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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (2 Viewers)

Just like with Deion Sanders. People said he was a two way player but he wasn't...he was a gimmick player. Of course he was a defensive stud, but he didn't really play a lot of WR. He focused on defense and was used on offense sparingly to take advantage of his speed and shiftiness (he also returned kicks/punts). Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
 
warpig33 said:
Just like with Deion Sanders. People said he was a two way player but he wasn't...he was a gimmick player. Of course he was a defensive stud, but he didn't really play a lot of WR. He focused on defense and was used on offense sparingly to take advantage of his speed and shiftiness (he also returned kicks/punts). Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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It feels like there will be a bit of sunk cost fallacy with the Jaguars for a bit with them continuing to use him both ways. Because if they stick him to just one position so soon, it would be an admission of defeat. Hunter’s value as a WR or as a CB alone are not worth the picks and guaranteed money they spent to get him.
 
warpig33 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
osubuckeyeman said:
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
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Nice use of stats but what is this about?
Why am I reading a detailed breakdown of the Bucs offense?

-"DUUUVAAAL" I get it that Liam is coming across I-4 and over to Jacksonville but I want to point out something you leave out of these nifty stats
It puts all the glory on Liam Coen, let me share that Mike Evans was Hall of Fame BEFORE Liam Coen arrived and Godwin was a terrific WR BEFORE Liam was the OC

But even more than that, let's add this to the mix because it's rather important
LT- Tristan Whirfs - NFL All Pro, Top 3-5 Left Tackle
C - Graham Barton - Was a high drafted rookie last year that played T/G in college and Bucs converted him to Center. Stabilized the middle of the OL and helped Bucky breakout
RG- Cody Mauch (nice front teeth) - He had a terrific 2nd season last year and took a step towards becoming a premier IOL. Barton/Mauch "A" gap is quite promising
RT- Luke Goedeke - Ranked 27th/81 starting Tackles in the NFL, his best season thus far. 2nd Rd in '22, contract year for him, lot to play for
LG- Ben Bredeson - A below Avg Left Guard, weakest starter on the OL but he is sandwiched between Whirfs and Barton, but clearly the weakest link right now

Should we line that up vs what the Jags roll out their as the starting OL?
I went up and down their starters from last season and they mostly grade out average to below average, they don't have an All Pro anywhere close to Whirfs.
The Tackles allow Baker Mayfield to drop back and make those pretty passes, I'm of the mindset a lot of QBs would have success in Tampa Bay right now.
Watch what you are hitching your wagon to, the OL difference is going to severely limit what Liam can implement over in DUUUVAAAL
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Ugh, that Jags O-line is :poop:. And all they took in the draft was a middle round guard and a Center in the 7th I believe. I don't mind the Hunter pick, but damn they needed help on the offensive front. Probably yet another mediocre year from T-Law.
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And this was early May and part of our concern for Hunter as.a rookie
I never understood the hype around him at Wide Receiver but its still very early in his career
He's available in a couple redrafts I'm in - WR72 right now
 
the moops said:
warpig33 said:
Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Writing a guy off after 3 games seems unwise
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You're right, it would have been wise to figure out this guy was a bust much earlier than 3 games except...
Some of us wrote him off before he even stepped on the field this year if you scroll up
3 weeks is like 1/4 of the FF regular season, how much time do you wait?
 
Ministry of Pain said:
the moops said:
warpig33 said:
Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Writing a guy off after 3 games seems unwise
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You're right, it would have been wise to figure out this guy was a bust much earlier than 3 games except...
Some of us wrote him off before he even stepped on the field this year if you scroll up
3 weeks is like 1/4 of the FF regular season, how much time do you wait?
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I wasn't talking about fantasy, and neither was the person I responded to.
 
the moops said:
warpig33 said:
Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Writing a guy off after 3 games seems unwise
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:ponder: Who said anything about writing him off? He's a hell of a FOOTBALL PLAYER! They just need to designate him a WR OR CB and let him focus and continue to get better. It's not helping him or the franchise at this point. And historically, it won't work out. I'm a jags fan and by proxy a Hunter fan. I'm rooting for him to be good!
 
warpig33 said:
Just like with Deion Sanders. People said he was a two way player but he wasn't...he was a gimmick player. Of course he was a defensive stud, but he didn't really play a lot of WR. He focused on defense and was used on offense sparingly to take advantage of his speed and shiftiness (he also returned kicks/punts). Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Don't really get it. I haven't seen their games, just looking at stats, but nothing jumps out as "instant bust". He's playing a small majority of snaps on both sides of the ball, don't know if he's had any major miscues.
 
