Caldwell To Coach Lions (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him.

But I agree.

he easily can be worse than Schwartz. At best, this seems like a lateral move.

 

[The_Man]

Who are the top coaches in the NFL right now? Just for a ballpark, I'll say:

Jim Harbaugh

Bill Bellichick

Pete Carroll

John Harbaugh

Mike Tomlin

Chuck Pagano

Bruce Arians

Sean Payton

Andy Reid

So very few of them are retread NFL head coaches. So many of them are kickass coordinators. Why in the world do teams keep running the same tired guys out there instead of trying to find the next great new guy? I just don't understand the mindset...

 

[JFS171]

Anyone else think this reeks of a panic hire following Whizenhunt going to Tennessee?

No.

Perhaps you're being sarcastic... but just in case...

To play devil's advocate:

1. Caldwell took a team to the Super Bowl before. Sure, it was a loaded team, but that's still not easy to do. Dungy got the Colts there once in 7 years. Caldwell did it once in 3 years.

2. Caldwell did suck as Ravens OC this year, but he had never been an OC before. He was always either QB coach or head coach, and was reluctant to take the promotion the Ravens gave him. And he still won a Super Bowl as OC.

3. The story about his interview with the Lions, how he broke down all of Stafford's throws from 2013 and had a plan for how to correct his issues, that was encouraging. He's got a good record with QBs and I think that part of the job he will handle well.

That said, I share some of the same concerns as everyone else. But we'll see how it goes. It's the Lions. Lions fans should know by now not to get their hopes up about anything anyway.

As a lifelong Wake Forest fan (where Caldwell coached before miraculously getting hired by Indianaoplis), I can tell you this won't likely end well... but here's some numbers:

Caldwell's record as a HC is 28-77 (NFL+College) in games not started by Peyton Manning.

 

[Da Guru]

The Lions just can`t ever get it right. the whole fan base is now totally demoralized by this hire. The Lions could not pour water out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel.

 

[Spartans Rule]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Anyone else think this reeks of a panic hire following Whizenhunt going to Tennessee?

No.

Perhaps you're being sarcastic... but just in case...

To play devil's advocate:

1. Caldwell took a team to the Super Bowl before. Sure, it was a loaded team, but that's still not easy to do. Dungy got the Colts there once in 7 years. Caldwell did it once in 3 years.

2. Caldwell did suck as Ravens OC this year, but he had never been an OC before. He was always either QB coach or head coach, and was reluctant to take the promotion the Ravens gave him. And he still won a Super Bowl as OC.

3. The story about his interview with the Lions, how he broke down all of Stafford's throws from 2013 and had a plan for how to correct his issues, that was encouraging. He's got a good record with QBs and I think that part of the job he will handle well.

That said, I share some of the same concerns as everyone else. But we'll see how it goes. It's the Lions. Lions fans should know by now not to get their hopes up about anything anyway.

As a lifelong Wake Forest fan (where Caldwell coached before miraculously getting hired by Indianaoplis), I can tell you this won't likely end well... but here's some numbers:

Caldwell's record as a HC is 28-77 (NFL+College) in games not started by Peyton Manning.

Not vouching for Caldwell either way, but coaching at Wake and having Curtis Painter at QB is kind of the other end of the spectrum from his record with a HOF great like Manning - the truth is probably somewhere in between.

 

[Da Guru]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him.

But I agree.

he easily can be worse than Schwartz. At best, this seems like a lateral move.

Listening to The Ticket it seems that most Lions fans would rather have Schwartz with a new OC than Caldwell.

 

[Da Guru]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

The Lions are not your average NFL franchise. The NFL is designed for teams to go up and down. The Lions have 1 playoff win in 56 years. This is unexplainable even by NFL pundits.

 

[Mene]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him. Not only that but media like RW & PFT kept suggesting he was just being interviewed to satisfy the RR.

But I agree that it's unfair to bash him completely, he did some good things, especially establish that defense. IMO he needed a better OC.

