He's playing pretty good but some credit has to go to the Chiefs offensive line. Bad at pass blocking but 7th as a run blocking unit.
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Charcandrick WEST - Should we be talking about this kid ? (1 Viewer)
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
How is this thread buried back to the 3rd page? Wow, this guy is turning into gold as fast as Dion Lewis did first half of the season. Let's all rejoice as Sharc owners. I guess the sub 4.4 speed is truly there getting that 80 yard TD outrunning the Denver DBs like that. Very Impressive for a little guy wh takes short elusive steps. I wonder how Bloom and Cecil will spin their dislike of Sharc at what he did to the vaunted "Denver D" they were so afraid of this week. Let me tell you all that the sch gets a lot easier from here on out!!! How will they spin grabbing Christine Michael's potential over this elusive firecracker of a bowling ball with sub 4.4 speed?
The schedule going forward is downright tasty and he put up 20+ in PPR past three weeks vs Denver/Det/Pitt. One of the very few studs who is getting such a large portion of the carries too. He is in on goal line red zone as well as 3rd down. My God! They made excuses for Pitt having a bad game vs Sharc, wonder what they say this week to excuse this performance against Denver.
"Well Take away his 80 yd TD and ..."
"Well Manning turned it over 4 times so ..."
"Well Oswieler sucks ... "
Etc.
3 games in a row of 20++ including a middle road run D in Detroit and two tough SOB vs the run Ds in Pitt and Denver is stud territory. Imagine if Christine Michael did this. The forum would explode and take down the entire internet with a bazillion pages of posts. This guy's thread is sitting on the 3rd page!!! No respect!
There are not too many RBs that could score 80 yard TDs vs most defenses, let alone Denver. He has real speed. Most RBs would have had a long gain on that play, but not be able to score on that play. He has the elusiveness to get to the 2nd level and the rare top line speed to take it to the house once there. Its super rare to have both of those in one RB.
Instead of saying "Well if you take away his 80 yard TD, he had only an above avg day." We should be saying, "Not many RBs have the elusiveness/speed combo to take that one to the house like Sharc did. He turned a 5 or 6 point play into a 14 point play with his speed and cuts.
The schedule going forward is downright tasty and he put up 20+ in PPR past three weeks vs Denver/Det/Pitt. One of the very few studs who is getting such a large portion of the carries too. He is in on goal line red zone as well as 3rd down. My God! They made excuses for Pitt having a bad game vs Sharc, wonder what they say this week to excuse this performance against Denver.
"Well Take away his 80 yd TD and ..."
"Well Manning turned it over 4 times so ..."
"Well Oswieler sucks ... "
Etc.
3 games in a row of 20++ including a middle road run D in Detroit and two tough SOB vs the run Ds in Pitt and Denver is stud territory. Imagine if Christine Michael did this. The forum would explode and take down the entire internet with a bazillion pages of posts. This guy's thread is sitting on the 3rd page!!! No respect!
There are not too many RBs that could score 80 yard TDs vs most defenses, let alone Denver. He has real speed. Most RBs would have had a long gain on that play, but not be able to score on that play. He has the elusiveness to get to the 2nd level and the rare top line speed to take it to the house once there. Its super rare to have both of those in one RB.
Instead of saying "Well if you take away his 80 yard TD, he had only an above avg day." We should be saying, "Not many RBs have the elusiveness/speed combo to take that one to the house like Sharc did. He turned a 5 or 6 point play into a 14 point play with his speed and cuts.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Its funny that they use that "game plan" excuse as the reason he is doing so good, because the gameplan and team were the big reasons they gave not to take him in the week Jamaal Charles went down, instead saying to grab Knile Davis. I pointed out to pick him up as Reid always gameplans one main RB and has created RB superstars with West Coast short passing gameplans in the past so the opp is there (what's not to like situation wise?), where they described it as a KC wasteland to be avoided. Gameplan opps was always an advantage with Reid at the helm. Look at all the RB studs he produced over the years.RushHour said:
I love the podcast but they should just admit to a huge whiff and move on instead of continuing to defend their initial stance. They should have looked at his college tape writing him off as a jag.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Remaining Schedule:
SD (juiciy)
Buf (avg)
Oak (juicy)
SD (juicy)
Playoffs:
WK 14 SD (juicy)
WK 15 BAL (above avg D)
WK 16 CLE (Juicy)
I can't think of a better schedule or situation going forward. Maybe there is one, but not off the top of my head. Star's aligned for a big push for a fresh legged kid out to prove something. If somebody hasn't realize what they got yet its time to pounce on a trade and if they listen to or value Footballguys opinion they are probably not high on him so you can steal him. If I didn't alrady own him in all leagues I would buy.
