Caldwell To Coach Lions (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won championships with.

Tony wasn't a GREAT coach, but 10 straight playoff appearances is a whole lot better than Caldwell has done or will do.

 

[pizzatyme]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won

championships with.

As a Colts fan, I agree. Dungy held us back, not vice versa.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won championships with.

Tony wasn't a GREAT coach, but 10 straight playoff appearances is a whole lot better than Caldwell has done or will do.

I think Dungy is over-rated, his teams always seemed to choke

 

[fatness]

A guy that led his team to 14-0 and to a super bowl in his rookie season gets zero respect by fans, which is amazing.

But I'm in agreement with the general consensus. This guy, to me, looked absolutely clueless on the sidelines.

I could have done what he did with the Colts.

You could have done that with Kirk Cousins.

 

[False Start]

Looking into this after my instant anger subsided, he is a coach that took a team to a SB. Those do not come on trees, some say anyone can do it but Fox couldn't do it with Manning last year and Dungy took them to as many SBs as Caldwell, while Dungy won his it is not an easy feat to get to the SB. But you could win with that team? Now that we discovered a lot of this is pure anger and not facts, lets discuss this.

Have the Lions ever had a Head Coach who has Super Bowl experience? Has Caldwell had some unfortunate circumstance to work with? Is he better than Munchak and other options? I believe so. Everyone thought Schwartz was a great hire, or at least in regards to how people feel about this hire. Does he have some respect around the league and could players want to come here to play for him? That remains to be seen, but I decided that I will reserve my judgement for when a coaching decision has to be made and we see how he handles it. I still can see why some are upset.

 

[JohnnyU]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won

championships with.

As a Colts fan, I agree. Dungy held us back, not vice versa.

That's like saying Bobby Cox wasn't a great manager because the Braves only won 1 World Series in the 90s. s**t happens.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Looking into this after my instant anger subsided, he is a coach that took a team to a SB. Those do not come on trees, some say anyone can do it but Fox couldn't do it with Manning last year and Dungy took them to as many SBs as Caldwell, while Dungy won his it is not an easy feat to get to the SB. But you could win with that team? Now that we discovered a lot of this is pure anger and not facts, lets discuss this.

Have the Lions ever had a Head Coach who has Super Bowl experience? Has Caldwell had some unfortunate circumstance to work with? Is he better than Munchak and other options? I believe so. Everyone thought Schwartz was a great hire, or at least in regards to how people feel about this hire. Does he have some respect around the league and could players want to come here to play for him? That remains to be seen, but I decided that I will reserve my judgement for when a coaching decision has to be made and we see how he handles it. I still can see why some are upset.

you must have forgot the Bobby ross era, a coach who had won a natioanl championship in college and had been to a superbowl

 

[pizzatyme]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won

championships with.

As a Colts fan, I agree. Dungy held us back, not vice versa.

That's like saying Bobby Cox wasn't a great manager because the Braves only won 1 World Series in the 90s. s**t happens.

Most conservative coach I've ever seen. And that's saying something.

Belichick= risk taker ("we'll do everything possible to win") He coaches like he has Joe Montana as his QB

Dungy= punt on 4th &2 from the opponents 38 up 3. (s**t happens) and then we lose. He coached like he had Trent freaking Dilfer as his QB.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won

championships with.

As a Colts fan, I agree. Dungy held us back, not vice versa.

That's like saying Bobby Cox wasn't a great manager because the Braves only won 1 World Series in the 90s. s**t happens.

Most conservative coach I've ever seen. And that's saying something.

Belichick= risk taker ("we'll do everything possible to win") He coaches like he has Joe Montana as his QB

Dungy= punt on 4th &2 from the opponents 38 up 3. (s**t happens) and then we lose. He coached like he had Trent freaking Dilfer as his QB.

Caldwell is a dungy clone, same mild manner on the sidelines.

 

[Moonlight]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won championships with.

Dungy left TB after turning that team around. Gruden took TB to a championship the next year but then was below .500 for the rest of his time there.

Always thought that Gruden cashed in on Dungy's chips.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There's a lot that goes into being a head coach, a lot of it is administration. Caldwell was criticized for his game day coaching, and he probably deserved that, but his teams overall were good and he should have good coordinators. Is the new DET OC Lazor?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

There's a lot that goes into being a head coach, a lot of it is administration. Caldwell was criticized for his game day coaching, and he probably deserved that, but his teams overall were good and he should have good coordinators. Is the new DET OC Lazor?