Caldwell got to coach with Peyton Manning and Curtis Painter at QB, I mean who really know what he will do with a very talented but neither HOF great or horrendous QB, my guess is they are in store for some seasons between 6-10 and 9-7. They had better bring in someone good at DC to continue building that defense though, they are 2-3 players away from being fearsome.

I can't speak for all Lion's fans, but I know my buddies and I didn't really "hate" Schwartz, we just felt that the team had plateaued under him. I really do appreciate the fact that he came in at their worst, and helped guide them back to being competitive. I just felt he was limited as a HC, and we are long overdue to take the next step. I don't think the team is quite as talented as some would claim, but there is plenty for them to have been in the playoffs the last 3 years. To only have made it once, and collapsed the way they did this year, showed that it was time to move on.

Unfortunately, I think they took the next step in the wrong direction, and more mediocrity mixed with outright terrible is what the next few years hold for us.

Really a bummer.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Teryl Austin likely to become defensive coordinator Tue Jan 14, 01:11 PM

Detroit Lions head coach Jim Caldwell is likely to hire Baltimore Ravens secondary coach Teryl Austin as the teams defensive coordinator.

Link to story

Lions | Clyde Christensen could be top offensive coordinator choice Tue Jan 14, 01:00 PM

Indianapolis Colts quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen could be the top choice for the offensive coordinator job with the Detroit Lions. Christensen worked together with head coach Jim Caldwell in Indianapolis.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him. Not only that but media like RW & PFT kept suggesting he was just being interviewed to satisfy the RR.

But I agree that it's unfair to bash him completely, he did some good things, especially establish that defense. IMO he needed a better OC.

Caldwell got to coach with Peyton Manning and Curtis Painter at QB, I mean who really know what he will do with a very talented but neither HOF great or horrendous QB, my guess is they are in store for some seasons between 6-10 and 9-7. They had better bring in someone good at DC to continue building that defense though, they are 2-3 players away from being fearsome.

I can't speak for all Lion's fans, but I know my buddies and I didn't really "hate" Schwartz, we just felt that the team had plateaued under him. I really do appreciate the fact that he came in at their worst, and helped guide them back to being competitive. I just felt he was limited as a HC, and we are long overdue to take the next step. I don't think the team is quite as talented as some would claim, but there is plenty for them to have been in the playoffs the last 3 years. To only have made it once, and collapsed the way they did this year, showed that it was time to move on.

Unfortunately, I think they took the next step in the wrong direction, and more mediocrity mixed with outright terrible is what the next few years hold for us.

Really a bummer.

I hear ya, good luck.

 

[JohnnyU]

Hasn't he already sucked as a head coach? I don't get the recycling of coaches. Why not give some new blood a chance?

well he lost in the sb as a rookie head coach

made the playoffs in year 2

and then shyt the bed with manning.

i guess its hard to really say, cause he was first dealt a stacked hand,, then a crap hand

As a Colts fan who watched every game he ever coached as a coach of the Colts, all he did was stand on the sideline with that blank stare on his face and never seem to EVER make an in-game decision. He's a horrible choice for a head coach IMO.

 

[Bob Magaw]

To play devil's advocate:

1. Caldwell took a team to the Super Bowl before. Sure, it was a loaded team, but that's still not easy to do. Dungy got the Colts there once in 7 years. Caldwell did it once in 3 years.

2. Caldwell did suck as Ravens OC this year, but he had never been an OC before. He was always either QB coach or head coach, and was reluctant to take the promotion the Ravens gave him. And he still won a Super Bowl as OC.

3. The story about his interview with the Lions, how he broke down all of Stafford's throws from 2013 and had a plan for how to correct his issues, that was encouraging. He's got a good record with QBs and I think that part of the job he will handle well.

That said, I share some of the same concerns as everyone else. But we'll see how it goes. It's the Lions. Lions fans should know by now not to get their hopes up about anything anyway.

Good post. Though we will see how receptive Stafford is to "issue correcting", he sounded like an alcoholic in denial with a recent quote about the need to improve mechanics (that isn't my thing ).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him. Not only that but media like RW & PFT kept suggesting he was just being interviewed to satisfy the RR.

