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[ExaltedOne]

I do think Julio would have been a better pick than Thomas.

I like Julio and he was a consideration but I like what Thomas brings to the table as a blocker. He also had a higher catch% and committed no penalties last season (despite being in a new offense with a new QB).

 

[Whoosah]

3.9 Dolphins select Randall Cobb, WRAs much as I wanted to shore up my lines better, I wanted a play maker on the offense who can also potentially return kicks for me. The fact he is a top 10 WR in most rankings and is only 22 shows how lethal this guy is going to be in the coming seasons.

Top 10? Maybe for fantasy but not for real life.

Perhaps you are right in the fantasy vs real life, but my logic is that the Packers currently use him as a Darren Sproles type as WR/RB. You even saw it a few times with the Packers when he was in the back field with Rodgers. Not to mention that Cobb only started 8 games (played mostly slot) and put up almost 1000 yards receiving. I like that his versatility allows me to use him in multiple ways, similar to Percy Harvin.

 

[Bamac]

3.13 Tampa Bay -- BRANDON FLOWERS, CB.

Undersized, but fast and tough. Think a bunch of CBs will be gone by my next pick.

2.13 Charles Johnson, DE

1.20 Sam Bradford, QB

 

[RBM]

Can we ease back on the write ups? Very annoying seeing like 4 people have the "best LT in football" and every cb is a "true shutdown corner". Im probably guilty as well and realize we want to show off our pick, but the hyperbole is a little out of control. I think I really started noticing when the AJ Green/Dem Thomas guy made a comment about no defense being able to stop this combo.

I thought it started when you said Flacco was more talented than RG3 and Wilson

Throwing the football, he is more talented. They can def run faster though.

Not really.

I've got end of season rankings from Jaws and Gil Brandt backing this. Hard to find two more respected guys around the league. Don't want to link the rankings but its more than enough for me to be confident with that claim/pick.

 

[Bamac]

Please PM Duckboy; I'm drafting by phone.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

He's viewing the thread but I'll send a PM.

 

[ExaltedOne]

3.9 Dolphins select Randall Cobb, WRAs much as I wanted to shore up my lines better, I wanted a play maker on the offense who can also potentially return kicks for me. The fact he is a top 10 WR in most rankings and is only 22 shows how lethal this guy is going to be in the coming seasons.

Top 10? Maybe for fantasy but not for real life.

FWIW Profootballfocus has him listed as #11 WR in 2012. He had the highest catch % of any receiver in the league with at least 100 targets. He was also the 13th best returner by their ratings.Factor in his age and he's easily top 10.

 

[ExaltedOne]

3.13 Tampa Bay -- BRANDON FLOWERS, CB.

Good value pick. I considered him at 3.11

 

[FUBAR]

3.9 Dolphins select Randall Cobb, WR

As much as I wanted to shore up my lines better, I wanted a play maker on the offense who can also potentially return kicks for me. The fact he is a top 10 WR in most rankings and is only 22 shows how lethal this guy is going to be in the coming seasons.

Top 10? Maybe for fantasy but not for real life.

FWIW Profootballfocus has him listed as #11 WR in 2012. He had the highest catch % of any receiver in the league with at least 100 targets. He was also the 13th best returner by their ratings.Factor in his age and he's easily top 10.

With Rodgers at QB, and the way he's used, he better have a high %.

 

[Duckboy]

Again, several options here, most if not all of which will be gone by my next pick.

3.14 CB Johnathan Joseph

 

[RBM]

3.9 Dolphins select Randall Cobb, WRAs much as I wanted to shore up my lines better, I wanted a play maker on the offense who can also potentially return kicks for me. The fact he is a top 10 WR in most rankings and is only 22 shows how lethal this guy is going to be in the coming seasons.

Top 10? Maybe for fantasy but not for real life.

FWIW Profootballfocus has him listed as #11 WR in 2012. He had the highest catch % of any receiver in the league with at least 100 targets. He was also the 13th best returner by their ratings.Factor in his age and he's easily top 10.

Was Larry Fitz in their top ten?

 

[ExaltedOne]

Was Larry Fitz in their top ten?

