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Max Power said:
I loved the draft.

I hope this punter is as advertised. A punter in the 4th seems like a reach still. However a lot of other teams starting taking random upside shots around that same time.

Bears still need to make a call to a FA DE or two.
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I wonder what Hendrickson from Cincinnati would cost. I saw he was looking to be traded recently.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Max Power said:
I loved the draft.

I hope this punter is as advertised. A punter in the 4th seems like a reach still. However a lot of other teams starting taking random upside shots around that same time.

Bears still need to make a call to a FA DE or two.
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I wonder what Hendrickson from Cincinnati would cost. I saw he was looking to be traded recently.
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I'd be interested at the right price. Bears window started this weekend. No point sitting on cap space. A second legit pass rusher could make this team seriously good.
 
Very good first 3 rounds, did not like what the Bears did on day 3.

Specifically I did not like:
* drafting a punter at 122
* not trading down from 122, especially when Houston gave 127 + a 2025 5th for 123 (so they probably could've gotten a free 2025 5th, and taken the same player at 127 as they did at 122)
* trading a 2025 4th for pick 144

Once they had pick 144 back, Austin Booker was a good choice.

I think part of the problem was that they'd traded away all their picks after round 4, and then they dealt badly with that lack of picks (not waiting on a punter maybe because they didn't have any later picks, getting desperate to trade back into the draft when they saw a player they liked falling).
 
ZWK said:
Very good first 3 rounds, did not like what the Bears did on day 3.

Specifically I did not like:
* drafting a punter at 122
* not trading down from 122, especially when Houston gave 127 + a 2025 5th for 123 (so they probably could've gotten a free 2025 5th, and taken the same player at 127 as they did at 122)
* trading a 2025 4th for pick 144

Once they had pick 144 back, Austin Booker was a good choice.

I think part of the problem was that they'd traded away all their picks after round 4, and then they dealt badly with that lack of picks (not waiting on a punter maybe because they didn't have any later picks, getting desperate to trade back into the draft when they saw a player they liked falling).
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The fact that you're seeing specialists drafted in the 4th shows how shallow this draft really was. That, and the punter is a freakin' stud. Seriously, go watch some highlight reels of the guy. If he can hold down the punting game for the next 20 years, it'll be worth not having the revolving door of suck that the Bears have had recently.
 
How many of you would be in favor of bringing in a second NFL team, say the Arizona Cardinals, and having the owners split the cost of building a new stadium at the Arlington Heights location?
 
3nOut said:
How many of you would be in favor of bringing in a second NFL team, say the Arizona Cardinals, and having the owners split the cost of building a new stadium at the Arlington Heights location?
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I'd hate it. If it was an expansion franchise, I'd hate it less. I'm not local to Chicago anymore and have no plans to go back. I'm sure there is a tax/finance piece I'm not aware of, however from a fan perspective I think a second team in Chicago would always be second fiddle to the Bears. If its a new team, I could see some more buy in from diehard fans.
 
Hoge made me feel good about Williams over the rookie camp. Obviously, expectations are limited, but they were running a go drill with all the WR/TE/RBs and Williams was pinpointing a spot 40 yards down field. No throws were out of bounds, underthrown or anything of the typical variation you'd expected. Gotta say that is encouraging
 

Chicago Bears 2024 schedule, opponents:​

Week 1 (Sept. 8): vs. Tennessee, noon

Week 2 (Sept. 15): @ Houston, 7:20 (Sunday Night Football)

Week 3 (Sept. 22): @ Indianapolis, noon

Week 4 (Sept. 29): vs. Los Angeles Rams, noon

Week 5 (Oct. 5): vs. Carolina, noon

Week 6 (Oct. 13): vs. Jacksonville (London), 8:30 a.m.

Week 7 (Oct. 20): BYE

Week 8 (Oct. 27): @ Washington, noon

Week 9 (Nov. 3): @ Arizona, 3:05 p.m.

