Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

[Max Power]

Oh well, I figured Floyd would go.

DE it is...

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Reiff, DeCastro, Mercilus, Chandler Jones for Chicago

 

[RBM]

This is working out real nice

 

[Max Power]

LOL, seattle

 

[flapgreen]

LOL, seattle

THANK YOU SEATTLE!!!

 

[flapgreen]

This is working out real nice

Agreed

 

[flapgreen]

Reiff, DeCastro, Mercilus, Chandler Jones for Chicago

DeCastro, Reiff. Need one those. SCREW UP A PICK JETS!!!

 

[Max Power]

Coples was a decent pick for NY.

 

[Max Power]

I'm not sure who I'm rooting for here. I guess DeCastro, but I think its going to be Jones or Mercilus.

 

[RBM]

This is wild....Ingram, Jones, or Mercilus?

 

[flapgreen]

DeCastro!!! DO IT!!!!!

 

[Max Power]

Fun draft so far. All the "Experts" had a big run on DEs in the mid teens. Glad it didn't happen.

 

[RBM]

And here we go

Gimmie Chandler Jones

 

[flapgreen]

OL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Max Power]

mercilus

 

[RBM]

No time wasted.....

Shea McClellin....wow

 

[Max Power]

No time wasted.....Shea McClellin....wow

 

[jdelsas]

Not liking that pick, how do we pass up Chandler Jones there?

 

[RBM]

Ok...good football player. They obviously are very high on him because they wasted no time and there are lots of similar guys out there.

 

[gdg76]

Harder and harder to be a Bears fan each year. Had hope this draft would be different with Emery. More of the same crap - best OL prospects fall to us and we whiff on the pick completely.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Not liking that pick, how do we pass up Chandler Jones there?

Don't know. Disappointing.

 

[RBM]

Harder and harder to be a Bears fan each year. Had hope this draft would be different with Emery. More of the same crap - best OL prospects fall to us and we whiff on the pick completely.

Ha, hard to say that today. Can we see him suit up first please.

 

[Marvin]

Harder and harder to be a Bears fan each year. Had hope this draft would be different with Emery. More of the same crap - best OL prospects fall to us and we whiff on the pick completely.

Settle down, Beavis.

 

[ditka85]

Relax guys. Shea is a good pick. Guy has a nose for the ball, is a good pass rusher and is versatile. He may have gone a bit higher than the "draftniks" had projected but he's a quality player.

 

[Max Power]

Harder and harder to be a Bears fan each year. Had hope this draft would be different with Emery. More of the same crap - best OL prospects fall to us and we whiff on the pick completely.

Ha, hard to say that today. Can we see him suit up first please.

But where? OLB or DE? I dont think he was the best DE prospect on the board and OLB isn't a need.

 

[RBM]

Going to stay positive and acknowledge this is a good football player....but I would be lying if I said I wasnt a bit deflated.

I just think Jones is going to be a very special player.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

The Bears LBers are old and they have very little depth at the position. This is not a bad pick.

 

[ditka85]

Flap, the way OL is falling, we may get a gift in the 2nd.

 

[Max Power]

Flap, the way OL is falling, we may get a gift in the 2nd.

Pretty sure he is hanging from a noose right now

 

[ditka85]

The Bears LBers are old and they have very little depth at the position. This is not a bad pick.

Exactly, Shea can lineup at DE or LB. He adds flexibility we haven't had before.

 

[RBM]

So where will he play? Our defense does not move guys around. Did we just take an olb at 19? I sure as hell hope not.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Shea is a DE opposite Peppers...2nd fastest DE at the combine

 

[SmoovySmoov]

He better have a better career than Jones.

 

[RBM]

Shea is a DE opposite Peppers...2nd fastest DE at the combine

I was gonna say....they better believe he is a legit d end picking him in that spot.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Shea is a DE opposite Peppers...2nd fastest DE at the combine

I was gonna say....they better believe he is a legit d end picking him in that spot.

Emery already said he's a LE for now, but will eventually play both DE spots. He said he valued McClellin the highest of the 7 he was considering.

 

[maxwelledison]

Inexcusable to pass on DeCastro.

Edit-missed an e.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Inexcusable to pass on DeCastro.Edit-missed an e.

With Rachel, Spencer, Louis, C. Williams, E. Williams all that can play Guard...vs Peppers, Idonijie, Wootton at DE.Then consider playing Rodgers/Stafford 4 times every year for the next 5.

 

[ditka85]

DE was a much more pressing need. Outside of Peppers we have no one.

 

[Marvin]

I'll tell you what makes it hard to be a Bear fan...all the doomcriers and chicken littles.

 

[ditka85]

I'll tell you what makes it hard to be a Bear fan...all the doomcriers and chicken littles.

 

[maxwelledison]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

 

[Marvin]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

 

[KCitons]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth) Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

 

[Sweetcan]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth) Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

Agree with KCitons......#1 goal should be to keep Cutler upright. He cant get the ball to Marshall if he's on his ###. Along with Webb they have address help at ALL other OL positions other than RT. DeCastro and Reiff fell down the draft boards to us and were both ranked higher than McClellan.....I hope McClellan pans out but this is the first move by Emery that I didn't particularly like.

