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**** Chargers 2024 Thread - Because No One Demanded It **** (1 Viewer)
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Tau837
Footballguy
I'm not sure when you would say the mark was when he's been healthy. Over his last 4 games, he has 148/1, which is 5.2 ppg, ignoring the fumble he lost rushing. He has 1 rushing TD on the season, not more than that.
So, yes, he has some potential for sure. I wouldn't count on 6+ ppg from rushing on average, but who knows, maybe you will be proven right.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not counting on it. I think he’s capable of it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I guess what I’m saying is he’s kind of the poor man’s Konami code. You want him to use that cannon to score on a weekly basis, but those rushing yards and GL TD potential is sneaky.
Dude is so young and the numbers are actually eye popping. I don’t know how the FF community soured so hard on him after 1 year & with a coaching change to competence.
So happy I took the chance trading for him. Looking like I made out like a bandit so far.
Dude is so young and the numbers are actually eye popping. I don’t know how the FF community soured so hard on him after 1 year & with a coaching change to competence.
So happy I took the chance trading for him. Looking like I made out like a bandit so far.
Tau837
Footballguy
I'm not sure why anyone would have soured on him for dynasty. I can totally understand why people were down on him for redraft this season... he is currently QB16 in total points and QB22 in ppg for the season to date, for reasons that were predictable, and thus not particularly surprising. I know this, because you and I discussed those reasons in this forum before the season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well yeah. It’s not like he fell off. Injuries, and injuries to his receiving corps, plus inept coaching - it all seemed pretty obvious.I'm not sure why anyone would have soured on him for dynasty. I can totally understand why people were down on him for redraft this season... he is currently QB16 in total points and QB22 in ppg for the season to date, for reasons that were predictable, and thus not particularly surprising. I know this, because you and I discussed those reasons in this forum before the season.
But the bottom just fell out of his value for a minute. Suffice to say it’s bounced back.
Tau837
Footballguy
They have competed against the best teams in the league. All 4 of their losses are to good teams, and all but one by one possession, with the one 10 point loss in the game when Herbert left in 3Q with the Chargers down 7 points.
IMO they are capable of winning every remaining game on their schedule. Not saying they will, but I will be surprised if this is not a playoff team, which implies 10-7 or better, after going 5-12 last season.
The glass is half full GB.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I agree, they are capable of winning all the remaining games. Still will be tough though, I don't think they'll win them all.
They're going to have to rebuild Johnston's confidence somehow to get them through the rest of the season. I don't know what the deal is with Chark, but they have to get something out of that spot. It can't be McConkey and Palmer and pray for PI the rest of the year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Trend of second half struggles, although I think losing Dobbins was a big ding last night.
Tau837
Footballguy
Agree on Johnston. Before this game, I thought he had gotten past the drops. I know last week he failed to make a few contested catches, but they were contested. Not the same as multiple drops of uncontested easy catches we saw last night.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Gilman and Dobbins on IR. Arg.
Time to see what Vidal can do.
This may force James back into the standard S role instead of roaming like he's been doing. Could have a negative impact on the D. Maybe they try Jefferson back there and let James keep doing what he's been doing.
Time to see what Vidal can do.
This may force James back into the standard S role instead of roaming like he's been doing. Could have a negative impact on the D. Maybe they try Jefferson back there and let James keep doing what he's been doing.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
What a game by the defense! Good game for the special teams too, apart from the fake punt (why?). Two guys missed blocking the defender who ended up making the tackle on that one, otherwise Smartt would have gotten the first down.
The problem is they felt the only way to keep a drive alive was through a fake punt - because the offense was horrific. Even with McConkey killing himself. Zero playmakers outside of him, and the interior offensive line is absolute trash. They gave up 5 sacks to what was the worst pass rushing team in the league.
It's funny, watching the Eagles have their way with the Ravens, I noticed Kellen Moore is the Eagles' offensive coordinator. We've been blaming a lot of the Chargers' problems on offense on the coordinator the last several years. I see it again this year with Roman. I don't know how good he is, but the offense is so devoid of talent, and is so bad at blocking, I don't think any coordinator would be able to thrive with this team.
If McConkey can't go, It's hard to imagine how the Chargers offense will sustain drives, or score touchdowns, considering how they've looked the last few weeks.
The problem is they felt the only way to keep a drive alive was through a fake punt - because the offense was horrific. Even with McConkey killing himself. Zero playmakers outside of him, and the interior offensive line is absolute trash. They gave up 5 sacks to what was the worst pass rushing team in the league.
