Carson Palmer, anyone else getting the feeling hes done for the yr (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Tommy John injury is rumored, the guy can't practice this week, Swelling in the elbow is never good.... team is taking a total dump this yr.

All signs are pointing to shutting him down at some point this season.

Thoughts

 

[Chachi]

Delhomme has the Tommy John right?

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

Delhomme has the Tommy John right?

last year. and he had the surgery early in the season around this time and he missed the rest of the year.Palmer just got dropped this morning in my money league for Matt Schaub.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Certainly if the Bengals are faced with any sort of choice that has on one side Palmer playing and giving them a better chance to be respectable this year, but risking major elbow damage, there's every incentive for them to shelve Palmer for the year and let him heal. And if it's one of those situations where Palmer can play through the season, but he has to have surgery as soon as its over, again why wouldn't they just chalk up this year and get the surgery done now, so that maybe he can be ready for OTAs, getting all important offseason work with the young WRs...

If John Clayton is to be believed (I know, I know), Palmer can't PRACTICE without risking further damage to his elbow. So how the heck does playing NOT risk even MORE damage, since there are guys that are going to, you know, want to hit him and stuff.

 

[Kiddnets]

Certainly if the Bengals are faced with any sort of choice that has on one side Palmer playing and giving them a better chance to be respectable this year, but risking major elbow damage, there's every incentive for them to shelve Palmer for the year and let him heal. And if it's one of those situations where Palmer can play through the season, but he has to have surgery as soon as its over, again why wouldn't they just chalk up this year and get the surgery done now, so that maybe he can be ready for OTAs, getting all important offseason work with the young WRs...If John Clayton is to be believed (I know, I know), Palmer can't PRACTICE without risking further damage to his elbow. So how the heck does playing NOT risk even MORE damage, since there are guys that are going to, you know, want to hit him and stuff.

Until Palmer is seen throwing a ball I am worried. I knew cincy would be lousy but brought into the fact that they would be throwing from behind. TJ now officially out of the top 10 - next stop out of the top 20? CJ out of the top 20. Perry son to follow - Palmer out of the top 30 - train wreck!

 

[skillz]

I am thinking he is done for the year. Just a gut feeling. If he does need Tommy John they should shut him down now, so he can get the surgery and be fully healthy for training camp. This season is already lost. Get him ready for next year. I think Jake was hurt around this time last year and was able to get back in time for TC and regular season games after getting Tommy John surgery. Bengals should try to get Palmer on the same time table if he does need the surgery.

 

[simey]

I think Jake was hurt around this time last year and was able to get back in time for TC and regular season games after getting Tommy John surgery. Bengals should try to get Palmer on the same time table if he does need the surgery.

Jake got injured in week 3 last year, and then waited a couple weeks to see if his elbow would feel better, it didn't, so he had the tommy john surgery on Oct. 18th. His recover time worked out perfect for him and the Panthers leading into this season.

 

[Road Warriors]

Tommy John injury is rumored, the guy can't practice this week, Swelling in the elbow is never good.... team is taking a total dump this yr.All signs are pointing to shutting him down at some point this season.Thoughts

I'm still holding him, waiting for confirmation, but I'm actively pursuing better options. I think you've got it nailed here. I doubt we see him behind center again in '08.

 

[valhallan]

I think Jake was hurt around this time last year and was able to get back in time for TC and regular season games after getting Tommy John surgery. Bengals should try to get Palmer on the same time table if he does need the surgery.

Jake got injured in week 3 last year, and then waited a couple weeks to see if his elbow would feel better, it didn't, so he had the tommy john surgery on Oct. 18th. His recover time worked out perfect for him and the Panthers leading into this season.

Ugh.. this is not preferable

 

[BigJim®]

I just want the truth on this situation and I can't understand how what happened last week fits into the NFL rules on injury reporting. How the NFL Network can report that an MRI revealed no structural damaged while an ESPN reported indicated "further" damage will result from practice, and Tommy John rumors are rampant, makes me very skeptical that people are following the injury reporting rules. If Palmer is put on the shelf, I don't see how anyone can say the Bengals did not manipulate the reports by never once listing him as doubtful.

