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[Meecrob]

On the other hand, if Geno Smith is a star, that's one of my favorite teams.

It's interesting because the Browns have spent the most picks overall and the most early picks on offense. However, despite spending so much more than the other teams, I wouldn't consider them in my top 3 offenses. I consider the the Saints, Steelers, and Cowboys to each be better in terms of ceiling to floor ratio. Those 3 teams also have a better defensive core in my opinion.

I think comparing the Saints, Steelers, Cowboys, and Browns really shows the advantage of having an early pick/established franchise QB. (Freeman isn't one necessarily but I'd rather roll the dice on Freeman than Geno at this point.)

I agree with the bolded. Obviously a lot is riding on Geno Smith, but I don't think any rookie QB has ever inherited such a great offense. Most teams bad enough to draft the top QB don't have this kind of talent. Geno was extremely productive and accurate in college, he doesn't rely on his legs to make plays, and he doesn't turn the ball over.As for the other offensive squads I think the Browns are better, but obviously I'm biased.

Cowboys - Similar QB at best (Freeman has been just OK), much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs may be a tad bit better, TE is much worse, C, RG, and RT are much worse. So basically they might have a little bit better WRs. Browns win.

Saints - Better QB, much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs are worse, TE is much worse, o-line is much worse across the board. Only way this is a better offense is if Geno is a total bust.

Steelers - Better QB, much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs are probably a little worse, TE is much worse, left o-line may be slightly better but right side is much worse. Again the only way this is a better offense is if Geno is a total bust.

Ex I think you are past the point of objectivity and letting your bias take over. I like your offense don't get me wrong. But consider the below...- How can Freeman be a similar QB to Geno at BEST when Geno has yet to play a snap? Shouldn't it be more like " Freeman is a better QB at LEAST until Geno can prove otherwise?

- Much worse rb....well yea I haven't drafted one yet.

- I won't be drafting a FB as the spread O will not use one so no basis of comparison to your team.

- Much worse TE... Ertz is a rookie so it should be more like Gonzales is a better TE at least until Ertz can prove otherwise, and by default he will in 2 seasons when Tony G retires.

- I'm confused why Rookie vs vet Geno got the free pass in your first statement and is already at least as good as Freeman, but Ertz did not get the same treatment when comparing to your TE?

- C and RG I don't have yet so no basis of comparison... And my RT was the best pass blocking Tackle r or l, in the league last year, so disagree that your rt is better.

Again I like your offense; just want to point out that some of these arguments u are making don't make sense to me at least.

Winston Justice was the best...? Based on what?

QB pressures allowed in pass block attempts...I'm on an iPad but when I'm not I'll find the link for you.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

That seems like a cherry-picked stat. I'm not saying he's not a good pass protector but to call him the best tackle in the league at it seems like an exaggeration to me.

 

[Nate Blough]

14.28 Baltimore Ravens select Jon Baldwin, WR

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Why was Gandalas skipped? 14.26 was made at 9 EST.

 

[gandalas]

I was wondering myself why I was skipped at 1 AM (4 hour clocks on weekend), and I DO need another WR, so I could be a #### and take Baldwin from you, but I won't do that...

I can't believe that he is not gone yet, but I will take at 13.27, WR Justin Hunter.

Almost all the way back from his injury last year...ran a great time at the combine.

 

[gandalas]

And on the topic of dominant offenses, I will match my Niners offense up against anyone...

QB: Brees

RB: Trent Richardson

WR: Victor Cruz

WR: Marques Colston

LT: Eric Fisher

LG:

C: Robert Turner

RG: Brandon Moore

RT: David Stewart

 

[ExaltedOne]

And on the topic of dominant offenses, I will match my Niners offense up against anyone...QB: BreesRB: Trent RichardsonWR: Victor CruzWR: Marques ColstonLT: Eric FisherLG: C: Robert TurnerRG: Brandon MooreRT: David Stewart

Yeah I actually like your offense a lot more than the 3 that AA listed.

