Carson Palmer Traded to Oakland (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

anyone got a list of the picks the raiders have given up next year and who they were given for?

 

[Teef]

as a raider fan, one thing that makes me feel good about this trade is that everyone here thinks it's a dumb idea...

Year in and year out the SP is in full effect bashing the Raider draft picks and trades, but oddly enough, they only seem to get better.

 

[yellowdog]

As a Raiders fan im ok with the choice of QB ...but the price was too steep...maybe 1 first round pick(a second round pick would have been more in line) but TWO first round picks ????

It's one first round pick, with the conditions of the second not made public yet. I imagine he'd have to be pretty successful in order for that to be bumped up to a first rounder, in which case, it would obviously be worthwhile to the Raiders. I'm in agreement with those who say draft picks can be wildly overvalued. It's a gamble, just like anything else. Obviously, they feel they need a QB and don't like who would be falling to where they'd end up, and most importantly, this is somebody they can plug in now with a team they feel is competitive and they believe can give them results. How many mid to late first round QBs end up producing like Palmer in the NFL? Clearly, it's very important to the Raiders organization that they pull all stops this season. I respect the aggressiveness.

If the Raiders win A playoff game, it's a first. Otherwise, a second.

 

[baconisgood]

It's one first round pick, with the conditions of the second not made public yet.

The second becomes a first if the Raiders win a playoff game, per Mort.

Please god, let the Raiders play Bengals in the first round.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Mike Brown deserves major props for not giving into a guy who quit on his team and then making a move when he was offered the absolute maximum. Still don't understand how anyone could have sided with Palmer on this. Guy just walked out on his teammates. Even worse, he decided to quit on the best Bengal team in years! His not being on the team probably has something to do it's success. So if the Raiders don't make the moves that brainiac Carson believes they should, will he quit on them? Terrible move by the Raiders to give a king's ransom for a quitter. Watch that team go right in the toilet now.

 

[Raider Nation]

lolRaiders, joke of a franchise, joke of the NFL.

You're the last guy to talk.

Smug Seahawk fans amuse me.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

As a Raiders fan im ok with the choice of QB ...but the price was too steep...maybe 1 first round pick(a second round pick would have been more in line) but TWO first round picks ????

It's one first round pick, with the conditions of the second not made public yet. I imagine he'd have to be pretty successful in order for that to be bumped up to a first rounder, in which case, it would obviously be worthwhile to the Raiders. I'm in agreement with those who say draft picks can be wildly overvalued. It's a gamble, just like anything else. Obviously, they feel they need a QB and don't like who would be falling to where they'd end up, and most importantly, this is somebody they can plug in now with a team they feel is competitive and they believe can give them results. How many mid to late first round QBs end up producing like Palmer in the NFL? Clearly, it's very important to the Raiders organization that they pull all stops this season. I respect the aggressiveness.

Tuesday report by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, Brown had been talking with the Oakland Raiders about a trade that would send Palmer to the Raiders for a first-round draft pick in 2012 and a conditional first-round pick in 2013. If the Raiders make the playoffs in 2011, the Bengals will get a first-rounder in 2013; it will be a second-round pick if they don't.The deal makes Oakland's 2012 draft very interesting — not only did they give up their 2012 third-rounder when they selected Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor(notes) in the 2011 supplemental draft, but they will also have traded away their first-round, second-round, fourth-round, and seventh-round picks for 2012 in various other deals. The second-rounder left in a draft weekend trade with the New England Patriots, the fourth-rounder was for Jason Campbell(notes), and the seventh-rounder was for former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry(notes). Add in the third-rounder sacrificed for Pryor, and the Raiders might as well go fishing next April.Of course, that's not entirely true -- they'll get compensatory picks for losing veterans like Nnamdi Asomugha(notes), Zach Miller, and Robert Gallery(notes) -- but it's obvious that the 4-2 Raiders, who are currently in second place behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, are going all out to win in a 2011 season that has been marked by the loss of Al Davis.http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner

 

[Raider Nation]

Pretty sure Palmer isn't getting Shane Lechler's #9 jersey. But the #3 he wore at USC is available.

 

[Walton Goggins]

As a Raiders fan im ok with the choice of QB ...but the price was too steep...maybe 1 first round pick(a second round pick would have been more in line) but TWO first round picks ????

