Cam Newton (2 Viewers)

[The Commish]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

So, where are these fans? I've not run across any and they aren't on talk radio around here. The general consensus is they want him to start and take his lumps, but they all seem to understand there's going to be A LOT of lumps. There's been a few that call and defend him at all costs, but certainly not the majority. Is it different in other parts of the state? You're in the G'boro area right?

Still haven't found that group described above....maybe the hurricane blew them to our neck of the woods. Will look tomorrow and report back

 

[Stealthycat]

I love when homers use the most narrow definition of a word to justify their bias.

at least my reason isn't arbitrary ....... and I hate Carolina Panthers too, additional reason to hate Camand I hate his name too

 

[BassNBrew]

Newton will fight to finish in the top 25 Qbs this season

So will Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

That's not true at all

Maybe you're correct, but I think they are both pretty competitive and make a good effort to finish in the top 25.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

So, where are these fans? I've not run across any and they aren't on talk radio around here. The general consensus is they want him to start and take his lumps, but they all seem to understand there's going to be A LOT of lumps. There's been a few that call and defend him at all costs, but certainly not the majority. Is it different in other parts of the state? You're in the G'boro area right?

Still haven't found that group described above....maybe the hurricane blew them to our neck of the woods. Will look tomorrow and report back

I listen to Taylor Zarzour and Marc James on WFNZ out of Charlotte every day. Before the pre-season started, all you could hear was optimistic fans about how Newton was going to save the franchise and people calling in predicting 9 and 10 win seasons. Even Zarzour and James were overly-optimistic, though not as much as the call-in fan base.Now after 3 sub par games, people have revised their expectations. Some have flipped completely, some are just buttoning up. But trust me, they were there.

 

[OnTheReg]

Is he worth a roster spot right now?

 

[BassNBrew]

Glad I TIVO the game and checked it out last night as you guys have me ready to launch myself off the cliff.

Drive 1 - TD

Drive 2 - Williams gains five yards on second down and Cam converst the 3rd down. Stewart come in and nets -1 yards. Cam throws an incompletion on 3 and 11. Punt.

Drive 3 - Once again starting in the shadows of his own goal posts, Cam takes the field. Cam converts 3rd and long with his legs again. Sack, Stewart stuffed, and then an incompletion to LaFell who once again can't get any separation. Punt.

Drive 4 - Stating this drive from the 8 yard line. Cam leads the team out to the 40. Another sack plus a chop block penalty leaves the Cats with a 3 and 16. Punt.

Drive 5 - Kneel down

Drive 6 - Better field position and Cam takes the team 35 yards for a FG. He did make a horrible read attemtping to hit Stewart deep on 3rd down.

Drive 7 - 12 yards and a FG. meh.

Every time Cam started with the ball outside of the 20 yard line the team netted points. 3 of 4 drives starting inside the 20 yard resulted in a first down and improved field position. It would have been 4 of 4 except one play was called back for holding.

I'm not ready to write the guy off yet. Yeah, he's very rough and inaccurate at times, but we're seeing some bright spots. While it may just be dumb luck, I don't recall any INTs or major screw ups. I did see a lot of drop passes or balls thrown where only the intended receiver had a chance to make a play.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Glad I TIVO the game and checked it out last night as you guys have me ready to launch myself off the cliff.Drive 1 - TDDrive 2 - Williams gains five yards on second down and Cam converst the 3rd down. Stewart come in and nets -1 yards. Cam throws an incompletion on 3 and 11. Punt.Drive 3 - Once again starting in the shadows of his own goal posts, Cam takes the field. Cam converts 3rd and long with his legs again. Sack, Stewart stuffed, and then an incompletion to LaFell who once again can't get any separation. Punt.Drive 4 - Stating this drive from the 8 yard line. Cam leads the team out to the 40. Another sack plus a chop block penalty leaves the Cats with a 3 and 16. Punt.Drive 5 - Kneel downDrive 6 - Better field position and Cam takes the team 35 yards for a FG. He did make a horrible read attemtping to hit Stewart deep on 3rd down. Drive 7 - 12 yards and a FG. meh. Every time Cam started with the ball outside of the 20 yard line the team netted points. 3 of 4 drives starting inside the 20 yard resulted in a first down and improved field position. It would have been 4 of 4 except one play was called back for holding.I'm not ready to write the guy off yet. Yeah, he's very rough and inaccurate at times, but we're seeing some bright spots. While it may just be dumb luck, I don't recall any INTs or major screw ups. I did see a lot of drop passes or balls thrown where only the intended receiver had a chance to make a play.