It's funny, watching the Eagles have their way with the Ravens, I noticed Kellen Moore is the Eagles' offensive coordinator. We've been blaming a lot of the Chargers' problems on offense on the coordinator the last several years. I see it again this year with Roman. I don't know how good he is, but the offense is so devoid of talent, and is so bad at blocking, I don't think any coordinator would be able to thrive with this team.
If McConkey can't go, It's hard to imagine how the Chargers offense will sustain drives, or score touchdowns, considering how they've looked the last few weeks.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I love the Joe Alt pick, but can you imagine Bowers in this offense? Can't fill all the holes in one draft so I expect an early exit if they get into the playoffs.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
You mean can I imagine the offensive line being even worse? It's tough to hit your TE/WRs when you're constantly being pressured/sacked. Bowers would definitely be a nice toy to have, but it'd be lipstick on a pig with this roster - kinda like it is for the Raiders.
They're going to have to spend some significant capital (draft or FA budget) on the offensive line again. They can't pass block or run block.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
How're we feeling the day after?
It was disappointing, but expected, for me. It sucks that the offense couldn't do anything for the first half, you can't get shutout like that, especially against a defense that isn't top tier. But it was great to see them not give up and have the offense get 17 in the second half, even when they were missing several of the skill players. It's a good indication that the culture of the team is changing.
There were some missed chances (particularly Herbert overthrowing Palmer deep in the 1st half), and some odd decisions. I have yet to hear why they did the line drive kickoff after they kicked their last field goal. I honestly don't know that the free 10 to 15 yards would have mattered since the defense couldn't get a stop on the last drive, but still.
I think my biggest question is why they were playing for a field goal when down 2 with 4:30 left in the game. At this point, you have to know, you probably won't win against the Chiefs trying to hold a 1 point lead when giving the ball back to the Chiefs with 4 minutes left in the game. I realize, we want to believe our defense is finally going to be the one to keep the Chiefs sustaining a game ending drive that culminates in a game winning score. But recent history indicates that's not likely. Knowing that, I'd like to have seen them do something different to try to extend the last Chargers drive, even though they were in a 3rd and long, other than seemingly get a slightly better shorter FG attempt.
Still I feel good about the overall direction of the team, given the still obvious interior line issues and lack of enough playmakers at the offensive skill positions.
It was disappointing, but expected, for me. It sucks that the offense couldn't do anything for the first half, you can't get shutout like that, especially against a defense that isn't top tier. But it was great to see them not give up and have the offense get 17 in the second half, even when they were missing several of the skill players. It's a good indication that the culture of the team is changing.
There were some missed chances (particularly Herbert overthrowing Palmer deep in the 1st half), and some odd decisions. I have yet to hear why they did the line drive kickoff after they kicked their last field goal. I honestly don't know that the free 10 to 15 yards would have mattered since the defense couldn't get a stop on the last drive, but still.
I think my biggest question is why they were playing for a field goal when down 2 with 4:30 left in the game. At this point, you have to know, you probably won't win against the Chiefs trying to hold a 1 point lead when giving the ball back to the Chiefs with 4 minutes left in the game. I realize, we want to believe our defense is finally going to be the one to keep the Chiefs sustaining a game ending drive that culminates in a game winning score. But recent history indicates that's not likely. Knowing that, I'd like to have seen them do something different to try to extend the last Chargers drive, even though they were in a 3rd and long, other than seemingly get a slightly better shorter FG attempt.
Still I feel good about the overall direction of the team, given the still obvious interior line issues and lack of enough playmakers at the offensive skill positions.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Another one half of decent offense. A lot of excuses can be pointed to (injuries, lack of weapons, etc), but at some point you just have to find a way to play a full game. Is it Roman not being to adjust on the fly or just not enough playmakers?
Tau837
Footballguy
I have to believe it's Roman. As a thought exercise, put each of the other 31 OCs in charge of this Chargers offense to open the season, same personnel, same injuries, etc. How many of them manage the offense to better results than Roman? Without giving it much thought, it seems definite that more than half would, and probably a lot more than half.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Roman should be fired and then arrested for attempted manslaughter for his gameplan last night. It's like he was trying to get Herbert killed. Braindead run to nowhere on 1st down, setting up 2nd and 3rd and longs where Bowles could really indulge his blitz fetish. With the interior line incapable of blocking, no legitimate threat at running back, and Herbert on a busted left leg. Brilliant!
