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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (2 Viewers)

flapgreen said:
Announced Sitton not gonna brought back.  Off to a good start so far. Glennon won't be far behind 
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How is it off to a good start? Sitton is one of the 5 best guards in the NFL, and probably the best player on the offense. Its not like they are up against the cap or something. This was a mistake in my opinion. 

I'm on board with the Freeman and potential Glennon moves though. 

 
travdogg said:
How is it off to a good start? Sitton is one of the 5 best guards in the NFL, and probably the best player on the offense. Its not like they are up against the cap or something. This was a mistake in my opinion. 

I'm on board with the Freeman and potential Glennon moves though. 
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Agree, reminds me of when we got rid of the last guard (can't remember his name), no idea why we cut him, but we had the money, and didn't replace him until we lucked into Sitton days before the season started.  I thought we needed to plan to start Sitton and draft a mid round guard to get ready to take his place in a year.  Now we need to find a new starting Guard along with everything else.  And that's hoping Long is ready to go or we have issues at the other Guard spot also.

Though I don't think Sitton is a top 5 guard anymore, but still starting caliber and we don't have anyone else behind him to start.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
This team can't afford to keep letting players go without being able to replace them with similar or better talent.  This is how the team got to where they are now in the first place.  At some point you have to be willing to pay certain players.  I'd rather them sign or tag Fuller than waste money on players like Wheaton and Glennon again.
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Don't let him go, offer him what you think is a competitive contract and hope he signs it before FA  If not let him hit FA and hope he's not pissed enough at the team to give us a chance to match/beat what he gets offered elsewhere.  I don't think you can franchise every good but not great player that is up for FA, it starts their bargaining at those top 5 player levels and I don't think Fuller can be considered that after one good year following two bust years.

Help us find the market for him, it worked for Briggs back in the day when he was at the top of his game.

 
The Tick said:
Agree, reminds me of when we got rid of the last guard (can't remember his name), no idea why we cut him, but we had the money, and didn't replace him until we lucked into Sitton days before the season started.  I thought we needed to plan to start Sitton and draft a mid round guard to get ready to take his place in a year.  Now we need to find a new starting Guard along with everything else.  And that's hoping Long is ready to go or we have issues at the other Guard spot also.

Though I don't think Sitton is a top 5 guard anymore, but still starting caliber and we don't have anyone else behind him to start.
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I think you are thinking of Matt Slauson. 

What gets me about the Sitton move is that the o-line was somewhat of a strength. Leno has really come on, and Whitehair is a nice young player. but Sitton helped them both a lot. Also, if they wanted salary, they could have dumped Massie or Long, both are far inferior players to Sitton. Side note, there is this weird idea that Kyle Long is a great player, and he simply isn't. He had 1 good year 3 years ago, and has been either mediocre or injured since. Bobby Massie has zero good years to his name, but Sitton is the one to go?

I get that Sitton is 32, but o-lineman don't age like RB's. Without him, Charles Leno is the only reliable lineman on the team. Sitton was probably one of the 3 best players on the team last year, and has shown no signs of decline, though he has missed some time due to minor injuries. 

I'm curious what the reason for the move is.  They can't think 8 million was too much right? Sitton will almost certainly get more than that on the open market, as the 2nd best OL in free agency after Norwell. Are they hoping for Quenton Nelson?

 
flapgreen said:
I'm on a completely different page with you here. Either franchise him or sign him long-term. Can't let more drafted talent leave. He was extremely good last year. 
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Fuller scares the hell out of me. At this time a year ago, he was a potential trade candidate, and there was almost the chances of a long term contract were close to zero. He had a good year last year, but I can't be the only one afraid that he had your classic contract push year right?