But I agree that it's unfair to bash him completely, he did some good things, especially establish that defense. IMO he needed a better OC.

Caldwell got to coach with Peyton Manning and Curtis Painter at QB, I mean who really know what he will do with a very talented but neither HOF great or horrendous QB, my guess is they are in store for some seasons between 6-10 and 9-7. They had better bring in someone good at DC to continue building that defense though, they are 2-3 players away from being fearsome.

I can't speak for all Lion's fans, but I know my buddies and I didn't really "hate" Schwartz, we just felt that the team had plateaued under him. I really do appreciate the fact that he came in at their worst, and helped guide them back to being competitive. I just felt he was limited as a HC, and we are long overdue to take the next step. I don't think the team is quite as talented as some would claim, but there is plenty for them to have been in the playoffs the last 3 years. To only have made it once, and collapsed the way they did this year, showed that it was time to move on.

Unfortunately, I think they took the next step in the wrong direction, and more mediocrity mixed with outright terrible is what the next few years hold for us.

Really a bummer.

Schwartz just seemed like too much of a hot head to get it right.

He had ran his course here. A more even-keeled type might work.

But Caldwell was just so uninspiring as a HC in Indy. Maybe he can help Stafford and his interview sounded impressive, with the breaking down of the film and having a plan to help fix staffords issues.

 

[Braktastic]

...very sad day for Detroit fans IMO, sorry.

That's OK. They're used to it.

 

[Da Guru]

...very sad day for Detroit fans IMO, sorry.

That's OK. They're used to it.

Now Baltimore sports radio is reporting that the Ravens were going to fire Caldwell as their OC. Unreal...

 

[Balance]

At least nobody here is overreacting.

 

[The Captain]

Baltimore radio has been speculating that Caldwell would not be brought back as the OC because he was so terrible.

That's typical Baltimore sports radio. They know how much the Ravens offense picked up when they fired Cameron and hired Caldwell. But as soon as they believe Caldwell's leaving it's "oh, he stunk".

Please see the Ravens offensive statistics in 2013. That he stunk is not really up for debate.

Please see them in 2012 before and after Caldwell replaced Cameron. Fill us in on that.

Then lose Boldin and have the entire offensive line collapse, and tell me about 2013.

In 2012 Caldwell still used Cameron's plays, in 2013 he used his own playbook. That's the story of 2013.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

May look to Cleveland for OC Tue Jan 14, 01:43 PM

The Baltimore Ravens may look to Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Norv Turner or former Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski to fill their offensive coordinator position.

 

[Shutout]

A guy that led his team to 14-0 and to a super bowl in his rookie season gets zero respect by fans, which is amazing.

But I'm in agreement with the general consensus. This guy, to me, looked absolutely clueless on the sidelines.

Said a different way: "The guy that inherited a Peyton Manning machine of a team and went 14-0, only to be an idiot and rest players and start tweaking things at the end of the season and watch the team fall flat gets zero respect by fans."

This guy is not HC material and will underachieve at every possible juncture...seems like a perfect fit for Detroit.

 

[Hang 10]

Unbelievable. It wasn't that long ago that drove the colts into the ground. How does he get another head coaching gig so soon?

 

[UlyssesNorris]

Hear that, Calvin? That's the sound of your window closing.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

A guy that led his team to 14-0 and to a super bowl in his rookie season gets zero respect by fans, which is amazing.

But I'm in agreement with the general consensus. This guy, to me, looked absolutely clueless on the sidelines.

Said a different way: "The guy that inherited a Peyton Manning machine of a team and went 14-0, only to be an idiot and rest players and start tweaking things at the end of the season and watch the team fall flat gets zero respect by fans."

This guy is not HC material and will underachieve at every possible juncture...seems like a perfect fit for Detroit.

i think it was polian/irsay that sat those players back then. Caldwell is a puppet regime in waiting

blaming Caldwell for having to start Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky isnt really his fault.

The Colts totally bombed everything, coach, GM, QB etc. and it was the right move at every spot

 

[buck naked]

Here's an opposing viewpoint to most of the posts in this thread....

