Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

[ZWK]

O-line depth added.

(Rotoworld) Bears agreed to terms with OG Chilo Rachal, formerly of the 49ers, on a one-year contract.Analysis: The 2008 second-rounder is a worthwhile reclamation project. Rachal lost his starting job early last season after emerging as a quality run blocker in 2010. He should give veteran RG Chris Spencer a run for the starting job in Chicago.

I liked him coming out of USC, wonder what happened.

He seemed to be progressing nicely, improving significantly over the course of his second season and then finishing as Pro Football Focus's 6th rated guard (out of 82) in his third year (2010).* Better at run blocking than pass blocking. But last year he struggled early on and was benched in the Niners' third game, and with his contract running out they didn't bring him back.Not sure what happened, but this is the kind of player the Bears should be taking a shot on. Someone who played really well not too long ago and has a chance to get that form back. Not another mediocre veteran who has gotten by as a below average starter his whole career.* Pro Football Focus watches every game, rates players on each play, and adds up a player's ratings for all his plays to get his rating for the season.

 

[DoubleG]

I think another thing this does is frees up the Bears draft a little more. Now they are more likely to go either D-line or (assuming a WR they like is still there) - WR in the first.

 

[RBM]

While I like seeing a move like this....you know what it really means right?

NO O LINEMEN TIL ROUND SIX!!11!

 

[mlball77]

So, are we largely assuming that Rachal has a very good shot at starting this year? It'd be sad if he has a solid year and then moves on to start for a new team next year, since he's only signed for one year.

 

[RBM]

So, are we largely assuming that Rachal has a very good shot at starting this year? It'd be sad if he has a solid year and then moves on to start for a new team next year, since he's only signed for one year.

Luckily we have experience in dealing with #### like thatkoye:

 

[mlball77]

O-line depth added.

(Rotoworld) Bears agreed to terms with OG Chilo Rachal, formerly of the 49ers, on a one-year contract.Analysis: The 2008 second-rounder is a worthwhile reclamation project. Rachal lost his starting job early last season after emerging as a quality run blocker in 2010. He should give veteran RG Chris Spencer a run for the starting job in Chicago.

I liked him coming out of USC, wonder what happened.

He seemed to be progressing nicely, improving significantly over the course of his second season and then finishing as Pro Football Focus's 6th rated guard (out of 82) in his third year (2010).* Better at run blocking than pass blocking. But last year he struggled early on and was benched in the Niners' third game, and with his contract running out they didn't bring him back.Not sure what happened, but this is the kind of player the Bears should be taking a shot on. Someone who played really well not too long ago and has a chance to get that form back. Not another mediocre veteran who has gotten by as a below average starter his whole career.* Pro Football Focus watches every game, rates players on each play, and adds up a player's ratings for all his plays to get his rating for the season.

This is great info. Thanks.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

So, are we largely assuming that Rachal has a very good shot at starting this year? It'd be sad if he has a solid year and then moves on to start for a new team next year, since he's only signed for one year.

Luckily we have experience in dealing with #### like thatkoye:

Who cares, one year of good production is...one year of good production, especially on the OL. It's the #1 thing this team needs.Plus we have the cap room to resign someone if we deem them worthy.Okoye was solid...but he signed to be a backup in TB, we obviously didn't think he was worth it.At this point Emery has proven he knows what Chicago needs and has been addressing the problems.-#1 WR-Marshall-OL help-Rachal-Backup QB-Jason Campbell-Backup RB-Michael Bush-WR depth-Devin Thomas, Eric Weems-LB depth-Blake Costanzo-CB Depth-Kelvin Hayden, Jonathon Wilhite-ST help-Weems, Costanzo, ThomasETA: Resigned Tim Jennings, Idonije, Briggs

 

[mlball77]

So, are we largely assuming that Rachal has a very good shot at starting this year? It'd be sad if he has a solid year and then moves on to start for a new team next year, since he's only signed for one year.

Luckily we have experience in dealing with #### like thatkoye:

Who cares, one year of good production is...one year of good production, especially on the OL. It's the #1 thing this team needs.Plus we have the cap room to resign someone if we deem them worthy.

Okoye was solid...but he signed to be a backup in TB, we obviously didn't think he was worth it.

At this point Emery has proven he knows what Chicago needs and has been addressing the problems.

-#1 WR-Marshall

-OL help-Rachal

-Backup QB-Jason Campbell

-Backup RB-Michael Bush

-WR depth-Devin Thomas, Eric Weems

-LB depth-Blake Costanzo

-CB Depth-Kelvin Hayden, Jonathon Wilhite

-ST help-Weems, Costanzo, Thomas

ETA: Resigned Tim Jennings, Idonije, Briggs

Agree with the bolded. Would still hate to see a successful "reclamation project" playing for a new team next year. But, if we get one good (and presumably cheap) year, it will be a big help. Also, I think Emery is doing a solid job so far. I would have liked to have seen a bigger OL splash made, but aside from that, I'm happy with what I've seen.