He was drafted in the first round (I think at 1.09?) in one of my redraft leagues this season by someone whom I consider to be a normally savvy owner. This is a start 1 IDP league where defensive players are eligible for offensive scoring/points. I guess the owner thought it would be a major advantage at the IDP position. Hasn't worked out so well so far for the owner.
 
dickey moe said:
He was drafted in the first round (I think at 1.09?) in one of my redraft leagues this season by someone whom I consider to be a normally savvy owner. This is a start 1 IDP league where defensive players are eligible for offensive scoring/points. I guess the owner thought it would be a major advantage at the IDP position. Hasn't worked out so well so far for the owner.
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Me: I don't think that's a big deal? Going okay enough so far.

Me: WAIT, REDRAFT???
 
eighsse2 said:
warpig33 said:
Just like with Deion Sanders. People said he was a two way player but he wasn't...he was a gimmick player. Of course he was a defensive stud, but he didn't really play a lot of WR. He focused on defense and was used on offense sparingly to take advantage of his speed and shiftiness (he also returned kicks/punts). Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Don't really get it. I haven't seen their games, just looking at stats, but nothing jumps out as "instant bust". He's playing a small majority of snaps on both sides of the ball, don't know if he's had any major miscues.
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I haven't watched all of his games either but have heard several sports personalities with similar takes on what they've seen so far. Mainly on defense his skills aren't jumping off the screen at them that he has elite corner skills. His tackling isn't great and he needs to be more physical.

On offense he's a very talented athlete that doesn't currently understand the nuances of the WR position. Plenty of talented WRs have washed out of the NFL because they couldn't figure out the little things.

So right now he is an average player on both sides of the ball with a lot to learn and the reality is he probably won't master either craft playing both sides of the ball.
 
Max Power said:
eighsse2 said:
warpig33 said:
Just like with Deion Sanders. People said he was a two way player but he wasn't...he was a gimmick player. Of course he was a defensive stud, but he didn't really play a lot of WR. He focused on defense and was used on offense sparingly to take advantage of his speed and shiftiness (he also returned kicks/punts). Jags need to put Hunter at CB OR WR...not both. It doesn't work at this level. But as has been mentioned adnauseam, the Jags are a bad franchise.
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Don't really get it. I haven't seen their games, just looking at stats, but nothing jumps out as "instant bust". He's playing a small majority of snaps on both sides of the ball, don't know if he's had any major miscues.
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I haven't watched all of his games either but have heard several sports personalities with similar takes on what they've seen so far. Mainly on defense his skills aren't jumping off the screen at them that he has elite corner skills. His tackling isn't great and he needs to be more physical.

On offense he's a very talented athlete that doesn't currently understand the nuances of the WR position. Plenty of talented WRs have washed out of the NFL because they couldn't figure out the little things.

So right now he is an average player on both sides of the ball with a lot to learn and the reality is he probably won't master either craft playing both sides of the ball.
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I said exact same thing. He seems like just an average player on both offense n defense. Nothing special.

He's one of those guys that dominates college kids,but has hard time doing same against the big boys..

If he just focused on wr,maybe he'd be a very good wr in 3 years...he needs time to develope like many wide outs who enter the league.
3 years old sed to be the norm for a breakout. Too many expected a Chase,Nabers lite.
 
So I have no insight into what’s going on with this guy, but it seems like ~5 targets a game and 30-40 yards.

Does he ever go deep?

Do they take shots with him at all?

Is he just playing more D?

TIA
 
OU#1 said:
So I have no insight into what’s going on with this guy, but it seems like ~5 targets a game and 30-40 yards.

Does he ever go deep?

Do they take shots with him at all?

Is he just playing more D?

TIA
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does anyone go deep in that offense? BTjr owners going crazy
 
I am not sure what the Jags are doing. It does look a team invested too high in him with and I am not really sure they have the QB or gameplan to maximize his talents. To top it off they really like to run the ball and appear to have two backs capable of doing it well. They are winning so they are not going to switch it up much is my opinion.
 
HC Coen on why Travis Hunter only played WR in 2nd half, via @MiaOBrienTV:

“Personal decision that had to do with a few things we’ll keep in-house for now.”
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meanwhile, here is Travis Hunter making an incredible 28-yard catch on 3rd and 15

played just 38 of 68 offensive snaps
9 of 66 defensive snaps

as the 2nd overall pick, he needs to be near full-time in *something*
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stillfeelme said:
I am not sure what the Jags are doing. It does look a team invested too high in him with and I am not really sure they have the QB or gameplan to maximize his talents. To top it off they really like to run the ball and appear to have two backs capable of doing it well. They are winning so they are not going to switch it up much is my opinion.
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Waste of bench space.I drop him last week. I'd rather have a lotto rb ticket than this over hyped player.