Looking at Fuller's career, he had a rough rookie year, then took a step forward in year 2, though still was just ok. Missed year 3 due to injury, and had a good, but not great, year last year. I'd like to keep him, but certainly nowhere near franchise tag level. Nor for more than 10 million a year. They've got decent CB depth(Callahan is good, LeBlanc is decent) and if Amukamara is 3-4 million cheaper(which he'll be) I think I'd rather keep him, unless its like 9 for Fuller and 5 for Amukamara, then keep both.

 
travdogg said:
How is it off to a good start? Sitton is one of the 5 best guards in the NFL, and probably the best player on the offense. Its not like they are up against the cap or something. This was a mistake in my opinion. 

I'm on board with the Freeman and potential Glennon moves though. 
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31 year old guard is the Best player on offense? What are you smoking? He's a 31 year old guard making 8 million a year. They're obviously going younger at the position.  

 
That dude Nelson from ND sounds nasty. Hear he may not even last til 8. 

 
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RBM said:
Don’t get the Sitton move. 

Franchise Fuller. 

We have plenty of money. 
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Sure you do. They're going younger and likely cheaper at the position. Maybe they grab Nelson in the first or someone else in the draft.  Could be thinking Kush or Sowell. Both cheap. 

 
travdogg said:
I think you are thinking of Matt Slauson. 

What gets me about the Sitton move is that the o-line was somewhat of a strength. Leno has really come on, and Whitehair is a nice young player. but Sitton helped them both a lot. Also, if they wanted salary, they could have dumped Massie or Long, both are far inferior players to Sitton. Side note, there is this weird idea that Kyle Long is a great player, and he simply isn't. He had 1 good year 3 years ago, and has been either mediocre or injured since. Bobby Massie has zero good years to his name, but Sitton is the one to go?

I get that Sitton is 32, but o-lineman don't age like RB's. Without him, Charles Leno is the only reliable lineman on the team. Sitton was probably one of the 3 best players on the team last year, and has shown no signs of decline, though he has missed some time due to minor injuries. 

I'm curious what the reason for the move is.  They can't think 8 million was too much right? Sitton will almost certainly get more than that on the open market, as the 2nd best OL in free agency after Norwell. Are they hoping for Quenton Nelson?
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Massie has been passable and isn't expensive. Who would you replace him with? The tackle market is bare right now. You need to look up Long. They won't save any cap space and would take a huge hit cutting him.  And I'm not even sure what you're talking about he had one good year. He made 3 pro bowls and was rolling until they started moving him around and then he got hurt.  

I'm baffled how upset people are about cutting Sitton. Too expensive for a guy that age at guard when you still have a lot of holes on the team. They'll be fine at guard. 

 
RBM said:
Him and the athlete from Virginia Tech are my top choices right now. 
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Edmunds. I wish they could trade back but they're not in am ideal draft position to do it.  Nelson would be great.  I'm not big on Fitzpatrick even if he falls to 8. Personally, I'd love Roquan Smith. 

 
travdogg said:
Fuller scares the hell out of me. At this time a year ago, he was a potential trade candidate, and there was almost the chances of a long term contract were close to zero. He had a good year last year, but I can't be the only one afraid that he had your classic contract push year right?

Looking at Fuller's career, he had a rough rookie year, then took a step forward in year 2, though still was just ok. Missed year 3 due to injury, and had a good, but not great, year last year. I'd like to keep him, but certainly nowhere near franchise tag level. Nor for more than 10 million a year. They've got decent CB depth(Callahan is good, LeBlanc is decent) and if Amukamara is 3-4 million cheaper(which he'll be) I think I'd rather keep him, unless its like 9 for Fuller and 5 for Amukamara, then keep both.
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Fuller kicked ### most of last year and we couldn't come close to replacing him this year. Everyone is talking about how much cap space we have and how we should've kept Sitton, yet at the same time don't want to pay Fuller. Crazy to me. He's an ascending player and finally figured it out. Same coaching staff in place. No reason to believe he won't keep improving. 