 

[Raider Nation]

I can't even get inspired enough to bid the $1 minimum on Ryan Fitzpatrick.

He looked terrible last week. As in "Jonathan Quinn" terrible...

 

[24seven]

I can't even get inspired enough to bid the $1 minimum on Ryan Fitzpatrick.He looked terrible last week. As in "Jonathan Quinn" terrible...

preach on brother. i know the feeling

 

[KellysHeroes]

If/when they go 0 - 6... whats the point of continuing? Shut him down...

then what about 85, he needs his an operation to.... what would prevent them from telling Chad to end his season early. Hes so into his stats that he would probably go out and play every game until hes just fed up...

 

[BigJim®]

I can't even get inspired enough to bid the $1 minimum on Ryan Fitzpatrick.He looked terrible last week. As in "Jonathan Quinn" terrible...

I've wavered in spite of Fitzpatric's performance vs. Cleveland and the putrid appearance of the Bengals so far. I actually hope I can get him for the minimum bid as a result of that game because I will be SOL if Palmer is shelved and there are scarce alternatives in week 4 of a FF season. I just can't overlook a guy who will almost always be playing from behind and who will be throwing tho CJ/TJ/Henry the rest of the year if Palmer goes down for the count.

 

[CrossEyed]

I can't even get inspired enough to bid the $1 minimum on Ryan Fitzpatrick.He looked terrible last week. As in "Jonathan Quinn" terrible...

preach on brother. i know the feeling

In fairness to Fitzpatrick, he really didn't get many reps in practice last week, did he?

 

[shims3]

Is Palmer being dropped in most of your leagues? I have seen him on the wire and wondering if people are just overreacting.

Not sure what to think of it.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Marvin Lewis' job is on the line. He's not thinking about what's best for next year.

 

[KingEl]

Just read a report on Sporting News that Palmer was in helmet and pads, throwing on the sidelines at practice but only 10yds distance....

Sounds like rehab work to me..

 

[Captain Hook]

Bengals Injury Update; QB Palmer Tosses On The Side

Bengals.com - [Full Article]

Bengals QB Carson Palmer did not participate in passing drills Thursday morning with the rest of the team. He was in pads with his helmet on, but watched QBs Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jordan Palmer from the sidelines. Palmer threw at a distance of about 10 yards with Nick Cosgray, a member of the Bengals training staff. Also LB Dhani Jones (foot) practiced today while CB Johnathan Joseph (ankle) was back working with the DBs after working on the side Wednesday. RB Chris Perry (hamstring) and DT Domata Peko (hand) were able to practice after being limited on Wednesday. RB Kenny Watson (hamstring) did not participate in the early part of Thursday's practice and was not dressed

 

[KellysHeroes]

Marvin Lewis' job is on the line. He's not thinking about what's best for next year.

I think we have learned that Marvin has no say about the management of the team... none.

 

[davearm]

Certainly if the Bengals are faced with any sort of choice that has on one side Palmer playing and giving them a better chance to be respectable this year, but risking major elbow damage, there's every incentive for them to shelve Palmer for the year and let him heal. And if it's one of those situations where Palmer can play through the season, but he has to have surgery as soon as its over, again why wouldn't they just chalk up this year and get the surgery done now, so that maybe he can be ready for OTAs, getting all important offseason work with the young WRs...If John Clayton is to be believed (I know, I know), Palmer can't PRACTICE without risking further damage to his elbow. So how the heck does playing NOT risk even MORE damage, since there are guys that are going to, you know, want to hit him and stuff.