 

[RBM]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

 

[KCitons]

It concerns me that everyone is OK with the reclamation project and what to do if it's successful. What happens when the reclamation project fails and we still haven't solved the problem of helping the OL? Do the Bears start another reclamation project next year, and the year after that?

Identify the problem, fix the problem, move on to the next problem. Seems easy to me.

My other concern is with a potential collapse in 2012, Emery has a scapegoat in Lovie. At which point Lovie will be gone, a new coach comes in an blows things up to install "his system"

The biggest problem with the Bears is the lack of offensive identity. But, I suppose it's hard to maintain an identity when you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel every off season to get someone that want's to coach the Bears offense.

 

[mlball77]

I do think the o-line needs help and I would like to see more done on that front. While a healthy a Carimi and Williams should assist here, I still think the group is average-at-best, and has a decent likelihood of struggling again. Plus, if pass-protection is the big issue, signing a project of an OG known for run-blocking might not be the best approach. But, the line needed depth and talent, so Rachal could help. -I'm happy the team made even this small move to help the o-line. Baby steps.

And as bensonWLTW detailed, the front office has added some nice pieces this offseason. So yeah, I guess I'm somewhat optimistic right now. The draft will be critical, but we're off on the right foot for now, imo. There have been more "wins" than "losses" this offseason when it comes to player movement.

 

[flapgreen]

Never heard of him.

 

[flapgreen]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

Nothing has been done at all. We've actually gotten worse with the lose of Okoye on DL. Don't forget Tice is the OL genius, though. He will turn this hodge podge of rejects around.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

OL:Added Gabe Carimi(lost for most of last season), Chris Williams(Lost for a majority of the season), Chilo RachalLost Frank OmiyaleJ. Webb is 23, E. Williams is 25, C. Williams is 26, Carimi is 23, Lance Louis is 26, C .Rachal is 26. Have to think that these players are still developing and may get better.C. Spencer is 30, R. Garza is 33. These players have peaked and will stay the same or get worse.OTs: Gabe Carimi, J. Webb, Chris Williams(i'm hoping)OGs: Spencer, E. Williams, Louis, RachalC: GarzaMy projected starting lineup: LT- Williams LG- Louis C-Garza RG-Rachal RT-CarimiWebb can be the swing tackle(experience at both positions) with Spencer/E. Williams as the first replacements on the interiorDL:AddedLost Omobi OkeyeS. Paea is 23, Melton is 25, Wootton is 24 have to think they are improving.Peppers is 32, Idonjie is 31, Toeina is 27 they have reached their peak and will likely stay the same or decline.DE: Peppers, Idonjie, Wootton, C. DavisDT: Melton, Paea, Toeina, J. MillerMy projected starting lineup: LE-Peppers 3 tech-Melton 1 tech-Toeina RE-IdonjieWootton can be the first DE rotated in with Paea as the first DT in.NeedsLT-Who can play this position. If they figure this out...then Webb isn't a horrible RT(but not a good LT). Can Chris Williams swing back out to play the position he was drafted? Can Gabe Carimi switch to LT?DE- The Bears need a young DE to rush the passer opposite Peppers. Idonjie is a great Bear and has done everything asked of him(play DT, then DE, then DT, then DE, ST) but he isn't dynamic. If Corey Wootton can stay healthy then we may know if he can do it or the Bears may spend a 1st round pick addressing this issue.DT- Toenia is the only Bears player on the roster that can play the 1 technique. Usually this is a stronger more stout player. They released Anthony Adams who played this spot well the past couple of years, but he is no longer healthy/effective.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

Nothing has been done at all. We've actually gotten worse with the lose of Okoye on DL. Don't forget Tice is the OL genius, though. He will turn this hodge podge of rejects around.

Classic

 

[flapgreen]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

Nothing has been done at all. We've actually gotten worse with the lose of Okoye on DL. Don't forget Tice is the OL genius, though. He will turn this hodge podge of rejects around.

Classic

What's "classic" is that you said we were in great shape on both lines last year and that Angelo was doing a great job. Now, you say that we need help on both fronts like you were claiming it all along. Don't even get me started on your love for Angelo before he was fired. I don't even feel like rehashing any of that.

 

[ZWK]

It concerns me that everyone is OK with the reclamation project and what to do if it's successful. What happens when the reclamation project fails and we still haven't solved the problem of helping the OL? Do the Bears start another reclamation project next year, and the year after that? Identify the problem, fix the problem, move on to the next problem. Seems easy to me.My other concern is with a potential collapse in 2012, Emery has a scapegoat in Lovie. At which point Lovie will be gone, a new coach comes in an blows things up to install "his system"The biggest problem with the Bears is the lack of offensive identity. But, I suppose it's hard to maintain an identity when you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel every off season to get someone that want's to coach the Bears offense.