I heard its going to be Lazor, not Christensen

 

[dickey moe]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won championships with.

Dungy's endorsement evidently carries a lot of weight these days.

 

[fatness]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You know who's a really, really terrible coach based on the logic in this thread? Tony Dungy. He went to one Super Bowl in 7 years with a Colts team that a cardboard cutout could've won championships with.

Dungy's endorsement evidently carries a lot of weight these days.

The lions called Dungy first to see if he was interested, then he said just take my worse clone, so they did, after they low balled Whiz

 

[Ghost Rider]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Probably, but it won't be as simple as looking at their W/L records. Schwartz took over a team that had just went 0-16; Caldwell is taking over a 7-9 team. Caldwell could go 12-20 the next two seasons, which would be be better than Schwartz's 29-51, but that won't mean he did a better job.

Besides, that misses the point. Being better than Schwartz won't take much. Considering that most thought the Lions was the most attractive head coaching position that was open, they could have and should have done a lot better than Jim freaking Caldwell.

 

[fatness]

Besides, that misses the point. Being better than Schwartz won't take much. Considering that most thought the Lions was the most attractive head coaching position that was open, they could have and should have done a lot better than Jim freaking Caldwell.

The more likely explanation is that the Lions job wasn't as attractive as people thought. They didn't offer Whisenhunt enough to take it, and pay is a part of the job.

Schwartz was fired for poor results with the players he had, so improving on what he did is exactly the point of hiring a new coach. Setting the bar for Caldwell at something other than improvement over Schwartz isn't where the bar would have been set for Whisenhunt.

 

[RUSF18]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

I'd say they'll perform about the same under Caldwell from a W/L standpoint. There's a lot of talent on that team and that will win them plenty of games.

I have seen a lot of speculation about the reason for why the Detroit job was so undesirable. It seems like a lot of people have mentioned the ownership group, possible difficulty in dealing with Stafford, not wanting to live in/move family to Detroit, etc.

But I think an under reported part may be the massive amount of money the team has tied up in the Stafford/Calvin/Suh trio due to having such high picks under the old rookie structure which resulted in enormous extensions to all of them. I doubt there's another team out there that went 1/2/2 in 3 out of 4 drafts like they did, all of which are still with the team and all of which have monster cap numbers that dwarf what is being paid out now. Having such little flexibility is going to be difficult from a roster management angle going forward, and they're going to have rely on lower cost FAs for depth...and luring that type of talent to Detroit vs other locations is also pretty difficult I'd imagine.

 

[Slapdash]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Hard to tell. Seems like most people think Schwartz was holding the Lions back from taking the next step. Caldwell is likely to be in about the same boat.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Hard to tell. Seems like most people think Schwartz was holding the Lions back from taking the next step. Caldwell is likely to be in about the same boat.

We'll see how Caldwell does here soon enough but Schwartz's last few games were a certified failure.

 

[Da Guru]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Probably, but it won't be as simple as looking at their W/L records. Schwartz took over a team that had just went 0-16; Caldwell is taking over a 7-9 team. Caldwell could go 12-20 the next two seasons, which would be be better than Schwartz's 29-51, but that won't mean he did a better job.

Besides, that misses the point. Being better than Schwartz won't take much. Considering that most thought the Lions was the most attractive head coaching position that was open, they could have and should have done a lot better than Jim freaking Caldwell.

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

Bush hangs on to the football and the Lions are 9-7, Baltimore missies the 61 yard FG and the Lions are 10-6, that is not counting Fairley and Stafford blunders. That is how fine the line is in the NFL. I doubt Caldwell can make a difference in those categories.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Dolphons jump in and hire Lazor as OC

 

[Da Guru]

Dolphons jump in and hire Lazor as OC

What??

 

[False Start]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Probably, but it won't be as simple as looking at their W/L records. Schwartz took over a team that had just went 0-16; Caldwell is taking over a 7-9 team. Caldwell could go 12-20 the next two seasons, which would be be better than Schwartz's 29-51, but that won't mean he did a better job.

Besides, that misses the point. Being better than Schwartz won't take much. Considering that most thought the Lions was the most attractive head coaching position that was open, they could have and should have done a lot better than Jim freaking Caldwell.