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/01/02/five-reasons-jim-caldwell-should-be-the-new-coach-of-the-lions-blog/

 

[UlyssesNorris]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

Detroit fans seem to hate him.

But I agree.

he easily can be worse than Schwartz. At best, this seems like a lateral move.

I for one miss Schwartz already. This has the look of a complete panic move on the part of Mayhew and the Fords.

Caldwell is a Rooney-Rule-friendly Dan Henning.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Apparently Caldwell came in with a specific plan to address Stafford's issues and the game plan aspect.

I thought Schwartz was just a terrible coach, Caldwell might do just fine with lower expectations from the fans but I think we'll know in year one. This team is a few secondary guys and some offensive tweaks away from being real contenders.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

...very sad day for Detroit fans IMO, sorry.

That's OK. They're used to it.

Now Baltimore sports radio is reporting that the Ravens were going to fire Caldwell as their OC. Unreal...

Now?

They've been saying this for two weeks.

 

[Shutout]

Hasn't he already sucked as a head coach? I don't get the recycling of coaches. Why not give some new blood a chance?

3 of the 4 head coaches who will be coaching next weekend have been fired from an NFL head coaching job before. 2 of those 3 really didn't have much success until their current job.

That's a fun stat. i like this game. Let's see how else we can spin it.

2 of those 3 coaches were fired from clueless organizations at the time they fired the coach and have never had a HC anywhere near as good as the guy they fired, since.

The hiring of Caldwell is like when Tubby Smith came to Kentucky. Pitino hands him a half-decade's worth of built-up programming and you see how it goes: Give him a loaded gun and he can at least fire it but he can't reload it and, little by little, you see it all devolve.

This Lions job was set up for Whiz or some truly HC-caliber guy to come in and do something with it like we have seen some of the new-blood coaches do. They may as well as hired Shianco for this. This will crumble within 2 seasons, mark it down, and by then, the best of Megatron and Bush will be gone and all the talent that is really there now will be in those cross-hair years where they may leave or stay, etc.

This hiring sets the Lions back at least 6 years.

 

[Tau837]

Coach before Caldwell at Wake Forest (Bill Dooley): 29-36-2 (.448)

Caldwell at Wake Forest: 26-63 (.292)

Coach after Caldwell at Wake Forest (Jim Grobe): 77-82 (.484)

Coach before Caldwell at Indianapolis (Tony Dungy): 85-27 (.759)

Caldwell at Indianapolis: 26-22 (.542)

Coach after Caldwell at Indianapolis (Chuck Pagano [/bruce Arians]): 22-10 (.688)

Just saying.

 

[Tau837]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

 

[Shutout]

Hear that, Calvin? That's the sound of your window closing.

yup. Sad. It takes an especially dolt coach to wreck a good thing and I guarantee you....guarantee...caldwell comes in and starts building things around "taking pressure off Calvin" and "using more options" and what we will see come September is how bad the Lions really are when the greatest player in the game suddenly gets the Andre Johnson treatment....run him off and drag the coverage...move him around but don't feed him.

This is going to be FRUSTRATING for Calvin owners (and the Lions fan....whoever he is).

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Baltimore radio has been speculating that Caldwell would not be brought back as the OC because he was so terrible.

That's typical Baltimore sports radio. They know how much the Ravens offense picked up when they fired Cameron and hired Caldwell. But as soon as they believe Caldwell's leaving it's "oh, he stunk".

Please see the Ravens offensive statistics in 2013. That he stunk is not really up for debate.

Please see them in 2012 before and after Caldwell replaced Cameron. Fill us in on that.

Then lose Boldin and have the entire offensive line collapse, and tell me about 2013.

In 2012 Caldwell still used Cameron's plays, in 2013 he used his own playbook. That's the story of 2013.

A lot of the issues from the team and the end performance has been blamed on Juan Castillo who was the "run coordinator" but essentially the O-line coach. That is still a reflection on Caldwell though, and that offense was particularly inept in the red zone. I think losing Boldin hurt, but Smith and Brown are both very good receivers so I'm not sure how much it should have. The real problem with the Ravens was they couldn't run, and it wasn't just Ray Rice who had issues finding holes.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

well the good news is at the end ofthe Caldwell era, they probably fire Martin Mayhew

 

[UlyssesNorris]

Apparently Caldwell came in with a specific plan to address Stafford's issues and the game plan aspect.