Week 10 (Nov. 10): vs. New England, noon

Week 11 (Nov. 17): vs. Green Bay, noon

Week 12 (Nov. 24): vs. Minnesota, noon

Week 13 (Dec. 1): @Detroit, 11:30 a.m. (Thanksgiving)

Week 14 (Dec. 8): @ San Francisco, 3:25

Week 15 (Dec. 16): @ Minnesota, 7:15 p.m. (Monday Night Football)

Week 16 (Dec. 22): vs. Detroit, noon

Week 17 (Dec. 29): vs. Seattle, 7:15 p.m. (Thursday Night Football)

Week 18 (Jan. 5): @ Green Bay, TBD
 
I hate how backloaded the schedule is with Division games, but this is a 10 win season if Caleb is even decent.

I realistically think the Bears could be 8-3 going into Thanksgiving. Probably 7-4 to be safe.
 
Haven't been to a game in years, but want to take the kids to a game this year. Holy smokes, tickets have gone up! Any good ticket resources out there that aren't 100% scams?
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Haven't been to a game in years, but want to take the kids to a game this year. Holy smokes, tickets have gone up! Any good ticket resources out there that aren't 100% scams?
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Buy them on your preferred secondary ticket site (vivid, seatgeek etc) a day or two before the game. The closer to kickoff, the more likely the prices drop.
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Haven't been to a game in years, but want to take the kids to a game this year. Holy smokes, tickets have gone up! Any good ticket resources out there that aren't 100% scams?
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Same, I looked earlier today after being funneled to TicketMaster from the Bears website and I think the lowest ticket price was $214. 😲
 
Max Power said:
I hate how backloaded the schedule is with Division games, but this is a 10 win season if Caleb is even decent.

I realistically think the Bears could be 8-3 going into Thanksgiving. Probably 7-4 to be safe.
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You guys are def in the WC hunt (minimum) - outplayed the Lions 2x last year

All depends on #18 & if the OL stays healthy; still kind of weak at IOL & IMO it’s the 4th best unit in the North (but probably 16-20 league wide)

That D is legit - lot of good moves this offseason to surround Caleb with talent; would def give Poles an A for the offseason
 
Max Power said:
I hate how backloaded the schedule is with Division games, but this is a 10 win season if Caleb is even decent.

I realistically think the Bears could be 8-3 going into Thanksgiving. Probably 7-4 to be safe.
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I'm of the belief this would have been a wildcard team this year if Fields was still the QB. With Caleb, if he's better than Fields (likely) then this is a potentially scary team.
 
Well this will be interesting!

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Apparently Nate Davis doesn't want to practice anymore. OL is banged up and the lack of depth is showing already. Not a good sign to start the preseason.

Other interesting note is that Velus Jones is now working with the Runningbacks. If that experiment doesn't work out, he is a likely cut.
 
Max Power said:
Apparently Nate Davis doesn't want to practice anymore. OL is banged up and the lack of depth is showing already. Not a good sign to start the preseason.

Other interesting note is that Velus Jones is now working with the Runningbacks. If that experiment doesn't work out, he is a likely cut.
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The Bears still have about 20mil of cap space. I wonder if they are considering going after another IOL free agent or two? Maybe after pre-season cuts?
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Max Power said:
Apparently Nate Davis doesn't want to practice anymore. OL is banged up and the lack of depth is showing already. Not a good sign to start the preseason.

Other interesting note is that Velus Jones is now working with the Runningbacks. If that experiment doesn't work out, he is a likely cut.
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The Bears still have about 20mil of cap space. I wonder if they are considering going after another IOL free agent or two? Maybe after pre-season cuts?
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I think they need to. Down 3 starters (temporarily) on an average unit is ugly.

I missed Connor Williams signing with Seattle too. I thought he was a shot worth taking.

The lines are starting to make me nervous.
 
Decent effort thus far vs Cincy. Offense was average with the starters in but Williams started showing signs of the creative game we are expected to see. He threw a beautiful pass to Odunze after the pocket broke down to setup a first and goal late in the second q. On the red zone series, Williams made a nice shake n bake and threw a beautiful pass into the back of the end zone but Odunze was out of bounds. His rushing TD was a work of art setting up defenders w juke moves than following lead blocker into the EZ. Worth reviewing if you haven’t seen the game.

