Challenging a play after halftime? (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

I would guess this has been discussed before but if so I can't find it. At the end of the 1st half in last nights game R. White came down just short of the end zone and it was pretty obvious his knee hit before he rolled over in to the end zone.

For the sake of argument, let's say he wasn't down but was ruled to be on the field. Atlanta realizes this during halftime. Can they throw a challenge flag before the kickoff to have the play reviewed? The obvious answer is yes, but I've never heard this discussed before and definitely never heard of it happening.

AAA

 

[Dope]

I would guess this has been discussed before but if so I can't find it. At the end of the 1st half in last nights game R. White came down just short of the end zone and it was pretty obvious his knee hit before he rolled over in to the end zone.For the sake of argument, let's say he wasn't down but was ruled to be on the field. Atlanta realizes this during halftime. Can they throw a challenge flag before the kickoff to have the play reviewed? The obvious answer is yes, but I've never heard this discussed before and definitely never heard of it happening.AAA

Last 2 minutes of a half...the challenges come from upstairs.I think.

 

[mad sweeney]

I would guess this has been discussed before but if so I can't find it. At the end of the 1st half in last nights game R. White came down just short of the end zone and it was pretty obvious his knee hit before he rolled over in to the end zone.For the sake of argument, let's say he wasn't down but was ruled to be on the field. Atlanta realizes this during halftime. Can they throw a challenge flag before the kickoff to have the play reviewed? The obvious answer is yes, but I've never heard this discussed before and definitely never heard of it happening.AAA

Booth review in the last 2 minutes of a half.

 

[SSOG]

I would guess this has been discussed before but if so I can't find it. At the end of the 1st half in last nights game R. White came down just short of the end zone and it was pretty obvious his knee hit before he rolled over in to the end zone.For the sake of argument, let's say he wasn't down but was ruled to be on the field. Atlanta realizes this during halftime. Can they throw a challenge flag before the kickoff to have the play reviewed? The obvious answer is yes, but I've never heard this discussed before and definitely never heard of it happening.AAA

No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.

 

[AAABatteries]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.

My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.

AAA

 

[mad sweeney]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.AAA

IIRC there was a catch at the end of halftime in a SN or Mn game, I want to say it was Al Michaels so probably SN. They didn't bother to review it because time ran out and it wasn't for a score so it was useless to review. Although for some fantasy owners it was a phantom 29 yard gift.

 

[jscout]

...The obvious answer is yes...

The obvious answer is not yes. Forget about the actual rules for the last two minutes for a moment and let's hypothetically say that a coach can throw a flag at any time, as long as he has a timeout to use. As long as there is time on the clock, his available timeout is valid. But as soon as time runs out, the half is over, i.e. zero time on the clock, and his remaining timeout is forfeited. In other words, the end of the half is really no different than the end of the game in this regard. You can't throw a challenge flag if the game is over. So you technically can't throw a flag if the half is over either.

 

[clinton_c]

remember the Cowboys/Bears game when Grossman was sacked on 4th down with like 3 seconds left....and the official kept the time moving to end the half when it should have ben Cowboys ball on the Chicago 40 (or something like that)

Cowboys could not challenge, and the league said that once the officials call it half-time....it cannot be reviewed.

We will for sure see someone get screwed on this bigtime in the next few years.

 

[tomarken]

...The obvious answer is yes...

The obvious answer is not yes. Forget about the actual rules for the last two minutes for a moment and let's hypothetically say that a coach can throw a flag at any time, as long as he has a timeout to use. As long as there is time on the clock, his available timeout is valid. But as soon as time runs out, the half is over, i.e. zero time on the clock, and his remaining timeout is forfeited. In other words, the end of the half is really no different than the end of the game in this regard. You can't throw a challenge flag if the game is over. So you technically can't throw a flag if the half is over either.

Yes, but your analogy only works if you "forget about the actual rules." The replay booth doesn't use a timeout to review plays.

 

[shadyridr]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.

My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.

AAA

Dont worry. It seems like every single announcer forgets this as well.

 

[IM666]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.AAA

IIRC there was a catch at the end of halftime in a SN or Mn game, I want to say it was Al Michaels so probably SN. They didn't bother to review it because time ran out and it wasn't for a score so it was useless to review. Although for some fantasy owners it was a phantom 29 yard gift.

Was it the SEA/SF game where Smith threw a bomb that looked like it was caught out of bounds?

 

[BLOX]

I was actually surprised the play didn't get reviewed. The reason for the two-minute rule for replay is to make sure the correct call was made.

The White catch was a close call as far as where he was downed etc.

It should have been reviewed to ensure the correct call was made. Which it was, but other angles sometimes show a different story.

 

[mcjc4]

If the play ended in a score at the end of the 1st half and it was not reviewed it would be a mute point because the extra point would still need to be kicked prior to going to the lockeroom. The kick would seal the deal on any debate of coming out of the lockeroom with a review.

 

[Utter Chaos]

I think the White play should have been reviewed but only because it should have been an interception and not a catch. The defender and White both went up for the ball but on the way down the defender had both hands on the ball while White only had one. The defender clearly had possession but when they hit the ground White was able to get his other hand on the ball and the ref rules simultaneous possession which gave the ball to Atlanta on the 1 yard line. HALFTIME.

It should have been an INTERCEPTION! And yes, I loss my playoff game by 2.2 points because of that catch which was worth 3.9.

 

[mad sweeney]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.AAA

IIRC there was a catch at the end of halftime in a SN or Mn game, I want to say it was Al Michaels so probably SN. They didn't bother to review it because time ran out and it wasn't for a score so it was useless to review. Although for some fantasy owners it was a phantom 29 yard gift.

