Carson Palmer returning next week? (1 Viewer)

[cst2006]

Bengals | Carson Palmer meets with club Thu Sep 1, 06:49 PM

Updating a previous item, the Cincinnati Bengals met with QB Carson Palmer, and he may return to the team next week.

If this is true and Palmer shows up, whats his value like this season? Is he automatically inserted as the starting QB over Dalton? How big a boost do guys like Benson and AJ Green get if he is? Curious what others think about this.

 

[pollardsvision]

In my nightly prayers, after I prayed for Chris Johnson to get paid, I pray for Carson Palmer to report for duty in Cincy. I'm fascinated to see what happens if he does.

I have no idea what'll happen, but I'd guess him starting the least likely. Then again, the Bengals are a pretty shameless franchise, so who knows....

 

[FavreCo]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Easy money

I would do the same.

I think the Bengals end up trading him. He's not even prepared to start.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Good call

 

[Genester]

Bengals | Carson Palmer meets with club Thu Sep 1, 06:49 PM Updating a previous item, the Cincinnati Bengals met with QB Carson Palmer, and he may return to the team next week.If this is true and Palmer shows up, whats his value like this season? Is he automatically inserted as the starting QB over Dalton? How big a boost do guys like Benson and AJ Green get if he is? Curious what others think about this.

My prediction if Palmer shows up: he will be deactivated for every game, for the entire season. He will not be traded, nor will he play 1 down. Welcome back to Bungleland

 

[dapunisher]

Bengals | Carson Palmer meets with club Thu Sep 1, 06:49 PM Updating a previous item, the Cincinnati Bengals met with QB Carson Palmer, and he may return to the team next week.If this is true and Palmer shows up, whats his value like this season? Is he automatically inserted as the starting QB over Dalton? How big a boost do guys like Benson and AJ Green get if he is? Curious what others think about this.

My prediction if Palmer shows up: he will be deactivated for every game, for the entire season. He will not be traded, nor will he play 1 down. Welcome back to Bungleland

I could absolutely see Mike Brown doing that. He might be a Dartmouth graduate, but that dude is a moron.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

The Bengals have plenty of cap room - cuz Brown is milking the team for all the $$ he can before the floor kicks in.Personally, I'd rather see Carson Palmer put the $11.5 million in his pocket than Mike Brown put it in his pocket...at least Palmer entertained me for several years even with the sad owner he's had to labor under all this time.

 

[cst2006]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

In my blind hope of him playing this season (Benson owner in a 16 tm league, needs all the help he can get =p) I overlooked the obvious scenario, and Bengals management is so hard-headed I can imagine this will only strengthen their resolve to keep Palmer off the field all season. Taking a flier on him anyways in the 1 league where he was still available, wanna see how this all shakes out.

 

[acapella]

Mike Brown should make him third string and put him in charge of laundry, fetching water, etc.

 

[The_U]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

MOP, I think you're awesome - one of the best contributors on the board. I disagree with this post however. As a Bengals fan I do not feel the Browns (family) wanted Carson to go anywhere. If they did, why wouldn't they just honor his request to trade him? They know Dalton's not ready and while he is the QB of the future, and one I think they should be excited about, they need Carson and I truly believe they wanted him to run the team this season. Enough of this and on to the bigger picture:While I think Mike Brown is the worst owner in the NFL (hands down), I don't necessarily think he did anything terribly wrong here - for a rare change. The Bengals have paid Carson a lot of money over the years. While Carson has also given the Bengals all he truly had, he was in fact under contract when he demanded a trade at a time the team didn't (doesn't) have a capable replacement. Further, while it is not a veteran QB's "job" to mentor his replacement, another role Carson would have been great at was helping Dalton grow into being the Bengals' starting QB - - in time. In short: there was absolutely no reason for the Bengals to trade Palmer and there was no benefit short of removing a potential distraction to doing so. Carson was perfectly in the right to request a deal, but he also had no ground to stand on (short of a well planned and stashed bank roll) is my point. The Bengals needed Carson and the Bengals did indeed WANT Carson.On the flip side, I get Carson's frustration with the organization and I think he was fully justified in taking the stance he did against Mike Brown, and I definitely think he planned all along to show up at the last moment completely unprepared to play, but totally prepared to make Mike sign the check and I love it. And with that I say screw you, Mike Brown.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

