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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (4 Viewers)

I'm feeling a Chicago upset this weekend against Detroit.
Bears can score in the 20s against that Defense.
Should be the case but then again we have seen the mistakes - guys forgetting to report on offensive plays, offensive lineman fumbling at the goaline, misuse of timeouts and “star” QB running for his life. Actually think it will be an entertaining game, but in the end…
 
During this 8-game losing streak, the Bears are averaging 4 points in the first half of games.
I've been struggling to wrap my head around that. Is it because Caleb is nervous and has to take nearly a full half to calm down? Is the playcalling terrible until adjustments can be made in the 2nd half? Are there other reasons this could be happening with different coaches/OCs etc?
 
During this 8-game losing streak, the Bears are averaging 4 points in the first half of games.
I've been struggling to wrap my head around that. Is it because Caleb is nervous and has to take nearly a full half to calm down? Is the playcalling terrible until adjustments can be made in the 2nd half? Are there other reasons this could be happening with different coaches/OCs etc?
I blamed Waldron initially because the slow starts were a problem before the losing streak. After shuffling coaches it's still a problem, but the consistent is Caleb. I dont know where the disconnect is either, but Caleb always seems to elevate his game when the Bears go to a no huddle, fast pace offense. I wish they would come out that way and start firing from the jump.

I'm also starting to get annoyed with how safe Caleb is with his throws at times. He checks down a lot and I acknowledge one of the biggest critiques early in the year was him looking for the big play too often and not taking what the Defense is giving him. However at this point, the offense is averaging less than 15 points a game during the losing streak and Caleb misses too many easy throws to continue to play checkdown ball.

This season is over and we're all hoping to see more growth, but optimism for the future is starting to waiver. I thought the Bears could be a playoff team this season. Now I'm hoping for the playoffs in 2026.
 
Dan Pompei in The Athletic wrote a long column pitching Ron Rivera to be the Bears next head coach. It was a compelling read.

A few things stuck out: how he worked with Cam Newton. After drafting Newton, Rivera sent his entire offensive staff down to Auburn to learn exactly what kind of offense they built around him, and then replicated it in the Panthers playbook. He could do the same for Williams.

Rivera can't take all the blame for what happened in Washington because Dan Snyder is a truly awful, soul destroying human being. Pompei listed the dismal records that successful, accomplished coaches had under his ownership--Gibbs/Shanahan/Spurrier all floundered under Snyder.

The Bears need a serious culture change. Rivera was on the legendary 1985 team. Rivera was the Bears defensive coordinator when they went to the Super Bowl in 2006. He would be the first Bears ex-player to be head coach since a certain mustachioed young man from Aliquippa, PA.

I hadn't given much thought to Rivera, but the column was an eye opener.
 
Dan Pompei in The Athletic wrote a long column pitching Ron Rivera to be the Bears next head coach. It was a compelling read.

A few things stuck out: how he worked with Cam Newton. After drafting Newton, Rivera sent his entire offensive staff down to Auburn to learn exactly what kind of offense they built around him, and then replicated it in the Panthers playbook. He could do the same for Williams.

Rivera can't take all the blame for what happened in Washington because Dan Snyder is a truly awful, soul destroying human being. Pompei listed the dismal records that successful, accomplished coaches had under his ownership--Gibbs/Shanahan/Spurrier all floundered under Snyder.

The Bears need a serious culture change. Rivera was on the legendary 1985 team. Rivera was the Bears defensive coordinator when they went to the Super Bowl in 2006. He would be the first Bears ex-player to be head coach since a certain mustachioed young man from Aliquippa, PA.

I hadn't given much thought to Rivera, but the column was an eye opener.
Rivera definitely gets credit for growing on the job (Riverboat Ron).

The problem with a defensive head coach paired with a "generational QB", or at least we hope one, are well-versed though. Will this mean cycling offensive coordinators? Will Rivera accept defense being a lower priority in free agency and the draft? It's telling that under Eberflus the Bears have the 7th most cap space invested in defense, and have used four 2nd round picks in the last three drafts on defense - i.e. the coach has his own priorities for personnel.

The Bears have to stop playing a game that no one else is playing anymore. Is Rivera the coach to lead that? Can't say I'm certain on it.
 
