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Burress shoots himself in the leg (1 Viewer)

can I ask how having a gun will help you while you are being robbed at gunpoint?

most likely scenarios would be helping you get shot or having your gun stolen

also, I heard a postgame bit on espn that said the mayor was steamed after diddy escaped jailtime so they then introduced the minimum 3 yr thing.
I strongly disagree. You've got to get the "this is a stick up" in a back alley scenario out of your head. As in many things, there's often a difference between what happens in the real world and how we envision things happening based upon movies and TV.You have to look no further than reality shows with convenience store video footage. But if you look around, you'll find even more evidence.

 
People who carry, strike that- RESPONSIBLE gun owners who carry (the vast majority) are much more likely to be situationally aware than your average victim. Having that chunk of steel digging into your side tends to remind you to keep your head up.

An unarmed individual might rationally conclude that their best defense is to remain as unobtrusive and nonthreatening as possible, hence keeping your head down and minding your own business. Someone who decides to carry (legally one hopes) is in the opposite position- they are better served scanning their surroundings, and as they say having a plan to kill everyone they meet if called for. If you don't have that mentality (and training) you should probably leave your weapon at home, because in that case you are right, it wont help you.

 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.

 
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can I ask how having a gun will help you while you are being robbed at gunpoint?

most likely scenarios would be helping you get shot or having your gun stolen

also, I heard a postgame bit on espn that said the mayor was steamed after diddy escaped jailtime so they then introduced the minimum 3 yr thing.
I strongly disagree. You've got to get the "this is a stick up" in a back alley scenario out of your head. As in many things, there's often a difference between what happens in the real world and how we envision things happening based upon movies and TV.You have to look no further than reality shows with convenience store video footage. But if you look around, you'll find even more evidence.
dude, he wound up getting himself shot when NOBODY had a gun on him.let's turn off the westerns and use a little common sense here.

maybe you'd be comfortable standing just off to the side of a drunken plaxico firefight, but I wouldn't.

 
can I ask how having a gun will help you while you are being robbed at gunpoint?

most likely scenarios would be helping you get shot or having your gun stolen

also, I heard a postgame bit on espn that said the mayor was steamed after diddy escaped jailtime so they then introduced the minimum 3 yr thing.
I strongly disagree. You've got to get the "this is a stick up" in a back alley scenario out of your head. As in many things, there's often a difference between what happens in the real world and how we envision things happening based upon movies and TV.You have to look no further than reality shows with convenience store video footage. But if you look around, you'll find even more evidence.
dude, he wound up getting himself shot when NOBODY had a gun on him.let's turn off the westerns and use a little common sense here.

maybe you'd be comfortable standing just off to the side of a drunken plaxico firefight, but I wouldn't.
I'd feel safer standing next to a duel between Barney Fife and Mr. Bean.
 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
Incorrect.At least with the Giants, didn't complain when he didn't get the ball, played through injuries and was a committed downfield blocker. On the field, he lacked for nothing you'd want from a WR... expect maybe a few fewer injuries.

 
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Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
What would you like for "someone" to say? IMO if anyone said anything it would be "lip service." Why add more fuel, good or bad, to an already burning flame. BTW, people are probably coming to his defense but not through the media. Rest assure, his family, teammates (current and former) and coaches have probably contacted the Giants organization on his behalf.

Also, I think the Union has let Plax down in this ordeal.

 
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can I ask how having a gun will help you while you are being robbed at gunpoint?

most likely scenarios would be helping you get shot or having your gun stolen

also, I heard a postgame bit on espn that said the mayor was steamed after diddy escaped jailtime so they then introduced the minimum 3 yr thing.
I strongly disagree. You've got to get the "this is a stick up" in a back alley scenario out of your head. As in many things, there's often a difference between what happens in the real world and how we envision things happening based upon movies and TV.You have to look no further than reality shows with convenience store video footage. But if you look around, you'll find even more evidence.
dude, he wound up getting himself shot when NOBODY had a gun on him.let's turn off the westerns and use a little common sense here.

maybe you'd be comfortable standing just off to the side of a drunken plaxico firefight, but I wouldn't.
Nobody drinking should be carrying a firearm. If you have an NFL players money you can easily hire professional security guards licensed to have weapons to do that (not you cousin).On the other hand walking down the street and having a gun put to the back of your head is a very good example of just why people carry guns. Somebody that knew what they were doing and fully alert as they always should be would never have let it get to that point. You don't let somebody walk up behind you and put a gun to your head. And people dont mug people with guns in their belts very often, or even the possibility of their victim being armed. Most likely just reaching for the gun to show you had one would have stopped that mugger from approaching, but of course that requires seeing him before he got close enough.