MOP, I think you're awesome - one of the best contributors on the board. I disagree with this post however. As a Bengals fan I do not feel the Browns (family) wanted Carson to go anywhere. If they did, why wouldn't they just honor his request to trade him? They know Dalton's not ready and while he is the QB of the future, and one I think they should be excited about, they need Carson and I truly believe they wanted him to run the team this season. Enough of this and on to the bigger picture:While I think Mike Brown is the worst owner in the NFL (hands down), I don't necessarily think he did anything terribly wrong here - for a rare change. The Bengals have paid Carson a lot of money over the years. While Carson has also given the Bengals all he truly had, he was in fact under contract when he demanded a trade at a time the team didn't (doesn't) have a capable replacement. Further, while it is not a veteran QB's "job" to mentor his replacement, another role Carson would have been great at was helping Dalton grow into being the Bengals' starting QB - - in time. In short: there was absolutely no reason for the Bengals to trade Palmer and there was no benefit short of removing a potential distraction to doing so. Carson was perfectly in the right to request a deal, but he also had no ground to stand on (short of a well planned and stashed bank roll) is my point. The Bengals needed Carson and the Bengals did indeed WANT Carson.On the flip side, I get Carson's frustration with the organization and I think he was fully justified in taking the stance he did against Mike Brown, and I definitely think he planned all along to show up at the last moment completely unprepared to play, but totally prepared to make Mike sign the check and I love it. And with that I say screw you, Mike Brown.

nice post, good points

 

[[scooter]]

Bengals | Carson Palmer meets with club Thu Sep 1, 06:49 PM Updating a previous item, the Cincinnati Bengals met with QB Carson Palmer, and he may return to the team next week.If this is true and Palmer shows up, whats his value like this season? Is he automatically inserted as the starting QB over Dalton? How big a boost do guys like Benson and AJ Green get if he is? Curious what others think about this.

My prediction if Palmer shows up: he will be deactivated for every game, for the entire season. He will not be traded, nor will he play 1 down. Welcome back to Bungleland

That wouldn't be the worst decision from Brown's point of view. Brown is deathly afraid of trading or cutting Palmer, because he fears that other players will try the same tactic to "escape" Cincinnati.Brown has to send a message that he won't let players bully him. Maybe he's willing to spend $11 million to send that message?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Couple of thoughts:

First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.

However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.

As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

 

[cubbie5150]

I hope this happens. The resulting sideshow would make the Bengals relevant to me this year even if for the wrong reason.

 

[cvnpoka]

haha, wheres that norrisb guy? hes been steadfastly predicting this all offseason.

 

[todisco1]

As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

My problem with Palmer is that when Ocho held out looking for a trade Palmer was openly critical of him. Now he's doing the same thing -- to me he's a huge hypocrite.

 

[cst2006]

Now its being spun as "wishful thinking" on the Bengals part, would love to hear from Carson on this to see if his stance has changed (if he is willing to play for the Bengals or not). Like others have said definitely understand both sides of the coin, just sucks that at the end of the day a talented player is going to sit a season because of this stalemate.

 

[Hoosier16]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

Bingo!Cinci wanted him to go away, this is gonna be a nightmare for them.

MOP, I think you're awesome - one of the best contributors on the board. I disagree with this post however. As a Bengals fan I do not feel the Browns (family) wanted Carson to go anywhere. If they did, why wouldn't they just honor his request to trade him? They know Dalton's not ready and while he is the QB of the future, and one I think they should be excited about, they need Carson and I truly believe they wanted him to run the team this season. Enough of this and on to the bigger picture:While I think Mike Brown is the worst owner in the NFL (hands down), I don't necessarily think he did anything terribly wrong here - for a rare change. The Bengals have paid Carson a lot of money over the years. While Carson has also given the Bengals all he truly had, he was in fact under contract when he demanded a trade at a time the team didn't (doesn't) have a capable replacement. Further, while it is not a veteran QB's "job" to mentor his replacement, another role Carson would have been great at was helping Dalton grow into being the Bengals' starting QB - - in time. In short: there was absolutely no reason for the Bengals to trade Palmer and there was no benefit short of removing a potential distraction to doing so. Carson was perfectly in the right to request a deal, but he also had no ground to stand on (short of a well planned and stashed bank roll) is my point. The Bengals needed Carson and the Bengals did indeed WANT Carson.On the flip side, I get Carson's frustration with the organization and I think he was fully justified in taking the stance he did against Mike Brown, and I definitely think he planned all along to show up at the last moment completely unprepared to play, but totally prepared to make Mike sign the check and I love it. And with that I say screw you, Mike Brown.