Herbert looked decent on a couple of runs. Nothing stood out for DJ. Williams missed a wide open Everett on another broken play which had potential for a juicy chain move.

Defense played well but more of the bend dont break in the first half. Some big plays and a nice crushing sack on Cincy starter. Good pick in there on a ball batted at the line.

Bagent looks very good thus far but its second half and Cincy is fielding reserve defender.
 
BIRDGANG52 said:
He's the best Quarterback in the NFC.
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He is special for sure. Hate saying it but his Bear legacy is going to have a major lift off if he does to the Packers what Favre and Rogers did to the Bears. You know the two inches away from getting the sack for loss but instead it turns into a big gain pass for a first down or TD in the fourth q for the go-ahead. Or the dang Packer screen for the 35 yard fain every flipping year for the past 30 years. Its time but I expect rookie mistakes. Just stay healthy
 
The team needed a DT, but weird that they'd trade a 6th round pick for a 5th year player with 107 career snaps who spent last year bouncing around between different practice squads.
 
ZWK said:
The team needed a DT, but weird that they'd trade a 6th round pick for a 5th year player with 107 career snaps who spent last year bouncing around between different practice squads.
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Agree, but hopefully they see something in him they can unlock. Bears did get a 7th back in the deal as well, so it's really only dropping 30-40 spots late in a draft.
 
calcinorjones said:
BIRDGANG52 said:
He's the best Quarterback in the NFC.
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He is special for sure. Hate saying it but his Bear legacy is going to have a major lift off if he does to the Packers what Favre and Rogers did to the Bears.
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It's like Morpheus talking to Neo about the Agents
" I won’t lie to you, Caleb. Every recent Bears quarterback who has stood their ground, everyone who has fought the Packers has lost. But where they have failed, you will succeed."

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Rumor is Blasingame will be brought back shortly after an IR move is made.

I really hate that Velus Jones made this team. I'm over him. Bears apparently value his versatility and ability to run with the ball in his hands. His problem in my eyes is that he can't catch and puts the ball on the ground WAY too often. This will probably cost them a game at some point this season.

I also hate the drop off after the top 3 WRs. Scott is decent, but I don't trust him yet. Carter and Jones are special teams guys and not WRs. Too much WR talent was cut yesterday to not bring in competition for the WR 4-6 spots.
 
Max Power said:
Rumor is Blasingame will be brought back shortly after an IR move is made.

I really hate that Velus Jones made this team. I'm over him. Bears apparently value his versatility and ability to run with the ball in his hands. His problem in my eyes is that he can't catch and puts the ball on the ground WAY too often. This will probably cost them a game at some point this season.

I also hate the drop off after the top 3 WRs. Scott is decent, but I don't trust him yet. Carter and Jones are special teams guys and not WRs. Too much WR talent was cut yesterday to not bring in competition for the WR 4-6 spots.
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I think they can see some Patterson to Velus Jones, and he offers a different level of explosiveness than the other RBs. Plus he is a solid returner, assuming he has/can fix his fumbling, which is a lot easier to fix than making someone more athletic.

I think Tyler Scott is a solid prospect, as a subpackage guy. Could do a lot worse as a #4, that's really more of like #7, factoring in Kmet/Everett/Swift. Having said that, I wouldn't mind throwing a flier on Brandon Rice with his experience with Caleb at USC.

I'm mostly glad they didn't stupidly move on from Khalil Herbert like some had predicted. This feels like a realistic playoff team.
 
Bowling-shoe ugly, but a win is a win. Better days will be ahead for Williams , but he just couldn't get in rhythm. Hopefully the o-line starts to come together a lot better as well. The interior lone got busted up.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Bowling-shoe ugly, but a win is a win. Better days will be ahead for Williams , but he just couldn't get in rhythm. Hopefully the o-line starts to come together a lot better as well. The interior lone got busted up.
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Bears may struggle against good lines this year. I'll give credit to Jeffery Simmons. He is an Elite DT.

I'm glad they got the win. Caleb missed on at least two open throws and Allen dropped a TD. Those things can't happen.

I hope Caleb got a little humbled today and cleans up some things next week. I like the guy's attitude, and he stayed positive even when things weren't going well.

