Car Market going forward (2 Viewers)

[matttyl]

the newsletter noted that monthly new car payments now average $915 - in part due to consumers rolling the debt over into the new purchase

Good god people are dumb.

I’d read that the average car payment t is now $750 or so, but that may include all car purchases (both new and used). $915 for new sounds right, but also crazy!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I chose a 36 month loan @.99% my payments are over a G. But I’m only paying $562 in interest. I did not roll any existing debt into my loan.

 

[fatness]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

 

[Cowboysfan8]

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.

Welcome to being old gb. I started a year or so ago. Cannot see my phone without them

 

[fatness]

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.

I liked your negotiating method, just couldn't resist the joke.

 

[culdeus]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

My mortgage payment now is only a few hundred dollars more than my car current car payment.

 

[FarFromHome]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

Not even close to my experience. Been 3 or 4 months since we bought our brand new 2025 Rav4 fully loaded. I took my time. I knew what I wanted. We went to 6 different dealships. Walked out of 3 leaving a lower then sticker price offer. Not even a call back on any. All 6 dealerships were within 100 bucks of each other on price. Zero wiggle. Before I walked away from one dealership , I was informed, not in a sleeezy way, but in a matter of fact way, that this car will be sold by sundown either way. Multiple dealerships and none of them were to concerned about selling them. They knew they would sell. Was your daughters car brand new?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

Not even close to my experience. Been 3 or 4 months since we bought our brand new 2025 Rav4 fully loaded. I took my time. I knew what I wanted. We went to 6 different dealships. Walked out of 3 leaving a lower then sticker price offer. Not even a call back on any. All 6 dealerships were within 100 bucks of each other on price. Zero wiggle. Before I walked away from one dealership , I was informed, not in a sleeezy way, but in a matter of fact way, that this car will be sold by sundown either way. Multiple dealerships and none of them were to concerned about selling them. They knew they would sell. Was your daughters car brand new?

I tend to chase the year prior models that are still sitting on lots so yes/no. 2025s were out but hers was a 2024.

Could be regional too. I’m in the Washington DC area.

I also imagine this doesn’t work on cars that are in super high demand.

I find that Toyota doesn’t play ball. About 10 years ago I told them what I wanted and they came back with a bunch of used trucks and never called me back..

On the flipside, I’m still getting texts from Honda dealers almost a year later.

 

[Terminalxylem]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

Not even close to my experience. Been 3 or 4 months since we bought our brand new 2025 Rav4 fully loaded. I took my time. I knew what I wanted. We went to 6 different dealships. Walked out of 3 leaving a lower then sticker price offer. Not even a call back on any. All 6 dealerships were within 100 bucks of each other on price. Zero wiggle. Before I walked away from one dealership , I was informed, not in a sleeezy way, but in a matter of fact way, that this car will be sold by sundown either way. Multiple dealerships and none of them were to concerned about selling them. They knew they would sell. Was your daughters car brand new?

I tend to chase the year prior models that are still sitting on lots so yes/no. 2025s were out but hers was a 2024.

Could be regional too. I’m in the Washington DC area.

I also imagine this doesn’t work on cars that are in super high demand.

I find that Toyota doesn’t play ball. About 10 years ago I told them what I wanted and they came back with a bunch of used trucks and never called me back..

On the flipside, I’m still getting texts from Honda dealers almost a year later.

Also doesn’t work in geographically isolated places, particularly those in the middle of the Pacific. Less competition, and inventory put the buyer at a disadvantage.

On top of that, multi thousand dollar “market adjustment” fees are tacked on arbitrarily, such that negotiations start high. Good luck getting back to, let alone below MSRP.

Oh well, add it to the “price of paradise” tab.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

Not even close to my experience. Been 3 or 4 months since we bought our brand new 2025 Rav4 fully loaded. I took my time. I knew what I wanted. We went to 6 different dealships. Walked out of 3 leaving a lower then sticker price offer. Not even a call back on any. All 6 dealerships were within 100 bucks of each other on price. Zero wiggle. Before I walked away from one dealership , I was informed, not in a sleeezy way, but in a matter of fact way, that this car will be sold by sundown either way. Multiple dealerships and none of them were to concerned about selling them. They knew they would sell. Was your daughters car brand new?