I agree with everything you said until the last paragraph. While I would rather have another GM, the hatred for Brown on this board seems greater than that from the bengals fans. I don't think Brown minds paying Palmer, so Palmer isn't causing Brown any pain at all by doing this. Palmer wasn't justified at all, especially if he really did plan this. I'd put him in the Brett Favre category if he did. In the end, I think Brown is probably very happy. He gets palmer back and at the same time, Dalton gets a ton of 1st string experience during this shortened offseason.

 

[Hoosier16]

As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

My problem with Palmer is that when Ocho held out looking for a trade Palmer was openly critical of him. Now he's doing the same thing -- to me he's a huge hypocrite.

 

[Joe Summer]

He'll report just before the season starts. His love for $11.5 million dollars is greater than his hate for Mike Brown.

 

[DiStefano]

As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

My problem with Palmer is that when Ocho held out looking for a trade Palmer was openly critical of him. Now he's doing the same thing -- to me he's a huge hypocrite.

He's not allowed to change his mind and think that Ochocinco had a point?

 

[CrossEyed]

Every night in my prayers I thank God for putting the Steelers in the same division as the Bengals and the Browns.

 

[domvin]

Couple of thoughts:First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

It is a new system. Jay Gruden is installing his West Coast version......

 

[Ghost Rider]

Looks like a guy that is putting the screws to the Bengals. Never filed retirement papers. Misses whole pre-season, not in any shape to start. Forces the Bengals to pay him 11.5 million. Bending over Mike Brown.

They deserve it. They refused to grant his trade request, so by doing this, they will have to pay him, and they might end up having to release or trade him. Palmer probably doesn't want to retire, and doesn't want to stay in Cincinnati, so this is really his only option.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

kind of tells me a lot about Palmer and the kind of teamate he would be.....

bust 85's chops for doing this and then do it yourself....and then play these games and look like a total d-bag only in it for the cash...."I don't really care about you guys at all, I'm just here to pick up some easy cash"....

there are millions of guys who would love the opportunity to play on Sundays for the love of the game and there teamates......Carson is basically spitting in their face and laughing right now.....this team made a committment to him a long time ago and paid him nicely....if I recall better than any other QB at the time....granted they haven't run the rest of the organization the right way, but that is no reason for the highest paid Bengal ever to pull a d-bag move like this.....if I was one of his teamates I being looking to sock the dude in the throat....I don't care how good of a guy/teamate he was before....he is still on this team.....he is not bigger than the team.....guys would kill to be in his position.....to be playing in the NFL.....if you are going to accept a check....have some pride and earn it....step up and do your job even if you don't agree with the way your boss does things....

personally I hope they play him sooner than later, he'll get reminded very quickly that he ain't bigger than the team.....

 

[r0llin_game]

Couple of thoughts:First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

It is a new system. Jay Gruden is installing his West Coast version......

was about to post that myself

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cinci trades Palmer to Seattle. Felt like Kurt Warner was hinting at this tonight. Cinci enters the Andrew Luck sweepstakes only to have Andrew Luck announce he wants no part of their organization before the draft.

 

[Daywalker]

Paying Palmer 11.5mill to ride the pine is exactly what Palmer wants. No way Brown will have that.

If Palmer returns he will be starting.

 

[Daywalker]

kind of tells me a lot about Palmer and the kind of teamate he would be.....bust 85's chops for doing this and then do it yourself....and then play these games and look like a total d-bag only in it for the cash...."I don't really care about you guys at all, I'm just here to pick up some easy cash"....there are millions of guys who would love the opportunity to play on Sundays for the love of the game and there teamates......Carson is basically spitting in their face and laughing right now.....this team made a committment to him a long time ago and paid him nicely....if I recall better than any other QB at the time....granted they haven't run the rest of the organization the right way, but that is no reason for the highest paid Bengal ever to pull a d-bag move like this.....if I was one of his teamates I being looking to sock the dude in the throat....I don't care how good of a guy/teamate he was before....he is still on this team.....he is not bigger than the team.....guys would kill to be in his position.....to be playing in the NFL.....if you are going to accept a check....have some pride and earn it....step up and do your job even if you don't agree with the way your boss does things....personally I hope they play him sooner than later, he'll get reminded very quickly that he ain't bigger than the team.....

