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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)

sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.
Waiting for Hunter to come out and say he want's to be a WR. As you pointed out, WR is a much more lucrative pay scale than CB. Not like Hunter has no part of the decision in this situation.

Perhaps I'm inventing this with all the news that that's been coming out, but didn't Travis say, or at least imply he sees himself as more of a CB?
I know he wants to do both full time(won't happen), but I feel like I remember this from somewhere
Most articles I have seen states he wants to play both and thinks he can do it full time on both sides. While that would be amazing, hard enough to play one position full time in the NFL, so that isn't happening.

More money as a WR assuming he ends up being a top 10 type of player at that position. Longevity is better too. If he had to choose one from a financial standpoint, you would think it would be WR.
 

Perhaps I'm inventing this with all the news that that's been coming out, but didn't Travis say, or at least imply he sees himself as more of a CB?
I know he wants to do both full time(won't happen), but I feel like I remember this from somewhere
Most articles I have seen states he wants to play both and thinks he can do it full time on both sides. While that would be amazing, hard enough to play one position full time in the NFL, so that isn't happening.

More money as a WR assuming he ends up being a top 10 type of player at that position. Longevity is better too. If he had to choose one from a financial standpoint, you would think it would be WR.
Yup I'm on this train as well. I also don't doubt his desire to play both positions and make history as the best two way player of all time in the NFL; I just think it will wind up the same as Garretts desire to play for a contender and DKs desire to play in warm weather. We saw how those worked out lol. End of the day money talks and desires walk.

I'm sure Travis has people in his corner who are already playing the balancing act between not squashing his dreams but letting him know the difficulties of not just playing 2 ways, but being elite 2 ways, as well as the revenue implications, and like Crippler pointed out the career longevity of WR vs CB. It will be better for him, and probably whatever team takes him, to focus on and excel at one spot then be just above average at two.

Regardless, unless there is a very definitive thing put out there by the team that drafts him about him being a full time WR, I won't even think of drafting him till the late 2nd round at the earliest. IOW, I likely won't own him anywhere.
 
Part 1, WR: Tetairoa McMillan, and then... what? (Paywall article)

Excerpt from the free part of the article:

Colorado’s Travis Hunter, who will be included with the cornerbacks, generally is ranked as the No. 1 prospect at both positions.

“He’s dynamite,” one scout said. “He’s something else. As a receiver, he’s quick as (bleep). He can cut. I mean, explosive. His hands are rare, rare, rare. I don’t know if I’ve seen someone catch the ball like he does.

“I’d go Hunter and then (Tetairoa) McMillan, then there’s a huge dropoff. The rest are second-rounders, at best. At best.
 
If he goes to the Patriots, I’ll be taking him (hopefully) at the 1.05 in my rookie draft.
If he's drafted by any team who plans to use him as a fulltime WR, I think he's not making it past 1.3. Beyond the obvious talent, he's just too big a name, and coming off a rare non-QB Heisman.

ETA: In the last 30 years only 8 Heisman winner haven't been QBs. Eddie George, Charles Woodson, Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, and DeVonta Smith. All but Dayne had good NFL careers, and one could argue DeVonta Smith's Heisman is mildly tainted due to guys sitting out due to COVID.
 
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If he goes to the Patriots, I’ll be taking him (hopefully) at the 1.05 in my rookie draft.
If he's drafted by any team who plans to use him as a fulltime WR, I think he's not making it past 1.3. Beyond the obvious talent, he's just too big a name, and coming off a rare non-QB Heisman.

ETA: In the last 30 years only 8 Heisman winner haven't been QBs. Eddie George, Charles Woodson, Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, and DeVonta Smith. All but Dayne had good NFL careers, and one could argue DeVonta Smith's Heisman is mildly tainted due to guys sitting out due to COVID.
Oh of course, I’m just banking on knowing my 20yr+ dynasty league - RB’s are king, and with this years class, and the uncertainty around Travis Hunters usage - I’m thinking he will fall to the 1.05

There’s a few dudes in our league that will not view the Patriots situation as a good one -
 
Knowing if he would be a full-time wide receiver would be nice. It would be a bummer to draft a wide receiver who turns out to cover your other wide receivers instead of catching passes.:tfp:
 
@scoutdnfl
Travis Hunter’s 2 Biggest Strengths at WR:

1. Ball Skills: his hand-eye coordination, vertical athleticism, and aerial-adjustment ability is among the best I’ve ever seen

2. Speed Deception: his ability to deceive you with speed, adjust his pace, and kill you on start/stop

[1] Travis Hunter (#Colorado)

Height: 6’0
Weight: 188 lbs

DNA: Justin Jefferson, Garrett Wilson, Chad Johnson, Devonta Smith
 
Knowing if he would be a full-time wide receiver would be nice. It would be a bummer to draft a wide receiver who turns out to cover your other wide receivers instead of catching passes.:tfp:
😂 Sitting on your bench breaking up that 40-yd TD pass to your WR1 would be insult to injury.
 