SD (juiciy)
Buf (avg)
Oak (juicy)
SD (juicy)
Playoffs:
WK 14 SD (juicy)
WK 15 BAL (above avg D)
WK 16 CLE (Juicy)
I can't think of a better schedule or situation going forward. Maybe there is one, but not off the top of my head. Star's aligned for a big push for a fresh legged kid out to prove something. If somebody hasn't realize what they got yet its time to pounce on a trade and if they listen to or value Footballguys opinion they are probably not high on him so you can steal him. If I didn't alrady own him in all leagues I would buy.
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ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Settle down, Beavis.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm playoff bound and will likely be cuffing Ware.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Juicy!
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I have West in 2 leagues, and fortunately I have a solid corps of RBs in those leagues for the most part. (5+ decent starting alternatives)
I wonder why you seem to be thinking Spencer Ware is the one to own here?
He has done very little from what I can tell.
Even if he is their "go to guy" in the event of West missing time, I hardly think we can think about a similar type of output.
I know thats shortsighted though, its hard to imagine similar production from anyone there if something happens.
What makes you lean towards Ware if I may ask?
TZM
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Soft schedule + opportunity. I like what I saw from him when he was in SEA and I like what I see now. He's not special, just a solid downhill runner with good vision. He wouldn't be worse than a RB2 if West were to go down.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Where would you guys rank West, dynasty-wise? If there was no Charles in front of him, he's a Top-10 stud for 2016.
Does Charles come back 100%? He will be 30 next December, and has a high cap hit.
Does West get traded during the off-season? Does Charles?
Is he a "sit and wait a year" handcuff?
Does Charles come back 100%? He will be 30 next December, and has a high cap hit.
Does West get traded during the off-season? Does Charles?
Is he a "sit and wait a year" handcuff?
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
Nobody likes a chest thumper. And there isn't even a reason for it... all the trolls (ex: meatwad reloaded) have run away with their tails between their legs. So you're essentially bragging to a bunch of people who had the exact same thoughts and thus dumped a ton of their FAAB to get him.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
I have him in a keeper league where I can retain the rights to him for 3-6 more years. I don't have to make a decision until next August so I am interested to hear about what others have to say as well. I think Jamaal is getting up there in age and is coming off his 2nd or 3rd serious lower body injury. Even if they don't trade Jamaal away I think they will be careful with him going forward, but I am not an expert in dynasty at all so I will defer to the experts here. I have a feeling things will become more clear next August so I am penciling him in as a keeper with the erasure ready. I also have Dion Lewis on the same team so I will be watching his status closely as well come August.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Like it or not, people follow posters based upon past results. FBG was very cold on West a month ago, and is still not fully warmed to him. I took an alternative viewpoint to the FBG podcast and stated he would be a RB1 before his first snap as a starter. Look at the sum of all my calls this year. Dion Lewis was Mr. Irrelevant. Go back to Martavis Bryant/Josh Gordon threads. Its easy to make snide remarks, but back them up with actual knowledge if you can.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I started Emmanuel Sanders over West in a PPR at flex and it cost me my matchup in a tight playoff race. Was a huge decision and could cost me a playoff spot. I got a zero instead of 31 pts.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Price check
PPR - redraft. 2-3 RBs and 2-3 WRs
Team A gives: Megatron/Rawls
Team B (Lynch owner) gives: C. West
PPR - redraft. 2-3 RBs and 2-3 WRs
Team A gives: Megatron/Rawls
Team B (Lynch owner) gives: C. West
Are you saying I'm making snide remarks? I'm just telling you nobody cares, so don't bump your own posts to chest thump. It's seen as pretty DB-ish. And I'm also saying you are preaching to the choir here. The only people left in this thread are people who went all in on this guy, so we all believed in him and we backed it up with our FAAB budget.mnmplayer said:Like it or not, people follow posters based upon past results. FBG was very cold on West a month ago, and is still not fully warmed to him. I took an alternative viewpoint to the FBG podcast and stated he would be a RB1 before his first snap as a starter. Look at the sum of all my calls this year. Dion Lewis was Mr. Irrelevant. Go back to Martavis Bryant/Josh Gordon threads. Its easy to make snide remarks, but back them up with actual knowledge if you can.FF Ninja said:mnmplayer said:
Also, like many others, I won't be wasting my time trying to keep up with who made what calls in what threads. Nobody is making cheat sheets based on anybody's pre-season calls. Just bring some useful analysis into threads.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
The very fact that you post to say nobody cares is a snide remark that adds nothing. You could post "nobody cares", too cool for school comments to follow ANY post made in the forum, and it adds no value even if its true. I would be "somebody" that cares to know about breakout candidates before they break out to Rb1s, with proof of the call made before it happens. It's the very reason I come to this forum, to hunt this kind of information down. I have noted who is good at this. Putting forth a proof is not chest pounding, just bringing to light the buried knowledge to the forefront. Nobody is going to hunt back to page 5 and see who posted what before the breakout so I saved casual lurkers the effort, again adding value to the community.Are you saying I'm making snide remarks? I'm just telling you nobody cares, so don't bump your own posts to chest thump. It's seen as pretty DB-ish. And I'm also saying you are preaching to the choir here. The only people left in this thread are people who went all in on this guy, so we all believed in him and we backed it up with our FAAB budget.mnmplayer said:Like it or not, people follow posters based upon past results. FBG was very cold on West a month ago, and is still not fully warmed to him. I took an alternative viewpoint to the FBG podcast and stated he would be a RB1 before his first snap as a starter. Look at the sum of all my calls this year. Dion Lewis was Mr. Irrelevant. Go back to Martavis Bryant/Josh Gordon threads. Its easy to make snide remarks, but back them up with actual knowledge if you can.FF Ninja said:mnmplayer said:
Also, like many others, I won't be wasting my time trying to keep up with who made what calls in what threads. Nobody is making cheat sheets based on anybody's pre-season calls. Just bring some useful analysis into threads.
The bolded statement above indicates you have not taken the time to read any of my posts. No biggie. I don't have time to dig all of them up either, but you are wrong with this statement. I provide analysis to back all my statements, adding video when I have the time. I try to help the community as best I can as it has helped me over the past 10 or so years I have been a member of this forum. I am able to credit others with sound reasoning, especially when they make a call before it happens. Are you? Keep it classy.
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I'm just trying to clue you into the fact that chest thumping makes you look a little silly. I don't think it is snide to remind you that nobody cares. And there are no lurkers writing down your screen name because you got hyped about a guy you blew your FAAB budget on before he broke out. Lots of us were excited about him and that's why we also blew our wad.The very fact that you post to say nobody cares is a snide remark that adds nothing. You could post "nobody cares", too cool for school comments to follow ANY post made in the forum, and it adds no value even if its true. I would be "somebody" that cares to know about breakout candidates before they break out to Rb1s, with proof of the call made before it happens. It's the very reason I come to this forum, to hunt this kind of information down. I have noted who is good at this. Putting forth a proof is not chest pounding, just bringing to light the buried knowledge to the forefront. Nobody is going to hunt back to page 5 and see who posted what before the breakout so I saved casual lurkers the effort, again adding value to the community.
The bolded statement above indicates you have not taken the time to read any of my posts. No biggie. I don't have time to dig all of them up either, but you are wrong with this statement. I provide analysis to back all my statements, adding video when I have the time. I try to help the community as best I can as it has helped me over the past 10 or so years I have been a member of this forum. I am able to credit others with sound reasoning, especially when they make a call before it happens. Are you? Keep it classy.
You're right. I haven't seen a lot of your posts before. Never noticed your name until that post... not really a good first impression. But now that I've seen it, the 2nd post I've seen from you was a nice, long story about your team that lost with Eifert/AJ Green. Cool story, bro.
FWIW, chest thumping isn't seen as keeping it classy. It's generally an action reserved for the more insecure posters in the SP.