I'm a little disappointed in Waldron. The play calling seemed off and the Titans looked very prepared for him.

Darrell Taylor was an amazing addition to the DL.

Bears need to cut Velus Jones and sign (or trade for) a veteran WR who can catch. Carter takes over all return duties.
 
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
 
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
 
Chreesto said:
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
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One of the local sports radio personalities in Chicago had a good theory about the OL: Poles & Cunningham were both OL during their brief playing careers. They were undersized, high character guys so that’s the kind of OL they target in the draft & free agency. Unfortunately for them, you need maulers!
 
Chreesto said:
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
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The IOL has been my biggest concern for the past 3 years. It has to be the worst group (worst coached group) in the league by far. It is beyond concerning that the OL has been terrible for the last 3 years, yet we still retain Chris Morgan. Biggest red flag I have is that the line has looked Keystone Cop-ish for the first few games of the season for the PAST 3 SEASONS. That's telling me that the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of getting these guys prepared for anything other than the vanilla defenses they see in the pre-season. In fairness, the line has gotten significantly better as the season progresses (week 4 seems to stand out as a watershed for the past few years). Still, the lack of preparedness and the absolute lostness of the interior guys makes me think this is on the coaching staff and is unacceptable at the NFL level.
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Chreesto said:
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
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The IOL has been my biggest concern for the past 3 years. It has to be the worst group (worst coached group) in the league by far. It is beyond concerning that the OL has been terrible for the last 3 years, yet we still retain Chris Morgan. Biggest red flag I have is that the line has looked Keystone Cop-ish for the first few games of the season for the PAST 3 SEASONS. That's telling me that the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of getting these guys prepared for anything other than the vanilla defenses they see in the pre-season. In fairness, the line has gotten significantly better as the season progresses (week 4 seems to stand out as a watershed for the past few years). Still, the lack of preparedness and the absolute lostness of the interior guys makes me think this is on the coaching staff and is unacceptable at the NFL level.
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The chat sports Bears guy was going off on Chris Morgan today. OL is regressing and the Bears have about the worst run game in the NFL. Caleb Williams is our leading rusher.

The Colts have no run D at all. If Chicago can't right the ship this weekend, there needs to be massive changes going forward.
 
Max Power said:
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Chreesto said:
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
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The IOL has been my biggest concern for the past 3 years. It has to be the worst group (worst coached group) in the league by far. It is beyond concerning that the OL has been terrible for the last 3 years, yet we still retain Chris Morgan. Biggest red flag I have is that the line has looked Keystone Cop-ish for the first few games of the season for the PAST 3 SEASONS. That's telling me that the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of getting these guys prepared for anything other than the vanilla defenses they see in the pre-season. In fairness, the line has gotten significantly better as the season progresses (week 4 seems to stand out as a watershed for the past few years). Still, the lack of preparedness and the absolute lostness of the interior guys makes me think this is on the coaching staff and is unacceptable at the NFL level.
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The chat sports Bears guy was going off on Chris Morgan today. OL is regressing and the Bears have about the worst run game in the NFL. Caleb Williams is our leading rusher.

The Colts have no run D at all. If Chicago can't right the ship this weekend, there needs to be massive changes going forward.
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I've been a Bears fan long enough to know that nothing will happen until the offseason.
 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Max Power said:
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Chreesto said:
Max Power said:
Waldron is moving up my list of "problems". I'm souring on him pretty quickly. I can't believe how out of sync the Bears offense looked on SNF. There were at least 4 or 5 times where players are throwing up their hands like they don't know what they are supposed to do. False starts, delay of games, wrong routes... this is a sloppy offense.

Flus is also back on the radar for hot seat. His team is committing stupid errors and he's just standing on the sidelines not getting upset like its "ok". I love what he does on the defense, but he is just not a head coach in the NFL. Bears really need to look at Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowick next year.

Poles didn't do enough to sure up the IOL. Davis is terrible. Shelton is basically a Whitehair clone. The IOL likely sinks the team this year and hopefully doesn't stunt Caleb's development.