Fitzgerald had a terrible 2012 season. 48% catch rate, 5 drops, 11.2 yards per catch, 3.9 YAC/rec, long of 37, only 4 TDs.He didn't even make the top 50.I'm not suggesting that last year's stats should be an exact correlation to any player's 2013 ranking. I was suggesting that Cobb's stats were promising and he should be considered in the top 10 based on those and his age (he's younger than many receivers being drafted this year).

 

[IHEARTFF]

only 3.1 targets a game for Spiller is akin to lighting cigars with $20 bills

You're right. I was going off of what he got last season. The offense I envision has him being used in many different ways. Out of the backfield, in the slot, or out wide with DT or AJ in the slot. These three guys will create a lot of mismatches that my (yet to be named) QB can take advantage of. I was just trying to show that there are plenty of balls to go around. In fact, I could bump him up to 100 targets (which is more than what Sproles got) and I'd still have plenty of balls to go around.

I agree and I think your offense is looking very interesting. I could see Julio over DThomas, but AJ Green & DThomas is an incredible duo and better than any in the current NFL. Spiller is a game changer and possibly the top RB in this format. Whoever said they are not a good fit is talking crazy. Not a good fit for the defense trying to cover 2 incredible WRs, maybe.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Randall Cobb is fine here. Not sure of the exact order of WRs taken, but around #10 or so is fine.

 

[Whicker]

The only problem I see with Cobb is that he isn't (or at least hasn't been) a true go-to guy. If you think that he can fill that role, then by all means it is a great pick.

 

[Concept Coop]

Fitzgerald had a terrible 2012 season. 48% catch rate, 5 drops, 11.2 yards per catch, 3.9 YAC/rec, long of 37, only 4 TDs.He didn't even make the top 50.I'm not suggesting that last year's stats should be an exact correlation to any player's 2013 ranking. I was suggesting that Cobb's stats were promising and he should be considered in the top 10 based on those and his age (he's younger than many receivers being drafted this year).

If Larry doesn't make the top 50, it only shows how much situation has to do with the ranking system. It's quite a stretch to suggest Cobb is a top 10 NFL WR, in my opinion. He's a slot guy and isn't a threat to continually handle double teams on the outside. He was in a great situation and his production would suffer outside of it.

 

[Bamac]

3.13 Tampa Bay -- BRANDON FLOWERS, CB.

Good value pick. I considered him at 3.11

Thanks. My theme so far seems to be good, young guys on bad teams.

 

[RBM]

Let's not use any ranking of Cobb for justification in which he is ahead of Larry Fitzgerald.

Fwiw I like the Cobb pick in this scenario. But this is what I meant with the write up hyperbole. We all know Cobb is a dangerous weapon, we don't need your personal ranking of him mixed in.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Fitzgerald had a terrible 2012 season. 48% catch rate, 5 drops, 11.2 yards per catch, 3.9 YAC/rec, long of 37, only 4 TDs.He didn't even make the top 50.I'm not suggesting that last year's stats should be an exact correlation to any player's 2013 ranking. I was suggesting that Cobb's stats were promising and he should be considered in the top 10 based on those and his age (he's younger than many receivers being drafted this year).

If Larry doesn't make the top 50, it only shows how much situation has to do with the ranking system. It's quite a stretch to suggest Cobb is a top 10 NFL WR, in my opinion. He's a slot guy and isn't a threat to continually handle double teams on the outside. He was in a great situation and his production would suffer outside of it.

Again I wasn't talking ranking it is about 2012 stats. Fitzgerald did not transcend his system. Without naming names, there are several top WRs who had bad situations at QB and still managed to put up better stats (and made it into the top 25). In the right system, Cobb could be top 10. There are other slot type receivers who have been considered top 10 in the past, and he did lineup outside and perform well when given the chance. For what is essentially a "dynasty" style draft, his age and versatility make him even more valuable.

 

[Nucker101]

Fitzgerald had a terrible 2012 season. 48% catch rate, 5 drops, 11.2 yards per catch, 3.9 YAC/rec, long of 37, only 4 TDs.He didn't even make the top 50.I'm not suggesting that last year's stats should be an exact correlation to any player's 2013 ranking. I was suggesting that Cobb's stats were promising and he should be considered in the top 10 based on those and his age (he's younger than many receivers being drafted this year).

