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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)

TL is not good, that was a known thing, Coen's offense is bad also.

He has not helped any of his offensive players by putting them in the best position to succeed
TL has not looked all that good or even better at all

Think it was the player's in Tampa and not Coen that made that offense work
At least that is what it is looking like now

Baker is dealing, actually even better than when Coen was there
Think Coen is a fraud by the looks of it
 
I am not talking about his record, I am talking about Coen's offense

Not the team's record. Honestly they are winning to the defense playing pretty good
Seems like lots of luck with the turnovers also

They are not winning because of the offense
 
I take tonight as a positive for Hunter. He wasn't limited to just running sit down routes out of the slot and played in 2-WR sets. Its been slower than hoped for, but this is still a guy who could be a big deal this season, and likely peaks in the stretch run.
 
Hunter is fun to watch. Looked like a kid having fun playing ball.

He’s killing me in fantasy football but I can’t help but smile watching him play.
 
Guss said:
I am not talking about his record, I am talking about Coen's offense

Not the team's record. Honestly they are winning to the defense playing pretty good
Seems like lots of luck with the turnovers also

They are not winning because of the offense
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They essentially put up 31 pts against a damn good KC defense tonight if you count that fluke Lawerence fumble at the goal line. 🤷‍♂️
 
Per PFF, Hunter played 39 offensive snaps (72% of offensive plays) and 25 defensive snaps. The utilization on offense still isn't there, but seems like the arrow is at least pointing up.
 
Jags look better due to the defense stepping up. And to think, the jags and their "think" tank decided NOT to pick up the 5th year option on Devin Lloyd who leads the league with 4 INTS!!! Bad franchises are gonna bad franchise. They've looked for every excuse to keep Lloyd on the bench.

Lawrence actually ran the ball last night! That was the element that has been missing. For a guy that was supposed to be a dual threat, he never runs. Maybe it was because last night was his birthday and he was feeling a little froggy, but when he runs, he adds another element to the offense and it obviously made a difference. He needs to keep it up and that will open things up for the WRs. Trevor's passing is still inconsistent and makes dumb decisions at times. Even Aikman said Trevor has no clue where he is at on the field in key situations and that is accurate. And then dropping the ball on the goalline. Ugh.

Overall, SOLID win last night and Trevor FINALLY ran the ball and it made a huge difference. Now they need to get Parker Washington and Hunter more involved. Stop forcing Dyami and Tim Patrick out there! They suck!
 
Guss said:
TL is not good, that was a known thing, Coen's offense is bad also.

He has not helped any of his offensive players by putting them in the best position to succeed
TL has not looked all that good or even better at all

Think it was the player's in Tampa and not Coen that made that offense work
At least that is what it is looking like now

Baker is dealing, actually even better than when Coen was there
Think Coen is a fraud by the looks of it
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There was a lot of hubbub this offseason about the systems of Coen, KOC, and Ben Johnson. So far it seems like mostly much ado about nothing, and as has been common lately it's had more to do with the QBs.

Coen - Baker still balling in Tampa, Jags offensive sputtering with Coen
KOC - Darnold now balling in Seattle, JJM looked bad with KOC, Minn offense near bottom 5 in yardage
Johnson - this one more of a wash, Bears offense has been solid but Lions aren't really missing a beat without him
 
FreeBaGeL said:
Guss said:
TL is not good, that was a known thing, Coen's offense is bad also.

He has not helped any of his offensive players by putting them in the best position to succeed
TL has not looked all that good or even better at all

Think it was the player's in Tampa and not Coen that made that offense work
At least that is what it is looking like now

Baker is dealing, actually even better than when Coen was there
Think Coen is a fraud by the looks of it
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There was a lot of hubbub this offseason about the systems of Coen, KOC, and Ben Johnson. So far it seems like mostly much ado about nothing, and as has been common lately it's had more to do with the QBs.