At this point, I'd consider trading Herbert or Roschon for warm IOL bodies.
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I agree with this. Two things concerned me this offseason, well, actually three things:
1) keeping eberflus as hc instead of bringing in an offensive HC to develop caleb
2) the whole offensive line
3) defensive end opposite sweat

Of those three concerns, the one that bothered me most was defensive end. That doesn’t seem to be a problem, the defense looks good and I could see it getting even better. Now I’m really worried about the coaching staff, even more than the O line. If they can’t get this offense figured out, we are looking at a switch next year. I can’t imagine that sort of turnover is good for Williams. This has always felt like a structural trap in the making, if Waldron sucks, he is gone. If Waldron is great, he may also be gone to greener pastures as a head coach. Right now it’s looking like he sucks. I can’t bear to watch the Clint-kubiak-led offense of the saints. He could have been ours, right from the Shanahan tree.
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The IOL has been my biggest concern for the past 3 years. It has to be the worst group (worst coached group) in the league by far. It is beyond concerning that the OL has been terrible for the last 3 years, yet we still retain Chris Morgan. Biggest red flag I have is that the line has looked Keystone Cop-ish for the first few games of the season for the PAST 3 SEASONS. That's telling me that the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of getting these guys prepared for anything other than the vanilla defenses they see in the pre-season. In fairness, the line has gotten significantly better as the season progresses (week 4 seems to stand out as a watershed for the past few years). Still, the lack of preparedness and the absolute lostness of the interior guys makes me think this is on the coaching staff and is unacceptable at the NFL level.
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The chat sports Bears guy was going off on Chris Morgan today. OL is regressing and the Bears have about the worst run game in the NFL. Caleb Williams is our leading rusher.

The Colts have no run D at all. If Chicago can't right the ship this weekend, there needs to be massive changes going forward.
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I've been a Bears fan long enough to know that nothing will happen until the offseason.
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Not sure what can be done. Trades in mid season is usually malcontents or vets that are over the hill. Good o-linemen don't get traded often.
 
Tried to be positive about the Waldron hire but I just can't any longer. Hearing the Seattle beat guys talking about him at the time of the hire made me very nervous. Seeing our issues and Geno playing well again made me realize they were probably right about him.

Don't know what Poles was thinking not beefing up the o line knowing he was going to be picking a hot shot rookie who was going to be playing right away.
 
It's kind of weird if the Bears haven't addressed the offensive line yet. Isn't that Poles background?

When the Vikings were considering him as their GM this was one of the things I liked about him.

It always takes time for linemen to develop if they do.
 
Biabreakable said:
It's kind of weird if the Bears haven't addressed the offensive line yet. Isn't that Poles background?

When the Vikings were considering him as their GM this was one of the things I liked about him.

It always takes time for linemen to develop if they do.
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I think on paper the line looked better than it is. Braxton Jones is a serviceable OT and Wright should improve to be a solid RT. Jenkins was looking like he turned the corner as a starting G in the league. I was looking at it as having three plus level starters on the OL. Nate Davis SHOULD have been better this year. He got a pass for off-field stuff last season, but the reality is that he isn't good.

Traded for Bates who might be decent at Center but is on IR currently. Coleman is a backup who isn't very good either.

Hard not to look at this situation and point at Poles for not doing enough. I think some of the blame should fall on him. He put too much faith on IOL improving internally.

All that said - Mark Schlereth was on Chicago radio yesterday blaming the OC for how bad the OL looks. Saying less talented lines have performed better due to scheme and play calling. Leaving these lineman 1 on 1 vs DL/LB is a losing strategy in the NFL. Defensive players are just better athletes.
 
Biabreakable said:
It's kind of weird if the Bears haven't addressed the offensive line yet. Isn't that Poles background?

When the Vikings were considering him as their GM this was one of the things I liked about him.

It always takes time for linemen to develop if they do.
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My assumption is that Poles thought he could pick up a ragtag crew of OLs at bargain prices and make them a unit. So far that hasn't worked. In hindsight (and as much as I love having Odunze on the team), it would have been smarter to trade down from 9 and into the 20s and get some OL help with that pick and the additional picks.
 
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