Ironically, as a critic of the Cam Newton pick from the get-go, I've maintained a "its early, the team around him isn't that good yet, wait-and-see" attitude towards him. Some of his advocates earlier have completely gone over to the other side (see pantherclub, et al).For the record, I though picking AJ Green or Patrick Peterson was the play, and then QB next year if needed. I think there were too many other holes to go QB again, in my opinion. I love the off-season moves for TEs that can catch, outside of that and health in the RBs and O-line, however, I don't see where this team improved itself in the offseason. The D-line and DBs look particularly bad. I don't think Clausen got a fair shot to show whether he could/couldn't win with this team. I think he and a veteran QB should have been given the chance to fight for the job this year and then go QB next (Luck or otherwise) if that didn't pan out. They didn't choose to go that way, however, and I agree that Cam is their best bet to win now. I hope Jimmy gets a real chance to be a QB elsewhere, but barring injury, I think he's done in Carolina. I think Panther's fans need to have realistic expectations. Some I've met do. Some do not. I think 5 wins and steady improvement from Cam through the course of the year should be considered a successful season.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think Cam is the real deal, and though he'll struggle at times, he'll exceed expectations and the Panthers will surprise.

What's the Vegas O/U on wins?

 

[TheFanatic]

His passing makes Vince young look like johnny Unitas, but he certainly looks like he belongs put there.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this? He makes Vince Young look all world, but he belongs on the field?

 

[Joe Summer]

I think Cam is the real deal, and though he'll struggle at times, he'll exceed expectations and the Panthers will surprise.What's the Vegas O/U on wins?

4.5, which is the smallest number on the board.I don't think this is a 5+ win team.

 

[drfeelgood]

I listen to Taylor Zarzour and Marc James on WFNZ out of Charlotte every day. Before the pre-season started, all you could hear was optimistic fans about how Newton was going to save the franchise and people calling in predicting 9 and 10 win seasons. Even Zarzour and James were overly-optimistic, though not as much as the call-in fan base.Now after 3 sub par games, people have revised their expectations. Some have flipped completely, some are just buttoning up. But trust me, they were there.

I have not heard one Panther fan here in NC that predicted a 9 to 10 win season. I think you are extremely blinded by your Clausen love.

 

[drfeelgood]

Ironically, as a critic of the Cam Newton pick from the get-go, I've maintained a "its early, the team around him isn't that good yet, wait-and-see" attitude towards him. Some of his advocates earlier have completely gone over to the other side (see pantherclub, et al).

pantherclub? He is a drama queen. In the ACC threads he is either writing joyfully about UNC's football scandal, or whining about how terrible NC State's programs are. He is supposively a NC State fan, but he has nothing good to say about them.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I listen to Taylor Zarzour and Marc James on WFNZ out of Charlotte every day. Before the pre-season started, all you could hear was optimistic fans about how Newton was going to save the franchise and people calling in predicting 9 and 10 win seasons. Even Zarzour and James were overly-optimistic, though not as much as the call-in fan base.Now after 3 sub par games, people have revised their expectations. Some have flipped completely, some are just buttoning up. But trust me, they were there.

I have not heard one Panther fan here in NC that predicted a 9 to 10 win season. I think you are extremely blinded by your Clausen love.

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.I'm a Clausen fan, yes. I've also said that Newton is clearly the best chance to win now. I think, unlike some, Newton's got a chance to be a good QB in this league. I think it will be a long year of growing and improving with the Panthers. They've got a killer schedule and a lot to learn. If the fans are patient, it could pay off in a year or two, but the optimism of a month ago (which I heard, but strangely you heard none of), was far out of line. This is a 4-5 win team. Any more than that should be considered a rousing success for Ron Rivera in his first year.

 

[omally]

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.

I'm a Panther fan, and I honestly haven't heard any Panther fans talk about winning a lot of games this year. Everyone believes we are heading in the right direction, and everyone expects Newton to go through his growing pains if he is the starter. Fans know the team needs a lot of improvement, and most of us would like Newton to start now so he can go through the lumps and the team can grow together. I have no idea who these fans are that expect an 8 win minimum season.

