Carr available for a 3rd round pick? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins

 

[Donnybrook]

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins

Hey Bri, please feel free to edit my post anyway you see fit. Do you like this better? David Carr is an extraordinary QB and Houston would never have won so many games without him.

 

[Bri]

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins

Hey Bri, please feel free to edit my post anyway you see fit. Do you like this better? David Carr is an extraordinary QB and Houston would never have won so many games without him.

I snipped sure but I didn't change any text. He gave ya some good examples and you asked if he was seriously instrumental. :woosh:Since when are you sensitive?

 

[firecrackerfreakshow]

Kubiak has seen enough, worst part is they could have drafted Vince had they not signed Carr to an extension in the offseason. Carr is what he is and that is around 28th-32nd best qb in the league, plenty of those types every year..

 

[T Man]

Bumped this given the trade of Schaub.

So where does Carr go? What compensation can the Texans expect?

The 1st post indicates they want a 2007 3rd. Since a 2008 2nd is the equivalent, maybe they can make a trade for a coonditional 2nd rounder in 2008. I doubt it.

Trent Green and Carr are the two top QBs on the market. So where does Carr go?

As for teams:

Carolina needs a backup for Delhomme.

Oakland needs a starter.

Minnesota could use QB help (starter or veteran backup)

Miami needs someone in case Culpepper is not a good fit or can't go

Other teams I think should at least consider Carr:

Seattle could use a backup as I don't think Seneca Wallace is really the answer.

St. Louis since Bulger is not the most durable

Green Bay if A. Rogers is traded

Jacksonville -- their QBs are nothing to write home about

Indy -- Carr could thrive as a backup to Manning (no pressure and he can learn)

Cincy -- he could serve as backup to Palmer

 

[Rozelle]

KC and compete for the starting job

 

[KellysHeroes]

I like Minny.. They have the line; the RB; and some young WRs.. and Carr should be given one more chance. The Kids tough.

I bet they could offer that early 4th RDer for him

 

[KellysHeroes]

KC and compete for the starting job

 

[Vikes Fan]

I like Minny.. They have the line; the RB; and some young WRs.. and Carr should be given one more chance. The Kids tough.I bet they could offer that early 4th RDer for him

 

[kensat30]

This guy is another Patrick Ramsey. I think for the most part though it is Carr's fault that he got ruined by the sacks as opposed to Ramsey being ruined by Spurrier's scheme.

Bottomline, Carr has zero fluidity in the pocket and no presence. I think if Houston gets a 6th rounder for Carr, they should count themselves lucky. I swear the only reason Carr stuck around so long in Houston, is that he was every analysts poster boy for a developing QB. Everyone blamed his o-line these past few years, but really it was Carr just bumbling around walking right into D-linemen this entire time.

Carr is done as an NFL starter. Best case scenario, he pulls a Harrington and falls into a starting position this year. Out of the NFL in 3 years.

 

[Exile]

Bumped this given the trade of Schaub.So where does Carr go? What compensation can the Texans expect?The 1st post indicates they want a 2007 3rd. Since a 2008 2nd is the equivalent, maybe they can make a trade for a coonditional 2nd rounder in 2008. I doubt it.

I think the compensation Houston can get just went down since everyone in the league knows they aren't going to keep him after paying so much to get Schaub.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

At this point I'd take almost anything for Carr. I can't remember exactly what his contract looks like, but I believe it's not real cap-friendly. That'll drive whatever value he has down even further...

 

[Rozelle]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.

It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this.

You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston.

WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

 

[NoCheese]

Bumped this given the trade of Schaub.So where does Carr go? What compensation can the Texans expect?The 1st post indicates they want a 2007 3rd. Since a 2008 2nd is the equivalent, maybe they can make a trade for a coonditional 2nd rounder in 2008. I doubt it.

I think the compensation Houston can get just went down since everyone in the league knows they aren't going to keep him after paying so much to get Schaub.

Couldn't agree more. He'll be a LATE round pick, versus a possible mid round pick pre-trade

 

[turkishkamel]

Bumped this given the trade of Schaub.So where does Carr go? What compensation can the Texans expect?The 1st post indicates they want a 2007 3rd. Since a 2008 2nd is the equivalent, maybe they can make a trade for a coonditional 2nd rounder in 2008. I doubt it.

I think the compensation Houston can get just went down since everyone in the league knows they aren't going to keep him after paying so much to get Schaub.

exactly. why pay such a high price for carr, when we know he's gonna get cut down the road

 

[coolnerd]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

 

[Rozelle]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

Do you think he can be fixed?

 

[coolnerd]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

Do you think he can be fixed?

