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Can LJ go for 2500 yds? (2 Viewers)

Good posting, Jerk! :thumbup:
Thanks, and I want to add that I don't see KC's defense improving to the extent that Indy's did in 2005. Even if it did, I believe the rushing totals are less likely to decrease due to better defense.In case it wasn't clear from my data, I believe that barring injury, LJ will be less likely to see a significant decrease in his numbers in 2006 (like Peyton in 2005). And even if his numbers have a Manning-esque decline, people selecting him will somehow have to be content with the 1900 yards and 19 TDs listed in my original post (#48).

 
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Good posting, Jerk! :thumbup:
Thanks, and I want to add that I don't see KC's defense improving to the extent that Indy's did in 2005. Even if it did, I believe the rushing totals are less likely to decrease due to better defense.In case it wasn't clear from my data, I believe that barring injury, LJ will be less likely to see a significant decrease in his numbers in 2006 (like Peyton in 2005). And even if his numbers have a Manning-esque decline, people selecting him will somehow have to be content with the 1900 yards and 19 TDs listed in my original post (#48).
Your analysis assumes that it is appropriate to scale up LJ's last 8 games to 16 games before applying a decline. That has proven to be a bad assumption over the years, and IMO makes your analysis flawed.I do agree that LJ will likely perform well. But to say that if he suffers a large decline his owners must "settle" for 1900/19 is implying a floor that is much too high.

 
Good posting, Jerk! :thumbup:
Thanks, and I want to add that I don't see KC's defense improving to the extent that Indy's did in 2005. Even if it did, I believe the rushing totals are less likely to decrease due to better defense.In case it wasn't clear from my data, I believe that barring injury, LJ will be less likely to see a significant decrease in his numbers in 2006 (like Peyton in 2005). And even if his numbers have a Manning-esque decline, people selecting him will somehow have to be content with the 1900 yards and 19 TDs listed in my original post (#48).
Your analysis assumes that it is appropriate to scale up LJ's last 8 games to 16 games before applying a decline. That has proven to be a bad assumption over the years, and IMO makes your analysis flawed.I do agree that LJ will likely perform well. But to say that if he suffers a large decline his owners must "settle" for 1900/19 is implying a floor that is much too high.
It's not implying a floor too high at all. He's runnin behind the best football line in the business. The entire team is as hungry as ever for a championship, and there still aren't any receiving targets out there.I think 2000/20 is actually reasonable.

Maybe this has nothing to do with anything, but here are Jim Brown's scaled numbers over a 16 game season...

1256 12TD

2036 23TD

1772 19TD

1676 12TD

1609 9TD

1138 15TD

2129 14TD

1653 8TD

1765 19TD

15034, 131TD in 9 seasons

That's an average of 1670 15TD a year.

Man he was good.....

You know, if you throw in his adjusted receiving numbers for his career (3059 25TD)...

He averaged 2010 18TD combined yardage for his career. Man holy ####...

 
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It's not implying a floor too high at all. He's runnin behind the best football line in the business. The entire team is as hungry as ever for a championship, and there still aren't any receiving targets out there.
There aren't any receiving targets? Kansas City's passing yardage has been #4, #3, and #5 in the NFL over the past three years. In 2004 they were one of a handful of teams in NFL history to have two 1000-yard receivers, and in 2005 they were only 95 yards away from repeating that feat. KC has too good a passing offense for any RB to get 2000 rushing yards, unless something happens to the passing offense.

Edit to add: 2000 rushing yards. 2000 total yards is realistic.