 

[omally]

Ironically, as a critic of the Cam Newton pick from the get-go, I've maintained a "its early, the team around him isn't that good yet, wait-and-see" attitude towards him. Some of his advocates earlier have completely gone over to the other side (see pantherclub, et al).

pantherclub? He is a drama queen.

That's an understatement.

 

[pantherclub]

Every time Cam started with the ball outside of the 20 yard line the team netted points. 3 of 4 drives starting inside the 20 yard resulted in a first down and improved field position. It would have been 4 of 4 except one play was called back for holding.I'm not ready to write the guy off yet. Yeah, he's very rough and inaccurate at times, but we're seeing some bright spots. While it may just be dumb luck, I don't recall any INTs or major screw ups. I did see a lot of drop passes or balls thrown where only the intended receiver had a chance to make a play.

I understand what you are saying but my overall point is that the #1 pick in the draft should not have to basically learn from scratch simple mechanics (cam throws off his back foot more than his front), reading defenses (he throws into coverage wayyyy too much) or taking simple snaps from center and staying in the pocket. I will get crucified for saying this but in a perfect world he is a project 3rd roundish pick that needs to ride the bench for a few years or play in specific scenarios. He is in no way ready to lead a NFL team. I dont understand how those other 2 posters say I am being over dramatic about this when its the stone cold facts. The Panthers should have drafted Green or Peterson and taken their lumps and drafted one of the top qbs next year.Cam is a long way off just being an average, startable qb. If the defense plays like they did against Cincy then they have a top 5 pick lined up without a doubt.

 

[Sleehrat]

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.

I'm a Panther fan, and I honestly haven't heard any Panther fans talk about winning a lot of games this year. Everyone believes we are heading in the right direction, and everyone expects Newton to go through his growing pains if he is the starter. Fans know the team needs a lot of improvement, and most of us would like Newton to start now so he can go through the lumps and the team can grow together. I have no idea who these fans are that expect an 8 win minimum season.

Completely agree with omally. Panther fan here too. Those that were predicting great season from Panthers were the small minority that just happens to make for great radio. Plus, optimism always runs high before the first pre-season, especially when the #1 pick is on the team.Cam's true value can't be measured by his performance this year. Most Panther fans recognize that this is a couple year work in progress. And i'm in the camp of starting Cam on day 1, take your lumps as he gets game experience. Starting Claussen would be extremely near-sighted (not to mention foolish).

 

[pantherclub]

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.

I'm a Panther fan, and I honestly haven't heard any Panther fans talk about winning a lot of games this year. Everyone believes we are heading in the right direction, and everyone expects Newton to go through his growing pains if he is the starter. Fans know the team needs a lot of improvement, and most of us would like Newton to start now so he can go through the lumps and the team can grow together. I have no idea who these fans are that expect an 8 win minimum season.

Completely agree with omally. Panther fan here too. Those that were predicting great season from Panthers were the small minority that just happens to make for great radio. Plus, optimism always runs high before the first pre-season, especially when the #1 pick is on the team.

Cam's true value can't be measured by his performance this year. Most Panther fans recognize that this is a couple year work in progress.

And i'm in the camp of starting Cam on day 1, take your lumps as he gets game experience. Starting Claussen would be extremely near-sighted (not to mention foolish).

I thought with signing all of our players and the free agents we got and if the ball bounced our way in a few games I could see 8-8. But I didnt think that Cam would be this far off. 5 wins will absolutely be progress as it stands now especially if the defense plays like it did. Holy crap our run and pass d was atrocious Thursday.

 

[simey]

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.

I'm a Panther fan, and I honestly haven't heard any Panther fans talk about winning a lot of games this year. Everyone believes we are heading in the right direction, and everyone expects Newton to go through his growing pains if he is the starter. Fans know the team needs a lot of improvement, and most of us would like Newton to start now so he can go through the lumps and the team can grow together. I have no idea who these fans are that expect an 8 win minimum season.

Completely agree with omally. Panther fan here too. Those that were predicting great season from Panthers were the small minority that just happens to make for great radio. Plus, optimism always runs high before the first pre-season, especially when the #1 pick is on the team.Cam's true value can't be measured by his performance this year. Most Panther fans recognize that this is a couple year work in progress. And i'm in the camp of starting Cam on day 1, take your lumps as he gets game experience. Starting Claussen would be extremely near-sighted (not to mention foolish).

Another Panther fan that agrees with both of you (you and omally).