Coen - Baker still balling in Tampa, Jags offensive sputtering with Coen
KOC - Darnold now balling in Seattle, JJM looked bad with KOC, Minn offense near bottom 5 in yardage
Johnson - this one more of a wash, Bears offense has been solid but Lions aren't really missing a beat without him
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On the flip side, Coen/Lawrence have had minimal time to figure out how each other work. What I saw last night tells me that Coen's system is intricate and that TLaw is struggling to translate and get the plays called in a timely manner. I suspect this might be one of those occasions when it takes a full year of running the offense and another offseason to really have them click. I do remember that Johnson's 1st year at DET wasn't stellar and Goff took a while to figure it out.
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Guss said:
TL is not good, that was a known thing, Coen's offense is bad also.

He has not helped any of his offensive players by putting them in the best position to succeed
TL has not looked all that good or even better at all

Think it was the player's in Tampa and not Coen that made that offense work
At least that is what it is looking like now

Baker is dealing, actually even better than when Coen was there
Think Coen is a fraud by the looks of it
Click to expand...

There was a lot of hubbub this offseason about the systems of Coen, KOC, and Ben Johnson. So far it seems like mostly much ado about nothing, and as has been common lately it's had more to do with the QBs.

Coen - Baker still balling in Tampa, Jags offensive sputtering with Coen
KOC - Darnold now balling in Seattle, JJM looked bad with KOC, Minn offense near bottom 5 in yardage
Johnson - this one more of a wash, Bears offense has been solid but Lions aren't really missing a beat without him
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On the flip side, Coen/Lawrence have had minimal time to figure out how each other work. What I saw last night tells me that Coen's system is intricate and that TLaw is struggling to translate and get the plays called in a timely manner. I suspect this might be one of those occasions when it takes a full year of running the offense and another offseason to really have them click. I do remember that Johnson's 1st year at DET wasn't stellar and Goff took a while to figure it out.
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Possibly, honestly I just don't think TL is good enough to get better mentally, have watched him play since he came in the league
and he has not gotten better at processing, he is slow in reading things before and after the snap
He just is not good enough or have the mental tools to be a good QB

He does not see the field very well still, can't process things happening fast enough during a play
How the team is being run is to hide TL Run the ball, play good defense, all to hide a subpar QB
 
Guss said:
InDitkaWeTrust said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Guss said:
TL is not good, that was a known thing, Coen's offense is bad also.

He has not helped any of his offensive players by putting them in the best position to succeed
TL has not looked all that good or even better at all

Think it was the player's in Tampa and not Coen that made that offense work
At least that is what it is looking like now

Baker is dealing, actually even better than when Coen was there
Think Coen is a fraud by the looks of it
Click to expand...

There was a lot of hubbub this offseason about the systems of Coen, KOC, and Ben Johnson. So far it seems like mostly much ado about nothing, and as has been common lately it's had more to do with the QBs.

Coen - Baker still balling in Tampa, Jags offensive sputtering with Coen
KOC - Darnold now balling in Seattle, JJM looked bad with KOC, Minn offense near bottom 5 in yardage
Johnson - this one more of a wash, Bears offense has been solid but Lions aren't really missing a beat without him
Click to expand...
On the flip side, Coen/Lawrence have had minimal time to figure out how each other work. What I saw last night tells me that Coen's system is intricate and that TLaw is struggling to translate and get the plays called in a timely manner. I suspect this might be one of those occasions when it takes a full year of running the offense and another offseason to really have them click. I do remember that Johnson's 1st year at DET wasn't stellar and Goff took a while to figure it out.
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Possibly, honestly I just don't think TL is good enough to get better mentally, have watched him play since he came in the league
and he has not gotten better at processing, he is slow in reading things before and after the snap
He just is not good enough or have the mental tools to be a good QB

He does not see the field very well still, can't process things happening fast enough during a play
How the team is being run is to hide TL Run the ball, play good defense, all to hide a subpar QB
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In some fairness, this is Lawrence's third different regime/coaching staff he's had to deal with (including that initial Urban stench). But at some point, the excuses wear thin and he's clearly just not the generational guy most thought he'd be.
 