It's one first round pick, with the conditions of the second not made public yet. I imagine he'd have to be pretty successful in order for that to be bumped up to a first rounder, in which case, it would obviously be worthwhile to the Raiders. I'm in agreement with those who say draft picks can be wildly overvalued. It's a gamble, just like anything else. Obviously, they feel they need a QB and don't like who would be falling to where they'd end up, and most importantly, this is somebody they can plug in now with a team they feel is competitive and they believe can give them results. How many mid to late first round QBs end up producing like Palmer in the NFL? Clearly, it's very important to the Raiders organization that they pull all stops this season. I respect the aggressiveness.

Tuesday report by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, Brown had been talking with the Oakland Raiders about a trade that would send Palmer to the Raiders for a first-round draft pick in 2012 and a conditional first-round pick in 2013. If the Raiders make the playoffs in 2011, the Bengals will get a first-rounder in 2013; it will be a second-round pick if they don't.

The deal makes Oakland's 2012 draft very interesting — not only did they give up their 2012 third-rounder when they selected Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor(notes) in the 2011 supplemental draft, but they will also have traded away their first-round, second-round, fourth-round, and seventh-round picks for 2012 in various other deals. The second-rounder left in a draft weekend trade with the New England Patriots, the fourth-rounder was for Jason Campbell(notes), and the seventh-rounder was for former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry(notes). Add in the third-rounder sacrificed for Pryor, and the Raiders might as well go fishing next April.

Of course, that's not entirely true -- they'll get compensatory picks for losing veterans like Nnamdi Asomugha(notes), Zach Miller, and Robert Gallery(notes) -- but it's obvious that the 4-2 Raiders, who are currently in second place behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, are going all out to win in a 2011 season that has been marked by the loss of Al Davis.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner

So win or lose give up second #1

 

[baconisgood]

Lol. Mike Brown got lucky that a QB on a team with something to play for got injured in just the right way, at just the right time. If Campbell is out 4 weeks or is possible to come back at some time in the season the trade doesn't happen.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

On Tuesday morning, Shutdown Corner spoke with Travelle Gaines of Athletes Performance in Carson, Calif., where Palmer has been working out for months. As it turns out, Gaines — who also works with the Raiders in an advisory capacity — was the man the Raiders leaned on to find out what kind of football shape Palmer was in. "He looks great — he's been throwing every day, and working with Ken O'Brien, the quarterbacks coach," Gaines said. "He's been throwing to his good buddy T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes), working with Terrell Owens(notes) and Hank Baskett(notes). He looks great. I think he'll be ready to go and step right in for the Raiders. He and Coach Jackson have worked together in the past, and they have a great relationship."



http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner

 

[Multiple Scores]

lolRaiders, joke of a franchise, joke of the NFL.

Raiders getting smacked down by a Seahag fan. OUCH. My two least favorite teams in the league. :X

 

[Raider Nation]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

I'm certainly not a fan of giving up even one first-round pick for Palmer, but Oakland is likely to be picking in the bottom half of the first round for the next few years. There are no guarantees that first-round picks will be a success, especially ones at the back half of the round. But still, this deal was short-sighted. Anything short of a Super Bowl appearance in the next two years renders this a bad deal. And unless our defense has a miraculous transformation, that is not a reality.

 

[thriftyrocker]

The Broncos turned Jay Cutler into

Robert Ayers DL - 3 career sacks, starting but low upside

Richard Quinn TE - blocking specialist, cut this offseason

Demaryius Thomas WR - hurt a lot, who knows

and used its abundance of picks to justify trading its own 2010 1st to get

Alfonso Smith CB - bust in DEN, traded to DET for the wrong Gronkowski brother, who was cut

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

I'm certainly not a fan of giving up even one first-round pick for Palmer, but Oakland is likely to be picking in the bottom half of the first round for the next few years. There are no guarantees that first-round picks will be a success, especially ones at the back half of the round. But still, this deal was short-sighted. Anything short of a Super Bowl appearance in the next two years renders this a bad deal. And unless our defense has a miraculous transformation, that is not a reality.

i was dying to watch a draft that Al Davis wasnt a part of(god rest his soul)

 

[FavreCo]

On Tuesday morning, Shutdown Corner spoke with Travelle Gaines of Athletes Performance in Carson, Calif., where Palmer has been working out for months. As it turns out, Gaines — who also works with the Raiders in an advisory capacity — was the man the Raiders leaned on to find out what kind of football shape Palmer was in. "He looks great — he's been throwing every day, and working with Ken O'Brien, the quarterbacks coach," Gaines said. "He's been throwing to his good buddy T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes), working with Terrell Owens(notes) and Hank Baskett(notes). He looks great. I think he'll be ready to go and step right in for the Raiders. He and Coach Jackson have worked together in the past, and they have a great relationship." http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner

Well except for the lack of arm strength. The biggest concern with Palmer is mobility.