I'm happy with the Rachal signing but that doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with the Bears OL.The Bears have had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL over the past few years, and one of the reasons is a lack of good players. Chilo Rachal has a real shot at being a good offensive lineman, so signing him for cheap was a good move.But I still think they need a LT, and wish they'd signed someone like Gaither. I still think they have a lot of question marks on the interior OL, so I'd be thrilled if they get DeCastro and if they don't I think they should look closely at guards in the 2nd & 3rd round. I still wish they had signed 1 or 2 more Rachal-type projects, like G/RT Geoff Schwartz (who went to Minnesota) or swing tackle Anthony Collins (who the Bengals re-signed). But the Rachal signing is the kind of move that I want them to be making, so I'm glad about it.

 

[KCitons]

It concerns me that everyone is OK with the reclamation project and what to do if it's successful. What happens when the reclamation project fails and we still haven't solved the problem of helping the OL? Do the Bears start another reclamation project next year, and the year after that?

Identify the problem, fix the problem, move on to the next problem. Seems easy to me.

My other concern is with a potential collapse in 2012, Emery has a scapegoat in Lovie. At which point Lovie will be gone, a new coach comes in an blows things up to install "his system"

The biggest problem with the Bears is the lack of offensive identity. But, I suppose it's hard to maintain an identity when you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel every off season to get someone that want's to coach the Bears offense.

I'm happy with the Rachal signing but that doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with the Bears OL.The Bears have had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL over the past few years, and one of the reasons is a lack of good players. Chilo Rachal has a real shot at being a good offensive lineman, so signing him for cheap was a good move.

But I still think they need a LT, and wish they'd signed someone like Gaither. I still think they have a lot of question marks on the interior OL, so I'd be thrilled if they get DeCastro and if they don't I think they should look closely at guards in the 2nd & 3rd round. I still wish they had signed 1 or 2 more Rachal-type projects, like G/RT Geoff Schwartz (who went to Minnesota) or swing tackle Anthony Collins (who the Bengals re-signed). But the Rachal signing is the kind of move that I want them to be making, so I'm glad about it.

Exactly my point. For the past few years the Bears have gone in to the season "happy with who they have" with no option for plan B. And each year when they have an injury or someone doesn't play up to that "happy" potential, the team suffers. After all, if everyone in the NFL believes that you winning starts with solid line play, why would signing backup players at QB/RB/LB, be more important than solid starters AND depth on both lines?

 

[DoubleG]

Never heard of him.

ZWK posted a nice summary on him - first post on this page...of course you could just ignore it and continue throwing out the "they didn't do anything" comments.The Bears have been more active this offseason than virtually any other - and signing quality guys like Marshall, Wheems, M. Bush, and many others. I get some of the uncertainty, but to keep saying they haven't done anything is just downright silly - and makes it look as if you're not even paying attention (despite the fact that your post negative comments about what they have or haven't done every few hours).

 

[twistd]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

OL:Added Gabe Carimi(lost for most of last season), Chris Williams(Lost for a majority of the season), Chilo Rachal

Lost Frank Omiyale

J. Webb is 23, E. Williams is 25, C. Williams is 26, Carimi is 23, Lance Louis is 26, C .Rachal is 26. Have to think that these players are still developing and may get better.

C. Spencer is 30, R. Garza is 33. These players have peaked and will stay the same or get worse.

OTs: Gabe Carimi, J. Webb, Chris Williams(i'm hoping)

OGs: Spencer, E. Williams, Louis, Rachal

C: Garza

My projected starting lineup: LT- Williams LG- Louis C-Garza RG-Rachal RT-Carimi

Webb can be the swing tackle(experience at both positions) with Spencer/E. Williams as the first replacements on the interior

DL:

Added

Lost Omobi Okeye

S. Paea is 23, Melton is 25, Wootton is 24 have to think they are improving.

Peppers is 32, Idonjie is 31, Toeina is 27 they have reached their peak and will likely stay the same or decline.

DE: Peppers, Idonjie, Wootton, C. Davis

DT: Melton, Paea, Toeina, J. Miller

My projected starting lineup: LE-Peppers 3 tech-Melton 1 tech-Toeina RE-Idonjie

Wootton can be the first DE rotated in with Paea as the first DT in.

Needs

LT-Who can play this position. If they figure this out...then Webb isn't a horrible RT(but not a good LT). Can Chris Williams swing back out to play the position he was drafted? Can Gabe Carimi switch to LT?

DE- The Bears need a young DE to rush the passer opposite Peppers. Idonjie is a great Bear and has done everything asked of him(play DT, then DE, then DT, then DE, ST) but he isn't dynamic. If Corey Wootton can stay healthy then we may know if he can do it or the Bears may spend a 1st round pick addressing this issue.

DT- Toenia is the only Bears player on the roster that can play the 1 technique. Usually this is a stronger more stout player. They released Anthony Adams who played this spot well the past couple of years, but he is no longer healthy/effective.