I tend to chase the year prior models that are still sitting on lots so yes/no. 2025s were out but hers was a 2024.

Could be regional too. I’m in the Washington DC area.

I also imagine this doesn’t work on cars that are in super high demand.

I find that Toyota doesn’t play ball. About 10 years ago I told them what I wanted and they came back with a bunch of used trucks and never called me back..

On the flipside, I’m still getting texts from Honda dealers almost a year later.

Also doesn’t work in geographically isolated places, particularly those in the middle of the Pacific. Less competition, and inventory put the buyer at a disadvantage.

On top of that, multi thousand dollar “market adjustment” fees are tacked on arbitrarily, such that negotiations start high. Good luck getting back to, let alone below MSRP.

Oh well, add it to the “price of paradise” tab.

I imagine buying on the mainland and having it sent over on a boat is cost prohibitive?

 

[Terminalxylem]

If I recall the last car I bought for my daughter was listed at 38,000. I told the dealer that the most I would pay was 31,000. They countered with 33,000.

It stayed like that for a week and only because I was going out of town for a trip I the manager to explain to him that we were $1000 apart.

“Let’s just meet in the middle and I’ll pay the 500 and you pay 500 and get the deal done.”

This math makes my head hurt.

ETA - I think it’s time for me to officially start wearing cheaters. I just can’t see.


lol. Sorry. I’ll fix it. Point was sticker price is. Negotiable and we were a grand apart. I was going out of town and this was the last 2024 in white and was a sport touring.

Had I not cared about white and it wasn’t for my daughter I would have just sat on it and likely gotten my price

Not even close to my experience. Been 3 or 4 months since we bought our brand new 2025 Rav4 fully loaded. I took my time. I knew what I wanted. We went to 6 different dealships. Walked out of 3 leaving a lower then sticker price offer. Not even a call back on any. All 6 dealerships were within 100 bucks of each other on price. Zero wiggle. Before I walked away from one dealership , I was informed, not in a sleeezy way, but in a matter of fact way, that this car will be sold by sundown either way. Multiple dealerships and none of them were to concerned about selling them. They knew they would sell. Was your daughters car brand new?

I tend to chase the year prior models that are still sitting on lots so yes/no. 2025s were out but hers was a 2024.

Could be regional too. I’m in the Washington DC area.

I also imagine this doesn’t work on cars that are in super high demand.

I find that Toyota doesn’t play ball. About 10 years ago I told them what I wanted and they came back with a bunch of used trucks and never called me back..

On the flipside, I’m still getting texts from Honda dealers almost a year later.

Also doesn’t work in geographically isolated places, particularly those in the middle of the Pacific. Less competition, and inventory put the buyer at a disadvantage.

On top of that, multi thousand dollar “market adjustment” fees are tacked on arbitrarily, such that negotiations start high. Good luck getting back to, let alone below MSRP.

Oh well, add it to the “price of paradise” tab.

I imagine buying on the mainland and having it sent over on a boat is cost prohibitive?

I haven’t checked prices in years, but it was a couple grand to ship a car in the early 2000s, IIRC. AI says $1500-3500 now, but there may be other “fees”.

Compounding the problem, Matson, the island’s main shipping company, just announced a moratorium on transporting EVs, due to fire risk.

Assuming someone will ship it, I’ll definitely consider that route with our next vehicle - I’m hoping is the last car I ever purchase. Contemplating Rivian R3, though I’d like to see some better reliability reports before taking that plunge.

 

[MAC_32]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

Ours still is

 

[dkp993]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

Ours still is

JEALOUS. My second (HELOC) is over a 1000.

 

[Major]

You can get a 1967 Blazer for $300k. What a steal!!!

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[MTskibum]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

My current house payment is under 1000 dollars, lol.

 

[culdeus]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

My current house payment is under 1000 dollars, lol.

Well mine is 0 now. #flex

 

[the moops]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

My current house payment is under 1000 dollars, lol.

Well mine is 0 now. #flex

Our car payments are 0. #miniflex

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Is this the point where I mention my first house payment was less than $1000?

My current house payment is under 1000 dollars, lol.