 

[nickdiesel]

What the hell? My Bengals actually doing good! These are not the Bengals I love to hate. They at playing good football and making smart football moves? Mike brown has to have been replaced by a pod person!

 

[Teef]

The Broncos turned Jay Cutler intoRobert Ayers DL - 3 career sacks, starting but low upsideRichard Quinn TE - blocking specialist, cut this offseasonDemaryius Thomas WR - hurt a lot, who knowsand used its abundance of picks to justify trading its own 2010 1st to getAlfonso Smith CB - bust in DEN, traded to DET for the wrong Gronkowski brother, who was cut

Some people think these picks automatically turn into sure-fire studs. In 4 or 5 years we'll know if the possible pair of late-round 1sts turn into anything good. What I like about the Cincy end, is that they get a good crack at making something good out of picks coming from a rotting player. Could wind up a win-win.

 

[MarcO]

I think this is a good move for the Raiders - just in the context of this trade by itself. You could argue that the Raiders are just an experienced, proven QB away from putting them on par with the Chargers, Patriots and Ravens in terms of pure talent on offense in the AFC.

If you start to consider the ramifications of the trade with regard to future draft picks, then I think you can say it's a risky move for the Raiders. But clearly, if they think they have an opportunity to win this year and next - I can't blame them for going for it.

 

[Vision6]

the only solace raider fans have is that if the idiots on this board all hate on one thing the opposite usually happens. So there's that.

I'll be at the bar

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The Broncos turned Jay Cutler intoRobert Ayers DL - 3 career sacks, starting but low upsideRichard Quinn TE - blocking specialist, cut this offseasonDemaryius Thomas WR - hurt a lot, who knowsand used its abundance of picks to justify trading its own 2010 1st to getAlfonso Smith CB - bust in DEN, traded to DET for the wrong Gronkowski brother, who was cut

I remember this board lighting up in similar style. Weren't guys comparing the Denver trade to the Herschel Walker trade as well?Oops.

 

[Raider Nation]

Congrats to those who picked up DHB in the past couple of weeks. He is the big winner here, fantasy wise.

Palmer's arm for the 60-yard bombs won't be what it was in the past, but the 15-yard outs will be unstoppable between these two. Corners have to play off of DHB because of the threat of his speed. He should be able to execute any intermediate route that he wants, as long as Palmer still has his accuracy.

 

[Joe Summer]

anyone got a list of the picks the raiders have given up next year and who they were given for?

1st Round: traded for Palmer2nd Round: traded to New England for 3rd and 4th round picks in 2011 (Joseph Barksdale and Taiwan Jones)

3rd Round: used for Terrelle Pryor in 2011 Supplemental Draft

4th Round: traded to Washington for Jason Campbell

7th Round: traded to Seattle (along with a conditional 4th or 5th round pick in 2013) for Aaron Curry

2013 2nd Round: traded for Palmer (could become 2013 1st Round if they win a playoff game)

 

[Manster]

this just seems like too much to give for Palmer, who has declining skills.

 

[LawFitz]

Draft picks are for the birds.

 

[VaTerp]

Boatload of 'lack of arm strength' guys are going to look foolish. 26 TD's last year with a noodle arm.

Right- because TD passes is the absolute indicator of arm strength. Pennington was known as "noodle arm" and he threw 22 TDs in 12 starts once for the Jets. Nobody is saying Palmer cant have success in Oakland (In fact, I kinda hope he does). And if you want to look at stats look at Palmer's ypa. 7.5, 7.8, and 7.2 the three years prior to elbow problems. 5.7, 6.6, 6.8 since. Maybe his arm is improving but the last few seasons he has demonstrated that his arm clearly wasnt what it was before. Again, based on watching him play he didnt drive the ball, have the same velocity, or tightness in his throws that he had previously. IMO Oakland is paying a VERY steep price for a QB who is somewhat damaged goods.And speaking of looking foolish. I think that would be citing a video that includes highlights from 2007 and pre-elbow problems as evidence that Palmer's arm was fine in 2010 and blaming everything on a WR while calling him third grade names is quite foolish. But that's just me.