I'm curious about what would lead you to believe Chris Williams would improve at left tackle? He has been awful at four positions now, RT, LT, RG and LG. What in the world leads you to believe suddenly everything has changed and he will be solid at LT? Left tackle, which is arguably the most difficult position to play on the line. In 2009 Williams was ranked at 117 out of 129 at tackle. There were 4 tackles in the entire league that gave up more QB pressures than Chris Williams. One of those who gave up more QB pressures than Williams was Orlando Pace, the other Bears tackle. Branden Albert was ranked one spot ahead of Williams in 2009 at 116. In 2011 Albert had moved up to the 22nd ranked tackle. In 2011 Chris Williams ranked 110 out of 136 at guard. In 2010 Williams was ranked 115 out of 128 at guard. The bottom line is Williams has been terrible at every position he has played on the line. So to imagine that moving him back to left tackle will make him better is hard to comprehend. He is a bust, might as well accept that and move on.

 

[flapgreen]

It concerns me that everyone is OK with the reclamation project and what to do if it's successful. What happens when the reclamation project fails and we still haven't solved the problem of helping the OL? Do the Bears start another reclamation project next year, and the year after that? Identify the problem, fix the problem, move on to the next problem. Seems easy to me.My other concern is with a potential collapse in 2012, Emery has a scapegoat in Lovie. At which point Lovie will be gone, a new coach comes in an blows things up to install "his system"The biggest problem with the Bears is the lack of offensive identity. But, I suppose it's hard to maintain an identity when you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel every off season to get someone that want's to coach the Bears offense.

I'm happy with the Rachal signing but that doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with the Bears OL.The Bears have had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL over the past few years, and one of the reasons is a lack of good players. Chilo Rachal has a real shot at being a good offensive lineman, so signing him for cheap was a good move.But I still think they need a LT, and wish they'd signed someone like Gaither. I still think they have a lot of question marks on the interior OL, so I'd be thrilled if they get DeCastro and if they don't I think they should look closely at guards in the 2nd & 3rd round. I still wish they had signed 1 or 2 more Rachal-type projects, like G/RT Geoff Schwartz (who went to Minnesota) or swing tackle Anthony Collins (who the Bengals re-signed). But the Rachal signing is the kind of move that I want them to be making, so I'm glad about it.

I'll go along with this. I don't even know who Rachal is, but at least they made a little effort. If they address OL in one of the first three rounds, I'll pipe down about the OL for a while.

 

[flapgreen]

Never heard of him.

ZWK posted a nice summary on him - first post on this page...of course you could just ignore it and continue throwing out the "they didn't do anything" comments.The Bears have been more active this offseason than virtually any other - and signing quality guys like Marshall, Wheems, M. Bush, and many others. I get some of the uncertainty, but to keep saying they haven't done anything is just downright silly - and makes it look as if you're not even paying attention (despite the fact that your post negative comments about what they have or haven't done every few hours).

No, it looks as if YOU'RE not paying any attention what I've been saying, just reading the negative stuff. Look back at my statement. It was in reference to the OL. If you were paying any attention, you would find that I was ecstatic about signing Marshall. I was even pleased about them bringing on Bush. Try and keep up. More needs to be done with the OL than signing a backup guard, but it's a start.

 

[RBM]

I would rather see Chris Williams given another shot at LT than Webb.

And Benson, not every young player is going to improve. Like Corey Wooton....I have zero hope for him contributing. Same goes for Webb and E Williams. I actually have a smidge of hope for Louis turning into a solid starting guard.

 

[DoubleG]

More needs to be done with the OL than signing a backup guard, but it's a start.

In 2010, he was the 6th rated guard in the entire league. I'm guessing the guards the Bears currently have rostered were not/have never been in the top 5. (HINT: They signed a starting guard and apparently a pretty good one).

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

Nothing has been done at all. We've actually gotten worse with the lose of Okoye on DL. Don't forget Tice is the OL genius, though. He will turn this hodge podge of rejects around.

Classic

What's "classic" is that you said we were in great shape on both lines last year and that Angelo was doing a great job. Now, you say that we need help on both fronts like you were claiming it all along. Don't even get me started on your love for Angelo before he was fired. I don't even feel like rehashing any of that.

I don't rush to conclusions and will change my opinion over time. I'm not a drama queen.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

OL:Added Gabe Carimi(lost for most of last season), Chris Williams(Lost for a majority of the season), Chilo Rachal

Lost Frank Omiyale

J. Webb is 23, E. Williams is 25, C. Williams is 26, Carimi is 23, Lance Louis is 26, C .Rachal is 26. Have to think that these players are still developing and may get better.

C. Spencer is 30, R. Garza is 33. These players have peaked and will stay the same or get worse.

OTs: Gabe Carimi, J. Webb, Chris Williams(i'm hoping)

OGs: Spencer, E. Williams, Louis, Rachal

C: Garza

My projected starting lineup: LT- Williams LG- Louis C-Garza RG-Rachal RT-Carimi

Webb can be the swing tackle(experience at both positions) with Spencer/E. Williams as the first replacements on the interior

DL:

Added

Lost Omobi Okeye

S. Paea is 23, Melton is 25, Wootton is 24 have to think they are improving.

Peppers is 32, Idonjie is 31, Toeina is 27 they have reached their peak and will likely stay the same or decline.

DE: Peppers, Idonjie, Wootton, C. Davis

DT: Melton, Paea, Toeina, J. Miller

My projected starting lineup: LE-Peppers 3 tech-Melton 1 tech-Toeina RE-Idonjie

Wootton can be the first DE rotated in with Paea as the first DT in.