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Stretch goal 1 - have a winning record = achieved.
Looks like stretch goal 2 - make the playoffs will also be accomplished.
How far they've come from last season.
That pass Herbert made to Davis for the TD was something else. So was Palmer's 2 pt conversion catch. I think he's in Harbaugh's circle of trust at this point.
It's great that they get an extra day off here prior to Saturday. Do they start resting guys these next couple of games? Particularly the Raider game if they've locked into a particular seed? I'm thinking Perryman should take the next 2 weeks off, maybe Bosa and Mack take the Raider game off.
Would be good to get Hart and Gilman back. It'd be good to get Samuel back too, but it seems like he may be out for the year. Anything to get Taylor off the field.
Looks like stretch goal 2 - make the playoffs will also be accomplished.
How far they've come from last season.
That pass Herbert made to Davis for the TD was something else. So was Palmer's 2 pt conversion catch. I think he's in Harbaugh's circle of trust at this point.
It's great that they get an extra day off here prior to Saturday. Do they start resting guys these next couple of games? Particularly the Raider game if they've locked into a particular seed? I'm thinking Perryman should take the next 2 weeks off, maybe Bosa and Mack take the Raider game off.
Would be good to get Hart and Gilman back. It'd be good to get Samuel back too, but it seems like he may be out for the year. Anything to get Taylor off the field.
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Tau837
Footballguy
I think there is something outside of health with Samuel. I don't think he will play again for the Chargers.
It is quite impressive that the Chargers have a great shot at 11 wins after winning 5 games last season and leaving the roster and cap in such a mess for Hortiz and Harbaugh. Just think what expectations will be like next year, after they have another draft plus an offseason with $100M in cap space to spend. They are going to be viewed as a serious threat to unseat KC as division champs.
Good times!
BoltNlava
Footballguy
In theory ...yes. Falling short is this teams mantra. When was the last time this team spent money on a WR1? David Boston?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Forgot about Wes. IDK I think we need a WR1. McConkey moves to 2 and Palmer? #3.Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Depends on what's available. Don't want to see them reach or overpay for a WR. There's more than one way to improve the offense. Let the draft and FA come to them instead of being desperate. I think this front office will play it smart.Forgot about Wes. IDK I think we need a WR1. McConkey moves to 2 and Palmer? #3.Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
Tau837
Footballguy
Forgot about Wes. IDK I think we need a WR1. McConkey moves to 2 and Palmer? #3.Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
Palmer is a UFA after this season. It would surprise me if they bring him back. Agree they need a WR1. McConkey becomes WR2 and QJ becomes WR3.
Tau837
Footballguy
Posted this in another forum a few weeks ago:
Tough to rank all of them with so many needs, but I'd probably order them like this:
1a. Center - Biggest flaw in the 2024 draft was not drafting a center in what might have been the deepest center position group ever. I disagree with Popper that Bozeman has been a "fine stop-gap". Per PFF, 34 centers have played 300+ snaps this season, and Bozeman's pass blocking grade ranks #30... that is not "fine". Fortunately, good centers can normally be drafted in the second round. I hope that will be the case this year.
1b. Edge - Mack will be 34 and is a UFA. Dupree will be 32. Bosa is a possible cap casualty. If I had to predict, I predict Mack re-signs and Bosa is gone. Even with Tuli, they really need a great young player in this group. IMO this seems like the most likely position to target in the first round.
2. WR1 - Not just WR... WR1. Because I think my first two needs make logical sense to acquire in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft, and I wouldn't expect to find a legit WR1 in the 3rd round or later, I think it makes sense to solve this via free agency. Would be very excited to get Higgins to fill this spot.
3. TE - Maybe more than one. So perhaps sign a veteran and also draft in 3rd/4th round.
4a. RB - They need much better play out of this position to have success in the offense preferred by Harbaugh and Roman. Relying on plugging in veterans Edwards and Dobbins was risky and hasn't really worked out great. They have provided some positive plays for sure, but nothing close to steady production. Maybe Vidal will emerge down the stretch, but I feel like if he had that ability, he would have forced himself into more playing time by now. Maybe a 3rd/4th round pick.
4b. IDL - I assume Ford and Tart will be re-signed. Ogbonnia, Matlock, and Eboigbe are under contract, and Fox is a UFA. Eboigbe has only played 16 snaps, but the problem with the other 3 is that they have been collectively terrible, with 3 of the bottom 6 PFF grades on the Chargers defense. I expect they will let Fox walk and try to inject a strong pass rusher into the rotation. Maybe a veteran free agent signing?