 
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Good posting, Jerk! :thumbup:
Thanks, and I want to add that I don't see KC's defense improving to the extent that Indy's did in 2005. Even if it did, I believe the rushing totals are less likely to decrease due to better defense.In case it wasn't clear from my data, I believe that barring injury, LJ will be less likely to see a significant decrease in his numbers in 2006 (like Peyton in 2005). And even if his numbers have a Manning-esque decline, people selecting him will somehow have to be content with the 1900 yards and 19 TDs listed in my original post (#48).
Your analysis assumes that it is appropriate to scale up LJ's last 8 games to 16 games before applying a decline. That has proven to be a bad assumption over the years, and IMO makes your analysis flawed.I do agree that LJ will likely perform well. But to say that if he suffers a large decline his owners must "settle" for 1900/19 is implying a floor that is much too high.
It's not implying a floor too high at all. He's runnin behind the best football line in the business. The entire team is as hungry as ever for a championship, and there still aren't any receiving targets out there.I think 2000/20 is actually reasonable.

Maybe this has nothing to do with anything, but here are Jim Brown's scaled numbers over a 16 game season...

1256 12TD

2036 23TD

1772 19TD

1676 12TD

1609 9TD

1138 15TD

2129 14TD

1653 8TD

1765 19TD

15034, 131TD in 9 seasons

That's an average of 1670 15TD a year.

Man he was good.....

You know, if you throw in his adjusted receiving numbers for his career (3059 25TD)...

He averaged 2010 18TD combined yardage for his career. Man holy ####...
You know what is really sick? The projections you use were in an era there there was no wide open passing game, so teams could far more easily key on the run.Perhaps even MORE important, the fact that there were significantly less plays per game in Jim Brown's era. If someone has that stat, we can project even FURTHER - the numbers get a little mind boggling.

 
Good posting, Jerk! :thumbup:
Thanks, and I want to add that I don't see KC's defense improving to the extent that Indy's did in 2005. Even if it did, I believe the rushing totals are less likely to decrease due to better defense.In case it wasn't clear from my data, I believe that barring injury, LJ will be less likely to see a significant decrease in his numbers in 2006 (like Peyton in 2005). And even if his numbers have a Manning-esque decline, people selecting him will somehow have to be content with the 1900 yards and 19 TDs listed in my original post (#48).
Your analysis assumes that it is appropriate to scale up LJ's last 8 games to 16 games before applying a decline. That has proven to be a bad assumption over the years, and IMO makes your analysis flawed.I do agree that LJ will likely perform well. But to say that if he suffers a large decline his owners must "settle" for 1900/19 is implying a floor that is much too high.
JWB, I appreciate your response, but you need to read the initial post by Keys Myaths to understand the context of my reply. His initial post compared LJ's 2006 expectations to Peyton's 2005 expectations. He made a pretty good point that very few people expected Peyton's numbers to drop off to the extent that they did this year. I thought it would be interesting to apply a similar decline to LJ's prorated numbers. It is in that context where I implied the "settling" for 1900 yards and 19 TDs. I did not state that as a floor.If you're asking me to define a floor, I would go slightly lower, because I agree with your point that it is not as simple as extrapolating LJ's second half over a full season. And as always, the usual disclaimer about injuries must be made...

For me, I'd feel comfortable taking 80% of his second half numbers, prorated for 16 games. This makes sense to me becuase it reduces his projected season total carries to below 400, still high but definitely achievable. That would put him at roughly 1900 rushing yards, 300 receiving yards and 24 TDs. Now, apply the "Manning 2005 reduction factor" to these numbers, and the end result is 1600 rushing yards, 250 or so receiving yards, 16 total TDs. Personally, I think it less likely that LJ's TD numbers go that low, but this is a floor projection, so only one TD a game is certainly possible.

I would further adjust these numbers based on the offensive line health and Priest Holmes' expected role as the season approaches. However, I think that these projections are extremely conservative, especially for TDs, when you consider two sets of statistics:

1. Holmes' stats over the 15 games he started in 2004-05:

1343 rush + 384 rec = 1727 total yards with 22 total TDs (getting only 2/3 of the work in 7 of those games).

2. LJ's 2005 numbers:

1750 rushing yards (2093 total yards) this year and 21 total TDs despite having only nine starts.