Needs

LT-Who can play this position. If they figure this out...then Webb isn't a horrible RT(but not a good LT). Can Chris Williams swing back out to play the position he was drafted? Can Gabe Carimi switch to LT?

DE- The Bears need a young DE to rush the passer opposite Peppers. Idonjie is a great Bear and has done everything asked of him(play DT, then DE, then DT, then DE, ST) but he isn't dynamic. If Corey Wootton can stay healthy then we may know if he can do it or the Bears may spend a 1st round pick addressing this issue.

DT- Toenia is the only Bears player on the roster that can play the 1 technique. Usually this is a stronger more stout player. They released Anthony Adams who played this spot well the past couple of years, but he is no longer healthy/effective.

I'm curious about what would lead you to believe Chris Williams would improve at left tackle? He has been awful at four positions now, RT, LT, RG and LG. What in the world leads you to believe suddenly everything has changed and he will be solid at LT? Left tackle, which is arguably the most difficult position to play on the line. In 2009 Williams was ranked at 117 out of 129 at tackle. There were 4 tackles in the entire league that gave up more QB pressures than Chris Williams. One of those who gave up more QB pressures than Williams was Orlando Pace, the other Bears tackle. Branden Albert was ranked one spot ahead of Williams in 2009 at 116. In 2011 Albert had moved up to the 22nd ranked tackle. In 2011 Chris Williams ranked 110 out of 136 at guard. In 2010 Williams was ranked 115 out of 128 at guard. The bottom line is Williams has been terrible at every position he has played on the line. So to imagine that moving him back to left tackle will make him better is hard to comprehend. He is a bust, might as well accept that and move on.

Late in either 2008 or 2009 he looked very good against Jared Allen. Lets be honest here though...Chris Williams has been injured often in his career. Back injury entering NFL...then a hammy issue...then his injury last year. I don't think he's ever been healthy and given the LT job when he's been ready.He is the only Tackle on the roster with the size/athleticism to play LT.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I would rather see Chris Williams given another shot at LT than Webb. And Benson, not every young player is going to improve. Like Corey Wooton....I have zero hope for him contributing. Same goes for Webb and E Williams. I actually have a smidge of hope for Louis turning into a solid starting guard.

I agree that not every player will improve. However, Corey Wootton hurt his knee in preseason last year and was looking good in training camp before that...enough for me to give him 1 more year.

 

[ZWK]

I found a couple videos of Rachal (he's the right guard, #62). You can see some of his better plays in this Frank Gore highlight video (see 2:17, 2:40, and 3:44), and here is video from a Niners game against the Raiders (you'll have to skip through the parts where the Raiders have the ball). Both are from 2010.

He's a big slow guy, but on a lot of running plays he got good push on the guy in front of him and was able to create a nice hole for Gore.

There was also a glowing Pro Football Focus article about him after the 2010 season, but it makes you wonder what the hell happened in 2011.

 

[KCitons]

Isn't it odd that the Bears have added depth to key areas that were a problem last year (QB and RB) But, as it stands now, there is no backup LT to Webb? What happens if Webb goes down week #4? Everyone has to play musical chairs and it will be like starting over again.

I really think the Bears screwed up when they passed on E Winston. You could have improved your LT position immediately and kept Webb as your #2 developmental LT. The Bears only have a 7th rounder invested in Webb, but they treat him like he was a 1st round pick.

Also, I am skeptical on Carimi's ability to return to 100% also. So, this could leave another shaky position on the OL that will have to be addressed on the fly.

 

[mbuehner]

Isn't it odd that the Bears have added depth to key areas that were a problem last year (QB and RB) But, as it stands now, there is no backup LT to Webb? What happens if Webb goes down week #4?

Or worse, what if he doesn't?

 

[mbuehner]

I like the Rachel move, they desperately needed some reliable depth and I think he can challenge for a starting position. Basically that gives them flexibility across the middle of the line with some pretty good guards and 2 guys that can play center pretty well. I agree that Williams is probably the plan B at tackle, and I'm all for seeing if he's improved, but i just don't think he has the athleticism to stay healthy and effective as a left tackle with his bad back. Personally i'd bet Williams is more likely to be outplayed by Rachel/Spencer/Louis and find himself out of a starting job than taking over the left tackle spot.

I can only assume the Bears are going to take an offensive tackle in the draft, probably not the first round since there doesn't seem to be very good value there in the projections compared to other needs. So we're looking at a second or third round pick to compete with Webb. My money is on that guy.

 

[twistd]

You guys are more positive than me. I saw some major flaws on both lines and nothing done to really fix either.

OL:Added Gabe Carimi(lost for most of last season), Chris Williams(Lost for a majority of the season), Chilo Rachal

Lost Frank Omiyale

J. Webb is 23, E. Williams is 25, C. Williams is 26, Carimi is 23, Lance Louis is 26, C .Rachal is 26. Have to think that these players are still developing and may get better.