 

[FUBAR]

And on the topic of dominant offenses, I will match my Niners offense up against anyone...QB: BreesRB: Trent RichardsonWR: Victor CruzWR: Marques ColstonLT: Eric FisherLG: C: Robert TurnerRG: Brandon MooreRT: David Stewart

For the next few years, you're one of the top, if not the top offense. But I still like my future. We all probably like our teams of course. Russell Wilson,QB 24 David Wilson, RB 21 Dez Bryant, WR 24 Zach Miller, TE 27 Eugene Monroe, LT 25 Max Unger, C 26 Jahri Evans, OG 29 Orlando Franklin, RT 23 Most of these guys haven't reached their prime yet, and the only real question is the RB.

 

[ExaltedOne]

- C and RG I don't have yet so no basis of comparison... And my RT was the best pass blocking Tackle r or l, in the league last year, so disagree that your rt is better.Again I like your offense; just want to point out that some of these arguments u are making don't make sense to me at least.

Winston Justice was the best...? Based on what?

QB pressures allowed in pass block attempts...I'm on an iPad but when I'm not I'll find the link for you.

That is completely bogus. I am looking at PFF right now. Winston Justice had 477 dropbacks. On those 477 dropbacks he allowed 3 sacks, 6 hits, 26 hurries for a total of 35 pressures. That is 7.3% pressures allowed. This ranks 32nd. Gosder Cherilus had 788 dropbacks, 4 sacks, 7 hits, 27 hurries for a total of 38 pressures. That is 4.8%. This ranks 10th in the league.Gosder is clearly much better at pass blocking. Just the fact that you have no C or RG means that by default yours are worse. Nobody left on the board are even close to as talented as Sullivan and Vasquez, who each also had better pass blocking efficiency than Winston Justice.

 

[ExaltedOne]

It's frustrating that people are writing off Geno Smith like he's an obvious bust when 99% of analysts agree that he is the best QB in the class and will be a top 10 pick. Jaws even said he thought a team in need of a QB should trade up to #1 to select him.

I compare him to Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers who weren't the obvious #1 overall pick. They have similarly quick releases and are extremely successful because of a)great offensive weapons around them and b)they are accurate and don't commit turnovers. Geno had 70% completion rating and only threw 6 interceptions to 42 touchdowns. You can say well he had great weapons but I like AJ/Demaryius/Gonzo/Spiller/Reece way more than those guys.

It's not like it's rare anymore for a rookie QB to come in and light it up in year 1. In fact, it's now happened 5 times in the last two seasons.

2011: Cam, Dalton

2012: Luck, RG3, Wilson

None of these guys had the weapons that Geno would have in this scenario.

 

[FUBAR]

It's frustrating that people are writing off Geno Smith like he's an obvious bust when 99% of analysts agree that he is the best QB in the class and will be a top 10 pick. Jaws even said he thought a team in need of a QB should trade up to #1 to select him.I compare him to Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers who weren't the obvious #1 overall pick. They have similarly quick releases and are extremely successful because of a)great offensive weapons around them and b)they are accurate and don't commit turnovers. Geno had 70% completion rating and only threw 6 interceptions to 42 touchdowns. You can say well he had great weapons but I like AJ/Demaryius/Gonzo/Spiller/Reece way more than those guys.It's not like it's rare anymore for a rookie QB to come in and light it up in year 1. In fact, it's now happened 5 times in the last two seasons. 2011: Cam, Dalton2012: Luck, RG3, WilsonNone of these guys had the weapons that Geno would have in this scenario.

I won't write off Geno, but I don't put him near Ryan or Rodgers. He seems more in the Sam Bradford mold, which isn't bad. His stats were impressive, but his game against Oklahoma might be the only real impressive game last year. He was on a team that needed to throw as their D was straight-up horrible, and he had the luxury of two good WRs (one has already been drafted here). I think he'll be decent, but the only reason he's a top 10 pick is a lack of QBs.then again, Wilson, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all weren't elite prospects either, so we'll see how it turns out. If he went to your team he'd have a better chance than he will in real life.

 

[Late225]

Let's not forget that close to half of the rookies will be busts and most of us will look idiots in three years based on our teams.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Let's not forget that close to half of the rookies will be busts and most of us will look idiots in three years based on our teams.