Criticizing Palmer for busting on Chad Johnson is fair. But Palmer does not owe anything to the Bengals.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Like a previous poster said, if Palmer shows up he will be starting week 3. Let's not forget this all blew up when Marvin got his extension. There has to be some issues between them. I would make Carson do the hamburger drill or bull in the ring at his practice if I was Lewis.

 

[need2know]

are any of you picking up Carson and putting him on your bench? Too early to do that?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Couple of thoughts:First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

It is a new system. Jay Gruden is installing his West Coast version......

was about to post that myself

Aha. My bad then on that front I had forgotten about them firing Bob Brat whats's name. Maybe it's a bigger deal than I was thinking in terms of prep work. Still, Palmer ran a WCO at USC no? Maybe a different WCO. I just think that if he comes back and they do pay him his money, there is no reason to think he might still be the best option for the team this year (after a little while anyway).

 

[Daywalker]

Fantasy-wise think this news effects Jermaine Gresham the most.

 

[todisco1]

As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

My problem with Palmer is that when Ocho held out looking for a trade Palmer was openly critical of him. Now he's doing the same thing -- to me he's a huge hypocrite.

He's not allowed to change his mind and think that Ochocinco had a point?

Would be nice if he issued a public apology if that's the case. He's absolutely allowed to change his mind, but it still makes him look like a jerk to me unless he admits his mistake.

 

[Insein]

From an outsiders POV, I see Mike Brown as an extremely stubborn guy who will do ridiculous things to prove a point. So only 2 options present themselves.

1) Carson reports. He has no knowledge of the playbook and therefore can't start. Will get paid his $11.5mil begrudgingly by Brown and will be deactivated all season.

2) Carson reports. Mike Brown, being the miserly curmudgeon that he is, refuses to pay Carson and trades him for whatever he can get. Most likely a 5th rounder in 2013.

Well played Mr. Brown. You certainly put your franchise first.

 

[Church of Iggy Pop]

Every night in my prayers I thank God for putting the Steelers in the same division as the Bengals and the Browns.

All shtick aside, you are dead on. The Steelers have benefited greatly from two decades of inept Ohio professional football. Bank four wins a year sweeping the Bengals and Browns, play .500 ball over the balance of your season, and guess what? You're 10-6 and looking at a wildcard at least.

 

[JoeSteeler]

are any of you picking up Carson and putting him on your bench? Too early to do that?

Picked him up in 3 of my 16 team leagues where he was dropped. Figured he could be a low risk high reward guy.

 

[need2know]

are any of you picking up Carson and putting him on your bench? Too early to do that?

Picked him up in 3 of my 16 team leagues where he was dropped. Figured he could be a low risk high reward guy.

I am thinking about dropping Cassel and rolling with Carson as my QB2. got a feeling the chiefs will suck anywayIf carson gets traded to the Seahawks or 49ers I could see a rejuvenated Carson putting up good numbers....

 

[cheese]

From an outsiders POV, I see Mike Brown as an extremely stubborn guy who will do ridiculous things to prove a point. So only 2 options present themselves. 1) Carson reports. He has no knowledge of the playbook and therefore can't start. Will get paid his $11.5mil begrudgingly by Brown and will be deactivated all season. 2) Carson reports. Mike Brown, being the miserly curmudgeon that he is, refuses to pay Carson and trades him for whatever he can get. Most likely a 5th rounder in 2013. Well played Mr. Brown. You certainly put your franchise first.

He can't start YET. If he reports, which would shock me, I could see a scenerio where they would still play him. The Bengals think very highly of him as a QB. Probably not for the first few weeks though and even then it might depend on Dalton's results. I still think he'll retire though.

 

[pollardsvision]

I think Carson could get rejuvenated going to another team. However, it's still less than 50% chance he gets traded, imo. If he does, it'll be a month before he sees the field, still probably getting up to speed at that point. If he's not completely rejuvenated and something magical doesn't happen, he'll still be a bad QB2 at that point.

Also, he's a QB.

I'd look to pick him up if every 3rd string RB in the league and every 4th or 5th WR with any possible upside in a perfect world were already rostered. In that case, I might pick him.

He may not cost much, but dropping any possible RB or WR with any chance to be productive is more than I'd be willing to pay.

 

[cvnpoka]

Every night in my prayers I thank God for putting the Steelers in the same division as the Bengals and the Browns.