Ultimately, this analysis comes down to which running back do you want to pick first in a draft. If Alexander re-signs with Seattle, I would take him first, no question. He's a proven commodity, with a younger OL that is at least as good as KC's. However, you have to project a decline in his numbers, too, given that Seattle figures to have a more difficult schedule and now has the SB target on their jerseys. Even so, Alexander has the highest floor.

After Alexander, I think it comes down to LJ vs. LT with Edge looking on from the outside. Personally, I'll take LJ if I get that chance. I think LT has the higher floor, but LJ has the higher ceiling. So it ultimately comes down to how you like to draft in the first round: if faced with a choice, do you go with a higher ceiling or a higher floor? That's what makes this game interesting. If we all agreed on the analysis of every player, the draft would be exceedingly boring.

 
Perhaps even MORE important, the fact that there were significantly less plays per game in Jim Brown's era. If someone has that stat, we can project even FURTHER - the numbers get a little mind boggling.
I hadn't realized how many fewer plays there were in a typical game back in those days. In 1961 (a random year in the middle of Brown's career), the Browns and their opponents ran 1267 plays, which works out to 724 plays per team per 16 games. Today a typical team runs right around 1000 plays per 16 games, which is about 35% more than the 1961 Browns.The Browns appear to be a bit below average in this regard. Checking a couple of other random teams, the Giants (a good team) and their opponents averaged 794 plays per team per 16 games. The Redskins (a bad team) and their opponents averaged 797. The Cardinals and their opponents were at 735.

Still, that's a lot of extra plays.

On the other hand, there is no indication that 30% more offensive plays would mean 30% more Jim Brown carries, or even that it would mean any more Jim Brown carries.

Brown averaged 20.0 carries per game during his career, and that is essentially dead on with what great RBs from other eras have averaged. Walter Payton 20.2, Dickerson 20.5, Sanders 20.0.

 
alright guys...i wasnt saying he could do it....i was asking if it was even possible....i think theres a .0001% chance
Did you know that 66.4% of all statistics are made up on that spot?
 
He'd need 500 carries, 30 a game. Not going to happen.

If he did get that many you'd have to put a fork and a spatula in him career wise.

 
He'd need 500 carries, 30 a game. Not going to happen.

If he did get that many you'd have to put a fork and a spatula in him career wise.
fork and a spatula? alright ill admit it he cant do it....how about 2500 ALL PURPOSE yards?
 
Perhaps even MORE important, the fact that there were significantly less plays per game in Jim Brown's era.  If someone has that stat, we can project even FURTHER - the numbers get a little mind boggling.
I hadn't realized how many fewer plays there were in a typical game back in those days. In 1961 (a random year in the middle of Brown's career), the Browns and their opponents ran 1267 plays, which works out to 724 plays per team per 16 games. Today a typical team runs right around 1000 plays per 16 games, which is about 35% more than the 1961 Browns.The Browns appear to be a bit below average in this regard. Checking a couple of other random teams, the Giants (a good team) and their opponents averaged 794 plays per team per 16 games. The Redskins (a bad team) and their opponents averaged 797. The Cardinals and their opponents were at 735.

Still, that's a lot of extra plays.

On the other hand, there is no indication that 30% more offensive plays would mean 30% more Jim Brown carries, or even that it would mean any more Jim Brown carries.

Brown averaged 20.0 carries per game during his career, and that is essentially dead on with what great RBs from other eras have averaged. Walter Payton 20.2, Dickerson 20.5, Sanders 20.0.
The question is this:Considering Jim Brown is considered SO head and shoulders above even the other great backs, and considering the man against boys nature of his dominance, would his 20.0 carries perhaps inch upwards because of the additional plays? I would argue that he was so ahead of his time, that Brown would have been utilized a bit more and would see at least 10% more carries.

This is not figuring receptions into the mix, either. Not sure what effect that would have.

 

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