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

Bush hangs on to the football and the Lions are 9-7, Baltimore missies the 61 yard FG and the Lions are 10-6, that is not counting Fairley and Stafford blunders. That is how fine the line is in the NFL. I doubt Caldwell can make a difference in those categories.

What if Obama was never elected? What if Leaf was drafted by the Colts? What if there was peace in the middle east? What if, what if, what if? No offense, but what if is a horrible way to look at things.

 

[False Start]

Dolphons jump in and hire Lazor as OC

What??

Lions can't get anyone they want can they? It's funny how Wikipedia has him listen as OC and Austin listen as DC.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The one that got away isn't drawing rave reviews from one of his former QBs.

http://arizonasports.com/40/1691958/NOT-A-FAN

Updated Jan 14, 2014 - 4:19 pm Former Arizona Cardinals QB Matt Leinart not a fan of Titans' hiring of Ken WhisenhuntKen Whisenhunt was out of a head coaching job for exactly 379 days.

The Arizona Cardinals fired Whisenhunt on New Year's Eve 2012 after six years on the job. Tuesday, at a news conference in Nashville, he was named the head coach of the Tennessee Titans.

Undoubtedly Whisenhunt had success in the desert, leading the Cardinals to two straight NFC West divisional titles and their only trip to the Super Bowl. But following Kurt Warner's retirement in 2010, things went downhill for Whisenhunt and the Cardinals, who struggled over the next three seasons and failed to groom a quarterback to fill Warner's shoes.

One of the candidates to take Warner's job was Matt Leinart.

The former Heisman Trophy winner and 2006 first-round draft pick of the Cardinals completed 78.6 percent of his passes during the 2010 preseason, but was passed over by Whisenhunt for the starting job, which went to Derek Anderson, who had signed as a free agent prior to the season. Leinart was cut, and signed with the Houston Texans.

Three years later, Leinart is a free agent and dabbling in the media. Monday, on Fox Sports Live, the 30-year-old shared his thoughts on Tennessee's coaching hire.

"I don't think it's a great fit, and I don't think it's great timing, and here's why," Leinart said. "You look at his tenure in Arizona -- only two years, he had success, and in those two years, Kurt Warner ran that football team -- I was a part of it.

"Every single Monday, Kurt Warner would come in an implement 20-to-30 new plays which he would say ‘I want these in my game plan.' We became a spread offense and we became Kurt Warner's offense. Then Kurt Warner retires, they go 5-11 twice and they go 8-8."

Leinart's thirty-second clock expired at that point, but he concluded with this: "The Tennessee Titans do not have a quarterback right now."

When asked by host Charissa Thompson if Whisenhunt or Warner should have received the credit for the Cardinals' two-year run as a playoff team, Leinart responded again.

"Kurt Warner was fantastic," he said.

Certainly, Leinart was clear that it was Warner, not Whisenhunt, that was the key to Arizona's success. The numbers certainly support that claim.

The Cardinals went 24-18 under Whisenhunt when Warner started games and 21-33 when others were under center.

Tennessee doesn't currently have a franchise-type quarterback on its roster. Jake Locker, a 2011 first-round pick, has been mostly ineffective when healthy. In three seasons, he's only been able to start 18 games, going 8-10. Journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick is also under contract for 2014.

 

[Da Guru]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Probably, but it won't be as simple as looking at their W/L records. Schwartz took over a team that had just went 0-16; Caldwell is taking over a 7-9 team. Caldwell could go 12-20 the next two seasons, which would be be better than Schwartz's 29-51, but that won't mean he did a better job.

Besides, that misses the point. Being better than Schwartz won't take much. Considering that most thought the Lions was the most attractive head coaching position that was open, they could have and should have done a lot better than Jim freaking Caldwell.

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

Bush hangs on to the football and the Lions are 9-7, Baltimore missies the 61 yard FG and the Lions are 10-6, that is not counting Fairley and Stafford blunders. That is how fine the line is in the NFL. I doubt Caldwell can make a difference in those categories.

What if Obama was never elected? What if Leaf was drafted by the Colts? What if there was peace in the middle east? What if, what if, what if? No offense, but what if is a horrible way to look at things.

Not what ifs at all. Those are things that a coach has zero control over.

 

[Slapdash]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Hard to tell. Seems like most people think Schwartz was holding the Lions back from taking the next step. Caldwell is likely to be in about the same boat.

We'll see how Caldwell does here soon enough but Schwartz's last few games were a certified failure.