I see actual issues with Coen's offense. Coen has blame here IMHO.

Coen gets a ton of credit for being 4-1, but I think it's pretty clear he is not the next Ben Johnson. I don't think the passing games performance to date bodes well for the Jaguars passing game long term, I'm all seller on a Jags passing game components.

Maybe Coen turns it around, it's possible. But for now, it feels like the "Coen is a genius" rhetoric was more hype than truth.
 
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zamboni said:
Per PFF, Hunter played 39 offensive snaps (72% of offensive plays) and 25 defensive snaps. The utilization on offense still isn't there, but seems like the arrow is at least pointing up.
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To tag along with that. Using PFF grades again, the Jags have the #1 coverage defense in the NFL, and the 29th receiving grade. The need at WR is a ton bigger.
 
Hello. I am here because Hunter is out there on waivers in my 10 team .5ppr league and I might be the only one to put in a FAAB tonight.
I knew nothing about him other than the typical trending takes - he splits off/def snaps, no TDs yet, haven’t had a breakout game. Blah blah.
But here I am. After reading this impactful thread. Why I love our Sharkpool.
I think Coen is going to give him even more WR snaps.
TL seems to have a better chemistry with him than BTJ.
They beat Maholmes on Primetime with Hunter making game changing plays as a WR.
Strange is now on IR. He leads them in receiving. They need offensive playmakers.
Unlocking Hunter = unlocking BTJ. Hunter’s ball skills underneath will open the outside.
A defense trying to cover just BTJ far different than covering both Hunter + BTJ together.
As my WR5, it’s a risk I’ll take on that pedigree. Understandably, he had a high ADP. We at least need to see what Coen will do now that Stranger is on IR.
I’ll do what I can to acquire him.
 
The draft capital they gave up to get Hunter, then completely misuse him like this borders on criminal.

Just absolute malpractice. Especially seeing him go up and TAKE that jump ball over dudes like a grown man - if you’re not gonna throw him screens at least give him 4-5 of those a week. My goodness what a catch.

And he got dinged up on D, so maybe ****can that stupid idea. I know he can play CB, but that doesn’t mean he should play CB. Just the snap count alone is going to shorten his career significantly. That takes a toll on a body.

Jags are nothing if not consistent in their incompetence. I say all of this having zero shares of Hunter.
 
TripItUp said:
Maybe Coen turns it around, it's possible. But for now, it feels like the "Coen is a genius" rhetoric was more hype than truth.
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He’s certainly gotten more out of ETN than anyone - but as I’d pointed out in the Baker topic all off-season, Baker only improved marginally with Coen, and it’s chicken & the egg-ish whether Coen made Baker better, or whether having better weapons & Irving toting the rock that made Baker better.

I was betting on the latter. So far Baker seems to be proving that’s the case.

Hey, cap tip to the Jags. You are your record and all that. But there are definitely kinks to work out with that offense. Lawrence plays badly at a frighteningly high clip - clock management, taking sacks, etc. one could strongly argue he was just damn lucky on that last goofy TD. 9 times out of 10 a DT touches him and it’s a sack.

But they’re an improved, if flawed team.
 
steelwind said:
Hello. I am here because Hunter is out there on waivers in my 10 team .5ppr league and I might be the only one to put in a FAAB tonight.
I knew nothing about him other than the typical trending takes - he splits off/def snaps, no TDs yet, haven’t had a breakout game. Blah blah.
But here I am. After reading this impactful thread. Why I love our Sharkpool.
I think Coen is going to give him even more WR snaps.
TL seems to have a better chemistry with him than BTJ.
They beat Maholmes on Primetime with Hunter making game changing plays as a WR.
Strange is now on IR. He leads them in receiving. They need offensive playmakers.
Unlocking Hunter = unlocking BTJ. Hunter’s ball skills underneath will open the outside.
A defense trying to cover just BTJ far different than covering both Hunter + BTJ together.
As my WR5, it’s a risk I’ll take on that pedigree. Understandably, he had a high ADP. We at least need to see what Coen will do now that Stranger is on IR.
I’ll do what I can to acquire him.
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Got him for $1.
Will stash and see if Cohen unlocks this WR room.
 