 

[Meecrob]

14.29 Houston Selects - Terrence Cody NT

"Mount Cody" will be serving as the 3-4 NT for my D, occupy blockers and pushing people around.

 

[Meecrob]

- C and RG I don't have yet so no basis of comparison... And my RT was the best pass blocking Tackle r or l, in the league last year, so disagree that your rt is better.

Again I like your offense; just want to point out that some of these arguments u are making don't make sense to me at least.

Winston Justice was the best...? Based on what?

QB pressures allowed in pass block attempts...I'm on an iPad but when I'm not I'll find the link for you.

That is completely bogus. I am looking at PFF right now. Winston Justice had 477 dropbacks. On those 477 dropbacks he allowed 3 sacks, 6 hits, 26 hurries for a total of 35 pressures. That is 7.3% pressures allowed. This ranks 32nd.

Gosder Cherilus had 788 dropbacks, 4 sacks, 7 hits, 27 hurries for a total of 38 pressures. That is 4.8%. This ranks 10th in the league.

Gosder is clearly much better at pass blocking.

Just the fact that you have no C or RG means that by default yours are worse. Nobody left on the board are even close to as talented as Sullivan and Vasquez, who each also had better pass blocking efficiency than Winston Justice.

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).My link

 

[ExaltedOne]

14.29 Houston Selects - Terrence Cody NT"Mount Cody" will be serving as the 3-4 NT for my D, occupy blockers and pushing people around.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).

My link

It's cool. I'm not saying Justice is a bad talent. He was excellent a few years back before he got injured. he just hasn't been the same since.

 

[Meecrob]

PMed' SkeletorEH

 

[Meecrob]

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).

My link

It's cool. I'm not saying Justice is a bad talent. He was excellent a few years back before he got injured. he just hasn't been the same since.

Freeman has averaged 60% comp 3700 yds 23td's and 15int's over the past 3 seasons as a starter with TB with a MUCH worse supporting cast on offense in reality. Im still taking that and feeling much more comfortable about him running my offense than Geno. Im thinking something like 65% 4500 yards 30tds, 15 ints would be Freeman's stat line with my offense. Total speculation but with Megatron and so many other weapons out there and a better O-Line, I see those numbers more as a floor than a ceiling.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Freeman has averaged 60% comp 3700 yds 23td's and 15int's over the past 3 seasons as a starter with TB with a MUCH worse supporting cast on offense in reality. Im still taking that and feeling much more comfortable about him running my offense than Geno. Im thinking something like 65% 4500 yards 30tds, 15 ints would be Freeman's stat line with my offense. Total speculation but with Megatron and so many other weapons out there and a better O-Line, I see those numbers more as a floor than a ceiling.

I do agree that Freeman could have those kind of numbers with those receivers. Megatron and Wallace alone is tough to cover and if Austin and Ertz are even mediocre then Freeman will have some guys open on almost every play.Your o-line is probably about equal to the Bucs.I do not agree that your offense as a whole will be better since you don't have a RB yet. A lack of rushing threats just means defenses will pin their ears back and come after Freeman. Freeman was one of the worst (22nd in the league) at passing under pressure last season. He had 41% accuracy and threw 9 interceptions.

 

[Nate Blough]

I was wondering myself why I was skipped at 1 AM (4 hour clocks on weekend), and I DO need another WR, so I could be a #### and take Baldwin from you, but I won't do that...I can't believe that he is not gone yet, but I will take at 13.27, WR Justin Hunter.Almost all the way back from his injury last year...ran a great time at the combine.

I was under the impression there was a 4 hour clock on the weekends. 9PM-1AM is 4 hours. Just tryna keep things moving.

 

[FUBAR]

I was wondering myself why I was skipped at 1 AM (4 hour clocks on weekend), and I DO need another WR, so I could be a #### and take Baldwin from you, but I won't do that...I can't believe that he is not gone yet, but I will take at 13.27, WR Justin Hunter.Almost all the way back from his injury last year...ran a great time at the combine.