All shtick aside, you are dead on. The Steelers have benefited greatly from two decades of inept Ohio professional football. Bank four wins a year sweeping the Bengals and Browns, play .500 ball over the balance of your season, and guess what? You're 10-6 and looking at a wildcard at least.

and as soon as a team shows they might have a franchise qb, send a lineman at his knee after the play and alter his career.

 

[Insein]

I think Carson could get rejuvenated going to another team. However, it's still less than 50% chance he gets traded, imo. If he does, it'll be a month before he sees the field, still probably getting up to speed at that point. If he's not completely rejuvenated and something magical doesn't happen, he'll still be a bad QB2 at that point.Also, he's a QB.I'd look to pick him up if every 3rd string RB in the league and every 4th or 5th WR with any possible upside in a perfect world were already rostered. In that case, I might pick him.He may not cost much, but dropping any possible RB or WR with any chance to be productive is more than I'd be willing to pay.

2QB league he's worth a roster spot as a deep lottery ticket you can get in the 17th round but any other format and he's kind of worthless. Better QBs out there.

 

[The_U]

Every night in my prayers I thank God for putting the Steelers in the same division as the Bengals and the Browns.

All shtick aside, you are dead on. The Steelers have benefited greatly from two decades of inept Ohio professional football. Bank four wins a year sweeping the Bengals and Browns, play .500 ball over the balance of your season, and guess what? You're 10-6 and looking at a wildcard at least.

and as soon as a team shows they might have a franchise qb, send a lineman at his knee after the play and alter his career.

Nicely done.

 

[Clifford]

Couple of thoughts:First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

A completely unpracticed and unprepared Palmer is leagues better than Dalton and Grads with a full TC/Preseason. Plain as day. Dalton is terrible, Grads makes Grossman look rock solid. Palmer blows them both away, fluttering deep balls and all.So, Carson is likely to report. Why wouldn't he? At least he can collect a paycheck and take a year off his eligibility. Question now is Brown more in love with spite or winning. There is absolutely no question that Carson gives this team the best chance at winning this year. No question. Mike Brown has had some of the fans back because he was playing hardball with a player threatening to retire. Playing hardball by keeping his best QB on the bench, paying him and getting nothing from him while Dalton disintegrates on the field will not sit as well with the fans.

 

[KentGraham10]

This is very exciting for Madden, since I always use the Bengals. Looks like I'll actually have a QB who can throw passes this year!

 

[cheese]

Couple of thoughts:First, this seemed like a decent possibility from the start, and very likely part of the Palmer strategy all along with Brown knowing it was a possible as well.However, I think the "unprepared to play" is a being a bit overblown in this thread. He's a veteran QB playing in the same system he played in last year. Sure, some time in camp would have helped, but it's not nearly as critical to a guy in his situation as it would be to a young guy or a guy playing a different position or in a different scheme. Favre did this every year and was fine. As long as he is in some reasonable shape, I don't see preparedness being a big issue. I could easily see the team just playing him as long as they are paying him. Why wouldn't they? If Palmer comes back, Brown has "won" and there would be no reason to hurt the team by sitting the superior QB.As far as "who is right", like many, I can see both sides. If an owner just caves to any player who doesn't want to play for him anymore in the middle of his contract, what is going to stop the next 5 or 10 guys who decide they want out too? On the other hand, I can understand wanting out of an organization as apparently inept as the Bengals seem to be.

A completely unpracticed and unprepared Palmer is leagues better than Dalton and Grads with a full TC/Preseason. Plain as day. Dalton is terrible, Grads makes Grossman look rock solid. Palmer blows them both away, fluttering deep balls and all.So, Carson is likely to report. Why wouldn't he? At least he can collect a paycheck and take a year off his eligibility. Question now is Brown more in love with spite or winning. There is absolutely no question that Carson gives this team the best chance at winning this year. No question. Mike Brown has had some of the fans back because he was playing hardball with a player threatening to retire. Playing hardball by keeping his best QB on the bench, paying him and getting nothing from him while Dalton disintegrates on the field will not sit as well with the fans.

When has Mike Brown ever said anything about not being willing to play Palmer? Him playing hardball would be expecting Palmer to play QB for the Bengals if he wants paid this year, same as he has asked for from day 1. If anything, the fans here are the ones who want to sit Palmer out of spite. I believe Mike Brown would be happy to start Palmer.

 

[OPS]

Can he wait until week 10 to report and still have it count as a year of service time or is that only for restricted free agents?

 

[The Hank]

Can he wait until week 10 to report and still have it count as a year of service time or is that only for restricted free agents?