Well mine is 0 now. #flex

Our car payments are 0. #miniflex

The only reason I have one is my money is makin money. #miniflex

 

[The Z Machine]

My 77 year old father is selling his 2007 Toyota truck. It's a V6, no extended cab, no power windows. It's only got 66k miles on it! Some dude drove past, then backed up the street and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's asking $8500 for it. Pretty insane to me that an 18 year old truck with essentially zero features could go for that much. But, I'm sure it extremely reliable and if one is running a business where having an extremely reliable truck is needed, this fits the bill.

This is in SoCal, so no danger of rust or rot. My pops wants to get out form the insurance and registration payments and go down to 1 car for him and his wife.

 

[higgins]

66k miles? He should add about $5000 to his asking price.

 

[comfortably numb]

Bout to jump in and shop around for a 2024 or 2025 Honda Hybrid (Touring or XL)

 

[FarFromHome]

My 77 year old father is selling his 2007 Toyota truck. It's a V6, no extended cab, no power windows. It's only got 66k miles on it! Some dude drove past, then backed up the street and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's asking $8500 for it. Pretty insane to me that an 18 year old truck with essentially zero features could go for that much. But, I'm sure it extremely reliable and if one is running a business where having an extremely reliable truck is needed, this fits the bill.

This is in SoCal, so no danger of rust or rot. My pops wants to get out form the insurance and registration payments and go down to 1 car for him and his wife.

This would have been something I would have definitely taken time to look at a few weeks ago when I was looking at trucks. Luv those old Toyota trucks.

 

[The Z Machine]

My 77 year old father is selling his 2007 Toyota truck. It's a V6, no extended cab, no power windows. It's only got 66k miles on it! Some dude drove past, then backed up the street and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's asking $8500 for it. Pretty insane to me that an 18 year old truck with essentially zero features could go for that much. But, I'm sure it extremely reliable and if one is running a business where having an extremely reliable truck is needed, this fits the bill.

This is in SoCal, so no danger of rust or rot. My pops wants to get out form the insurance and registration payments and go down to 1 car for him and his wife.

This would have been something I would have definitely taken time to look at a few weeks ago when I was looking at trucks. Luv those old Toyota trucks.

I'm pretty sure that they're almost indestructible. Well, except for the cloth seats fading in the SoCal sun and the interior plastic degrading in the SoCal heat. If only he parked the thing under a roof to keep the sun off...

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Bout to jump in and shop around for a 2024 or 2025 Honda Hybrid (Touring or XL)

We have a crv hybrid sport XL. Really liking it so far

 

[Buckna]

My 77 year old father is selling his 2007 Toyota truck. It's a V6, no extended cab, no power windows. It's only got 66k miles on it! Some dude drove past, then backed up the street and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's asking $8500 for it. Pretty insane to me that an 18 year old truck with essentially zero features could go for that much. But, I'm sure it extremely reliable and if one is running a business where having an extremely reliable truck is needed, this fits the bill.

This is in SoCal, so no danger of rust or rot. My pops wants to get out form the insurance and registration payments and go down to 1 car for him and his wife.

I have an '03 extended with 4x4 with over 260k miles, about every other week some random stranger offers to buy it from me. Agree with the other poster, he should be asking for more.

 

[FarFromHome]

Bout to jump in and shop around for a 2024 or 2025 Honda Hybrid (Touring or XL)

We have a crv hybrid sport XL. Really liking it so far

I spent a lot of time test driving 2025 hondas crv and hrv. Hrvs had a smoother look to me. It made my final 3 choices of options. Solid vehicle

 

[CGRdrJoe]

My 77 year old father is selling his 2007 Toyota truck. It's a V6, no extended cab, no power windows. It's only got 66k miles on it! Some dude drove past, then backed up the street and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's asking $8500 for it. Pretty insane to me that an 18 year old truck with essentially zero features could go for that much. But, I'm sure it extremely reliable and if one is running a business where having an extremely reliable truck is needed, this fits the bill.

This is in SoCal, so no danger of rust or rot. My pops wants to get out form the insurance and registration payments and go down to 1 car for him and his wife.

This would have been something I would have definitely taken time to look at a few weeks ago when I was looking at trucks. Luv those old Toyota trucks.