 

[emge]

DHB is about to explode once Carson gets comfy

let me guess... you are an DHB owner

 

[sharptongued1]

Rotoworld is reporting that the deal is close to done.

The Raiders and Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to Oakland, according to FOX's Jay Glazer.

Per Glazer, the deal is expected to be completed by today's 4pm ET deadline with Cincy receiving a first-round pick in 2012 and a future conditional pick. He adds that Hue Jackson's close, personal relationship with Bengals owner Mike Brown is what got the Bengals to move off their stubborn stance. Jackson was the Bengals' wide receivers coach from 2004-06. Palmer may need a week to get his feet under him, but the 31-year-old will give an Oakland passing game that was set to go in the tank under Kyle Boller some life. Hold your Raiders wideouts.

The Beloved Silver and Black gives up a first for Palmer??? If I didn't know any better...nah.

R.I.P Al.

I'm sure it was that and not the two first round picks the Bengals will be receiving.

 

[Raider Nation]

DHB is about to explode once Carson gets comfy

let me guess... you are an DHB owner

I missed that post earlier, but he's absolutely right.

 

[Clinton]

Draft picks are for the birds.

And now for the Bengals.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Better deal than the Cardinals made for Kevin Kolb

Wish the Cardinals would have just admitted this mistake and taken anything close to this from the Raiders. I think they're a darkhorse Suck for Luck contender.

 

[ThePittbully]

Regardless of whether draft picks are a sure thing or not, this is a bad trade. The Raiders aren't going to the Super Bowl, and anything short of that is a failure when you're talking about giving up 2 first round picks

 

[Bruno2]

Ok...The Raiders overpaid for Palmer, great trade for the Bengals. But looking at it from the Raiders' point of view, what else were they going to do? Just roll with Boller, Edwards (if they brought him back) and Pryor and take their 4-2 start and throw it away? Garrard needs back surgery, Vince Young is not a starting caliber QB or else he would be starting somewhere and if they liked Edwards they would have kept him in the first place. They are 4-2 in a weak division which they swept last year, can we blame them for believing they can win now and make the playoffs? They have no real GM, and clearly Hue Jax pulled the strings in this deal to get the best available QB (in his mind). You can blame them for having no depth at QB but the fact of the matter is their hands are tied and had to do something or else run the risk of tanking after a promising start. A lot of you piling on act like 1st round draft picks are golden, there's still a lot of risk involved, we are all pretty knowledgeable here, we know lots of 1st round draft picks bust out or don't live up to expectations. They took a big risk here no doubt. Sometimes risks pay off, sometimes they don't. I'm reserving judgement until I see how well Palmer plays, if he's garbage, then the Raiders deserve all the ridicule, if he pans out and the Raiders are playoff contenders for a season two, people will forget all about the trade, just like the Seymore deal a couple years ago.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Maybe the Raiders will now move Aaron Pryor to TE where he belongs.

 

[scott72]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

Last team to do that? RAIDERS in 86 when they didn't have a pick in the first 5 rounds..

 

[Raider Nation]

@mortreport

Chris Mortensen

Carson Palmer is in Bay Area getting physical, expects to pass and then paperwork will be finalized to NFL

 

[QuizGuy66]

If the Raiders win A playoff game, it's a first. Otherwise, a second.

Okay so it's a First this year and a Second next year. Still ridiculous value for Palmer.-QG

 

[Walton Goggins]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

I'm certainly not a fan of giving up even one first-round pick for Palmer, but Oakland is likely to be picking in the bottom half of the first round for the next few years. There are no guarantees that first-round picks will be a success, especially ones at the back half of the round. But still, this deal was short-sighted. Anything short of a Super Bowl appearance in the next two years renders this a bad deal. And unless our defense has a miraculous transformation, that is not a reality.

And? Go back and look at recent drafts, a good amount of solid/star players that were had in the later part of the first round.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Most exciting comeback since Favre.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Mike Brown deserves major props for not giving into a guy who quit on his team and then making a move when he was offered the absolute maximum. Still don't understand how anyone could have sided with Palmer on this. Guy just walked out on his teammates. Even worse, he decided to quit on the best Bengal team in years! His not being on the team probably has something to do it's success. So if the Raiders don't make the moves that brainiac Carson believes they should, will he quit on them? Terrible move by the Raiders to give a king's ransom for a quitter. Watch that team go right in the toilet now.