Was it the SEA/SF game where Smith threw a bomb that looked like it was caught out of bounds?

Yeah that's it. Arnaz Battle I think. It wasn't much of a bomb, it was a 29 yard catch. I knew it was most likely a Seahawks game, and now that I remember it clearly it makes me mad because the Hawks had held them without a first down the whole first half and they got that BS catch to ruin it. And it doubled the Niners yardage for the half too. So it wasn't Michaels since it was a Monday Night game.

 

[IM666]

>>>No. Coaches cannot challenge any play in the last two minutes of any half. All challenges have to be initiated by the replay booth.My bad, can't believe I forgot that. Ok, what about the standard for booth challenges. Could they review it while the teams are in the locker rooms and overturn it before the kickoff? Unlikely, I know, but in the scenario above maybe they decided to not review and then the Falcons realize they were screwed and yell at the refs to review. I've seen coaches talk them in to reviewing without having to actually challenge a play.AAA

IIRC there was a catch at the end of halftime in a SN or Mn game, I want to say it was Al Michaels so probably SN. They didn't bother to review it because time ran out and it wasn't for a score so it was useless to review. Although for some fantasy owners it was a phantom 29 yard gift.

Was it the SEA/SF game where Smith threw a bomb that looked like it was caught out of bounds?

Yeah that's it. Arnaz Battle I think. It wasn't much of a bomb, it was a 29 yard catch. I knew it was most likely a Seahawks game, and now that I remember it clearly it makes me mad because the Hawks had held them without a first down the whole first half and they got that BS catch to ruin it. And it doubled the Niners yardage for the half too. So it wasn't Michaels since it was a Monday Night game.

I thought 29 yards *was* a bomb to the 49ers this year :(

 

[jscout]

...The obvious answer is yes...

The obvious answer is not yes. Forget about the actual rules for the last two minutes for a moment and let's hypothetically say that a coach can throw a flag at any time, as long as he has a timeout to use. As long as there is time on the clock, his available timeout is valid. But as soon as time runs out, the half is over, i.e. zero time on the clock, and his remaining timeout is forfeited. In other words, the end of the half is really no different than the end of the game in this regard. You can't throw a challenge flag if the game is over. So you technically can't throw a flag if the half is over either.

Yes, but your analogy only works if you "forget about the actual rules." The replay booth doesn't use a timeout to review plays.

I know. That's why I said the bolded part above. The key is hypothetical and it was simply for discussion purposes based on the OPs original post. That's all. Not trying to rewrite the rules or anything.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

I know one thing. The networks are allowed to go to commercial if it happens.

 

[Modog814]

I think the White play should have been reviewed but only because it should have been an interception and not a catch. The defender and White both went up for the ball but on the way down the defender had both hands on the ball while White only had one. The defender clearly had possession but when they hit the ground White was able to get his other hand on the ball and the ref rules simultaneous possession which gave the ball to Atlanta on the 1 yard line. HALFTIME.It should have been an INTERCEPTION! And yes, I loss my playoff game by 2.2 points because of that catch which was worth 3.9.

When I first saw it I agreed with you. But on one of the replays (I believe the one from the EndZone Camera, you can clearly see that White did have position despite only having on hand on the ball. The defender looked like he had his hands on the ball trying to pull the ball through Whites arms. Despite this a review wouldn't have changed anything.I got burned on the last Chad Johnson catch against Pittsburgh. I don't think he got two feet down with possesion (i'm uncertain because they didn't show a replay) but it was a moot point because of the turnover on downs (and yes I lost on that play and got eliminated from the playoffs.)

 

[Modog814]

...The obvious answer is yes...

The obvious answer is not yes. Forget about the actual rules for the last two minutes for a moment and let's hypothetically say that a coach can throw a flag at any time, as long as he has a timeout to use. As long as there is time on the clock, his available timeout is valid. But as soon as time runs out, the half is over, i.e. zero time on the clock, and his remaining timeout is forfeited. In other words, the end of the half is really no different than the end of the game in this regard. You can't throw a challenge flag if the game is over. So you technically can't throw a flag if the half is over either.

Yes, but your analogy only works if you "forget about the actual rules." The replay booth doesn't use a timeout to review plays.

I know. That's why I said the bolded part above. The key is hypothetical and it was simply for discussion purposes based on the OPs original post. That's all. Not trying to rewrite the rules or anything.

But by the time they come out of halftime they have 3 new timeouts, so they do have a timeout that they can use. I agree with you that you wouldn't be able to challenge from a prior half, I'm just not sure if you're logic is the reason why.

 

[jscout]

...The obvious answer is yes...

The obvious answer is not yes. Forget about the actual rules for the last two minutes for a moment and let's hypothetically say that a coach can throw a flag at any time, as long as he has a timeout to use. As long as there is time on the clock, his available timeout is valid. But as soon as time runs out, the half is over, i.e. zero time on the clock, and his remaining timeout is forfeited. In other words, the end of the half is really no different than the end of the game in this regard. You can't throw a challenge flag if the game is over. So you technically can't throw a flag if the half is over either.

Yes, but your analogy only works if you "forget about the actual rules." The replay booth doesn't use a timeout to review plays.

I know. That's why I said the bolded part above. The key is hypothetical and it was simply for discussion purposes based on the OPs original post. That's all. Not trying to rewrite the rules or anything.

But by the time they come out of halftime they have 3 new timeouts, so they do have a timeout that they can use. I agree with you that you wouldn't be able to challenge from a prior half, I'm just not sure if you're logic is the reason why.

My logic is basically that once the half is over, it's over. That's all. Those new timeouts are for the new half and have nothing to do with the prior half. Again, that's all.