I thought Schwartz was just a terrible coach, Caldwell might do just fine with lower expectations from the fans but I think we'll know in year one. This team is a few secondary guys and some offensive tweaks away from being real contenders.

The expectations are only going to go so low for a team that most think, rightly or wrongly, to be so close to contention. And Caldwell has shown no indication he's capable of doing anything more than autopiloting an already-loaded, experienced, mature team.

 

[False Start]

Lets try to look at this in a good way even though it is awfully tough to do so. We all know sometimes its the coordinators who call the plays and coach the teams up for the most part. What if these two guys he brings in to run the Offense and Defense are a real gem in the making?

 

[JohnnyU]

Hasn't he already sucked as a head coach? I don't get the recycling of coaches. Why not give some new blood a chance?

3 of the 4 head coaches who will be coaching next weekend have been fired from an NFL head coaching job before. 2 of those 3 really didn't have much success until their current job.

That's a fun stat. i like this game. Let's see how else we can spin it.

2 of those 3 coaches were fired from clueless organizations at the time they fired the coach and have never had a HC anywhere near as good as the guy they fired, since.

The hiring of Caldwell is like when Tubby Smith came to Kentucky. Pitino hands him a half-decade's worth of built-up programming and you see how it goes: Give him a loaded gun and he can at least fire it but he can't reload it and, little by little, you see it all devolve.

This Lions job was set up for Whiz or some truly HC-caliber guy to come in and do something with it like we have seen some of the new-blood coaches do. They may as well as hired Shianco for this. This will crumble within 2 seasons, mark it down, and by then, the best of Megatron and Bush will be gone and all the talent that is really there now will be in those cross-hair years where they may leave or stay, etc.

This hiring sets the Lions back at least 6 years.

As a former Kentucky native and life long fan, you are correct about Tubby Smith and the comparison. The problem Ky fans had with Tubby is that he didn't want to beat the pavement recruiting and wanted to settle for prospects closer to ranking 100 than top 10. He was a lousy recruiter and Ky fans ran him out of town. Tubby wasn't and isn't a bad bench coach, but he didn't want to go on those long recruiting trips I guess.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

The Lions are not your average NFL franchise. The NFL is designed for teams to go up and down. The Lions have 1 playoff win in 56 years. This is unexplainable even by NFL pundits.

Well .... yeah, how does this happen.

 

[JohnnyU]

If the Colts are smart and if they want to hang on to Christensen, they better fire Pep Hamilton and promote Chrisensen to OC. Hamilton sucks equally as bad as Caldwell, but in a different way. What makes Caldwell smart is that he at least tries to surround himself with good coaches to hide his deficiencies.

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports Colts QBs coach Clyde Christensen is Lions coach Jim Caldwell's "top choice" to serve as Detroit's offensive coordinator.
Caldwell and Christensen worked together in Indianapolis from 2002-2011. When Caldwell was named the head coach of the Colts in 2009, he promoted Christensen to OC. Current Colts coach Chuck Pagano retained Christensen as QBs coach. Christensen was a major influence on Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. He'd be a terrific hire to work alongside Matthew Stafford

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If the Colts are smart and if they want to hang on to Christensen, they better fire Pep Hamilton and promote Chrisensen to OC. Hamilton sucks equally as bad as Caldwell, but in a different way. What makes Caldwell smart is that he at least tries to surround himself with good coaches to hide his deficiencies.

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports Colts QBs coach Clyde Christensen is Lions coach Jim Caldwell's "top choice" to serve as Detroit's offensive coordinator.
Caldwell and Christensen worked together in Indianapolis from 2002-2011. When Caldwell was named the head coach of the Colts in 2009, he promoted Christensen to OC. Current Colts coach Chuck Pagano retained Christensen as QBs coach. Christensen was a major influence on Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. He'd be a terrific hire to work alongside Matthew Stafford

Maybe this is the real goal of the Caldwell hire.