If the reports are accurate about there being damage to Palmer's ulnar collateral ligament (the ligament they replace with Tommy John surgery), then the risk from being hit is pretty inconsequential as compared to the risk from throwing a football. What we're talking about here is purely a result of the repetitive stress of throwing.Put it this way -- I've never heard of a QB blowing out his elbow on a nasty hit.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Certainly if the Bengals are faced with any sort of choice that has on one side Palmer playing and giving them a better chance to be respectable this year, but risking major elbow damage, there's every incentive for them to shelve Palmer for the year and let him heal. And if it's one of those situations where Palmer can play through the season, but he has to have surgery as soon as its over, again why wouldn't they just chalk up this year and get the surgery done now, so that maybe he can be ready for OTAs, getting all important offseason work with the young WRs...If John Clayton is to be believed (I know, I know), Palmer can't PRACTICE without risking further damage to his elbow. So how the heck does playing NOT risk even MORE damage, since there are guys that are going to, you know, want to hit him and stuff.

If the reports are accurate about there being damage to Palmer's ulnar collateral ligament (the ligament they replace with Tommy John surgery), then the risk from being hit is pretty inconsequential as compared to the risk from throwing a football. What we're talking about here is purely a result of the repetitive stress of throwing.Put it this way -- I've never heard of a QB blowing out his elbow on a nasty hit.

Wasn't the damage originally done on a play where he was hit when he was throwing? If UCL is in the kind of a shape that throwing a ball a few dozen or hundred times might cause further damage, then I would think any kind of hit that interrupts his throwing motion will do the same or worse .

 

[Northern Voice]

Bengals.com

'All systems go'

10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

 

[GoBlueWolverine]

Bengals.com'All systems go'10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

Where are all the Tommy John doom-and-gloomers now?

 

[timoleander]

Bengals.com'All systems go'10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

Where are all the Tommy John doom-and-gloomers now?

If he feels a "pop" during the game, they might be back here in force (not that I'm trying to jinx anything).

 

[Wooderson]

Conflicting John Clayton's earlier report, the Bengals website reports that Carson Palmer should be ready to go on Sunday in Dallas. Coach Marvin Lewis said Palmer threw for all the routes, whether they were short, long or intermediate. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." He was listed as questionable in Friday's injury report.

Our View

Palmer has maintained all week that he will be ready to go this Sunday and it appears that he is going to get the start. He should get plenty of work as the Bengals figure to be playing catch up most of the day.

 

[GoBlueWolverine]

Bengals.com'All systems go'10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

Where are all the Tommy John doom-and-gloomers now?

If he feels a "pop" during the game, they might be back here in force (not that I'm trying to jinx anything).

I picked up Garrard in a trade just in case, but here's to hoping Palmer is ok.

 

[blake]

wow, what a weird change of events. i'm still extremely skeptical, and someone just released derek anderson in my league. i'm not thinking of picking him up, but it wouldn't be bad to stash him just in case, though anderson has been no prize either this season. so i am definitely contemplating. i feel like my wheels are stuck in the mud waiting for some definitive word on palmer.

 

[Wooderson]

Is he a go for this week?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bengals.com'All systems go'10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

Where are all the Tommy John doom-and-gloomers now?

If he feels a "pop" during the game, they might be back here in force (not that I'm trying to jinx anything).

Its good that hes playing this week, I don't want him to be injury... I'm not wishing that on anyone.. but theres been swelling in his elbow for over a week now; something is wrong w/ him... the guy has guts to try to go back out; I believe he will be shutdown at some point this mid-season.I already have a palmer owner in one league trying to dump him to me for DeSean / 2009 1st... ofcourse I rejected in a heartbeat, the stock is only going to get lower.

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

Bengals.com'All systems go'10-3-08, 1:15 p.m. Carson Palmer threw during practice Friday and barring a setback Saturday morning, Marvin Lewis said "all systems are go" if his right elbow continues to respond. "He did well. We'll see how he is in the morning," Lewis said. "If things continue as they have, I think all systems are go." And it sounds like Palmer will have Chris Henry at his disposal. The Bengals have yet to make a roster move, but Lewis said, "He's had a good week of practice."

Where are all the Tommy John doom-and-gloomers now?

If he feels a "pop" during the game, they might be back here in force (not that I'm trying to jinx anything).