If Larry doesn't make the top 50, it only shows how much situation has to do with the ranking system. It's quite a stretch to suggest Cobb is a top 10 NFL WR, in my opinion. He's a slot guy and isn't a threat to continually handle double teams on the outside. He was in a great situation and his production would suffer outside of it.

Totally agree here.

 

[FUBAR]

3.15 Henry Melton, DT

Considered going Corner here, but with Melton, Miller and Earl Thomas; pedestrian corners will be able to stay with most WRs. Perhaps not the Browns, but their QB can't throw from his back.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

3.15 Henry Melton, DTConsidered going Corner here, but with Melton, Miller and Earl Thomas; pedestrian corners will be able to stay with most WRs. Perhaps not the Browns, but their QB can't throw from his back.

One of the players I was thinking of going with instead of Dareus at 3.8

 

[ExaltedOne]

pedestrian corners will be able to stay with most WRs. Perhaps not the Browns, but their QB can't throw from his back.

He can if his name is Kyle Boller

 

[FUBAR]

3.15 Henry Melton, DTConsidered going Corner here, but with Melton, Miller and Earl Thomas; pedestrian corners will be able to stay with most WRs. Perhaps not the Browns, but their QB can't throw from his back.

One of the players I was thinking of going with instead of Dareus at 3.8

I'll trade you wanted Dareus here, but Melton suffices.

 

[ExaltedOne]

3.15 Henry Melton, DT

Good pick.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

3.15 Henry Melton, DTConsidered going Corner here, but with Melton, Miller and Earl Thomas; pedestrian corners will be able to stay with most WRs. Perhaps not the Browns, but their QB can't throw from his back.

One of the players I was thinking of going with instead of Dareus at 3.8

I'll trade you wanted Dareus here, but Melton suffices.

I went with Dareus for a reason. ;P

 

[Concept Coop]

Again I wasn't talking ranking it is about 2012 stats. Fitzgerald did not transcend his system. Without naming names, there are several top WRs who had bad situations at QB and still managed to put up better stats (and made it into the top 25).

I think you're flirting with - or hinting at - quite a claim. There are bad situations, then there is the worst QB situation I recall in recent memory. ****** would have been a massive upgrade. Larry has put up numbers in bad situations in the past, and if it was just bad in 2012, he would have again.

...and he did lineup outside and perform well when given the chance.

Do you realize they started [others] started over Cobb on the outside? The only action Cobb on the outside was when both [*starters*] were down. When it comes to playing outside, he was the 4th option on his own team.

For what is essentially a "dynasty" style draft, his age and versatility make him even more valuable.

I agree he is valuable. But top 10 and valuable are not the same thing. When everyone was healthy, Cobb was only on the field for 50-60% of his teams snaps. On what team would Larry Fitzgerald be on the bench that much?

 

[ExaltedOne]

Please refrain from naming players not yet taken. (and edit your post to remove them if you don't mind).

Let's just agree to disagree. I did not select Cobb and would not have selected him this early I was just pointing to stats that showed its not that far-fetched.

I did not claim that Cobb is better than Fitzgerald either. All I said was that Cobb had good stats and Fitzgerald had bad stats.

 

[Concept Coop]

Please refrain from naming players not yet taken. (and edit your post to remove them if you don't mind).Let's just agree to disagree. I did not select Cobb and would not have selected him this early I was just pointing to stats that showed its not that far-fetched.I did not claim that Cobb is better than Fitzgerald either. All I said was that Cobb had good stats and Fitzgerald had bad stats.

My bad. I think I filtered it all out.

 

[shake zula]

3.16 James Laurinaitis, MLB

 

[shake zula]

So I have not opined much but FWIW:

Great Picks:

Campbell

Peterson

Atkins

JPP

Suprising Picks:

Wilson

Harvin

Reves

Long, Spiller, and Cobb are imo the three worst picks. Salary cap wise I'd have to argue that Long would be the worst. He isn't a to LT anymore and may not even survive his next contract.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I was under the impression there was not salary cap rules so I don't see the Long issue. If this draft was done last year, he'd be a first round pick. I'm not a fan of Long this early but it's not egregiously bad.