Sure. The Lions have to hope no in game management gets them better results than Schawrtz's awful in game management. Not a terrible bet, but not one I'd be excited about if I were a Lions fan.

 

[Bob Magaw]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

I'd say they'll perform about the same under Caldwell from a W/L standpoint. There's a lot of talent on that team and that will win them plenty of games.

I have seen a lot of speculation about the reason for why the Detroit job was so undesirable. It seems like a lot of people have mentioned the ownership group, possible difficulty in dealing with Stafford, not wanting to live in/move family to Detroit, etc.

But I think an under reported part may be the massive amount of money the team has tied up in the Stafford/Calvin/Suh trio due to having such high picks under the old rookie structure which resulted in enormous extensions to all of them. I doubt there's another team out there that went 1/2/2 in 3 out of 4 drafts like they did, all of which are still with the team and all of which have monster cap numbers that dwarf what is being paid out now. Having such little flexibility is going to be difficult from a roster management angle going forward, and they're going to have rely on lower cost FAs for depth...and luring that type of talent to Detroit vs other locations is also pretty difficult I'd imagine.

Good point.

STL picked 1.2 (Chris Long), 1.2 (Jason Smith) and 1.1 (Sam Bradford) in consecutive years (2008-2009-2010), and were 15-65 at one point over a five year span, but Smith is not only no longer with the Rams but out of the league. A big challenge for them going forward is playing in the NFC West. The QB will either be extended in the next few years or they will go in another direction (Stafford and Bradford were the last two #1 overall picks under the old CBA, Newton and Luck first two under the new terms), either which should afford some relief. They still are able to pay Chris Long and Laurinaitis $10 million per year each, and were able to land free agents Cortland Finnegan and Jake Long in 2012-2013. Finnegan is grossly overpaid ($15 million cap hit in 2014?) and his play fell off a cliff in 2013, so he is expected to be cut or drastically renegotiated. Demoff has generally done a good job with the cap, after years of having a lot of dead money on the books under previous regimes. Having five first round picks in 2012-2014 under the new CBA has helped, also trading down twice from 1.2-1.6-1.13 before taking Brockers and from 1.22-1.30 for Brockers (though they did move up from 1.16-.1.8 for Austin). They reportedly would like to trade down from the 1.2 again. By getting cheap rookies at "below market" deals, it enables them to add the occasional free agent (they do need to extend Robert Quinn who was one of the top 2-3 defenders in the league in a breakout season, and might want to re-sign versatile OL Roger Saffold, so may not be very active in free agency in 2014).

 

[False Start]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

 

[False Start]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

 

[Da Guru]

So the people saying Caldwell is a bad hire are saying the Lions will do worse under Caldwell than under Schwartz.

Right?

Hard to tell. Seems like most people think Schwartz was holding the Lions back from taking the next step. Caldwell is likely to be in about the same boat.

We'll see how Caldwell does here soon enough but Schwartz's last few games were a certified failure.

Sure. The Lions have to hope no in game management gets them better results than Schawrtz's awful in game management. Not a terrible bet, but not one I'd be excited about if I were a Lions fan.

Caldwell has made two of the biggest game management blunders in playoff history. So I was not too excited to keep Schwartz, but not excited at all to get Caldwell. Caldwell was going nowhere but the unemployment line. So why the rush? Wait until the playoffs are over and evaluate all the coaching talent that was available.

 

[fatness]

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

Bush hangs on to the football and the Lions are 9-7, Baltimore missies the 61 yard FG and the Lions are 10-6, that is not counting Fairley and Stafford blunders. That is how fine the line is in the NFL. I doubt Caldwell can make a difference in those categories.

The Lions lost a fair number of games by being undisciplined. The reason they were talked about as "best landing spot" for a new coach is because of their personnel, which looks to be better than their record. Every team fumbles and throws INT's. Not every team is undisciplined enough to lose games, but the Lions were. That falls directly on the head coach - Schwartz.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

 

[False Start]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

very well could be Whiz & caldwells last HC for both of them.

Overall I think this was a particularlly weak crop of HC. Time will tell how they perform but Gurden, O'Brien, Zimmer, Caldwell, Whiz, not exactly a great class.

 

[Tanner9919]

Poor Schwartzy , he must be like "you fired me for THAT guy?! jeez'

Norv Turner didn't get a looksie? Kevin Killdrive? Stoops?