I'm pretty sure that they're almost indestructible. Well, except for the cloth seats fading in the SoCal sun and the interior plastic degrading in the SoCal heat. If only he parked the thing under a roof to keep the sun off...

it's the gas mileage, I'm guessing it gets like 16 mpg? Still a good price, the person buy it?

 

[WVU Alum]

My current daily driver is a 97 Dodge Dakota. Was my Uncle's truck, garage kept, 70,000 miles on it when I bought it from my cousin for $2,500. No damage, runs great. I have had three complete strangers offer to buy it when I was driving it. One at the grocery store, two times at Lowe's. Not selling, but one of the guys kept on it and last offer was $7,500. I was tempted, but my 13 year old daughter has already called dibs for when she is 16.

 

[pollardsvision]

My current daily driver is a 97 Dodge Dakota. Was my Uncle's truck, garage kept, 70,000 miles on it when I bought it from my cousin for $2,500. No damage, runs great. I have had three complete strangers offer to buy it when I was driving it. One at the grocery store, two times at Lowe's. Not selling, but one of the guys kept on it and last offer was $7,500. I was tempted, but my 13 year old daughter has already called dibs for when she is 16.

Beautiful!
Was coming here to post RCR's latest video on the 1st gen Ranger

Any time I start thinking about how I'll almost never own a small, manual truck again, I get some combination of angry and sad.

Every time I see one one in the wild, I want to offer to buy it.......but I don't. Because I know they get it all the time, and I don't want to insult their intelligence. Anybody driving an old, small truck in 2025 isn't stupid enough to sell it.

And congrats on the awesome kid you are raising.

 

[culdeus]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

 

[MTskibum]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

 

[pollardsvision]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

A friend of ours owes 59K on his 3.5 year old truck. Madness

 

[Nugget]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

What type of vehicle are you looking for 10% off? Is this before or after rebates?

 

[Uncle Leo]

Lot of our friends bought Chevy Equinox EV for about $22K OTD. This was the base LT model. It was like 15K off with the incentives. Conquest, Loyalty, and Costco membership credits. Of course 7.5K was the Federal Credit that expired last month.

 

[MTskibum]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

What type of vehicle are you looking for 10% off? Is this before or after rebates?

2025 Honda pilot sport, whatever rebate dealer wants to apply to get me 10% off MSRP with no dealer fees added.

 

[Nugget]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

What type of vehicle are you looking for 10% off? Is this before or after rebates?

2025 Honda pilot sport, whatever rebate dealer wants to apply to get me 10% off MSRP with no dealer fees added.

Looks like a nice vehicle. I don't see anything over a 3K discount in my area, but it looks like they were advertising no fees.

Think the 2026 models will be released soon. If there is a particular color/feature combination you are looking for, it might make sense to get the car you want if it is still close to your budget.

 

[pollardsvision]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

A friend of ours owes 59K on his 3.5 year old truck. Madness

It can't happen, but I wish there was some way, that before buying a car, people would have sit before a council of old men to justify it, and give the old men a chance to explain all the reasons this will go sideways.

 

[Sullie]

2025 Honda pilot sport

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

What type of vehicle are you looking for 10% off? Is this before or after rebates?

2025 Honda pilot sport, whatever rebate dealer wants to apply to get me 10% off MSRP with no dealer fees added.

I did a quick google search, never dealt with this dealership, no affiliation, etc. but I found this 2025 Honda Pilot Sport (black) w/23 miles on it for $39,795 (MSRP $43,795) which is approximately 9.13% off MSRP and I did see a $399 dealership fee of some sort but, to me, this is the starting point in your negotiation process. Good luck!

 

[Nugget]

Honda cuts margins

Looks like they lost 0.5% of margin, plus a $150 fee to the advertising association. Manufacturers are watching Tesla and other direct to consumer models and they don't want to share the profits with the dealers.

 

[Desert_Power]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

A friend of ours owes 59K on his 3.5 year old truck. Madness

It can't happen, but I wish there was some way, that before buying a car, people would have sit before a council of old men to justify it, and give the old men a chance to explain all the reasons this will go sideways.

Maybe we could use that council to find other ways besides personal vehicles to get around. Car companies force bigger cars with more technology in them to pad their margins because most people have no other choice.