 

[Marvin]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth) Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

Looks like some pretty good O-linemen left to pick up in the 2nd round. But I don't want to get into some long, in-depth coulda-woulda-shoulda. Bottom line is that we've drafted ONE player and the pessimists are kvetching already. Tell you guys what: Feel free to bump this page at the end of this season or even next. If you were right feel free to brag about it. But all this doom-and-gloom is premature.

 

[Max Power]

Since I've slept on it and sobered up some, I feel better about the McClellin pick this morning. I didn't hate the guy the Bears took as much as who they passed on. There were still several good OL and other dynamic pass rushers on the board who I would have liked more. However, if the Bears like the kid, I'm on board. I think he has a limited upside, but a high floor.

Moving on to round #2, there are still about 7-8 players I think would be great additions to the team.

OG - Glenn

TE - Fleener

WR - Jeffery

WR - Hill

OT - Martin

OT - Adams

C - Konz

WR - Randle

to a lesser extent a CB. I don't see a ton of value at CB in the early part of RD2.

 

[RBM]

Having slept on it, I feel worse.

Just setting in that we passed on Jones, DeCastro and Reif....stings.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth) Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

I heard rumors from NFL Scouts that they think Reiff is only a Guard. I also heard he can't play LT and is only a RT. We just drafted Carimi...do we really need two RT's?Putting that into perspective, I think going DE and getting a guy they wanted is fine.

 

[KCitons]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out?

I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf).

I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)

With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth)

Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

Looks like some pretty good O-linemen left to pick up in the 2nd round. But I don't want to get into some long, in-depth coulda-woulda-shoulda. Bottom line is that we've drafted ONE player and the pessimists are kvetching already. Tell you guys what: Feel free to bump this page at the end of this season or even next. If you were right feel free to brag about it. But all this doom-and-gloom is premature.

I hope you have been reading this thread over the past couple of weeks, instead of just jumping in on draft day. There have been a lot of us Bears fans that wanted them to address the RT position in Free Agency. When they didn't, we then expressed hope that they would address the problem in the draft. I get the feeling you think we are just bashing this pick without having any prior expectations.

I will still root for the Bears the same, I will stand behind each and every pick they make. And, I will admit that I am no NFL scout. I'm sure everyone that made the decision to take a DE over OL is much better at player knowledge as me.

Time will tell, and we will not need to bump this thread at the end of the season. This thread stays pretty active on its own merit. But, it could be doubly painful if Reiff ends up being a good LT in this league and we have to face him twice a year with Detroit.

 

[KCitons]

This is a team that has consistently blown 1st round picks for decades. They need O-line help and an elite G falls to them but they select a 2nd tier DE. Call it what you want but it flat out sucks.

It sucks because why? Because you know exactly how McClellin will play? You know for a fact that DeCastro is going to be a stud in the NFL? You are 100% sure that this pick was a mistake?Could you please point me to your posts where you correctly predicted how previous draft picks were going to pan out? I remember back in 2000 when people were griping over the Bears taking an semi-sorta-OLB from a non-powerhouse school. I also remember back in 1998 Curtis Enis was a sure thing at #5 (just a few picks below another stud named Ryan Leaf). I also remember back in 2000 when the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. Oh wait...I don't remember that at all. Hell nobody but Tom Brady remembers that.

Sure, you can throw out names of players that were busts or late round winners. But, that doesn't have any effect on current or future draft picks. I don't know if McClellin will be a star or a bust. For that matter, I don't know what any of the players taken tonight will do. If you look back on the history of QB's taken #1 and #2 in the same draft, at least one of them will be a bust. (does that mean Luck or Griffen is going to bust? Who knows)With that said, I can only make judgement based on recent history. The Bears have a stud #1 DE in Peppers. The chance of McClellin being another stud is 50/50 at this point and time. We also know that Webb is not a stud #1 LT. But, if we were to draft one, then we have the same 50/50 chance of getting a stud. (at the very least, we would add some true LT depth to the OL. Everyone keeps saying Webb may develop into a LT, but I have two questions about this. One, what if it takes two more years for Webb to develop? Are we going to lose him in free agency, or have to pay him too much? Two, if Webb is still developing, what does it hurt to take another LT at this time and see if that player ahead of Webb for the LT position. (you could still use Webb as LT depth) Bottom line, ignoring OL problems will have a greater impact if things don't work out with Webb. The offset of adding McClellin will not be enough to overcome the problems of the OL.

I heard rumors from NFL Scouts that they think Reiff is only a Guard. I also heard he can't play LT and is only a RT. We just drafted Carimi...do we really need two RT's?Putting that into perspective, I think going DE and getting a guy they wanted is fine.

Greg Cosell tweeted this morning that Reiff was a good pick for the Lions and he believes Reiff could be a future LT.