If I'm Detroit, I'm calling Marty Schottenheimer, pronto..he'll get you to 12-4, and to the postseason, each and every year.. you'll never win a title with him, but at least you'll be above .500..

the team that will make out like bandits with the Caldwell hiring in Detroit, is the Ravens - when/if they hire Norv Turner,..

Ray Rice is his prototypical workhorse RB. Pitta his typical TE..each gets a massive bump in the ratings if/when Turner is hired as OC..

 

[RUSF18]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

Why do you keep making the assumption that he only took the Tennessee job because of the extra money?

 

[Da Guru]

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

Bush hangs on to the football and the Lions are 9-7, Baltimore missies the 61 yard FG and the Lions are 10-6, that is not counting Fairley and Stafford blunders. That is how fine the line is in the NFL. I doubt Caldwell can make a difference in those categories.

The Lions lost a fair number of games by being undisciplined. The reason they were talked about as "best landing spot" for a new coach is because of their personnel, which looks to be better than their record. Every team fumbles and throws INT's. Not every team is undisciplined enough to lose games, but the Lions were. That falls directly on the head coach - Schwartz.

Every team does fumble and throw INTs, but the Lions were -12 in the turnover category. The two teams playing for the NFC Title Seattle was a +20, SF was a +12. If you fumble and throw more INTs than your opponent you lose in the NFL. Reggie Bushs fumbles actually cost the Lions games this season. That is not counting all the bad throws Stafford made.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

I'd agree that Schwartz with a better OC would've been a good situation. But that's also the biggest reason Schwartz had to go - he's ultimately responsible for his staff and he kept the inept Linehan as OC and the unqualified Todd Downing as QB coach, and Stafford was regressing as a result of it.

 

[mikel0254]

I would have rather kept Schwartz and hired a dynamic OC. Scott Linehan was horrible last season. The Lions lost a game vs Baltimore on a last second 61 yard FG, they lost 2 games because of Reggie Bush fumbles, they lost 2 games because Matt Stafford threw late INTs on ill advised throws. They lost another game because Nick Fairley jumped offside late in a game that kept a drive alive.

I'd agree that Schwartz with a better OC would've been a good situation. But that's also the biggest reason Schwartz had to go - he's ultimately responsible for his staff and he kept the inept Linehan as OC and the unqualified Todd Downing as QB coach, and Stafford was regressing as a result of it.

[SIZE=10.5pt]If Schwartz was still the coach next year, we'd all be back here in January 2015 saying "same old Lions". He let his players do whatever they wanted, and that resulted in undisciplined play and ultimately what lost us so many games this year. I think I read somewhere that we had the lead in the 4th quarter in 14 of the 16 games this year, including the last 7 where we lost 6 of those. That would not change with a new OC, it falls on the guy at the top. He needed to go.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]From what I'm reading, Caldwell does install discipline in his players, although it’s hard to imagine given his demeanor on the sidelines...[/SIZE]

 

[The Captain]

Lazor to Miami.

Soooo...who in the hell is going to hold Stafford's hand now?

 

[False Start]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

Why do you keep making the assumption that he only took the Tennessee job because of the extra money?

My gut tells me that was the driving force. People can knock Detroit and living there all they want, if they offered exactly what Tennessee offered he would of went to Detroit. Many assumed Detroit was the better opportunity to win now and both Caldwell and Wiz need to win now or their careers as a HC are done. Do you think he has a better chance in the next few years in Detroit or Tennessee? Many like I have said seem like the better shot is in Detroit.

 

[Da Guru]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

Why do you keep making the assumption that he only took the Tennessee job because of the extra money?

My gut tells me that was the driving force. People can knock Detroit and living there all they want, if they offered exactly what Tennessee offered he would of went to Detroit. Many assumed Detroit was the better opportunity to win now and both Caldwell and Wiz need to win now or their careers as a HC are done. Do you think he has a better chance in the next few years in Detroit or Tennessee? Many like I have said seem like the better shot is in Detroit.

The shelf life for NFL HCs is usually pretty short. The Titans offered 1 million per year more than the Lions. Or 4-5 million more depending on the contract. Whiz is never going to be the HC of another NFL team anyway. And the odds of winning a SuperBowl with the Lions is pretty slim as well. So the money did mean something.