When it comes to hunters wr role… I’ll take the flashes happily. I figured it’d take some time for him and his coaches to realize his full potential. Par for the course with this truly generational talent that plays both sides of the ball. I hoped for better but he was a late first rookie pick(early drafts) and I’m not disgruntal with him yet.
 
ponchsox said:
How are feeling about Travis Hunter as a hold in redraft? Talent and potential are immense.
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Obviously every roster and bench size is different. Ours are fairly shallow with 5 spots. I’m holding him until a bye forces me to either drop him or start him if nothing else on the wire presents itself. I have started him once in week 2. And won’t again till after he gets a plethora of targets.

I’ll have to try lucky and start him on his blowup week. Or watch him rot on my bench.
 
Get the ball in the hands of your playmakers. Hunter is fun to watch.

Still view Hunter as high risk high reward with the arrow pointing up. Still a long way to go from 3 targets to being a star.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I wanted to see at least one before I took a shot across the bow
60/800/4-5 TDs was what i was going to project for 2025 with an open end that I can adjust these based on camp reports and such

I don't think Hunter will come close to what BTJ was able to produce as a rookie last year, don't really feel like that's a hot take as most don't find that kind of success ever in their careers
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Ministry of Pain said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Let's stop all the faux bickering for a minute and get down to brass tax

Would someone start us off on projected rookie numbers for Hunter as a Wide Receiver?
I have mine but would like to see some of those that are quite bullish on Hunter go ahead and post what they see as a reasonable number his 1st year with Jacksonville.

:stirspot:
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Ministry of Pain said:
I wanted to see at least one before I took a shot across the bow
60/800/4-5 TDs was what i was going to project for 2025 with an open end that I can adjust these based on camp reports and such

I don't think Hunter will come close to what BTJ was able to produce as a rookie last year, don't really feel like that's a hot take as most don't find that kind of success ever in their careers
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I'm shocked so many are wanting shares of Hunter, for Redraft'25 purposes, he's not on the MoP radar right now, sorry to dynasty heads with No 2 picks that want to fall in love
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And some of these posts are from April and early May, this wasn't something you needed to gather info from the Coach and all his coach speak about this guy being a 2-way player
Doesn't look like an instant hit at WR and we don't really know much about what he can do at Cornerback right now
:banned:

This is possibly gonna be one of the biggest busts in the NFL when you factor in what they gave up to get him, it's like Trey Lance level bad
 
Bad franchises make bad decisions. They gave up a bunch of capital to get him and have not used him anywhere near
how he should be based off his draft position and supposed skill level

Top 5 picks that play skill positions make an impact right away, Jags have totally bungled the pick with
how they have used him so far, by playing both sides of the ball means he does not get enough reps on either side to
improve and learn the playbook.
 
Bad thing is, he truly is a great football player. Jags just need to pick a position for him and quit jerking him around. I'm sure hunter just wants to play and will do whatever they tell him. He's surely a fantasy bust at the moment. But I'm still holding on to hope they either stick him at WR or CB 100%.
 
Thing is for the Jags, if they make him a CB after spending all that draft capital to move up for him to just be a CB
they look really bad, he would have to be one of the best CB of all time to even come close to warrant that draft position

Either way the Jags really messed up and are making things worse by how they are using him, he is not improving on the offensive side of the ball
due to not being able to focus on learning the offense and working on being a better WR

Jags are spoon feeding him on both sides of the ball and are getting minimal out of that pick, that is what bad teams do, they screw things up
they do not notice they are screwing things up, they ruin/waste talent.

Jags should let him focus on offense, work on being a great WR, who plays some CB that is the only way they will get any value out of that pick and
spent draft capital
 
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