I was under the impression there was a 4 hour clock on the weekends. 9PM-1AM is 4 hours. Just tryna keep things moving.

Clock is off overnight.

 

[FUBAR]

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).

My link

It's cool. I'm not saying Justice is a bad talent. He was excellent a few years back before he got injured. he just hasn't been the same since.

Freeman has averaged 60% comp 3700 yds 23td's and 15int's over the past 3 seasons as a starter with TB with a MUCH worse supporting cast on offense in reality. Im still taking that and feeling much more comfortable about him running my offense than Geno. Im thinking something like 65% 4500 yards 30tds, 15 ints would be Freeman's stat line with my offense. Total speculation but with Megatron and so many other weapons out there and a better O-Line, I see those numbers more as a floor than a ceiling.

There is a reason most nfl teams don't feel compelled to carry more than one top wr. Tampa has one of the best duos and a better running game, your Freeman will probably have better stats but i think the real Freeman has a better offense to actually win games.

 

[shake zula]

Karlos Dansby Lb

 

[Meecrob]

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).

My link

It's cool. I'm not saying Justice is a bad talent. He was excellent a few years back before he got injured. he just hasn't been the same since.

Freeman has averaged 60% comp 3700 yds 23td's and 15int's over the past 3 seasons as a starter with TB with a MUCH worse supporting cast on offense in reality. Im still taking that and feeling much more comfortable about him running my offense than Geno. Im thinking something like 65% 4500 yards 30tds, 15 ints would be Freeman's stat line with my offense. Total speculation but with Megatron and so many other weapons out there and a better O-Line, I see those numbers more as a floor than a ceiling.

There is a reason most nfl teams don't feel compelled to carry more than one top wr. Tampa has one of the best duos and a better running game, your Freeman will probably have better stats but i think the real Freeman has a better offense to actually win games.

The reason is they cant afford to, or aren't able to invest so many draft picks in one position. Not that they don't want to have more than one top WR. In a vaccum where there is no salary cap (i.e this draft) You cant tell me that any NFL team if given the chance to have a WR group like mine would say "No thanks we are compelled to have only 1 top WR". V-Jax and Tampa Bay Mike are no where near Megatron and Mike Wallace as a 1-2 combo. Yes having Doug Martin is a plus for the real Tampa; but with the spread offense the running game will not be as relevant to this team as it is to the real TB, and as such I dont think you can make such a straight line comparison given they are running totally different offensive systems. I totally disagree that the real Tampa Bay offense is better than this one I have put together. The real Tampa Bay went 7-9 last year and were the 13th ranked scoring offense, dont see this as a 6-10 team and i dont see 12 teams here that have better offenses, I see maybe 2 at this point.

 

[FUBAR]

Sorry I looked at the # from way earlier in the season; you are correct over the entire season he was lower (see below).

My link

It's cool. I'm not saying Justice is a bad talent. He was excellent a few years back before he got injured. he just hasn't been the same since.

Freeman has averaged 60% comp 3700 yds 23td's and 15int's over the past 3 seasons as a starter with TB with a MUCH worse supporting cast on offense in reality. Im still taking that and feeling much more comfortable about him running my offense than Geno. Im thinking something like 65% 4500 yards 30tds, 15 ints would be Freeman's stat line with my offense. Total speculation but with Megatron and so many other weapons out there and a better O-Line, I see those numbers more as a floor than a ceiling.

There is a reason most nfl teams don't feel compelled to carry more than one top wr. Tampa has one of the best duos and a better running game, your Freeman will probably have better stats but i think the real Freeman has a better offense to actually win games.

The reason is they cant afford to, or aren't able to invest so many draft picks in one position. Not that they don't want to have more than one top WR. In a vaccum where there is no salary cap (i.e this draft) You cant tell me that any NFL team if given the chance to have a WR group like mine would say "No thanks we are compelled to have only 1 top WR". V-Jax and Tampa Bay Mike are no where near Megatron and Mike Wallace as a 1-2 combo. Yes having Doug Martin is a plus for the real Tampa; but with the spread offense the running game will not be as relevant to this team as it is to the real TB, and as such I dont think you can make such a straight line comparison given they are running totally different offensive systems. I totally disagree that the real Tampa Bay offense is better than this one I have put together. The real Tampa Bay went 7-9 last year and were the 13th ranked scoring offense, dont see this as a 6-10 team and i dont see 12 teams here that have better offenses, I see maybe 2 at this point.