 

[mikel0254]

Wasn't The Hoody 36-44 in his first stint as a head coach with only one playoff appearance and one winning season? I wonder how the Pats fans felt about his hire after that stint and having Parcells take them to a Super Bowl. While Bill B. is one of the greatest coaches ever and Caldwell can't be mentioned in the same breath at this point, my point is you can't just assume the worst from coaches, things do change.

This is pretty much correct. We all have our own opinion but when it comes down to it we just have to wait and see.

The problem with the Lions is they screw up so much it's easy to just assume he will suck.

Another point, The Hoody was out of a head coaching gig for 6 years after that. People seemed to not want to give him another shot either. Once they did, he hasn't had a losing season since. Caldwell does have a good mind for the game and what has Wiz done that Caldwell hasn't, beside just take a job just for more money? Wiz already showed that his professional decision making is flawed. Anyone with eyes can see Detroit is a better option to win now, the NFL does not wait. Wiz just cost him a shot at ever being a HC again if Tennessee does not work out.

why is taking a job for 4 to 5 million dollars flawed? not only that I think tennessee will be more patient with Whiz becuase Locker isnt the answer and Whiz also got more control over player personnel, The Lions FO is a mess has been for a long time, and wont get any bette until (hopefully) they sweep out Lewand and Mayhew with caldwell in the next 2/3 years after this coming failure

I agree the Lions FO is a mess of all messes, but taking a job just for more money is not always the right choice. While I do not hate anyone for getting the money it may not be the best decision for ones career. Do you agree if this is a failure in Tennessee that Wiz won't ever be a Head Coach again?

Why do you keep making the assumption that he only took the Tennessee job because of the extra money?

My gut tells me that was the driving force. People can knock Detroit and living there all they want, if they offered exactly what Tennessee offered he would of went to Detroit. Many assumed Detroit was the better opportunity to win now and both Caldwell and Wiz need to win now or their careers as a HC are done. Do you think he has a better chance in the next few years in Detroit or Tennessee? Many like I have said seem like the better shot is in Detroit.

The shelf life for NFL HCs is usually pretty short. The Titans offered 1 million per year more than the Lions. Or 4-5 million more depending on the contract. Whiz is never going to be the HC of another NFL team anyway. And the odds of winning a SuperBowl with the Lions is pretty slim as well. So the money did mean something.

I'm very surprised the Lions didn't offer him a contract he couldn't refuse. He was clearly their #1 target, and the guy us fans (and hopefully the front office) thought could take this team to the Super Bowl. If they offered him a fair but not outstanding contract, then I have completely lost hope in this organization.

This has to be all about money. I don't buy for a second the argument of "he didn't want to move to Detroit". There are plenty of very nice areas in the Detroit area, and being a HC in this league is a very finite period of time. It's not like he's making a decision like most of us have to make when moving for a job. We think of it as a permanent move. NFL coaches know they will more than likely be in another city 5-7 years down the road, if not earlier. You cannot convince me that the thought of coaching the talent on Detroit and living in a city near Detroit like Ann Arbor, Birmingham, or Bloomfield Hills is less attractive than living in Nashville and coaching a team with no clear QB and far less overall talent. The only way I can see Tennessee is more attractive in this instance is if he's making more money.

 

[B-Deep]

why would anyone assume it is not the money

if you offer me a million dollars more a year to move to a mountain in tibet and inseminate yak's i'll probably be on the next flight to Katmandu

there's nothing so drastically different about these organizations to make a million dollar difference

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Lazor to Miami.

Soooo...who in the hell is going to hold Stafford's hand now?

Is Christensen (IND) in the conversation?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

why would anyone assume it is not the money

if you offer me a million dollars more a year to move to a mountain in tibet and inseminate yak's i'll probably be on the next flight to Katmandu

there's nothing so drastically different about these organizations to make a million dollar difference

You would bone yaks for a million dollars per year? If you did a yak per day, that only amounts to less than 4 grand per yak, assuming you get Sat and Sun off. I'd need more than that, but I guess after the first one, it stops mattering.

 

[B-Deep]

why would anyone assume it is not the money

if you offer me a million dollars more a year to move to a mountain in tibet and inseminate yak's i'll probably be on the next flight to Katmandu

there's nothing so drastically different about these organizations to make a million dollar difference

You would bone yaks for a million dollars per year? If you did a yak per day, that only amounts to less than 4 grand per yak, assuming you get Sat and Sun off. I'd need more than that, but I guess after the first one, it stops mattering.

i am not boning them!

just injecting them with yak jizz