 

[Sleehrat]

pantherclub - i'm with ya. Cam is lower on my concerns. The defense I saw against Cincy was disgraceful. Cam will get better, but will the D-line improve? If we can't put pressure on the QB, and can't hold the line against runs, then marginal QBs like Henne/Dalton are going to look like superstars.

 

[The Commish]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

So, where are these fans? I've not run across any and they aren't on talk radio around here. The general consensus is they want him to start and take his lumps, but they all seem to understand there's going to be A LOT of lumps. There's been a few that call and defend him at all costs, but certainly not the majority. Is it different in other parts of the state? You're in the G'boro area right?

Still haven't found that group described above....maybe the hurricane blew them to our neck of the woods. Will look tomorrow and report back

I listen to Taylor Zarzour and Marc James on WFNZ out of Charlotte every day. Before the pre-season started, all you could hear was optimistic fans about how Newton was going to save the franchise and people calling in predicting 9 and 10 win seasons. Even Zarzour and James were overly-optimistic, though not as much as the call-in fan base.Now after 3 sub par games, people have revised their expectations. Some have flipped completely, some are just buttoning up. But trust me, they were there.

Again, I don't question that some exist(ed)...just that it was the default position and yeah, I miss all that crap on the afternoon show. Marc with a C is brutal and I simply can't listen to that show, so I miss the afternoons. The morning show with Chris McClain is about all I get out of WFNZ anymore. Sucks that Packer is gone.The reality is, if the offensive line and running backs don't shape up, it doesn't matter who the QB is. It's going to be ugly.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Seems that many are hitting the mark, claiming that the defense is what holds this team back. While Cam is not a good passer, and even calling him a bad passer to this point is being kind, I will say that he does a pretty good job of staying clear of the interceptions. He will take care of the ball as well as you could hope from a rookie QB. Yes, he will be fooled on occasion but will generally just pull it down and run if he doesn't like what he sees and that is a BIG plus. They haven't turned Cam loose with his legs yet, and I'm sure has been corralled quite a lot to protect him during the preseason. He is a better runner than Tebow or Young, and probably any active QB not named Vick and with Vick's age that could change by year's end. Cam will help keep the chains moving more often than not, and drives will likely stall due to holding penalties as the line gets accustomed to a mobile/running QB, and due to incompletions but that is a big field position difference compared to INTs. What I'm trying to say, in a nutshell, is that while still a bad passer I don't think Cam is a negative to this team. Probably a neutral piece at this point but he does have the aptitude and work ethic to improve significantly as a passer.

 

[FDC]

In his last preseason outing against Cincinnati, Newton tucked the ball and ran for a 16-yard touchdown. In the past four seasons, NFL quarterbacks have run for touchdowns of 15-plus yards an average of four times a year. Sprow did the math and it comes out to once in about 8,100 plays. Also in that Cincinnati game, Newton had a 26-yard scramble. Last season, NFL quarterbacks combined 17 times to run 25 or more yards. That’s about once every 1,900 plays. Newton made both those plays within 15 minutes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/24346/panthers-need-to-turn-newton-loose

 

[solorca]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

So, where are these fans? I've not run across any and they aren't on talk radio around here. The general consensus is they want him to start and take his lumps, but they all seem to understand there's going to be A LOT of lumps. There's been a few that call and defend him at all costs, but certainly not the majority. Is it different in other parts of the state? You're in the G'boro area right?

Still haven't found that group described above....maybe the hurricane blew them to our neck of the woods. Will look tomorrow and report back

Same here. Most Panthers fans that I know realize that starting Cam is going to have a lot of headaches involved, but given the team that we have right now, it's the best option for the future.I was personally of the group that wanted the Panthers to go out and get a decent veteran and let Cam sit for at least a year, but obviously the team didn't have that in mind, as evidenced by signing Derek Anderson. With a decent vet, I think this could be a eight win team this year...but with Cam, I think the best case scenario is about six wins. Either way, they aren't making the playoffs...so I guess starting Cam and letting him get a year under his belt is acceptable.

 

[solorca]

I listen to Taylor Zarzour and Marc James on WFNZ out of Charlotte every day. Before the pre-season started, all you could hear was optimistic fans about how Newton was going to save the franchise and people calling in predicting 9 and 10 win seasons. Even Zarzour and James were overly-optimistic, though not as much as the call-in fan base.Now after 3 sub par games, people have revised their expectations. Some have flipped completely, some are just buttoning up. But trust me, they were there.