Its good that hes playing this week, I don't want him to be injury... I'm not wishing that on anyone.. but theres been swelling in his elbow for over a week now; something is wrong w/ him... the guy has guts to try to go back out; I believe he will be shutdown at some point this mid-season.I already have a palmer owner in one league trying to dump him to me for DeSean / 2009 1st... ofcourse I rejected in a heartbeat, the stock is only going to get lower.

I don't like Palmer fantasywise; had him the last two years and he was just inconsistent and last year's production was deceiving b/c of that first browns game. But the owner in my league dumped him and i dropped J.T. O'Sullivan to scoop him up off waivers.My other QB is Delhomme, so hopefully by the bye week Palmer will be healthy and clicking on the passing game now that Chris Henry is back. We'll see though....low risk/high reward IMO.

 

[Sabertooth]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?"

Pretty weak.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

You've been around the SP forever, and you've probably seen dozens & dozens of Kellysheroes posts. Why are you surprised?

 

[Sabertooth]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

You've been around the SP forever, and you've probably seen dozens & dozens of Kellysheroes posts. Why are you surprised?

Not surprised. I guess his name never registered before. I'll stick him on ignore with H.K.

 

[blenderfrog]

I don't really remember, but isn't this rumor situation close to the Eli Manning injury last year? Was it his throwing elbow?

 

[Kiddnets]

The OP was not out on a limb by himself - this was the chatter all week coming out of Cincy - same thing happened last year when Eli was supposedly out for the year - remember Mort - he characterized it as a rumor - dont see what the problem is.....up to each person to decide if the rumor is legit or not,

 

[oddball]

Tommy John injury is rumored, the guy can't practice this week, Swelling in the elbow is never good.... team is taking a total dump this yr.All signs are pointing to shutting him down at some point this season.Thoughts

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

 

[blenderfrog]

The OP was not out on a limb by himself - this was the chatter all week coming out of Cincy - same thing happened last year when Eli was supposedly out for the year - remember Mort - he characterized it as a rumor - dont see what the problem is.....up to each person to decide if the rumor is legit or not,

you sir are a genius!

 

[rock753]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

You've been around the SP forever, and you've probably seen dozens & dozens of Kellysheroes posts. Why are you surprised?

Not surprised. I guess his name never registered before. I'll stick him on ignore with H.K.

Still feel that he is off the mark?

 

[blake]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

You've been around the SP forever, and you've probably seen dozens & dozens of Kellysheroes posts. Why are you surprised?

Not surprised. I guess his name never registered before. I'll stick him on ignore with H.K.

Still feel that he is off the mark?

 

[3C's]

John Czarnecki of foxsports:

The big news is that Carson Palmer and his tender throwing elbow is sitting this one out, and you have to wonder if the Bengals keep losing will they opt to sit Palmer permanently rather than risk further damage?

 

[Sabertooth]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

You've been around the SP forever, and you've probably seen dozens & dozens of Kellysheroes posts. Why are you surprised?

Not surprised. I guess his name never registered before. I'll stick him on ignore with H.K.

Still feel that he is off the mark?

Is Palmer on IR???

 

[Warhogs]

I can't figure out why some people have attacked the OP. I think it is fair to speculate that a winless team whose starting QB has elbow issues could end up in a position where they shut him down. Why the hate?

 

[Max Power]

Carson Palmer will have his ailing elbow examined by a New York Mets team doctor.

Palmer, whose injury is believed to be similar to a baseball pitcher's, will remain in New York to be examined by Dr. David Altchek. Palmer said he would play as soon as he's cleared, but there's concern that his elbow is not getting better. Oct. 12 - 6:57 pm et

 

[morris4903]

I will be surprised if he takes another snap this season.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I can't figure out why some people have attacked the OP. I think it is fair to speculate that a winless team whose starting QB has elbow issues could end up in a position where they shut him down. Why the hate?

Try reading some of his other threads/posts. The OP constantly speculates and puts a negative spin on everything he talks about.