Spiller and Cobb if used conventionally are reaches but they offer unique skillsets and if used right the picks will be justified easily.

Ironically enough, I find the Laurinaitis pick the worst so far.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Can we ease back on the write ups? Very annoying seeing like 4 people have the "best LT in football" and every cb is a "true shutdown corner". Im probably guilty as well and realize we want to show off our pick, but the hyperbole is a little out of control. I think I really started noticing when the AJ Green/Dem Thomas guy made a comment about no defense being able to stop this combo.

I thought it started when you said Flacco was more talented than RG3 and Wilson

Throwing the football, he is more talented. They can def run faster though.

Not really.

I've got end of season rankings from Jaws and Gil Brandt backing this. Hard to find two more respected guys around the league. Don't want to link the rankings but its more than enough for me to be confident with that claim/pick.

Being a more advanced NFL QB (as compared to 2 rookies) after being in the league for 5 seasons does not equal "more talented".

 

[ExaltedOne]

I've got end of season rankings from Jaws and Gil Brandt backing this. Hard to find two more respected guys around the league. Don't want to link the rankings but its more than enough for me to be confident with that claim/pick.

Being a more advanced NFL QB (as compared to 2 rookies) after being in the league for 5 seasons does not equal "more talented".

I'm not even sure he's more advanced at this point. He had a lower QB rating than either despite being on a team with superbowl-winning talent.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Fitzgerald did not transcend his system. Without naming names, there are several top WRs who had bad situations at QB and still managed to put up better stats (and made it into the top 25).

A bad situation is one thing, Jon Skelton and/or Ryan Lindley is something far worse than any WR could ever possibly imagine dealing with.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Fitzgerald did not transcend his system. Without naming names, there are several top WRs who had bad situations at QB and still managed to put up better stats (and made it into the top 25).

A bad situation is one thing, Jon Skelton and/or Ryan Lindley is something far worse than any WR could ever possibly imagine dealing with.

I won't argue this point.

 

[RBM]

Concept Coop should be a judge.

 

[Wu-banger]

So I have not opined much but FWIW:Great Picks:CampbellPetersonAtkinsJPPSuprising Picks:WilsonHarvinRevesLong, Spiller, and Cobb are imo the three worst picks. Salary cap wise I'd have to argue that Long would be the worst. He isn't a to LT anymore and may not even survive his next contract.

In this format there are no salary cap implications...so.that is not a factor.We will just have to disagree on Long.....he has a clean bill of health now and I expect / hope he returns to form.If so , he is a top 3 LT and a steal in the late 3rd to protect Luck for 7-10 years.

 

[IHEARTFF]

UNDRAFTEDS!

Spoiler

j/k, nobody is going to draft those bags of AIDS

 

[Whoosah]

Fitzgerald did not transcend his system. Without naming names, there are several top WRs who had bad situations at QB and still managed to put up better stats (and made it into the top 25).

A bad situation is one thing, Jon Skelton and/or Ryan Lindley is something far worse than any WR could ever possibly imagine dealing with.

I won't argue this point.

I don't think there should be an argument if this is alluding to a Fitzgerald vs Cobb discussion. Not saying it is, but yes, Fitzerald is a beast and a stud #1WR. I like Cobb for his versatility to catch/run/return the ball. Not to mention that he is only 22, has a lot of time to grow and develop even more than what he already is doing gives me belief that he could be a focal point on my team (and on the Packers in real life) moving forward.

 

[RBM]

I've got end of season rankings from Jaws and Gil Brandt backing this. Hard to find two more respected guys around the league. Don't want to link the rankings but its more than enough for me to be confident with that claim/pick.

Being a more advanced NFL QB (as compared to 2 rookies) after being in the league for 5 seasons does not equal "more talented".

I'm not even sure he's more advanced at this point. He had a lower QB rating than either despite being on a team with superbowl-winning talent.