Our cost is in picks not salary. I'm not sure Freeman sees the field well enough to take advantage of your group, but at least the defense will be busy.

 

[HellToupee]

14.29 Houston Selects - Terrence Cody NT"Mount Cody" will be serving as the 3-4 NT for my D, occupy blockers and pushing people around.

I bet the Ravens wish he could do that for their D & they pay him

 

[AwesomeAuger]

And on the topic of dominant offenses, I will match my Niners offense up against anyone...QB: BreesRB: Trent RichardsonWR: Victor CruzWR: Marques ColstonLT: Eric FisherLG: C: Robert TurnerRG: Brandon MooreRT: David Stewart

Yeah I actually like your offense a lot more than the 3 that AA listed.

I like the Steelers and Cowboys because of how unique their offenses will be. That uniqueness factor is the reason I like your Browns too. If all 3 of those teams run normal, "conventional" offense the entire game without taking advantage of their unique weapons, then I would downgrade those offenses a lot in my rankings. The Niner's offense will be more of a conventional offense and with Brees running it, it will be very damn good. It's hard to say how good the Steelers, Cowboys, and Browns will be on offense because those combinations of players are so unconventional and there is nothing historically to compare them too. I don't see how you can say you like the 49eres "a lot more" than those teams because it's impossible to know how good they will be!As for my Saints, I'm biased of course, but when I compare my offense to the current Packers, who have the best offense in the actual NFL, I think my drafted offense is at least as good as the real life Packers. Bowe, Garcon, and Wayne are better than Nelson, James Jones, and Cobb. Both offensive lines are adequate in pass protection. The real life Packer OL struggled in the run game while my interior paved the way for Morris to get 1600 yards. I don't have a Finley on offense but as much of a weapon he is, he can be a liability at times with his inconsistency and he's not a good blocker. I feel my drafted RB will be better than anybody on the Packer's 2012 roster.On the other hand, let's compare the drafted 49ers to the real life Saints. Trent Richardson is obviously a better back than any Saints back. However the real life Saints have 4 solid RBs on their roster that play their roles very well. Richardson is a clear upgrade but the difference isn't too sizable in my opinion. Cruz is a weapon but I would say Graham is more of a matchup nightmare and a better weapo overall. Both OLs are good but the real life Saints arguably have a better OL.Again, I'm not sure how you can say you like the 49ers offense "a lot more" than the Saints. Both are top offenses in the league. How you make such a clear gap between the two in your head baffles me.

 

[HellToupee]

makeup pick

. 14.23 Coby Fleener Falcons

I like the pairing on Gresham & Fleener

 

[FUBAR]

makeup pick

. 14.23 Coby Fleener Falcons

I like the pairing on Gresham & Fleener

I would have liked him paired with witten better... I'm not sure about fleener though, seems he should have done better last year but can't judge too harshly yet.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I apologize for my use of hyperbole like "a lot". Actually I've changed my mind a bit. Here's how I grade/rank the top 5 offenses in the league. Again this is just my opinion and the o-line ratings are based off of PFF numbers since I don't know of a better way to compare them:

1) Browns:

QB: B (best rookie QB in the draft)

RB: A+ (top 2 RB in the league)

FB: A+ (best multi-threat FB in the league)

WR: A+ (two young top 5 WRs)

TE: A- (top 3 TE, but only for this year)

OL: A+ (#8LT,#5LG,#1C,#9RG,#2RT)

2) Steelers

QB: A+ (top 5 QB)

RB: B (I like what I've seen from him but he's never started)

FB: TBD

WR: A+ (two elite WRs who compliment each other well)

TE: C (talented but has never lived up to expectations)

OL: B- (#26LT, #9LG, #12C, RG and RT TBD; LT and C have big upside)

3) 49ers

QB: A+ (top 5 QB)