Didn't hear a ton of supportive comments from hi ex-Bengals teammates, 'tis true.-QG

 

[cvnpoka]

I would worry less about his arm strength, I think he still has plenty of arm. But he plays scared. Any clutter around his legs he gets happy feet, doesn't plant and sails balls high, begging to be picked off. His problem's are more psychological than physical IMO.

finally someone said it. ive noticed this as well.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I would worry less about his arm strength, I think he still has plenty of arm. But he plays scared. Any clutter around his legs he gets happy feet, doesn't plant and sails balls high, begging to be picked off. His problem's are more psychological than physical IMO.

finally someone said it. ive noticed this as well.

Yeah, he totally lost faith in the o-line in recent years - not sure if that really was the o-lines fault or if it was the Kimo incident playing way in the back of his mind (or the broken nose he got against the Giants). It'll be interesting to see if this goes away and if he's willing to step up in the pocket on a new team.Luckily the Raiders have fast receivers so maybe they catch those balls that sail high -QG

 

[bengalbuck]

This is a good trade for both teams.

I haven't even seen it mentioned yet in this thread, but a huge part of the Bengals problems last year was terrible play calling by an awful OC in Bob Bratkowski. On the HBO show inside the NFL, they had the Ravens mic'd up and they were basically saying they knew which plays were coming because the Bengals offense was so predictable.

Combine the bad coaching with an OL that really struggled and a terrible group of WRs, and Palmer has a lot of legitimate reasons as to why he struggled last season. The advanced metrics mostly bear this out as Palmer was about average. I suspect he will bounce back and be a top 15 QB over the next 5 years.

From the Raiders perspective, an above average starting QB in his prime is easily worth a mid-late 1st and a future 2nd.

From the Bengals perspective, this was basically something for nothing as the team had moved on from Carson. The Bengals now have 9 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 2 seasons. With a pretty talented young roster with fewer holes than most outsiders realize, we've got a chance at putting together a really nice team going forward.

 

[sycamore]

It would be fair value if we were talking about Carson Palmer at the apex of his career. Clearly, that isn't the case. Palmer's arm strength isn't close to what it used to be.

Have you seen him throw recently? Do you have a link to a report about how his arm strength "isn't close" to what it used to be?

 

[sharptongued1]

Did the Raiders also get a jar or marinara sauce in this deal? Cuz Palmer's spaghetti shoulder is going to be pretty bland without it.

Why don't we wait and see. I'll put up my 'Ochcosuckos suckage at route running' vs your 'Palmer's spaghetti shoulder'.

"Ochosucko" didn't have the price tag of two first round draft picks either.

 

[Captain Hook]

As a Raiders fan im ok with the choice of QB ...but the price was too steep...maybe 1 first round pick(a second round pick would have been more in line) but TWO first round picks ????

It's one first round pick, with the conditions of the second not made public yet.

NOT true - it is a 1st in 2012 and a second that could be a 1st in 2013 - per Mort on ESPN live

 

[Breesisdaman]

Most exciting comeback since Favre.

Most exciting comeback since Brees, Farve wasnt all that exciting unless you get into interceptions and texted body parts.

 

[wazoo11]

So uh its not al davis making the bad decisions?

 

[Sweet Love]

At worst it's a first and a second. As a Bengals fan, I am ecstatic. Hell hath frozen over and Mike Brown ended up making the right move and making out like a bandit.

I have not gone through the whole thread, so I am not sure whether this has been stated, but when Mike Brown chooses to trade someone, it is usually because he feels he will make out big time or that player is at the end of their rope. You look at some of the recent decisions with skilled players (not resigning Housh, moving Ocho, and now Palmer) and he only will move those players when he feels he has people in place that are as good or better. Even the trade of Dillon was orchestrated only after he knew he had a RB in Rudi...then Rudi is gone and he fades away, just like the rest.I am not saying this is the right way to do it (he did leave a 1st on the table when he did not move Ocho a few years back to the Skins, but it does show a pattern. Whem Mike Brown says, OK, lets trade", as a GM, you better watch out because you likely will get the short end of the deal.