I have not heard one Panther fan here in NC that predicted a 9 to 10 win season. I think you are extremely blinded by your Clausen love.

Clearly revisionist history. The Newton love-Panthers resurgence talk was at an all time high four weeks ago. People thought 2010 was an anomaly and that they'd return to 2008-2009 form (12-4, 8-8). I heard tons of talk about 8 wins MINIMUM. Then came pre-season...and here we are...no one remembers any of this optimism.

I heard SOME of this, but it certainly wasn't the majority. Even so, the people that were predicting at least eight wins were predicting it mostly based on the Panthers signing back all of their big players. Cam was part of that optimism, but not the largest.Of course there are always homers who think the team will be better than they actually are, and talk radio callers are always the most ridiculous fans ever, but I don't think that the majority of Panthers fans were even HOPING for anything more than 7-8 wins, much less predicting it.

 

[Joe Summer]

In his last preseason outing against Cincinnati, Newton tucked the ball and ran for a 16-yard touchdown. In the past four seasons, NFL quarterbacks have run for touchdowns of 15-plus yards an average of four times a year. Sprow did the math and it comes out to once in about 8,100 plays. Also in that Cincinnati game, Newton had a 26-yard scramble. Last season, NFL quarterbacks combined 17 times to run 25 or more yards. That’s about once every 1,900 plays. Newton made both those plays within 15 minutes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/24346/panthers-need-to-turn-newton-loose

What is the point of this? The other QBs who had TD runs of 15+ yards were guys like Trent Edwards, Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, Colt McCoy, and Jon Kitna. It's a dumb, meaningless stat.

 

[pollardsvision]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

 

[pollardsvision]

He's no Derek Anderson though......

 

[pantherclub]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

 

[BassNBrew]

Cam Newton pre-season drives starting beyond the Panther 20 yard line.

game one - 2 scores, 2 punts, one Goodson fumble - 2 of 4

game two - 0 scores, 3 punts, one time expired - 0 of 3

game three - 3 scores, 0 punts - 3 of 3

game four - 1 score, 0 punts - 1 of 1

6 of 11 drives starting beyond the 20 yard line that came to conclusion (excluding Goodson's fumble) resulted in a score. It may not look pretty, but I'd have to say that exceeded my expectations coming into the pre-season.

 

[pollardsvision]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

He certainly had his issues. That pass down the sideline to Shockey while getting sacked should've been intercepted too (though it was clearly interference). Either way, that and the first pass were very risky throws.I thought he looked pretty good otherwise though (well, besides the miscommunication with Smith at GL). Seemed confident against a good, albeit preseason, defense, used his athleticism to keep the drive going, and made a couple of good throws. No idea what he'll do this season, but I'm not completely convinced he'll suck this year (though I am snapping up the AZ defense in every league for W1).

 

[BassNBrew]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

When you have a cannon like that you can make those throws as long as the WRs don't tip it. You guys have been busting on him about his accuracy and both that throw and the one while he was being tackled were dead on the money. I'll take the Cats and 14.5 next week if you would like to make a small wager. $5 ???

 

[pantherclub]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

When you have a cannon like that you can make those throws as long as the WRs don't tip it. You guys have been busting on him about his accuracy and both that throw and the one while he was being tackled were dead on the money. I'll take the Cats and 14.5 next week if you would like to make a small wager. $5 ???

I dont bet on my teams. But its probably still a good bet for me. I will do a sig bet or something, just not money.Personally I dont like to see my qb's throwing basically from their knees as they are getting sacked. It rarely ends up with a positive play no matter how strong the guy is. As I have said at least 5 times know, I am just utterly amazed that the #1 pick of the NFL draft is this much of a project. Riveria must either be ######ed or have balls of stone because this is basically his one and only chance at being a coach and he laid his fate with Newton. You would think with Jamarcus still fresh on our memories that teams would shy away from the freak athlete project qb for a while. At best, at very very best in a perfect world, Cam is a 4rth round pick that doesnt see the field for 2 years.

 

[BassNBrew]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

When you have a cannon like that you can make those throws as long as the WRs don't tip it. You guys have been busting on him about his accuracy and both that throw and the one while he was being tackled were dead on the money. I'll take the Cats and 14.5 next week if you would like to make a small wager. $5 ???