RB: A (Talent+age is great but low YPC bumps him down for me a bit)

FB: TBD

WR: A- (Two borderline elite players but may be miscast on the outside)

TE: TBD

OL: C+ (Rookie LT, LG TBD, #18C, #3RG, #10RT)

4) Saints

QB: A+ (arguably best QB in the league)

RB: TBD

FB: TBD

WR: A (3 very good players but no elites)

TE: TBD

OL: C (Bulaga never played LT in NFL and was not great at RT, 5th worst LG in league, #5C and #10RG in zone system, RT TBD)

5) Cowboys

QB: C(below average QB, he was 22nd in passer rating, 34th in comp. %, 5th most interceptions, but 9th in yards and 7th in TDs)

RB: TBD

FB: TBD

WR: A+ (best WR in the league plus borderline-elite speed guy and explosive rookie slot guy)

TE: B- (2nd best rookie TE, but TEs don't usually produce well their first season)

OL: C- (Rookie LT, #11LG, C and RG TBD, #23RT)

 

[Meecrob]

Are these grades based on this year only?

Stop grading me for FB, I wont have one!!

And I agree with alot of what you have but Geno Smith as a B and Freeman as a C I cant get on board with. Flip those and then I agree.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Are these grades based on this year only? Stop grading me for FB, I wont have one!! And I agree with alot of what you have but Geno Smith as a B and Freeman as a C I cant get on board with. Flip those and then I agree.

I didn't give you an F at FB I gave you a TBD. I didn't count those for or against anyone, so basically it's like a C.Freeman is a known commodity and has been average. I graded all of the top rookies as a B because of their upside.

 

[Meecrob]

So are you looking at only the next year or some other time frame when considering your grades?

 

[ExaltedOne]

So are you looking at only the next year or some other time frame when considering your grades?

Mostly next year but I did factor in age and upside.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I don't think the grades are bad, but I think looking at them without proper weighting of positions can be misleading. My one gripe is the grade of Geno. Giving Geno a B grade which indicates Geno is a single tier below Rodgers/Brees/Brady is pretty ridiculous to me. Obviously you believe in him and that's why you picked him early. However, if the Chiefs selected Geno Smith at 1.1 and offered Geno Smith and three future first round picks for Rodgers, do you think the Packers would take that deal? I don't think they even consider it. Do you think the Packers would take Geno Smith and five first round picks? I would guess not and I would guess no amount of additional future first round picks would get the deal done. Rodgers is that much better than Geno Smith.

A grade of C indicates the QB is average. That means QB 12-18ish. I think Geno's absolute upside as a rookie is in that range and his downside is worse.

Rodgers, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Cam, Brees, Kaep, Ryan, Eli, Peyton, Roethlisberger, Stafford. Those are 14 QBs I can't imagine wanting Geno Smith over regardless of how well he does.

 

[FUBAR]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I don't think the grades are bad, but I think looking at them without proper weighting of positions can be misleading. My one gripe is the grade of Geno. Giving Geno a B grade which indicates Geno is a single tier below Rodgers/Brees/Brady is pretty ridiculous to me. Obviously you believe in him and that's why you picked him early. However, if the Chiefs selected Geno Smith at 1.1 and offered Geno Smith and three future first round picks for Rodgers, do you think the Packers would take that deal? I don't think they even consider it. Do you think the Packers would take Geno Smith and five first round picks? I would guess not and I would guess no amount of additional future first round picks would get the deal done. Rodgers is that much better than Geno Smith.A grade of C indicates the QB is average. That means QB 12-18ish. I think Geno's absolute upside as a rookie is in that range and his downside is worse.Rodgers, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Cam, Brees, Kaep, Ryan, Eli, Peyton, Roethlisberger, Stafford. Those are 14 QBs I can't imagine wanting Geno Smith over regardless of how well he does.

For me, C/average is Freeman, and I think Geno's upside is substantially higher and in the Wilson/Kaep range. Obviously our views differ on that so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Like I said those grades are my opinion and that is all.

 

[ExaltedOne]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

He was the best receiving TE in the league last season. I can't imagine him dropping off substantially this season. I dropped him from A+ to A- because he won't be around past 2013.