Matt Harmon
NEW Travis Hunter's #ReceptionPerception is now up on the site 🔥

Highlights:
- 92nd percentile success rate vs. man
- 97th percentile success rate vs. zone
- 97th percentile success rate vs. press
- Rare catching ability
- Frequently makes the first defenders miss after the catch

Simply put, while I'm not foolish enough to say for sure where he ends up playing between CB and WR, Hunter is an elite wide receiver prospect. Full profile:
receptionperception.com/travis-hunter-…
 
Matt Harmon
NEW Travis Hunter's #ReceptionPerception is now up on the site 🔥

Highlights:
- 92nd percentile success rate vs. man
- 97th percentile success rate vs. zone
- 97th percentile success rate vs. press
- Rare catching ability
- Frequently makes the first defenders miss after the catch

Simply put, while I'm not foolish enough to say for sure where he ends up playing between CB and WR, Hunter is an elite wide receiver prospect. Full profile:
receptionperception.com/travis-hunter-…
This full Harmon write up is killing me.... goes on to say it's the best profile he's had on a WR since peak ODB and that he's likely to have Hunter among Chase, Harrison, Smith, Odunze, Nabers in his stacked prospect ranks. Basically, elite tier WR who was excellent to elite in just about everything; route running, release, zone, man, press, ball skills, contested catches, missed tackles forced, YAC.... It's getting harder and harder to pass on him in the late 1st round. Feels like one of those players/situations we look back at a year from now and say "well duh, look at his numbers/metrics/tape. How dumb would a team have to be to not have him starting at WR?" especially if he goes to a place like NE who has 0 weapons to go with what looked like a very solid young QB.
 
Ok, so at what point do you think we'll KNOW what position he's playing? this is massive to know for ppl picking in the top 3
 
I think whoever drafts him, whatever they say about him immediately post dract, eventually realises he's a top tier WR in the making, Hunter himself realises once he's among NFL players that he's got more chance of being one of the leagues premium players if he focuses on being a WR, and everyone sort of decides to put the two way stuff to bed.
 
Ok, so at what point do you think we'll KNOW what position he's playing? this is massive to know for ppl picking in the top 3
Honestly, even if we heard something at the draft, I think it could easily change come training camp/preseason. When an HC/OC/WR coach/QB sees him running circles around the rest of the teams starting WRs, it's going to be really difficult to not keep him on the field basically 100% of the time. Or the first game where they are losing and keep taking him off the field on offensive drives to "save him" for defense... how is that explained in the post game presser, let alone to ownership.

I'm just wildly torn on it. I still find it near impossible to believe he can play both. But after watching more tape, reading Harmon's write up and other scouting reports, seeing him get comped to both Devonta Smith AND Darius Slay... maybe he is just that once in a lifetime player who will be able to do both. End of the day, you need offense to win games. And even from a business standpoint, offense sells tickets and jerseys to a degree defense just never will.

At this point in the process of rookie draft prep, I do think I'd rather be the guy who misses by taking him, then misses by letting him pass me by. I've done a near 180 on him from where I was a month or two ago, which historically hasn't yielded great results for me though haha.
 
I've been hellbent on him being a CB in the NFL ... But im starting to come around to the fact that the money factor might be too strong to ignore.

Still haven't changed my mind that he'll play on 1 side of the ball tho (a few plays per game aside)
 
I've seen him mocked between picks 5 and 9, at that price I think I'm out
He’s almost certainly top-3 by the time training camp starts, because this dude is playing WR.

The real question is IF he plays WR full time, should he be 1.01 in PPR leagues?
In my opinion, no, not even close.
When he’s a full time WR, who do you take ahead of him?
I have to imagine most people are going Jeanty regardless. In the back of people’s mind will be the slight concern of him switching gears at some point or maybe splitting duties to some degree.
 
I've seen him mocked between picks 5 and 9, at that price I think I'm out
He’s almost certainly top-3 by the time training camp starts, because this dude is playing WR.

The real question is IF he plays WR full time, should he be 1.01 in PPR leagues?
In my opinion, no, not even close.
When he’s a full time WR, who do you take ahead of him?
I have to imagine most people are going Jeanty regardless. In the back of people’s mind will be the slight concern of him switching gears at some point or maybe splitting duties to some degree.
I could see that. But the poster I replied to said “not even close.” That implies Hunter would be much lower…….and I can’t see him dropping past 1.03 in non-SuperFlex tbh.
 