I dont bet on my teams. But its probably still a good bet for me. I will do a sig bet or something, just not money.Personally I dont like to see my qb's throwing basically from their knees as they are getting sacked. It rarely ends up with a positive play no matter how strong the guy is. As I have said at least 5 times know, I am just utterly amazed that the #1 pick of the NFL draft is this much of a project. Riveria must either be ######ed or have balls of stone because this is basically his one and only chance at being a coach and he laid his fate with Newton. You would think with Jamarcus still fresh on our memories that teams would shy away from the freak athlete project qb for a while. At best, at very very best in a perfect world, Cam is a 4rth round pick that doesnt see the field for 2 years.

Yet this project is converting on greater than 50% of his drives beyond the 20 yard line. Does that mean when he developes a little bit that we could see that conversion rate go up to 75%?What are the terms for the sig bet and how long would we have to carry it?edit to add...

I dont bet on my teams.

Well duh...you're a State fan.

 

[thehornet]

Cam looked pretty good on that first drive.

Sortof, not really. His mechanics are still garbage and it probably should have been an int on his first pass. He still refuses to look at his wideouts. Its going to be a long year for us Cat fans. AZ by 15 next week. I have never been a fan of "running" qb's. It seems that sooner or later they take a wicked shot and thats that. A la Culpeper vs Carolina, Randall vs Wash etc...

When you have a cannon like that you can make those throws as long as the WRs don't tip it. You guys have been busting on him about his accuracy and both that throw and the one while he was being tackled were dead on the money. I'll take the Cats and 14.5 next week if you would like to make a small wager. $5 ???

I dont bet on my teams. But its probably still a good bet for me. I will do a sig bet or something, just not money.Personally I dont like to see my qb's throwing basically from their knees as they are getting sacked. It rarely ends up with a positive play no matter how strong the guy is. As I have said at least 5 times know, I am just utterly amazed that the #1 pick of the NFL draft is this much of a project. Riveria must either be ######ed or have balls of stone because this is basically his one and only chance at being a coach and he laid his fate with Newton. You would think with Jamarcus still fresh on our memories that teams would shy away from the freak athlete project qb for a while. At best, at very very best in a perfect world, Cam is a 4rth round pick that doesnt see the field for 2 years.

Russell wasn't an athletic freak. He was an emormous QB. There's a difference and he turned out to be a lazy fu** with a cannon arm. Cam is an athletic nightmare for the opposition who wants to succeed and has an incredible work ethic by most reports.

 

[pantherclub]

You can make stats prove any point you are trying to make. I am just telling you what my eyes see with Newton and its not pretty. Simply put, and feel free to correct me if you can, qb's with bad mechanics, that have trouble reading defenses and have a history of inaccuracy rarely turn it around to become average qb's. You are keep hyping the 20 yard line stat but its really not relevant at all. Such a small sample size to start with and its only for 2 td's. But I hear you man, you are just like me a big Panther fan and looking for any positives. I get that. I hope I am wrong but history pretty much says I am not. He should be riding the bench for at least this year. People keep saying he is not jemarcus but Russell did the same thing his rookie year, threw off his back foot, never threw to his wideouts, tried to use his muscle and size to get him out of trouble.

Sig bet for the first 4 weeks of the NFL season.

 

[thehornet]

You can make stats prove any point you are trying to make. I am just telling you what my eyes see with Newton and its not pretty. Simply put, and feel free to correct me if you can, qb's with bad mechanics, that have trouble reading defenses and have a history of inaccuracy rarely turn it around to become average qb's. You are keep hyping the 20 yard line stat but its really not relevant at all. Such a small sample size to start with and its only for 2 td's. But I hear you man, you are just like me a big Panther fan and looking for any positives. I get that. I hope I am wrong but history pretty much says I am not. He should be riding the bench for at least this year. People keep saying he is not jemarcus but Russell did the same thing his rookie year, threw off his back foot, never threw to his wideouts, tried to use his muscle and size to get him out of trouble. Sig bet for the first 4 weeks of the NFL season.

he was pretty darn accurate last year. And don't even try to argue that you were talking about what we have seen in preseason because you stated above that its been too small of a sample size to judge.