 

[Late225]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

He was the best receiving TE in the league last season. I can't imagine him dropping off substantially this season. I dropped him from A+ to A- because he won't be around past 2013.

I watched a lot of Atlanta games last season because I owned Tony G in a few leagues. I don't think he was the best TE in the league. He had good stats because he's good at finding holes in a zone defense. If it wasn't for all the attention Julio and Roddy White received on the outsides, he wouldn't have the same stats he had last year. I think he's probably in the top ten, but he just doesn't have the athleticism he used to.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

He was the best receiving TE in the league last season. I can't imagine him dropping off substantially this season. I dropped him from A+ to A- because he won't be around past 2013.

I watched a lot of Atlanta games last season because I owned Tony G in a few leagues. I don't think he was the best TE in the league. He had good stats because he's good at finding holes in a zone defense. If it wasn't for all the attention Julio and Roddy White received on the outsides, he wouldn't have the same stats he had last year. I think he's probably in the top ten, but he just doesn't have the athleticism he used to.

Green/Thomas will provide a lot of holes underneath. I do disagree personally with that grade but I still think he'll be great in that offense. I would reserve a grade of A for the owners of Gronk/Graham/Vernon/Witten. They truly are the best of the best at TE.

 

[Whicker]

Is the clock from the time Meecrob picked or from when the last makeup pick was made? I think it should be from the time Meecrob picked since that is when Skeletore was first on the clock. If so, it's been four hours.

 

[FUBAR]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

He was the best receiving TE in the league last season. I can't imagine him dropping off substantially this season. I dropped him from A+ to A- because he won't be around past 2013.

You are clearly putting a lot more weight on 2013 than i do. Even if he's the best TE in the league, which i don't think he quite is, the best I would give is a B. W are building a franchise, not a one year team.

 

[Meecrob]

Is the clock from the time Meecrob picked or from when the last makeup pick was made? I think it should be from the time Meecrob picked since that is when Skeletore was first on the clock. If so, it's been four hours.

Should be from when he was informed; which was directly after I picked. So yea its been 4 hours.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Grades are subjective folks. Whether Gonzo is an A- or a B is really not that big of a difference.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Sorry. Hung over and busy morning. Bad combo. I'll be picking shortly

 

[ExaltedOne]

As much as i love Gonzo, especially having lived in Kansas during his time there, i can't see giving him better than a B when we consider more than one year.

He was the best receiving TE in the league last season. I can't imagine him dropping off substantially this season. I dropped him from A+ to A- because he won't be around past 2013.

I watched a lot of Atlanta games last season because I owned Tony G in a few leagues. I don't think he was the best TE in the league. He had good stats because he's good at finding holes in a zone defense. If it wasn't for all the attention Julio and Roddy White received on the outsides, he wouldn't have the same stats he had last year. I think he's probably in the top ten, but he just doesn't have the athleticism he used to.

Tony G forced more missed tackles than any other TE (16), and only 2 WRs had more. I think he's plenty athletic.He dropped far fewer passes (4) than Gronk (7) or Graham (15) despite having 121 targets. He pretty much put up the same elite numbers he's put up the last 14 years and he played great in the postseason so there's no indication of a drop off. He'll have similar/better receivers on the outside to open up the underneath zones.If I thought he'd play beyond 2013 I'd give him an A+, but since he won't, an A- for having the best TE ever to be a leader and solid contributor on the offense seems about right.

 

[Whicker]

Btw I texted 8 and told him to text Instinctive so hopefully we'll get moving. Hang around after you make your pick, skeletore.

 

[Meecrob]

Grades are subjective folks. Whether Gonzo is an A- or a B is really not that big of a difference.

I appreciate the efforts you went through to grade teams and make some commentary; I think thats what will really make this thread interesting for years to come actually once we all have full rosters. Everyone has their own opinions and way of rating players. Not trying to pile on your grades and hope you didnt take it as such, thanks for sharing.

 

[Instinctive]

Broncos select Mike Jenkins, CB

I will have to text in my next pick. But I'm ready.