He just looks very good on both sides of ball,but nothing special like a Nabers,Chase,Odonze or Buka,But more of a Jordan Addison,Josh Downs type wr that might get you a good game here n there..
 
zeeshan2 said:
HC Coen on why Travis Hunter only played WR in 2nd half, via @MiaOBrienTV:

“Personal decision that had to do with a few things we’ll keep in-house for now.”
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meanwhile, here is Travis Hunter making an incredible 28-yard catch on 3rd and 15

played just 38 of 68 offensive snaps
9 of 66 defensive snaps

as the 2nd overall pick, he needs to be near full-time in *something*
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saw that catch on a better angle on Insta... was not a catch and TLaw with the hospital ball
 
With all the WR injuries this past weekend & bye's now here, does this guy have any value at all?

Even in full PPR leagues, he's yet to crack double-digits...
 
Coen's genius game planning: "Lets just hand it off to ETN"

:ROFLMAO:

It's effective because T-Law sucks and they gave up Waaaay too much for a draft pick they aren't using.
 
I'm so confused...and I'm sure Travis is too. Dude was a lockdown CB in college and now he's benched?! They are dicking this kid around. Such a terribly ran franchise.
 
warpig33 said:
I'm so confused...and I'm sure Travis is too. Dude was a lockdown CB in college and now he's benched?! They are dicking this kid around. Such a terribly ran franchise.
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We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I'm sure there was a reason he got benched and probably giving him some tough love.
 
Ryan Clark
Travis Hunter & the Jaguars need to make a decision.

He will be more impactful full time on one side than moonlighting on both. I rather give him every snap as 1 thing to make a play than hope the chance comes when I choose to have him out there as 2.

BTW. It should be defense.
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I stand by this after watching more film. Jaguars have to let go of their predraft theories, & forget what they gave up to get Travis Hunter. He’s a corner. Let him work at it, master it, & grow.

He can build muscle, gain knowledge, & NFL repetition. Work him in at WR gradually.
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If the Jags thought he would be making an impact on both sides of the ball then the GM and the whole scouting staff should be fired
right away

Only team I have ever seen trade up to "get their guy" and not use him franchise is laughable!

WR picked in the top 5 almost always make an impact right away their first season
 
I agree with a lot of ex-NFL players saying Hunter should be full-time CB and just play package WR. Full-time WR and package DB isn't going to work nearly as well. Half and half doing both is a disaster.

It's the reason I essentially took Hunter off my board in FF. He could make an impact at WR, but a package guy (like 3rd downs and RZ) isn't going to have enough production to be worthy of a heavy FF investment.
 
Jags are perpetually a bad franchise. Is it the coaches making these calls or the GM? Just doesn't make any damn sense. Game plan to get this guy on the field because HE CAN BE A DIFFERENCE MAKER! My faith in Coen is waning. Also need to move on from Lawrence. I want a guy in there that is a fiery leader. That's what the franchise needs! And it doesn't appear to have any leaders.
 
I drafted him at 7.01 this year and was pretty stoked to get him there. I dumped him yesterday for a RB flyer in Demercado and don't feel the least bit like I shouldn't have done that
 
What has gone on with Hunter, who is super talented and could make a difference most likely at WR right now, is 100%
on the Gm and coach with their poor plan and use of the #2 pick At this point he has been a complete waste of a pick
due to the franchise bungling the use of his talent

Bad teams do this over and over, which is why they are bad.

The Jags may be 3-1 but their offense stinks, they have been winning with defense, turnovers, and just enough from the run game to win
They have been lucky as turnovers are fluky, if a team has a bad passing game it will catch up to them

Totally unimpressed with Coen and his offense so far from what I have seen
He is not putting his player's in the best position to succeed, especially Lawrence and his short comings
 
Guss said:
What has gone on with Hunter, who is super talented and could make a difference most likely at WR right now, is 100%
on the Gm and coach with their poor plan and use of the #2 pick At this point he has been a complete waste of a pick
due to the franchise bungling the use of his talent

Bad teams do this over and over, which is why they are bad.