 

[pantherclub]

You can make stats prove any point you are trying to make. I am just telling you what my eyes see with Newton and its not pretty. Simply put, and feel free to correct me if you can, qb's with bad mechanics, that have trouble reading defenses and have a history of inaccuracy rarely turn it around to become average qb's. You are keep hyping the 20 yard line stat but its really not relevant at all. Such a small sample size to start with and its only for 2 td's. But I hear you man, you are just like me a big Panther fan and looking for any positives. I get that. I hope I am wrong but history pretty much says I am not. He should be riding the bench for at least this year. People keep saying he is not jemarcus but Russell did the same thing his rookie year, threw off his back foot, never threw to his wideouts, tried to use his muscle and size to get him out of trouble. Sig bet for the first 4 weeks of the NFL season.

he was pretty darn accurate last year. And don't even try to argue that you were talking about what we have seen in preseason because you stated above that its been too small of a sample size to judge.

okay man, you are right and I am wrong. Cam doesnt have bad mechanics and is not historically inaccurate with his passes. Sorry to trouble you.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sig bet for the first 4 weeks of the NFL season.

Seriously, how about $2. I don't see the sig bet working because Cam could suck and I could still win. Making you carry a sig about how you were wrong and he's the second coming if the Cats get a back door cover to lose by 14 after he throws 2 ints wouldn't make since.I guess I could go with this for your sig...I was wrong and BassNBrew was right. I should have known my place and inferiority as an NCState fan and not questioned his superior football knowledge. (and if the Cats somehow mange to win) I vow to burn all my worthless NCState gear and buy a Cam Newton jersey for each day of the week if they finish with 8 or more wins.

 

[bigunreal]

Cam Newton is the most overhyped QB of all time. One season of productive college play, combined with a ton of off the field issues, don't add up to NFL success, imho. So far this preseason, he has been abysmal at throwing anything other than the most simple passes. With his alleged "cannon arm," one would think he should be able to hit his WRs once in a while. How about a long completion or two?

It's laughable the way ESPN is now attempting to use the most esoteric stats imaginable in order to transform Newton's horrendous preseason performance into something positive. What is this absurd "only four QBs have scrambled for more than 15 yards nonsense?" Has such a ridiculous (and probably not even accurate) statistic ever been used to justify the "greatness" of any other NFL player? What makes the media's agenda clear is the fact that fellow rookie QB Jake Locker, on the same night ESPN, Rotoworld, etc. is trying to hype up Newton's completely pedestrian 26 yard scramble, ran for a 22 yard TD. That's 6 yards longer than Newton's "unbelievable" TD run last week. Funny, I didn't catch a single media mention of how "memorable" Locker's run was.

From Trent Dilfer's gay outburst over Newton's totally run of the mill predraft workout to the constant media prediction that this arrogant diva "must be" the #1 draft pick to Warren Moon's racial hucksterism in basically demanding Newton be the #1 pick (and recent demands that he be the opening day starter), no player has been so over promoted by so many powerful forces in the history of sports. When you compare Newton's mediocre preseason efforts to Tim Tebow's 113 QB rating, amidst a clear cut media campaign to end his chances of being a starting NFL QB, even the drunkest fan ought to understand just how "unbiased" these "journalists" are.

With the ecstatic hysteria over Newton's 16 yard TD run, and his 26 yard scramble the next game, can one imagine what the media's reaction would be if, in his first NFL start, he rambled through an entire defense for a 40 yard TD run? I think it might be just a bit different than the reaction an actual NFL rookie QB received when he did just that, last season. You know who he is- the guy Merrill Hoge, Boomer Esiason and everyone else who ever worked at ESPN and the NFL Network keep telling us "can't play" in the NFL.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Cam Newton is the most overhyped QB of all time. One season of productive college play, combined with a ton of off the field issues, don't add up to NFL success, imho. So far this preseason, he has been abysmal at throwing anything other than the most simple passes. With his alleged "cannon arm," one would think he should be able to hit his WRs once in a while. How about a long completion or two? It's laughable the way ESPN is now attempting to use the most esoteric stats imaginable in order to transform Newton's horrendous preseason performance into something positive. What is this absurd "only four QBs have scrambled for more than 15 yards nonsense?" Has such a ridiculous (and probably not even accurate) statistic ever been used to justify the "greatness" of any other NFL player? What makes the media's agenda clear is the fact that fellow rookie QB Jake Locker, on the same night ESPN, Rotoworld, etc. is trying to hype up Newton's completely pedestrian 26 yard scramble, ran for a 22 yard TD. That's 6 yards longer than Newton's "unbelievable" TD run last week. Funny, I didn't catch a single media mention of how "memorable" Locker's run was. From Trent Dilfer's gay outburst over Newton's totally run of the mill predraft workout to the constant media prediction that this arrogant diva "must be" the #1 draft pick to Warren Moon's racial hucksterism in basically demanding Newton be the #1 pick (and recent demands that he be the opening day starter), no player has been so over promoted by so many powerful forces in the history of sports. When you compare Newton's mediocre preseason efforts to Tim Tebow's 113 QB rating, amidst a clear cut media campaign to end his chances of being a starting NFL QB, even the drunkest fan ought to understand just how "unbiased" these "journalists" are. With the ecstatic hysteria over Newton's 16 yard TD run, and his 26 yard scramble the next game, can one imagine what the media's reaction would be if, in his first NFL start, he rambled through an entire defense for a 40 yard TD run? I think it might be just a bit different than the reaction an actual NFL rookie QB received when he did just that, last season. You know who he is- the guy Merrill Hoge, Boomer Esiason and everyone else who ever worked at ESPN and the NFL Network keep telling us "can't play" in the NFL.