I've seen him mocked between picks 5 and 9, at that price I think I'm out
He’s almost certainly top-3 by the time training camp starts, because this dude is playing WR.

The real question is IF he plays WR full time, should he be 1.01 in PPR leagues?
In my opinion, no, not even close.
When he’s a full time WR, who do you take ahead of him?
I have to imagine most people are going Jeanty regardless. In the back of people’s mind will be the slight concern of him switching gears at some point or maybe splitting duties to some degree.
I could see that. But the poster I replied to said “not even close.” That implies Hunter would be much lower…….and I can’t see him dropping past 1.03 in non-SuperFlex tbh.
I think depends how much we know as FF drafts start. I guess I do not share your certainty that he is playing full-time WR.
 
I’ve been on the (choo choo) train for this guy and the connecting/transfer WR train since the beginning just because of talent and economics. But I never saw Harmon’s rating coming. I knew a lot of draft guys were moving him to first WR off the board (and that makes sense) but didn’t see an earnest OBJ/Chase/Nabers comparison like people seem to be making.

That said, I’m not sure there is a way, unless the team that drafts him gives you a reason by announcing that he will be a WR primarily, that you can take him over Jeanty or Hampton given RB scarcity everywhere. These are three-down backs and we don’t even know Hunter’s position. This is if you draft in May, by the way.

But if he falls past 1.02 or 1.03 or so (Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson depending on landing spot) in the first round of my IDP dynasty draft, you can bet I’m trying to trade into the first round to take him. I’m thinking past the 1.01 and 1.02, depending. Maybe not even the 1.02, so scratch what I said about Hampton.

This is all highly dependent on new information. I have the 1.01 in one of my two leagues. We draft the second or third week of August. If they announce he’s a WR and they back it up in preseason, I’m going to have to give it serious thought given those comps. I’m leaning Jeanty, but I’m WR poor and have three or four starting RBs in a 2RB/3WR league with no flexes, and this draft is RB rich. I have to at least consider him given that. Two generational talents here with differing reasons for the moniker and potential that is off of the charts.

And I don’t mean to gush irrationally or say stupid things that might influence people because of strength of opinion and forcefulness of writing. I’m actually really sort of trying to suss it out still. But that indecision and reevaluation is crossing my mind and where I’m earnestly at right now. It’s no longer Jeanty or bust; there is new information to judge or discern who the BPA is and why that is so (you have to ding Hunter in an offense-only league for playing CB). There are also varying league requirements to consider. In short, it all got a little tougher to decide, but the top of our dynasty drafts got sweeter.
 
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Matt Harmon
NEW Travis Hunter's #ReceptionPerception is now up on the site 🔥

Highlights:
- 92nd percentile success rate vs. man
- 97th percentile success rate vs. zone
- 97th percentile success rate vs. press
- Rare catching ability
- Frequently makes the first defenders miss after the catch

Simply put, while I'm not foolish enough to say for sure where he ends up playing between CB and WR, Hunter is an elite wide receiver prospect. Full profile:
receptionperception.com/travis-hunter-…
This full Harmon write up is killing me.... goes on to say it's the best profile he's had on a WR since peak ODB and that he's likely to have Hunter among Chase, Harrison, Smith, Odunze, Nabers in his stacked prospect ranks. Basically, elite tier WR who was excellent to elite in just about everything; route running, release, zone, man, press, ball skills, contested catches, missed tackles forced, YAC.... It's getting harder and harder to pass on him in the late 1st round. Feels like one of those players/situations we look back at a year from now and say "well duh, look at his numbers/metrics/tape. How dumb would a team have to be to not have him starting at WR?" especially if he goes to a place like NE who has 0 weapons to go with what looked like a very solid young QB.

The YouTube Underguys, Josh and Hayden, also just gushed about him in their YouTube analysis of him. The two WRs they compared him to are Justin Jefferson and Odell Beckham.

It sounds like Travis Hunter might have the potential to become the best wide receiver in the NFL.

If the Browns or Patriots draft him and indicate they plan to make him a full time WR he should probably be a top 2 or 3 pick in 1QB dynasty leagues and a top 2 to 4 pick in Superflex leagues.
 
I've seen him mocked between picks 5 and 9, at that price I think I'm out
He’s almost certainly top-3 by the time training camp starts, because this dude is playing WR.

The real question is IF he plays WR full time, should he be 1.01 in PPR leagues?
In my opinion, no, not even close.
When he’s a full time WR, who do you take ahead of him?
I have to imagine most people are going Jeanty regardless. In the back of people’s mind will be the slight concern of him switching gears at some point or maybe splitting duties to some degree.
I could see that. But the poster I replied to said “not even close.” That implies Hunter would be much lower…….and I can’t see him dropping past 1.03 in non-SuperFlex tbh.
"Not even close" refers mainly to the gap between him and Jeanty. Not necessarily saying there would be a large number of players before him.
 