C. Spencer is 30, R. Garza is 33. These players have peaked and will stay the same or get worse.

OTs: Gabe Carimi, J. Webb, Chris Williams(i'm hoping)

OGs: Spencer, E. Williams, Louis, Rachal

C: Garza

My projected starting lineup: LT- Williams LG- Louis C-Garza RG-Rachal RT-Carimi

Webb can be the swing tackle(experience at both positions) with Spencer/E. Williams as the first replacements on the interior

DL:

Added

Lost Omobi Okeye

S. Paea is 23, Melton is 25, Wootton is 24 have to think they are improving.

Peppers is 32, Idonjie is 31, Toeina is 27 they have reached their peak and will likely stay the same or decline.

DE: Peppers, Idonjie, Wootton, C. Davis

DT: Melton, Paea, Toeina, J. Miller

My projected starting lineup: LE-Peppers 3 tech-Melton 1 tech-Toeina RE-Idonjie

Wootton can be the first DE rotated in with Paea as the first DT in.

Needs

LT-Who can play this position. If they figure this out...then Webb isn't a horrible RT(but not a good LT). Can Chris Williams swing back out to play the position he was drafted? Can Gabe Carimi switch to LT?

DE- The Bears need a young DE to rush the passer opposite Peppers. Idonjie is a great Bear and has done everything asked of him(play DT, then DE, then DT, then DE, ST) but he isn't dynamic. If Corey Wootton can stay healthy then we may know if he can do it or the Bears may spend a 1st round pick addressing this issue.

DT- Toenia is the only Bears player on the roster that can play the 1 technique. Usually this is a stronger more stout player. They released Anthony Adams who played this spot well the past couple of years, but he is no longer healthy/effective.

I'm curious about what would lead you to believe Chris Williams would improve at left tackle? He has been awful at four positions now, RT, LT, RG and LG. What in the world leads you to believe suddenly everything has changed and he will be solid at LT? Left tackle, which is arguably the most difficult position to play on the line. In 2009 Williams was ranked at 117 out of 129 at tackle. There were 4 tackles in the entire league that gave up more QB pressures than Chris Williams. One of those who gave up more QB pressures than Williams was Orlando Pace, the other Bears tackle. Branden Albert was ranked one spot ahead of Williams in 2009 at 116. In 2011 Albert had moved up to the 22nd ranked tackle. In 2011 Chris Williams ranked 110 out of 136 at guard. In 2010 Williams was ranked 115 out of 128 at guard. The bottom line is Williams has been terrible at every position he has played on the line. So to imagine that moving him back to left tackle will make him better is hard to comprehend. He is a bust, might as well accept that and move on.

Late in either 2008 or 2009 he looked very good against Jared Allen. Lets be honest here though...Chris Williams has been injured often in his career. Back injury entering NFL...then a hammy issue...then his injury last year. I don't think he's ever been healthy and given the LT job when he's been ready.He is the only Tackle on the roster with the size/athleticism to play LT.

I would like to know if the Bears drafted Carimi to play left tackle or right tackle. If they drafted him as a left tackle, and he has recovered from his injury, then put him at left tackle. Webb was awful, and as you said, although you think Williams has the tools to play left tackle, he can't stay healthy. So the plan now appears to rely on Williams or Webb as the left tackle. Or they are just planning to insert Webb and leave him. To me that seems like a recipe for disaster. This group of linemen isn't very good. No matter how you move them around, you still have a group of linemen that aren't very good. Addressing the line, with picking up Rachel, makes sense, but I would like to see them draft a tackle prospect in the first few rounds. We keep hearing that some of their guys have potential. Well it is time to see production. I just don't think they are going to get it with this group of guys.

 

[steelcitysledgehammers]

I think the plan is for Chris Williams to move back to offensive tackle so they signed Rachal to take his spot at guard.

Williams is going into a contract year. I'm pretty confident he'd like to hit the market as a tackle instead of a guard next season. The Bears are fine with it because it's cheaper to find a replacement guard than a replacement tackle. Everybody wins!

I'm looking forward to the Webb/Williams showdown for LT this season. The position is going to look considerably better without Martz calling the shots.

Go Bears!

J

 

[KCitons]

I think the plan is for Chris Williams to move back to offensive tackle so they signed Rachal to take his spot at guard.

Williams is going into a contract year. I'm pretty confident he'd like to hit the market as a tackle instead of a guard next season. The Bears are fine with it because it's cheaper to find a replacement guard than a replacement tackle. Everybody wins!

I'm looking forward to the Webb/Williams showdown for LT this season. The position is going to look considerably better without Martz calling the shots.

Go Bears!

J

I completely agree with this statement. There could be a showdown in the Preseason between Webb and Williams, with the winner getting the LT spot. Unfortunately, I see the winner being the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[KCitons]

former TB LB Geno Hayes, signs with the Bears. Depth behind Roach?

 

[amaizingblu]

former TB LB Geno Hayes, signs with the Bears. Depth behind Roach?