Is Ron Rivera in on the conspiracy as well?

 

[FDC]

What is the point of this? The other QBs who had TD runs of 15+ yards were guys like Trent Edwards, Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, Colt McCoy, and Jon Kitna. It's a dumb, meaningless stat.

Dumb, meaningless? In the sense of real NFL 'value'? Of courseFantasy irrelevant? Not to meI'll say this again, we are a year removed from Tim Tebow being the #1 scoring quarterback the last 3 weeks of the season. We are a year removed from Vick averaging 5 full points better than the 2nd place guy in per game standard scoring. Small samples? You bet. But we are talking about a no risk shoot for the fences type of play here. Another small sample from last night:Cam in 1 drive:2 rushes 19 yards3/5 25 yards passing 1 pass TDYep, in a 25yard per point scoring format thats roughly equivalent to a 75 yard TD pass

 

[omally]

I should have known my place and inferiority as an NCState fan and not questioned his superior football knowledge. (and if the Cats somehow mange to win) I vow to burn all my worthless NCState gear and buy a Cam Newton jersey for each day of the week if they finish with 8 or more wins.

panthercub probably doesn't own any NC State gear. The dude never has anything good to say when it comes to NC State, just like you.

 

[BassNBrew]

I should have known my place and inferiority as an NCState fan and not questioned his superior football knowledge. (and if the Cats somehow mange to win) I vow to burn all my worthless NCState gear and buy a Cam Newton jersey for each day of the week if they finish with 8 or more wins.

panthercub probably doesn't own any NC State gear. The dude never has anything good to say when it comes to NC State, just like you.

As a Panther fan, I understand where you're coming from.

 

[BassNBrew]

Cam was named the opening day starter which I'm sure comes as no surprise. Anderson will be the back up, Jimmy the 3rd string QB.

Congrats to Cam on the accomplishment. I do feel sorry for Jimmy. He may suck, but he also got dealt some bad cards.

 

[tim_whatley]

I think Cam has a good chance of being a decent fantasy QB for those of you who can start 2 QBs. He has moved the ball OK at times and with his rushing threat should be a good bet for 10+ points most weeks. That's pretty consistent production for a flex position, at least compared to a RB3 or WR4 in larger leagues.

 

[omally]

I should have known my place and inferiority as an NCState fan and not questioned his superior football knowledge. (and if the Cats somehow mange to win) I vow to burn all my worthless NCState gear and buy a Cam Newton jersey for each day of the week if they finish with 8 or more wins.

panthercub probably doesn't own any NC State gear. The dude never has anything good to say when it comes to NC State, just like you.

As a Panther fan, I understand where you're coming from.

As a Panther and NC State fan, having to read his usual melodramatic doomsday negativity is not enjoyable.

 

[dgr81]

took newton in the last round of my draft as a bye week fill in for my starter.

if the coaches let him rely on his running abilities, as a fantasy qb he could provide a great roi.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'm very surprised that Anderson was named the #2. He wasn't getting any touches in the preseason and I thought there was a chance he could get cut.

Clausen must really, really suck.

 

[Stealthycat]

I cannot wait to post after Cam's 1st NFL game next weekend.

My guess?

9 completions, 24 pass attempts, 0 TD's, 2 INT's 7 rushes for 27 yards and 0 TD's

At the end of his first NFL game Cam will look like this

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zM-D8lp65LQ/SyGrWX8INaI/AAAAAAAABpQ/jg4RJtfuJBc/s400/DeerInHeadlights.jpg