I was hoping my heads up to you would cut down on clutter such as bumping old posts to brag, but since you got defensive of your widely frowned upon move we've now created even more clutter. The key takeaway here is that bragging and cool stories not only don't contribute anything at all, but are actually negative productivity.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Check out my posts on Dion Lewis. Looking forward to your critique (in that thread).
Fortunately there is nobody other than us reading this thread so never mind the clutter. I'll give you the last word so this thread can drop back off the third page and beyond
Fortunately there is nobody other than us reading this thread so never mind the clutter. I'll give you the last word so this thread can drop back off the third page and beyond
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Ladsud
Footballguy
Do you have a blog I can subscribe to?Check out my posts on Dion Lewis. Looking forward to your critique (in that thread).
Fortunately there is nobody other than us reading this thread so never mind the clutter. I'll give you the last word so this thread can drop back off the third page and beyond
mnmplayer
Footballguy
So we are in agreement then that he is RB1 going forward? What about top6 ROS? Who do you rank above him in PPR? Last 4 weeks he is ranked 4th in my league for PPR and that is counting his bye. If you assume he scored 20 in that bye week he would be ranked #1. If he scored only a 10 he would be ranked #3.
There are 6 weeks left and none of the guys ranked above him have an easier schedule than Sharc, some having a tough sch like Gurley and AP. Its clear that he has a legit shot to be the #1 PPR back from wk11-wk16, definitely a chance at top6 and most assuredly a top12, barring inj.
I don't think he is getting that kind of respect at all. He could provide value in a redraft trade for sure swapping out bigger, more well known names in exchange for Sharc.
There are 6 weeks left and none of the guys ranked above him have an easier schedule than Sharc, some having a tough sch like Gurley and AP. Its clear that he has a legit shot to be the #1 PPR back from wk11-wk16, definitely a chance at top6 and most assuredly a top12, barring inj.
I don't think he is getting that kind of respect at all. He could provide value in a redraft trade for sure swapping out bigger, more well known names in exchange for Sharc.
Honestly, the only backs I would 100% prefer over him in a PPR rest of season would be Gurley and Miller. Freeman is close but I feel his best games are behind him and West's schedule is so good.
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bud29
Footballguy
Pretty much. I recently took a flier on Ware in a 32-team dynasty, I like him much more than Knile.
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
Los Gigantes
Footballguy
I traded him before the games started last week. To give you a sense of his redraft value, in a start 2 Qb league: gave Charcnado, duke Johnson, Travis Benjamin, and Stafford
Got roethlisberger and Odell Beckham
Ironically, my remaining starters at RB are the only two you like better (Gurley and Miller)
Got roethlisberger and Odell Beckham
Ironically, my remaining starters at RB are the only two you like better (Gurley and Miller)
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
After losing Bell, Charles and Lacy ---- dealt Kelce and Lockett for West and Ebron ....also have Reed at TE ... in playoff spot and want to stay there. Dynasty.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
No..no there's absolutely no correlation. Plus he tweaked his hammy prior to this game but never turned up on the injury report.
Hopefully him sitting was more so precautionary then anything else.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Did he just lose his job? (Eta: and yes I realize he got hurt)
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RUSF18
Footballguy
Why would he? It's not like he wasn't producing prior to getting hurt...his last three games were monsters.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
mnmplayer
Footballguy
I think it was cos you forgot to rub your pet rabbit's foot today. Or that ladder you walked under yesterday. Just sayin'
Shutout
Footballguy
What surprise me is after losing Charles, they have actually committed MORE to the running game (seems like West is/was getting more carries than Charles ever got except once in a blue moon).
In a next man up league, the Chiefs deserve a lot of credit.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
It boggles my mind that a fantasy handcuff darling is a legit 4th string RB in this offense. Knile would probably produce if given the chance too. Heckofajob to the GM (maddenism)
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Sharp post SSD. Wish I had the space and listened. I decided it was more important to keep Tevin Coleman who incidentally also got a chance to paly this week.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What's char's story?
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Everything I've read is that he's questionable for Sunday. Doesn't have a great matchup against Buffalo this week so I wouldn't mind if he sits this week and rests up for that cupcake playoff schedule.
Shutout
Footballguy
If he can get a similar, meaningful job back if he sits. If Ware runs like he did last week, West will enter Knile Davis range of value (not worthless but hard to trust on any given week).
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