 

[stbugs]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

$70k? I thought we were now in the 90-100 level.

 

[stbugs]

Like this: https://www.randymarioncadillac.com...adillac-ESCALADE+IQ-Sport+2-1GYTEFKL4SU103663

They dropped the price of this Escalade so it’s no longer over $150k. SMH, that’s nuts.

 

[Fat Nick]

My current daily driver is a 97 Dodge Dakota. Was my Uncle's truck, garage kept, 70,000 miles on it when I bought it from my cousin for $2,500. No damage, runs great. I have had three complete strangers offer to buy it when I was driving it. One at the grocery store, two times at Lowe's. Not selling, but one of the guys kept on it and last offer was $7,500. I was tempted, but my 13 year old daughter has already called dibs for when she is 16.

So funny coincidence - my parents have '97 Dakota. It's a very odd set of options - It's yellow. It's the sport cab (2 seats, not extended), with the V8 and a manual transmission. It has MAYBE 20,000 miles on it and they've owned it since new. It's basically been used to take the trash to the dump and pick up the random odds and ends at the hardware store car. Otherwise garage kept and in great shape.

They've had people make them offers on it many times - at Lowe's like you, at the dump on multiple occasions, including the guy who worked there, and one guy who flagged them down on the highway apparently. I think part of it is the area they live in - Eastern Shore of MD - and the fact that it's a V8. Makes it a great smaller truck for towing boats. Kind of crazy. If they didn't need it, I'd tell them to sell it!

 

[MTskibum]

I did a quick google search, never dealt with this dealership, no affiliation, etc. but I found this 2025 Honda Pilot Sport (black) w/23 miles on it for $39,795 (MSRP $43,795) which is approximately 9.13% off MSRP and I did see a $399 dealership fee of some sort but, to me, this is the starting point in your negotiation process. Good luck!

Thanks, yeah that proves 10% with no dealer fees will be doable, it just takes a while.

Usually after a few months of emailing a few different dealerships they realize that I won't budge.

That dealership is a couple thousand miles away.

 

[Fat Nick]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

$70k? I thought we were now in the 90-100 level.

This. My 2017 Volvo XC90 is starting to go...check engine light came on last week. Turn signal works sometimes. Memory seats have Alzheimer's. Transmission needs at a minimum a flush/reset.

I'd love to get a smaller SUV, but my wife is insisting 3-row with captain's chairs. I'm a car guy so I like something more interesting than a Honda Pilot...I wish I didn't, but I do...and I won't compromise for "my" car. Everything I've looked at is $80K+, with most of the options I actually like being even more. I did look at the Escalade IQ's that you linked to - man. Super nice. I don't think I can justify the cost, but they're really...really nice.

 

[Nugget]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

Loan term seems low to me. Maybe if you count leasing. Most dealers would show 60-72 months, and many are stretching to 84 month. 5.8 years could be the average.

 

[MTskibum]

Read somewhere the average new car sales price is now over 50k and the average loan term is 58 months.

I don't know why the average vehicle price is that high, we are still trying to buy a 2025 Honda sport AWD, and it has an MSRP of 42k.

The sport model comes with fairly decent options as well. How is the average vehicle price higher than a 3 row AWD SUV. What are people buying.


Edit: this reminds me I need to email the local dealerships again. Been emailing almost monthly asking if they will do 10% off of MSRP. So far I have received 4 months of no's, but I may eventually get a yes.

$70,000 trucks.

$70k? I thought we were now in the 90-100 level.

This. My 2017 Volvo XC90 is starting to go...check engine light came on last week. Turn signal works sometimes. Memory seats have Alzheimer's. Transmission needs at a minimum a flush/reset.

I'd love to get a smaller SUV, but my wife is insisting 3-row with captain's chairs. I'm a car guy so I like something more interesting than a Honda Pilot...I wish I didn't, but I do...and I won't compromise for "my" car. Everything I've looked at is $80K+, with most of the options I actually like being even more. I did look at the Escalade IQ's that you linked to - man. Super nice. I don't think I can justify the cost, but they're really...really nice.

Mazda cx-90 would be my preference, lightly optioned it is about 40k as well.

My wife hates that it only has 2nd row captain seats with the towing package. She wants bench seats for some reason.