Probably to compete with Roach for starting SLB &/or depth behind Urlacher/Briggs Link I would've liked them to sign Rocky McIntosh who also visited, but I apparently they opted for youth and experience with their defensive scheme since Hayes comes from TB. Still, Emery is keeping busy...

 

[Statcruncher]

Awesome, Emery was descibed as a methodical grinder and weeks into free agency the gears are still turning, picking through the pile. IMO so far he's been the real deal, I'm so stoked that this year's NFL draft may be the first one I ever watch.

 

[KCitons]

I had the opposite feeling on McIntosh. He seemed to make a lot of mistakes in Wash and as a owner of McIntosh, it became difficult to count on him last year. (and then he was finally benched in favor of Riley)

I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the Bears war room. I am very curious how Emery is going to approach this draft.

 

[KCitons]

Awesome, Emery was descibed as a methodical grinder and weeks into free agency the gears are still turning, picking through the pile. IMO so far he's been the real deal, I'm so stoked that this year's NFL draft may be the first one I ever watch.

Blasphemy

And you call yourself a fan. (I haven't missed a draft in nearly 20 years)

 

[amaizingblu]

I had the opposite feeling on McIntosh. He seemed to make a lot of mistakes in Wash and as a owner of McIntosh, it became difficult to count on him last year. (and then he was finally benched in favor of Riley)I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the Bears war room. I am very curious how Emery is going to approach this draft.

I remember when the Bears tried to trade Briggs a few years ago and almost traded for Rocky McIntosh and a draft pick, but it fell through. Thank you sweet baby Jesus! My point about McIntosh was that I believe he'd be more of a challenge to Roach for the starting SLB position... can be utilized in Blitzing situations, and provide the needed veteran depth behind Urlacher/Briggs. Nothing against Hayes, but wasn't he primarily a WLB in Tampa? Also, isn't that the LB position that's supposed to statistically shine in this Defense? Yet, his stats were not overly impressive (H2011 = 64 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 INT, 2 PD) and he lost his starting role in Week 9 due to poor performance, though he regained that by week 12... Phil & Lovie apparently chose him over McIntosh... maybe because he's younger, maybe cheaper, or maybe they feel he's better, who know's? Regardless, I'm pretty pleased with the off-season additions. And yes you're right, this draft will be very interesting....

 

[Statcruncher]

Awesome, Emery was descibed as a methodical grinder and weeks into free agency the gears are still turning, picking through the pile. IMO so far he's been the real deal, I'm so stoked that this year's NFL draft may be the first one I ever watch.

Blasphemy

And you call yourself a fan. (I haven't missed a draft in nearly 20 years)

I must be a fair weather fan, I don't watch the Pro Bowl when a Bear makes it either.

 

[KCitons]

Awesome, Emery was descibed as a methodical grinder and weeks into free agency the gears are still turning, picking through the pile. IMO so far he's been the real deal, I'm so stoked that this year's NFL draft may be the first one I ever watch.

Blasphemy

And you call yourself a fan. (I haven't missed a draft in nearly 20 years)

I must be a fair weather fan, I don't watch the Pro Bowl when a Bear makes it either.

That's funny. I rarely watch the Pro Bowl, no matter who's in it. I would have to be down to 2 channels on the TV and the other one would have to be broadcasting a Rosie O'Donnel Marathon.

 

[flapgreen]

I would rather see Chris Williams given another shot at LT than Webb. And Benson, not every young player is going to improve. Like Corey Wooton....I have zero hope for him contributing. Same goes for Webb and E Williams. I actually have a smidge of hope for Louis turning into a solid starting guard.

I agree that not every player will improve. However, Corey Wootton hurt his knee in preseason last year and was looking good in training camp before that...enough for me to give him 1 more year.

Don't forget Wootton was hurt in college and during each of his first two seasons in the league. He appears to be dead weight at this point. I doubt he will make the team this season.

 

[flapgreen]

Isn't it odd that the Bears have added depth to key areas that were a problem last year (QB and RB) But, as it stands now, there is no backup LT to Webb? What happens if Webb goes down week #4?

Or worse, what if he doesn't?

yep

 

[flapgreen]

I like the Rachel move, they desperately needed some reliable depth and I think he can challenge for a starting position. Basically that gives them flexibility across the middle of the line with some pretty good guards and 2 guys that can play center pretty well. I agree that Williams is probably the plan B at tackle, and I'm all for seeing if he's improved, but i just don't think he has the athleticism to stay healthy and effective as a left tackle with his bad back. Personally i'd bet Williams is more likely to be outplayed by Rachel/Spencer/Louis and find himself out of a starting job than taking over the left tackle spot. I can only assume the Bears are going to take an offensive tackle in the draft, probably not the first round since there doesn't seem to be very good value there in the projections compared to other needs. So we're looking at a second or third round pick to compete with Webb. My money is on that guy.

I'm definitely on board with this.

 

[twistd]

I think the plan is for Chris Williams to move back to offensive tackle so they signed Rachal to take his spot at guard.