The 'old west shootout' is a canard. Something like 40+ states have concealed carry and I promise you it would be all you would see in the media if people were out shooting each other over parking spots. Instead crime is lower in those states, including gun crimes.

 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
Incorrect.At least with the Giants, didn't complain when he didn't get the ball, played through injuries and was a committed downfield blocker. On the field, he lacked for nothing you'd want from a WR... expect maybe a few fewer injuries.
PLAXICO HELPS OUT HIXON
"He started coaching me up," Hixon said. "As soon as I saw him we started talking about releases and what to expect going up against Philly this weekend.
Yeah, what a crappy, me-first, teammate. :goodposting:
 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
What would you like for "someone" to say? IMO if anyone said anything it would be "lip service." Why add more fuel, good or bad, to an already burning flame. BTW, people are probably coming to his defense but not through the media. Rest assure, his family, teammates (current and former) and coaches have probably contacted the Giants organization on his behalf.



Also, I think the Union has let Plax down in this ordeal.
Why is this? What would you like the union to do? Beg and plead for the Giants to take back the suspension?
 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
What would you like for "someone" to say? IMO if anyone said anything it would be "lip service." Why add more fuel, good or bad, to an already burning flame. BTW, people are probably coming to his defense but not through the media. Rest assure, his family, teammates (current and former) and coaches have probably contacted the Giants organization on his behalf.



Also, I think the Union has let Plax down in this ordeal.
Why is this? What would you like the union to do? Beg and plead for the Giants to take back the suspension?
I'd expect the union to do this... NFLPA plans to file a grievance on Burress' behalf
 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
Incorrect.At least with the Giants, didn't complain when he didn't get the ball, played through injuries and was a committed downfield blocker. On the field, he lacked for nothing you'd want from a WR... expect maybe a few fewer injuries.
PLAXICO HELPS OUT HIXON
"He started coaching me up," Hixon said. "As soon as I saw him we started talking about releases and what to expect going up against Philly this weekend.
Yeah, what a crappy, me-first, teammate. :confused:
For Hixon's sake I hope he doesn't seek advice from Plax about safeties. Plax apparently doesn't know the first thing about those.
 
can I ask how having a gun will help you while you are being robbed at gunpoint?

most likely scenarios would be helping you get shot or having your gun stolen

also, I heard a postgame bit on espn that said the mayor was steamed after diddy escaped jailtime so they then introduced the minimum 3 yr thing.
I strongly disagree. You've got to get the "this is a stick up" in a back alley scenario out of your head. As in many things, there's often a difference between what happens in the real world and how we envision things happening based upon movies and TV.You have to look no further than reality shows with convenience store video footage. But if you look around, you'll find even more evidence.
Yup, all the crooks have hand guns.
 
i don't know if this was already covered in pages 1-7, but who benefits more from Burress's absence ... Toomer or Hixon?

 
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Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
What would you like for "someone" to say? IMO if anyone said anything it would be "lip service." Why add more fuel, good or bad, to an already burning flame. BTW, people are probably coming to his defense but not through the media. Rest assure, his family, teammates (current and former) and coaches have probably contacted the Giants organization on his behalf.



Also, I think the Union has let Plax down in this ordeal.
Why is this? What would you like the union to do? Beg and plead for the Giants to take back the suspension?
I'd expect the union to do this... NFLPA plans to file a grievance on Burress' behalf
I'll be particularly interested in how the NFLPA explores the issue of just exactly how Burress's rights have been violated here under the current CBA.
 
lulz

Knucklehead receiver Plaxico Burress was acting like a Giant jerk at the Latin Quarter even before he shot himself and ended up on the floor shaking and bleeding, employees at the Midtown club said.

"Burress was an ###," said a female bartender about his conduct last Saturday.

"He was rude and disorderly and didn't acknowledge anyone unless they were in the VIP section. He didn't treat anybody with respect.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12052008/news/...xico_142770.htm

this is getting to be like jerry springer --- I'm not sure if it's entertainment, or if someone could just turn it off.

good vid, by the way.

 
"He was rude and disorderly and didn't acknowledge anyone unless they were in the VIP section. He didn't treat anybody with respect.
Why would he be expected to acknowledge anyone not in his immediate proximity? I always wonder about post-facto reports like this. The only time servers have good reports about celebs is when they leave huge tips. Otherwise they are just an extra headache.Not that I really doubt Burress was being a jerk.
 