I generally, think that guys who have started 75 games for 5 years (denny green voice) "are what we think they are." Impossible , no. I think the best thing for him is to go to a decent team as a back-up for a year or so. He needs work with a good QB coach and actually watch a good QB prepare and work with an OL.

 

[GregR_2]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

Do you think he can be fixed?

Regardless of how bad he's played, he should still be allowed to have children.

 

[Donnybrook]

I like Minny.. They have the line; the RB; and some young WRs.. and Carr should be given one more chance. The Kids tough.I bet they could offer that early 4th RDer for him

Why give the Texans a fourth.? They might just cut him.

 

[sizzer55]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

 

[pizzatyme]

I'd love to see the Colts offer up a 5th or 6th for him. Let him compete with Sorgi for the backup role. I think he'd be great as insurance for the Colts on the cheap.

Ofcourse, he'd have to redo his contract. Or else the Colts could wait until he's cut.

 

[redman]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

Do you think he can be fixed?

Regardless of how bad he's played, he should still be allowed to have children.

Footwork can be changed, and the QB is the best spot to have a problem like that given that the shelf life of QB's is longer than any other position except for punters and kickers. What he needs is a team willing and able to invest the time and coaching into him to do that. An ideal spot for him might be Detroit, which both has a long term need for a franchise QB and also has an offensive guru in Martz that might invest the time in him. Green Bay wouldn't be bad either, nor would Miami, the Jets, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Baltimore, Chicago, Carolina, Minnesota, St. Louis, or even Seattle.

 

[Rozelle]

I’ve seen a lot of Carr, and at times he has looked very good. Obviously not all that often. Here’s my take on Carr.It’s like a woman who has been in a physically abusive marriage. Anytime you are close to her and make a sudden move, she flinches. It takes some time and trust to get past this. You basically have the same thing with Carr. He overreacts to things that happen around him in the pocket. At times the protection is there he just needs to step up and get rid of the ball, or just simply get rid of the ball sooner. While the o-line is not all that. It is not all the o-line’s poor play either. His shell-shock, if you will, is most likely the cause for his poor decision making. Can it be fixed? That’s the BIG question. But … make no mistake, the kid is talented. His time in Houston ended last year when Young beat them on the final play. Without question, that defining moment, sealed his fate in Houston. WTS … I don’t think Oakland is a good fit. Line not good enough to change his habits.

Someone I know who broke down film said that Carr's footwork changed once he felt pressure a couple of times in the game. His five step drop would at time turn into a four step and a hop or five step with little hitch. This essentially would take away his timing with the WR (why he did not throw well past 10-12 yards downfield) and at the same time make him set-up in a different spot in the pocket.

Do you think he can be fixed?

Regardless of how bad he's played, he should still be allowed to have children.

Not the best way to phrase that ... huh

 

[Rozelle]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

I beleive he is due 5.25 this year and 6 mil in 2008. This will make him very difficult to trade. Not in his best interest to renegotiate, unless he has some kind of a clause in his contract to void trades. Once he is released, he will have control on where he goes.

 

[massraider]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

I beleive he is due 5.25 this year and 6 mil in 2008.

And that's pretty much the end of the story. He's not getting traded. Which is fine with him. He knows he's not seeing that money, so he may as well choose his destination.

 

[redman]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

I beleive he is due 5.25 this year and 6 mil in 2008.

And that's pretty much the end of the story. He's not getting traded. Which is fine with him. He knows he's not seeing that money, so he may as well choose his destination.

Any trade can be made contingent upon a restructuring of his contract. Schaub did that in fact, though it was in order to extend him rather than reduce his cap number. If Carr wants out of Houston bad enough, he'll agree to that.

 

[massraider]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

I beleive he is due 5.25 this year and 6 mil in 2008.

And that's pretty much the end of the story. He's not getting traded. Which is fine with him. He knows he's not seeing that money, so he may as well choose his destination.

Any trade can be made contingent upon a restructuring of his contract. Schaub did that in fact, though it was in order to extend him rather than reduce his cap number. If Carr wants out of Houston bad enough, he'll agree to that.

Yep, but it's going to take a lot of restructuring to move 13 mill around. And does Carr want out that bad? I think it's Houston that wants out from under Carr that bad.

 

[Rozelle]

i think the biggest question right now is, does any team want to pay him 13 million over the next two years?

I beleive he is due 5.25 this year and 6 mil in 2008.

And that's pretty much the end of the story. He's not getting traded. Which is fine with him. He knows he's not seeing that money, so he may as well choose his destination.

Any trade can be made contingent upon a restructuring of his contract. Schaub did that in fact, though it was in order to extend him rather than reduce his cap number. If Carr wants out of Houston bad enough, he'll agree to that.

True, but he will have some say on where he goes. He can choose to restructure if he feels the team interested is a good fit for him