The Jags may be 3-1 but their offense stinks, they have been winning with defense, turnovers, and just enough from the run game to win
They have been lucky as turnovers are fluky, if a team has a bad passing game it will catch up to them

Totally unimpressed with Coen and his offense so far from what I have seen
He is not putting his player's in the best position to succeed, especially Lawrence and his short comings
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Several people on this board (me included) tried to warn people of the danger with Hunter not being fantasy relevant as a WR. Will it stay that way? maybe not, but I think a lot of those who drafted him early in rookie drafts threw caution to the wind. For me personally,I had him rated more towards the bottom of the first or early 2nd in rookie drafts. All 1qb leagues.
 
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JohnnyU said:
Guss said:
What has gone on with Hunter, who is super talented and could make a difference most likely at WR right now, is 100%
on the Gm and coach with their poor plan and use of the #2 pick At this point he has been a complete waste of a pick
due to the franchise bungling the use of his talent

Bad teams do this over and over, which is why they are bad.

The Jags may be 3-1 but their offense stinks, they have been winning with defense, turnovers, and just enough from the run game to win
They have been lucky as turnovers are fluky, if a team has a bad passing game it will catch up to them

Totally unimpressed with Coen and his offense so far from what I have seen
He is not putting his player's in the best position to succeed, especially Lawrence and his short comings
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Several people on this board (me included) tried to warn people of the danger with Hunter not being fantasy relevant as a WR. Will it stay that way? maybe not, but I think a lot of those who drafted him early in rookie drafts threw caution to the wind. For me personally,I had him rated more towards the bottom of the first or early 2nd in rookie drafts. All 1qb leagues.
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I didn't listen. Coen coming to town and trading the farm away to get him sealed the deal. Far better landing spot than Cleveland it seemed. Very comfortable being wrong on this one.

Still holding for now and offered a trade to acquire in one league because I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Still think if he gets moved to WR only like what happened 2nd half last week, it could lead to becoming the #1 in the 2nd half of the season
 
H8fulHuck said:
JohnnyU said:
Guss said:
What has gone on with Hunter, who is super talented and could make a difference most likely at WR right now, is 100%
on the Gm and coach with their poor plan and use of the #2 pick At this point he has been a complete waste of a pick
due to the franchise bungling the use of his talent

Bad teams do this over and over, which is why they are bad.

The Jags may be 3-1 but their offense stinks, they have been winning with defense, turnovers, and just enough from the run game to win
They have been lucky as turnovers are fluky, if a team has a bad passing game it will catch up to them

Totally unimpressed with Coen and his offense so far from what I have seen
He is not putting his player's in the best position to succeed, especially Lawrence and his short comings
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Several people on this board (me included) tried to warn people of the danger with Hunter not being fantasy relevant as a WR. Will it stay that way? maybe not, but I think a lot of those who drafted him early in rookie drafts threw caution to the wind. For me personally,I had him rated more towards the bottom of the first or early 2nd in rookie drafts. All 1qb leagues.
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I didn't listen. Coen coming to town and trading the farm away to get him sealed the deal. Far better landing spot than Cleveland it seemed. Very comfortable being wrong on this one.

Still holding for now and offered a trade to acquire in one league because I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Still think if he gets moved to WR only like what happened 2nd half last week, it could lead to becoming the #1 in the 2nd half of the season
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It really boils down to pick a position and stick with it and try to become an all-pro at it. My thoughts during draft season was that this would happen and after his rookie contract he may demand to play WR full-time because he can make more money. I'm not sure if that will happen before the end of his rookie contract.
 
Tough situation for those holding, particularly in dynasty. Can’t start him, nobody will trade anything of value for him, but don’t want to drop him because someone will pick him up, and a switch to full-time WR could instantly turn him into a must-start WR with elite upside. That switch come any day, after the bye, next year, or never.
 
satch said:
Tough situation for those holding, particularly in dynasty. Can’t start him, nobody will trade anything of value for him, but don’t want to drop him because someone will pick him up, and a switch to full-time WR could instantly turn him into a must-start WR with elite upside. That switch come any day, after the bye, next year, or never.
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It is my belief that those who drafted him early in rookie drafts had to know this and have the patience. It may take his 2nd contract to become a full-time WR, where he can maximize the value of his contract. If they drafted him without all of this in mind, then I don't know what to say about that.
 
menobrown said:
Got a strong feeling they are going to try really heard to showcase him tonight in prime time….in part to try and silence those critical of the trade.
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Yep me too. Started him in a match I already won but also placed a bet for 3+ receptions. Hoping for a mini coming out party, waiting for this Coen slot receiver thing turning into a slot machine.
 
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