Williams is going into a contract year. I'm pretty confident he'd like to hit the market as a tackle instead of a guard next season. The Bears are fine with it because it's cheaper to find a replacement guard than a replacement tackle. Everybody wins!

I'm looking forward to the Webb/Williams showdown for LT this season. The position is going to look considerably better without Martz calling the shots.

Go Bears!

J

Wow, looking forward to awful and crappy fighting it out for left tackle. I think there is a lot of delusion floating around in this thread. Getting rid of Martz doesn't turn iron in to gold, nor does it turn two crappy tackles in to one decent one. If Carimi can't play left tackle we will discover that there isn't one decent left tackle on this team unless the Bears draft one.

 

[flapgreen]

I think the plan is for Chris Williams to move back to offensive tackle so they signed Rachal to take his spot at guard.

Williams is going into a contract year. I'm pretty confident he'd like to hit the market as a tackle instead of a guard next season. The Bears are fine with it because it's cheaper to find a replacement guard than a replacement tackle. Everybody wins!

I'm looking forward to the Webb/Williams showdown for LT this season. The position is going to look considerably better without Martz calling the shots.

Go Bears!

J

Wow, looking forward to awful and crappy fighting it out for left tackle. I think there is a lot of delusion floating around in this thread. Getting rid of Martz doesn't turn iron in to gold, nor does it turn two crappy tackles in to one decent one. If Carimi can't play left tackle we will discover that there isn't one decent left tackle on this team unless the Bears draft one.

He's excited! :guninmouth:

 

[steelcitysledgehammers]

Wow, looking forward to awful and crappy fighting it out for left tackle.

I'm astonished at how keen some of you are at judging NFL talent from afar. To have accurately judged a players worth after only a handful of seasons. Why do NFL teams continue to pay coaches and scouts when they could rely on your razor-sharp abilities to do so from the comfort of your own home? I'm just amazed. Some of you are like that chick from 'Medium'. I think she was one of the Arquettes. She was in "True Romance". You're like her. You can see the future of these players in ways us mere mortals cannot.I don't claim to have 'remote viewing' capabilities like yours, so I'm just going to base my judgments on the evidence I have available. I've watched them both improve with time and I see no reason that trend shouldn't continue. While our line was poor last season, it wasn't the atrocity it had been the year before.Spout all the hyperbole you want about Williams and Webb, but if you actually watched (and remembered) every game last year you'd know this line was looking decent when we were 7-3. They looked ugly early when Martz was running his 'chuck-n-duck' but they reigned him in after week 3 or 4 and we had a string of 5-6 games where we were competent. It's only after the injuries to Cutler and Forte that the Oline started to unravel.You guys go ahead and keep treating Webb like your 'Bobo doll'. I'm pulling for the starting LT of my favorite team to do well.Go Bears!J

 

[KCitons]

Wow, looking forward to awful and crappy fighting it out for left tackle.

I'm astonished at how keen some of you are at judging NFL talent from afar. To have accurately judged a players worth after only a handful of seasons. Why do NFL teams continue to pay coaches and scouts when they could rely on your razor-sharp abilities to do so from the comfort of your own home? I'm just amazed. Some of you are like that chick from 'Medium'. I think she was one of the Arquettes. She was in "True Romance". You're like her. You can see the future of these players in ways us mere mortals cannot.I don't claim to have 'remote viewing' capabilities like yours, so I'm just going to base my judgments on the evidence I have available. I've watched them both improve with time and I see no reason that trend shouldn't continue. While our line was poor last season, it wasn't the atrocity it had been the year before.

Spout all the hyperbole you want about Williams and Webb, but if you actually watched (and remembered) every game last year you'd know this line was looking decent when we were 7-3. They looked ugly early when Martz was running his 'chuck-n-duck' but they reigned him in after week 3 or 4 and we had a string of 5-6 games where we were competent. It's only after the injuries to Cutler and Forte that the Oline started to unravel.

You guys go ahead and keep treating Webb like your 'Bobo doll'. I'm pulling for the starting LT of my favorite team to do well.

Go Bears!

J

Sounds to me like your "good with the guys we've got"

 

[flapgreen]

I'm not even sure where the talk of CW moving to LT even came from. The team has said nothing about it. It's not happening. Non of the beat writers have mentioned it. I'll leave leaving to turd to fight it out for LT for a later discussion.

Steel, leave Benson's "You guys don't know #### because you're not a coach on GM" shtick alone. Don't steel it, thief. I've actually kind of grown found of it. We're fans on an online messageboard, paaatner. We can do whatever we like. Of course you weren't around, but I was right last season about the things Angelo neglected. I guess that means I got lucky and had never opened my eyes.

I'm sorry "YOU'RE ASTONISHED" at us little guys down here who voice our displeasure over the OL. Maybe you should also address the analysts and reporters around the league in that manner. They think they same thing, goof. I guess they haven't been paying attention to the Bears line either.

Then you're implying that anyone who disagrees with your stance must not have been watching the Bears play. This is also tired. Leave it alone.

They will draft a LT or guard in the 1st 3 rounds and all will be forgotten.

An no I haven't watched "Medium". I'm not a ######.