 
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flapgreen said:
31 year old guard is the Best player on offense? What are you smoking? He's a 31 year old guard making 8 million a year. They're obviously going younger at the position.  
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Its not like it was a good offense. I'm not saying you should want a guard as your best player, just that he was. 31 isn't old for a lineman. Who was better? 

 
flapgreen said:
Massie has been passable and isn't expensive. Who would you replace him with? The tackle market is bare right now. You need to look up Long. They won't save any cap space and would take a huge hit cutting him.  And I'm not even sure what you're talking about he had one good year. He made 3 pro bowls and was rolling until they started moving him around and then he got hurt.  

I'm baffled how upset people are about cutting Sitton. Too expensive for a guy that age at guard when you still have a lot of holes on the team. They'll be fine at guard. 
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Massie has been passable, but in a C- kind of way. He's ideally a swing tackle. 

Long has made the pro bowl 3 times because of his name. Other than 2014 he's been mediocre or hurt. I do agree the constant position shuffling probably hasn't helped. That said, at no point has Long ever been better than Sitton. From 2013 to now, Sitton has been the superior player by a fairly large margin. 

I just don't get the too expensive part. Bears have a ton of cap room, and unless they grossly overspend on some terrible free agent moves, they aren't gonna need any cap relief. 

 
In regards to Sitton, I think it's also just frustrating to see actual starting talent cut when there is so much trash sitting on the roster.  Cut the crap out of Gelnnon, McPhee, Sims, Wheaton, Copper, Demps, and Grasu before you start cutting a legitimate every down starter who is maybe only overpaid by a couple mil.   I'm personally betting that Sitton can still get $6M on the open market, probably not the $8M we had him sitting at for the year.

I still think this roster is severely devoid of talent, so I hate it when I see them cutting talent with no obvious replacement.

 
travdogg said:
Its not like it was a good offense. I'm not saying you should want a guard as your best player, just that he was. 31 isn't old for a lineman. Who was better? 
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He may have been one of the better players but only because Fox and Loggains sucked at featuring Howard or Cohen. I'm dogging Sitton. He's still playing well, but 8 million is a lot for a guard his age when you're already invested a lot at the other guard position. There are more effective routes to take for a team still building. 

 
The Tick said:
In regards to Sitton, I think it's also just frustrating to see actual starting talent cut when there is so much trash sitting on the roster.  Cut the crap out of Gelnnon, McPhee, Sims, Wheaton, Copper, Demps, and Grasu before you start cutting a legitimate every down starter who is maybe only overpaid by a couple mil.   I'm personally betting that Sitton can still get $6M on the open market, probably not the $8M we had him sitting at for the year.

I still think this roster is severely devoid of talent, so I hate it when I see them cutting talent with no obvious replacement.
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The players you listed will all be gone soon. 

 
travdogg said:
Massie has been passable, but in a C- kind of way. He's ideally a swing tackle. 

Long has made the pro bowl 3 times because of his name. Other than 2014 he's been mediocre or hurt. I do agree the constant position shuffling probably hasn't helped. That said, at no point has Long ever been better than Sitton. From 2013 to now, Sitton has been the superior player by a fairly large margin. 

I just don't get the too expensive part. Bears have a ton of cap room, and unless they grossly overspend on some terrible free agent moves, they aren't gonna need any cap relief. 
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It's a matter of value. Already invested a lot in Long.  Can find a suitable replacement for Sitton in the draft or free agency that's younger and cheaper. I love Sitton. He's been a great player 

 
travdogg said:
Fuller scares the hell out of me. At this time a year ago, he was a potential trade candidate, and there was almost the chances of a long term contract were close to zero. He had a good year last year, but I can't be the only one afraid that he had your classic contract push year right?

Looking at Fuller's career, he had a rough rookie year, then took a step forward in year 2, though still was just ok. Missed year 3 due to injury, and had a good, but not great, year last year. I'd like to keep him, but certainly nowhere near franchise tag level. Nor for more than 10 million a year. They've got decent CB depth(Callahan is good, LeBlanc is decent) and if Amukamara is 3-4 million cheaper(which he'll be) I think I'd rather keep him, unless its like 9 for Fuller and 5 for Amukamara, then keep both.
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Keeping Fuller and upgrading at the other corner position with someone like Colvin or breeland is how I would go at it. 