Still need a worthy DC.

 

[Jobber]

Who will the Lions take with the 1st pick next year? Can you draft coaches? While Caldwell was not dealt the best hand with Manning going down and Painter and Kerry Collins as the replacements, he could not have been the best option.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Hear that, Calvin? That's the sound of your window closing.

yup. Sad. It takes an especially dolt coach to wreck a good thing and I guarantee you....guarantee...caldwell comes in and starts building things around "taking pressure off Calvin" and "using more options" and what we will see come September is how bad the Lions really are when the greatest player in the game suddenly gets the Andre Johnson treatment....run him off and drag the coverage...move him around but don't feed him.

This is going to be FRUSTRATING for Calvin owners (and the Lions fan....whoever he is).

Where do people come up with this crap? What in Caldwell's history would possibly make you think his gameplan will be to avoid throwing to his best WR? Reggie Wayne did just fine when Caldwell coached the Colts. He took plenty of shots downfield to Torrey Smith this season with the Ravens. But you're confident enough to GUARANTEE he will neglect Calvin Johnson. Why?

Plenty of logical criticisms to make about Caldwell without having to make #### up.

 

[domvin]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

You seem to have forgotten the Millen Years?

 

[The Captain]

well the good news is at the end ofthe Caldwell era, they probably fire Martin Mayhew

Is it too much to hope they offer him a two year deal so if they miss the playoffs they can fire Mayhew and Caldwell without eating multiple years of Caldwells contract?

 

[Spartans Rule]

He can't be worse than Schwartz

People should stop bashing a guy who turned an 0-16 team around into a playoff contender, I think this is a downgrade for sure.

It's not like they were going to go 0-16 forever if they didn't have Jim Schwartz. The NFL is designed so that bad teams get better. The Lions had tons of high draft picks and cap space to work with, and once they replaced the worst GM ever they were able to start accumulating talent like a normal team. Schwartz then took that talent to one playoff appearance and two 2nd-half collapses.

You seem to have forgotten the Millen Years?

Read the sentence right after the one you bolded.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hear that, Calvin? That's the sound of your window closing.

yup. Sad. It takes an especially dolt coach to wreck a good thing and I guarantee you....guarantee...caldwell comes in and starts building things around "taking pressure off Calvin" and "using more options" and what we will see come September is how bad the Lions really are when the greatest player in the game suddenly gets the Andre Johnson treatment....run him off and drag the coverage...move him around but don't feed him.

This is going to be FRUSTRATING for Calvin owners (and the Lions fan....whoever he is).

Where do people come up with this crap? What in Caldwell's history would possibly make you think his gameplan will be to avoid throwing to his best WR? Reggie Wayne did just fine when Caldwell coached the Colts. He took plenty of shots downfield to Torrey Smith this season with the Ravens. But you're confident enough to GUARANTEE he will neglect Calvin Johnson. Why?

Plenty of logical criticisms to make about Caldwell without having to make #### up.

Wait for the coordinators, this is starting to feel like people will be undervaluing Lions players next year.

 

[Soulfly3]

Bringing up the "at least we arent the Browns" argument?

Id rather be a Browns fan, and know we are going to lose, than get #### teased by a team stacked w talent that can't win a damn thing to save it's life.

 

[LinusMarr]

I am shocked anyone hired Caldwell as a HC lol

 

[fantasycurse42]

Just picked up David Akers

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just picked up David Akers

lol

 

[domvin]

Apparently Caldwell came in with a specific plan to address Stafford's issues and the game plan aspect.

I thought Schwartz was just a terrible coach, Caldwell might do just fine with lower expectations from the fans but I think we'll know in year one. This team is a few secondary guys and some offensive tweaks away from being real contenders.

Maybe that plan identified Stafford playing more like Manning. It worked in indy.

Caldwell is in over his head. He blatantly sucks. i honestly don't see how anyone can endorse this hire.

It's a knee jerk hire. Whiz left them at the altar, and they panicked. it's obvious to the nth degree.