesday for the Eagles/Redskins game, the official information is as follows:The Elias Sports Bureau reviewed film of the Redskins-Eagles game and changed the ruling on a TD by Correll Buckhalter from a 37 yard Offensive Fumble Recovery TD (off of a reception and fumble by Reggie Brown) to a 55 yard passing TD from Donovan McNabb. The following stats have changed as a result:• Donovan McNabb: from 222 passing yards to 257 passing yards.• Donovan McNabb: from 1 passing TD to 2 passing TDs.• Correll Buckhalter: from 1 own fumble recovery for 37 yards and a TD to 0 fumble recoveries.• Correll Buckhalter: from 0 receptions to 1 reception for 55 yards and a TD.• Reggie Brown: from 2 receptions for 38 yards to 1 reception for 18 yards.

 

[PegCityPimp]

Non issue??

The issue is the correction came after the league cut off. We don't have a league rulethat supercedes the CBS rule. I lost a title two years ago because of a discrepency in our league rules,which we have since corrected. If we didn't vote or step in then with a title on the line--why would we make a new rule over a week 10 match-up that doesn't mean jack?