You guys won't let this die huh...wow. I'll defer to Jaws and Gil for my justification. Jaws had him 8th and Brandt had him 3rd, behind Rodgers and Ryan on his qbs under 30 list.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Fitz was drafted well before Cobb, not sure where this argument is coming from exactly.

 

[Wu-banger]

At no point in his NFL career will Randall Cobb be better than Larry Fitzgerald...

Let's end these shenanigans .

 

[shake zula]

So I have not opined much but FWIW:Great Picks:CampbellPetersonAtkinsJPPSuprising Picks:WilsonHarvinRevesLong, Spiller, and Cobb are imo the three worst picks. Salary cap wise I'd have to argue that Long would be the worst. He isn't a to LT anymore and may not even survive his next contract.

In this format there are no salary cap implications...so.that is not a factor.We will just have to disagree on Long.....he has a clean bill of health now and I expect / hope he returns to form.If so , he is a top 3 LT and a steal in the late 3rd to protect Luck for 7-10 years.

I don't know if he ever returns to form but I can't see him playing another 7-10 years.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Right. I'm not even sure why Fitzgerald was brought up. Fitzgerald is an amazing WR who had a terrible year. Maybe he was a little frustrated with his QB situation as well over all these years and maybe he gave up a little in 2012. I hope for his sake that AZ gets a real QB this offseason.

If anything, Cobb compares most to Percy Harvin, and I don't think anyone said anything about that pick. He's the example of how Cobb could be used as a #1.

 

[shake zula]

I was under the impression there was not salary cap rules so I don't see the Long issue. If this draft was done last year, he'd be a first round pick. I'm not a fan of Long this early but it's not egregiously bad.Spiller and Cobb if used conventionally are reaches but they offer unique skillsets and if used right the picks will be justified easily. Ironically enough, I find the Laurinaitis pick the worst so far.

Yeah I don't agree at all on Spiller or Cobb. They offer skills that ubiquitous. Without naming names I think both are easily replaced.

 

[Wu-banger]

So I have not opined much but FWIW:Great Picks:CampbellPetersonAtkinsJPPSuprising Picks:WilsonHarvinRevesLong, Spiller, and Cobb are imo the three worst picks. Salary cap wise I'd have to argue that Long would be the worst. He isn't a to LT anymore and may not even survive his next contract.

In this format there are no salary cap implications...so.that is not a factor.We will just have to disagree on Long.....he has a clean bill of health now and I expect / hope he returns to form.If so , he is a top 3 LT and a steal in the late 3rd to protect Luck for 7-10 years.

I don't know if he ever returns to form but I can't see him playing another 7-10 years.

10 maybe stretching it a bit but he is not even 28 yet.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Yeah I don't agree at all on Spiller or Cobb. They offer skills that ubiquitous. Without naming names I think both are easily replaced.

Was there another RB (other than ADP and Spiller) who averaged 6.0 YPC last season? Because I didn't see one. Only 4 RBs had more receiving yards, and they all had more targets.

 

[Wu-banger]

I was under the impression there was not salary cap rules so I don't see the Long issue. If this draft was done last year, he'd be a first round pick. I'm not a fan of Long this early but it's not egregiously bad.Spiller and Cobb if used conventionally are reaches but they offer unique skillsets and if used right the picks will be justified easily. Ironically enough, I find the Laurinaitis pick the worst so far.

Yeah I don't agree at all on Spiller or Cobb. They offer skills that ubiquitous. Without naming names I think both are easily replaced.

Agreed, if you put a number of similar WRs in that offense with Rodgers they would succeed .Cobb is a nice piece of the puzzle , but isn't the main piece...Still too early to judge any picks though .

 

[shake zula]

Yeah I don't agree at all on Spiller or Cobb. They offer skills that ubiquitous. Without naming names I think both are easily replaced.

Was there another RB (other than ADP and Spiller) who averaged 6.0 YPC last season? Because I didn't see one. Only 4 RBs had more receiving yards, and they all had more targets.

We are talking about skill set or production? You can't go by one season. Spiller and Cobb are somewhat one dimensional regardless of their production.