I’ve been on the (choo choo) train for this guy and the connecting/transfer WR train since the beginning just because of talent and economics.
Still gonna be in on him when he becomes a Brown?

Oof, my friend. Great question. That is certainly a possibility. I stepped back from my over exuberance last night and still have him highly-ranked, but probably behind some guys still. But if he falls in our May draft to like 1.05/6 or so, I think his price point is palatable.

The 1.01 in August is still Jeanty, really. It would take a firm commitment to WR to move off that or even entertain it. But those comps made in earnest by guys that I respect and I think have only steered me wrong once (Harmon with Curtis Samuel) are tough to look at and dismiss.

But yeah, the Browns are almost a death knell.
 
I’ve been on the (choo choo) train for this guy and the connecting/transfer WR train since the beginning just because of talent and economics.
Still gonna be in on him when he becomes a Brown?

Oof, my friend. Great question. That is certainly a possibility. I stepped back from my over exuberance last night and still have him highly-ranked, but probably behind some guys still. But if he falls in our May draft to like 1.05/6 or so, I think his price point is palatable.

The 1.01 in August is still Jeanty, really. It would take a firm commitment to WR to move off that or even entertain it. But those comps made in earnest by guys that I respect and I think have only steered me wrong once (Harmon with Curtis Samuel) are tough to look at and dismiss.

But yeah, the Browns are almost a death knell.
I think you can cross him off then.
 
I’ve been on the (choo choo) train for this guy and the connecting/transfer WR train since the beginning just because of talent and economics.
Still gonna be in on him when he becomes a Brown?

Oof, my friend. Great question. That is certainly a possibility. I stepped back from my over exuberance last night and still have him highly-ranked, but probably behind some guys still. But if he falls in our May draft to like 1.05/6 or so, I think his price point is palatable.

The 1.01 in August is still Jeanty, really. It would take a firm commitment to WR to move off that or even entertain it. But those comps made in earnest by guys that I respect and I think have only steered me wrong once (Harmon with Curtis Samuel) are tough to look at and dismiss.

But yeah, the Browns are almost a death knell.
I think you can cross him off then.

Really? What makes you say that? I think you're generally really dialed in, so what's the smoke around the fire?
 
Really? What makes you say that? I think you're generally really dialed in, so what's the smoke around the fire?
This team hasn't drafted a top offensive skill position player in almost a decade - Njoku 29 and Chubb 33 the better part of a decade ago is the closest we get. As is, this defense can win, this offense can't. We all saw what the Eagles did, but this is an offensive league first. He will be either a great WR or CB. He could be a unicorn and be great at both. When you don't have the QB, improve the talent around them, this will also help the QB when you identify him. And above all else, exceptional human being, very intelligent, and loves football.

If I'm wrong, so be it, but he's going to be the pick.
 
Ya can't forget the earlier quote that he'd like to play WR if he had to pick and yesterday that he only worked out as a WR.

I consistently read of a mature "good boy" and am impressed. I don't doubt the kid will play wherever he's told to. I wonder about playing him where he isn't happiest.
I think he'll put in a lot of work at whatever position during an off-season and study however much is necessary. Idk if he'll do any extra?

After his rookie contract is he gonna walk to play WR with another team?

We all were predicting weird stuff Deion might do with his son' draft; even went as far as would he be like Arch and Eli and say he won't play for a team? Hunter is adored by Deion. Absolutely adored. I'm wondering now if Deion doesn't get involved in this WR/CB stuff.

Again, Hunter seems so great such a good boy so I don't expect him to say or do anything negative but at some point the dad stuff/leader stuff what's best for him vibe needs to be considered. I just don't have any guesses as to how it'll play out
 
Todd McShay
Not sure how I missed these nugget’s on Travis Hunter but wanted to share ICYMI too…
-He’s just the 8th player EVER to be named consensus first-team All-American and earn any level of Academic All-America honors!
-In 2024, Hunter earned Academic All-America first team honors for 2nd-consecutive year w/ a 3.79 GPA (anthropology major).
-He’s just the 3rd Heisman winner to earn Academic All-American 1st-team status, joining Florida Heisman winner’s Danny Wuerffel (1996) and Tim Tebow (2007).
 
From Bob McGinn’s draft series, in which he interviews NFL scouts and executives -

Six executives in personnel were split on Hunter’s best position. Three said wide receiver, three said cornerback. He is the top-graded player at each spot.
What they were in agreement on is that Hunter wouldn’t be able to log the 150 or so snaps from scrimmage that he did for the Buffaloes at an effective and injury-free level in the NFL.
 

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