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Whenever I think of Jauron, all I can remember is him talking about calling plays to set up for the punt, like it was a desirable goal of his team's possession. 
I think Kubiak and Childress were the cream of the crop. I'd have put Rivera just behind them but in front of Linehan. I absolutely agree that it is shocking he may not get a job and that it is clear he won't get one of the good ones.
Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
Rivera coached LBs under a defensive mastermind [Jim Johnson] who admittedly viewed the LB position as least important of the units. He then went to work for Lovie Smith who undoubtedly elicited significant influence on the Bears defense. I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
It all comes down to time spent as a coordinator if you ask me. Rivera has the minimum two year experience level I demand from a head coach. Both of the men you cite do not.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
It all comes down to time spent as a coordinator if you ask me. Rivera has the minimum two year experience level I demand from a head coach. Both of the men you cite do not.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
It's Dan Snyder in disguise.Edit: After the NFL coaching failure which is Spurrier.It all comes down to time spent as a coordinator if you ask me. Rivera has the minimum two year experience level I demand from a head coach. Both of the men you cite do not.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that this was a board limited to the opinion of NFL owners. Everyone, please reveal what team you own.It's Dan Snyder in disguise.It all comes down to time spent as a coordinator if you ask me. Rivera has the minimum two year experience level I demand from a head coach. Both of the men you cite do not.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
I obviously meant the above in the hypothetical situation where I'm in control of who gets hired. That's the way I choose to evaluate coaching changes. If I were in control of the team, would I make the move?
Why would two years be your arbitrary cutoff point?Andy Reid was never a coordinatorIt all comes down to time spent as a coordinator if you ask me. Rivera has the minimum two year experience level I demand from a head coach. Both of the men you cite do not.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
I'm not saying Rivera isn't going to be a good head coach, but how he rates higher than Mangini, who was not only from the Patriots family tree, but was the Browns and Dolphins number 1 choice last year to be their defensive coordinator or Marinelli who has been a mainstay on one of the NFL's best defensive units is beyond me.
It's not an arbitrary cutoff -- it was chosen because it allows the coordinator in question to make the mistakes any person in any job makes his first time around and to be able to learn the lessons that will be learned by correcting those mistakes the second time around. I think that is important.
I knew that about Reid. I love the guy and would hate missing out on him, but I'm fine with missing out on him because I think this policy would benefit this hypothetical team of mine overall. I didn't know that about JDR, and I'm not sure yet whether or not he'd be a huge loss.
That is true. There are also TONS of them who have been good or better. Good and bad, they make up the lion's share of head coaching hires. I'd suggest there is a very good reason for that.
Because Rivera was the 'hot' candidate. Nothing more, nothing less.Why is Ron Rivera better than Mangini or Marinelli or the other hires?
If you hadn't noticed, I was more than capable of answering the question for myself. If I need you to speak for me, I'll call you.
That's an excellent idea. Speaking of the Bills, there is nothing funnier than a Bills fan trying to be critical of the Dolphins interviewing their former HC for an OC job.
why?he was in charge of an offense that just finished the year ranked 29th in the league despite having a pretty similar talent level as the Dolphins.
It's his opinion and Cappy can speak for himself!If you hadn't noticed, I was more than capable of answering the question for myself. If I need you to speak for me, I'll call you.
It's because you kind of have to admit the Bills organization totally blows for that to work at all.
Yeah. So? Saban is doing his due diligence. He hasn't been hired, and nobody knows at this point how serious this is. Even if we forget that MM had considerable success in Pittsburgh, that is enough to make it premature at best to trash-talk Dolphins fans about this.
The question was why I was saying something. He has a right to his exceptionally ill-informed opinion, and I have a right to my own opinion that he was a total jackass to behave in the manner he behaved.It's his opinion and Cappy can speak for himself!If you hadn't noticed, I was more than capable of answering the question for myself. If I need you to speak for me, I'll call you.
It does make me wonder if he spent more time looking ahead to his new life as a HC and not enough time working his job.
1. I was kidding - speaking for someone saying they can speak for themselves.2. Cappy's a homer, but hardly ill-informed.The question was why I was saying something. He has a right to his exceptionally ill-informed opinion, and I have a right to my own opinion that he was a total jackass to behave in the manner he behaved.It's his opinion and Cappy can speak for himself!If you hadn't noticed, I was more than capable of answering the question for myself. If I need you to speak for me, I'll call you.
The question was why I was saying something. He has a right to his exceptionally ill-informed opinion, and I have a right to my own opinion that he was a total jackass to behave in the manner he behaved.It's his opinion and Cappy can speak for himself!If you hadn't noticed, I was more than capable of answering the question for myself. If I need you to speak for me, I'll call you.