5. CB - I have this position this low assuming Fulton is re-signed and ASJ is gone. That means Fulton and Hart start on the outside, Still and Taylor handle the slot, and Leonard provides depth. They could still draft one in a later round and look for the same success they had with Hart and Still this season.
6. Guard - Because of the needs identified above, I could see the Chargers signing a high caliber veteran guard to replace Pipkins and letting Zion play out his contract at LG, giving him one more chance to deliver on his potential. They could also draft one in a later round.
That's a lot to get done in an offseason, but I have confidence that Hortiz and Harbaugh can pull it off.
Tough to rank all of them with so many needs, but I'd probably order them like this:
1a. Center - Biggest flaw in the 2024 draft was not drafting a center in what might have been the deepest center position group ever. I disagree with Popper that Bozeman has been a "fine stop-gap". Per PFF, 34 centers have played 300+ snaps this season, and Bozeman's pass blocking grade ranks #30... that is not "fine". Fortunately, good centers can normally be drafted in the second round. I hope that will be the case this year.
1b. Edge - Mack will be 34 and is a UFA. Dupree will be 32. Bosa is a possible cap casualty. If I had to predict, I predict Mack re-signs and Bosa is gone. Even with Tuli, they really need a great young player in this group. IMO this seems like the most likely position to target in the first round.
2. WR1 - Not just WR... WR1. Because I think my first two needs make logical sense to acquire in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft, and I wouldn't expect to find a legit WR1 in the 3rd round or later, I think it makes sense to solve this via free agency. Would be very excited to get Higgins to fill this spot.
3. TE - Maybe more than one. So perhaps sign a veteran and also draft in 3rd/4th round.
4a. RB - They need much better play out of this position to have success in the offense preferred by Harbaugh and Roman. Relying on plugging in veterans Edwards and Dobbins was risky and hasn't really worked out great. They have provided some positive plays for sure, but nothing close to steady production. Maybe Vidal will emerge down the stretch, but I feel like if he had that ability, he would have forced himself into more playing time by now. Maybe a 3rd/4th round pick.
4b. IDL - I assume Ford and Tart will be re-signed. Ogbonnia, Matlock, and Eboigbe are under contract, and Fox is a UFA. Eboigbe has only played 16 snaps, but the problem with the other 3 is that they have been collectively terrible, with 3 of the bottom 6 PFF grades on the Chargers defense. I expect they will let Fox walk and try to inject a strong pass rusher into the rotation. Maybe a veteran free agent signing?
5. CB - I have this position this low assuming Fulton is re-signed and ASJ is gone. That means Fulton and Hart start on the outside, Still and Taylor handle the slot, and Leonard provides depth. They could still draft one in a later round and look for the same success they had with Hart and Still this season.
6. Guard - Because of the needs identified above, I could see the Chargers signing a high caliber veteran guard to replace Pipkins and letting Zion play out his contract at LG, giving him one more chance to deliver on his potential. They could also draft one in a later round.
That's a lot to get done in an offseason, but I have confidence that Hortiz and Harbaugh can pull it off.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
For as many holes as this team has they have had a great season. Excited to see the roster progress they make this off-season. I am also curious to see if they keep Roman at OC (I assume they will, although would welcome a change).
BoltNlava
Footballguy
What about Higgins? Did he sign a new deal?Forgot about Wes. IDK I think we need a WR1. McConkey moves to 2 and Palmer? #3.Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
Palmer is a UFA after this season. It would surprise me if they bring him back. Agree they need a WR1. McConkey becomes WR2 and QJ becomes WR3.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Pretty spot on. Id probably move G up to 4a as improving the interior OL is critical for Herbert's health and longevity, and would help the run game too.
Tau837
Footballguy
What about Higgins? Did he sign a new deal?Forgot about Wes. IDK I think we need a WR1. McConkey moves to 2 and Palmer? #3.Wes Chandler.
I'd take a quality modern day 4 down TE if there's one to be had. I don't think that's Smartt, I know its not Disly ot Hurst.
Palmer is a UFA after this season. It would surprise me if they bring him back. Agree they need a WR1. McConkey becomes WR2 and QJ becomes WR3.
Higgins will be a UFA. As I posted in my previous post, I would love for the Chargers to sign him.
Tau837
Footballguy
I will be surprised if Atlanta lets Dalman get away.