 
Not a fan of the decision to cut Sitton. The Bears spent $6M each last year on Dion Sims, Markus Wheaton, and Marcus Cooper, and now they aren't willing to pay $8M for one more season from one of the top 10 guards in the league.

 
ZWK said:
Not a fan of the decision to cut Sitton. The Bears spent $6M each last year on Dion Sims, Markus Wheaton, and Marcus Cooper, and now they aren't willing to pay $8M for one more season from one of the top 10 guards in the league.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. 

 
I would have liked to try and restructure McPhee, but they probably tried and he wasn't interested. Other than the Sitton move, I'm good with everything the Bears have done so far. I wouldn't be against restructuring Glennon either, he's a decent QB to have around as a backup for Trubisky. 

 
travdogg said:
I would have liked to try and restructure McPhee, but they probably tried and he wasn't interested. Other than the Sitton move, I'm good with everything the Bears have done so far. I wouldn't be against restructuring Glennon either, he's a decent QB to have around as a backup for Trubisky. 
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With Glennon that'd be an akward conversation... "ummm, I know we said you'd be our "starting" QB, then you know, we went and drafted a QB with the #2 pick, then after saying he was going to sit for the year benched you for him full time, that being said, how about taking a huge paycut and being this guy's backup for us?  How's that sound to you."

On a more serious side, I'd be no on Glennon as a back-up.  I'd honestly rather have Sanchez resigned.  I know Sanchez can be a bit of a joke, but he had multiple starting years where he could look solid at times, and he knows what he is now.  If you have to throw a qb in for one or two games I think I'd rather it be Sanchez over Glennon.

 
The Tick said:
With Glennon that'd be an akward conversation... "ummm, I know we said you'd be our "starting" QB, then you know, we went and drafted a QB with the #2 pick, then after saying he was going to sit for the year benched you for him full time, that being said, how about taking a huge paycut and being this guy's backup for us?  How's that sound to you."

On a more serious side, I'd be no on Glennon as a back-up.  I'd honestly rather have Sanchez resigned.  I know Sanchez can be a bit of a joke, but he had multiple starting years where he could look solid at times, and he knows what he is now.  If you have to throw a qb in for one or two games I think I'd rather it be Sanchez over Glennon.
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I'm with you.  If they've pushed the chips in on Tru, I don't want the kid looking over his shoulder for even a second.  

I think it would also be good for Glennon, who should really go to a team with a starting veteran QB that he can learn from.

 
Glennon will be gone before free agency begins. Pace just holding out as long as possible seeing if he can sucker someone into a late pick. 

 
The Tick said:
With Glennon that'd be an akward conversation... "ummm, I know we said you'd be our "starting" QB, then you know, we went and drafted a QB with the #2 pick, then after saying he was going to sit for the year benched you for him full time, that being said, how about taking a huge paycut and being this guy's backup for us?  How's that sound to you."

On a more serious side, I'd be no on Glennon as a back-up.  I'd honestly rather have Sanchez resigned.  I know Sanchez can be a bit of a joke, but he had multiple starting years where he could look solid at times, and he knows what he is now.  If you have to throw a qb in for one or two games I think I'd rather it be Sanchez over Glennon.
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From everything I've read Sanchez is also great working with young QBs in the backup role.

 
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Pace at Combine 

#Bears GM Ryan Pace says they will release QB Mike Glennon at the start of the new league year due to a mechanism in his contract.

The #Bears will release OLB Willie Young.

#Bears say the decisions on WR Markus Wheaton & CB Marcus Cooper are an "ongoing evaluation". 

 
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Bears GM Ryan Pace: “I would say cornerback this year in free agency and the draft is a good position so that’s beneficial to us.”

 
Glennon has now been released.

Edit:  I read it wrong.  Glennon to be released per Pace.

 
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