"He was rude and disorderly and didn't acknowledge anyone unless they were in the VIP section. He didn't treat anybody with respect.
Why would he be expected to acknowledge anyone not in his immediate proximity? I always wonder about post-facto reports like this. The only time servers have good reports about celebs is when they leave huge tips. Otherwise they are just an extra headache.Not that I really doubt Burress was being a jerk.
We already know this report is wrong. Burress was doing a lot of acknoweldging of the lowly medical staff in the ER, so that reporter had better check hisself.
 
what I was just wondering is this --- I read a blurb, and maybe this is just a case of a bs blurb, that pierce could be let off the hook if he gives an honest recount of events.

now, everybody wonders if burress would get jail time, and here's a guy supposedly let off the hook even though he was also in possession of an unregistered firearm.

 
NEW YORK (AP)—It started as a typical Friday night at the Latin Quarter: exclusive guest list, $200 bottles of Moet champagne and well-dressed clientele lining up to pay a $30 cover charge to party at the swank Manhattan club.

Then a few very, very important people rolled up in a black Cadillac Escalade: New York Giant stars Plaxico Burress and Antonio Pierce. The two sauntered inside, heading for the VIP section amid the pulsing merengue and hip-hop, Burress with a loaded, illegal gun tucked into the waistband of his track pants.

Within an hour, the Latin Quarter would be a crime scene and the center of a drama that has transfixed the sports world and left Burress’ career in jeopardy.

One week later, authorities are still trying to piece together details of what happened that night. But interviews with investigators and those connected to the case paint a picture of chaos, extraordinary secrecy and a frustrating hunt for answers by the police department.

Burress and Pierce showed up at the club at 1:20 a.m. Burress bypassed the line of patrons and got into the club despite the semiautomatic gun in his pants and ordered a drink.

Around 1:50 a.m., as Burress fumbled with the glass in his hand, the .40-caliber Glock slipped down his leg, and as he grabbed at it, he accidentally pulled the trigger and shot himself in the thigh. Witnesses reported hearing a “pop” as his legs started to quiver and the pistol dropped from his pant leg to the floor.

“Take me to a hospital,” Burress said, according to investigators

Despite the gunfire and blood, no one at the club called police. In fact, investigators say, no one reported the incident at all. Not the players, nor the hospital where he was treated, even though the law states gunshot wounds must be reported.

After the gun slipped to the floor, a club security officer grabbed it, unloaded it and held it while Pierce helped his injured, bleeding teammate to the street and back into the Escalade. He helped Burress, shaking from pain, into the back seat. Pierce hopped in the front with an unknown woman in the driver’s seat. As they started to pull away, a club security guard came to the Escalade’s window.

“What do you want me to do with this?” he asked, referring to the pistol, according to police. Pierce threw it in the glove compartment of the Escalade, police said, then called team trainer Ronnie Barnes. The trainer told him to take Burress to New York-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center, about 20 blocks away.

Pierce’s attorney, Michael Bachner, said his client had no idea his teammate had a gun until it went off, and his top priority at the time was to help his friend.

“Given the extraordinary circumstances of that evening, (Pierce) acted responsibly in trying to save what could have been the life of a friend,” Bachner said.

 
Thanks for adding the link. I was just happy to hear that Pierce didn't carry the gun while inside the nightclub.
Yea...the way that story was written, it shows Pierce in a very positive light compared to some of the prior speculation. That story made it look like he was just concerned in getting his friend to the hospital and the gun ending up in the glove compartment almost didn't even happen since the security guard basically forced it him right before they left for the hospital. I mean, the gun was almost left at the scene if we are to believe this article. I am slightly doubtful that the gun could have almost been left at the scene, but I do believe that Pierce may have acted totally responsibly and was not instead trying to help Burress' plight with the law regarding the gun.
 
Best part of all this is no one is coming to Plax's side. He is and and always was the stereotypical me-first athlete. Not only off the field, but on it as well.

I really really hope they throw the book at him.
Incorrect.At least with the Giants, didn't complain when he didn't get the ball, played through injuries and was a committed downfield blocker. On the field, he lacked for nothing you'd want from a WR... expect maybe a few fewer injuries.
PLAXICO HELPS OUT HIXON
"He started coaching me up," Hixon said. "As soon as I saw him we started talking about releases and what to expect going up against Philly this weekend.
Yeah, what a crappy, me-first, teammate. :shrug:
For Hixon's sake I hope he doesn't seek advice from Plax about safeties. Plax apparently doesn't know the first thing about those.
Well somebody had to give you props; good job! :goodposting:

 
Gotta give Plaxico some credit, at least he took a horrible thing like this shooting, and tried to help kids learn from it.

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