Please give me some examples of my constant speculations... I'll be

 

[KellysHeroes]

You know threads like this kind of piss me off. Wild speculation from people who make it sound like they know what they are talking about. Then, it turns out to be 100% off the mark. What was the point of this thread Kellysheroes? To throw #### at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Then be able to come back and say "I told ya so?" Pretty weak.

Please put me on ignore if u feel that way about my postsHere was my post

Tommy John injury is rumored, the guy can't practice this week, Swelling in the elbow is never good.... team is taking a total dump this yr.All signs are pointing to shutting him down at some point this season.Thoughts

I was simply asking the other FF players in the shark pool what there thoughts were... sorry I offended u in someway

 

[KellysHeroes]

I can't figure out why some people have attacked the OP. I think it is fair to speculate that a winless team whose starting QB has elbow issues could end up in a position where they shut him down. Why the hate?

I just seem to rub some people the wrong way I guess

 

[Big Score]

The OP constantly speculates and puts a negative spin on everything he talks about.

Please give me some examples of my constant speculations... I'll be

Well, since you asked...

Whats the SP feelings on Marv. How many Full games do u expect out of him this yr?

And How Effective will he be on the field?

I got the feeling that its going to be a bad year for Harrison owners, I sense that there will be a lot GTDs, a lot of him having to rest during games, be pulled out early for health reason and saving him during blow outs.

I just think he won't be as effective on the field either... never mind the injury, it is very hard for a player at that age to miss about half a season and return to form, ever again.

w/ Anderson signed for 3 years... and Cleveland will be prob never trade Quinn away; is it worth holding Quinn in a 12 team or smaller dynasty.

Contract Information for Derek Anderson

2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2008: $950,000, 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent

If Anderson puts up #s again... Quinn is going to be on the Bench for a long, see A Rodgers.

Saints GM Mickey Loomis was non-committal when asked about Deuce McAllister's future with the club on Wednesday.

New Orleans will make a decision on McAllister in March, when he's due a $1 million roster bonus. It seems likely that Deuce will be paid after Reggie Bush failed to establish himself as an every-down answer in 2007. The team could then look to turn some of his $3.6 million salary into incentives. Loomis did say that McAllister's recovery from a torn ACL is going well.

I disagree, I think he'll be cut. Both Reggie and Deuce failed when both were playing (Reggie was doing decent until he got hurt).

I highly doubt that NOS keeps Deuce around now that he has both knees torn up. There will be plenty of FA RBs that are younger and cheaper if the Siants wish to place Bush in a similar 2006 RBBC.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The OP constantly speculates and puts a negative spin on everything he talks about.

Please give me some examples of my constant speculations... I'll be

Well, since you asked...

Whats the SP feelings on Marv. How many Full games do u expect out of him this yr?

And How Effective will he be on the field?

I got the feeling that its going to be a bad year for Harrison owners, I sense that there will be a lot GTDs, a lot of him having to rest during games, be pulled out early for health reason and saving him during blow outs.

I just think he won't be as effective on the field either... never mind the injury, it is very hard for a player at that age to miss about half a season and return to form, ever again.

w/ Anderson signed for 3 years... and Cleveland will be prob never trade Quinn away; is it worth holding Quinn in a 12 team or smaller dynasty.

Contract Information for Derek Anderson

2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2008: $950,000, 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent

If Anderson puts up #s again... Quinn is going to be on the Bench for a long, see A Rodgers.

Saints GM Mickey Loomis was non-committal when asked about Deuce McAllister's future with the club on Wednesday.

New Orleans will make a decision on McAllister in March, when he's due a $1 million roster bonus. It seems likely that Deuce will be paid after Reggie Bush failed to establish himself as an every-down answer in 2007. The team could then look to turn some of his $3.6 million salary into incentives. Loomis did say that McAllister's recovery from a torn ACL is going well.

I disagree, I think he'll be cut. Both Reggie and Deuce failed when both were playing (Reggie was doing decent until he got hurt).

I highly doubt that NOS keeps Deuce around now that he has both knees torn up. There will be plenty of FA RBs that are younger and cheaper if the Siants wish to place Bush in a similar 2006 RBBC.