I jumped into this thread, read Wood's post, thought he was speaking in general terms and added a post.Trust me, neither I nor anyone else here cares that much what you think. But please, regale us with another rolleyes smilie in this thread. Those are great. 
not really. the guy quit.
it might work out as a good hire. Gregg Williams has done a great job in Washington as the DC after flopping miserably in Buffalo as the HC. But, as a Bills fan I would not really be too worried about facing a Mularkey-coached offense twice a year.
Fair enough.
I'd kind of worry about any of you if you did.
They're sort of a trademark of mine.But please, regale us with another rolleyes smilie in this thread. Those are great.
If he sucks too much to be an OC, it surely has to have been a very bad idea to have hired him as a HC. How does the way things ended in Buffalo have anything to do with that? I'm not following what you're saying.
I think that's a fair statement to make, and I certainly wasn't speaking about your prior statement when I said what I said above. I was actually speaking of comments from totally different places.
Nice. Subtle.
He was certainly ill-informed about my viewpoint, particularly since he indicated that he hadn't even read my comments. That's what I was suggesting he was ill-informed about.
If that's the case, I would certainly offer my apology to the board. It isn't my intent to go farther than is acceptable here. I understand there was a bit of a misunderstanding here, but I do think my description aptly described things in the case where what I thought happened actually happened.
He had a pretty good first year as the head coach but wasn't even in charge of playcalling. He then took over the playcalling early this season and the team had one of their most disappointing seasons in franchise history. If that convinces another team that he'd make a great offensive coordinator, so be it. But, I would think most people would be a little gunshy after what happened to him this year. I never said that he sucks too much to be an OC though. I think it would be a solid hire for Saban...but a clear step down from Linehan.
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I truly believe Mularkey's calling is at head coach at the college level.
I'm not so sure he would be a clear step down. I say it that way because opinion is very mixed on MM and on SL. Today's happenings have divided the Dolphin fan community in ways I have not seen in some time. There doesn't seem to be anything close to a consensus about the possibility of MM coming in to replace SL. The only thing that has close to a consensus is that most Dolphins fans would love to see Martz come in. I'm not among that majority, though I am open to the option.I think a lot has to do with what MM shows up. Is it the guy who self destructed this year or the guy who was thought highly enough of by the Bills to become their HC.
I didn't know that was under dispute.
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I'm not particularly high on Mangini, although I do applaud the Jets for bringing him onboard. A GM has nothing to hide when he hires a 34 [now 35] year old as the new head coach and gives them five years. Obviously they're going for greatness. Bradway can't point back to Mangini's prior successes as a crutch if Mangini fails [i.e., well how would I expect this of him, look what he did as coach of XXX]. I think good head coaches are those who have the maturity to manage and organization. Just because someone is a fantastic position coach [on either side of the ball] doesn't mean that much if they can't be a leader of men, both players and other coaches.
Hey ICON,Could you elaborate on this? What is it, specifically, that makes you think he's not qualified for the Raiders job? Based on the hirings that have already taken place, who else that's actually available [meaning they are taking interviews or open to the process...ergo, no Kirk Ferentz or Bob Petrino, etc...] would you prefer?
I remember hearing him announce games a few years ago and I remeber thinking "what the hell is this guy talking about" every time I heard him. That dosen't necessarily make him a bad coach, but he did not come off very well to me. I also would not want to hire anyone who coaches under Marty Shottenheimer. He is a very good regular season coach but he coaches scared in the playoffs and I would not want anyone that might acquire some of his tendencies. He has also only been a WR coach for a few years currently and I would like someone who might be a little more seasoned or has held a position with more authority. As far as the guys out there (and I can't believe I am going to say this) I would like to see Martz or Fassel.
Thanks, that's good information. As to the Marty-ball fears...while I agree I wouldn't want MARTY to be my coach, he's had some stellar former assistants [when you coach for 30 years in the NFL, you're bound to oversee a LOT of guys].I can understand why you would rather have a veteran guy onboard, but just remember that the Raiders best coach BY FAR in the last 10-15 years was a young buck...aka Grudes.
Yeah, I am starting to wonder why I even care. Even if they do hire a good coach he will either run out of town or traded in a couple seasons like Shanahan and Gruden. And why I care about a coach who has held positions of authority also may not matter since Al is the only authority anyway.
chances of April actually getting the job are probably 1 in a million, but Marv Levy began as a special teams coach so you never know. April has easily been the best assistant hire by the team in awhile.I posted that primarily to illustrate how badly I don't want to see Jauron or Capers take over the team. I'd feel the same way about Mike Martz.Bobby April