I’ve been a bears fan for 30 years. I’m done. This is the most embarrassing **** I’ve ever seen. I’ll be back when we draft Arch mannings great-grandson with our 87th #1 pick in a row and pair him with the 119th OC and 103rd HC in a row.
 
This is the worst offensive line I have seen in my 40 years as a fan of this team. I don't think I've ever seen a general manager fail s badly as Poles has. Maybe the guy that hired Trestman was worse. Maybe not. This team is extremely difficult to watch and is just so poorly constructed.
 
They should fire Eberflus again just on principal

Just looked it up to be sure, he actually had a worse record than Matt Patricia (.304, .314)

Hey.....this could be the dawn of a new era in Chicago...it's right around the corner....
 
They should fire Eberflus again just on principal

Just looked it up to be sure, he actually had a worse record than Matt Patricia (.304, .314)

Hey.....this could be the dawn of a new era in Chicago...it's right around the corner....
They definitely need to get the Eberflus stink out of the building by firing everyone associated with him. Dude led a very lax culture at practice and in the film room and it shows. The Bears really need a cult of personality type of coach who can bring renewed energy to the good players already rostered.
 
After wasting 3 hours of my life yesterday watching this utter disaster I am convinced that Poles needs to go. If I owned the team I would fire him today. Poles needs to answer to this debacle - no HC, no OC no OL. There was zero leadership on the field or in the locker room after they returned from London. Its been quite a while since I have seen such a collapse. The team continues to be run by a guy that has zero business holding a HC clipboard. The probability of the Bears already ruining Williams is high. A bit sensational? We have seen this before. The Bears had zero business drafting this kid. They break nice things and frankly don’t care because the stadium was sold out and 80% of the fans were wearing their merchandise. 40 dang years no championship. Now they are going to GB to be spit roasted and humiliated again. Did ya notice the fans screaming sell the team late fourth quarter? The McCasky clan, Poles, White the clown commish all sitting there in their warm dry VIP boxes eating prime rib and bouche de noelle cakes. Freaking disgraceful!!!! They sell tradition and deliver losing.
 
Vrabel would make sense, but he is probably smart enough not to go there.
The Pete Carroll rumors make no sense. They need a younger offensive mind
I hadn't seen those rumors. I will burn all my Bears gear if Pete Carroll becomes head coach. A 73 year old head coach just doesn't have the zeal and energy to make the cultural changes that need to be made in Halas Hall.

I could get down with Vrabel as long as the Bears allow him to open up the checkbook for an OC and offensive staff. Better yet, I'd prefer them get an offensive minded HC (Ben Johnson) and a solid DC (Saleh?).
 
Vrabel would make sense, but he is probably smart enough not to go there.
The Pete Carroll rumors make no sense. They need a younger offensive mind
I hadn't seen those rumors. I will burn all my Bears gear if Pete Carroll becomes head coach. A 73 year old head coach just doesn't have the zeal and energy to make the cultural changes that need to be made in Halas Hall.

I could get down with Vrabel as long as the Bears allow him to open up the checkbook for an OC and offensive staff. Better yet, I'd prefer them get an offensive minded HC (Ben Johnson) and a solid DC (Saleh?).
Ben Johnson would bring some excitement, although hard to know how he would perform as a head coach. Also think he is going to wait until the right front office fit comes along. Heck, he is young enough where he could wait for Andy Reid to retire (not to say KC would give him the job, but he has time to be picky).
 
Vrabel would make sense, but he is probably smart enough not to go there.
The Pete Carroll rumors make no sense. They need a younger offensive mind
I hadn't seen those rumors. I will burn all my Bears gear if Pete Carroll becomes head coach. A 73 year old head coach just doesn't have the zeal and energy to make the cultural changes that need to be made in Halas Hall.

I could get down with Vrabel as long as the Bears allow him to open up the checkbook for an OC and offensive staff. Better yet, I'd prefer them get an offensive minded HC (Ben Johnson) and a solid DC (Saleh?).
Ben Johnson would bring some excitement, although hard to know how he would perform as a head coach. Also think he is going to wait until the right front office fit comes along. Heck, he is young enough where he could wait for Andy Reid to retire (not to say KC would give him the job, but he has time to be picky).
Agreed. He holds the cards career-wise and I'm sure his salary is above the league average 1.5mil for coordinators. I THINK he's been with Dan Campbell long enough to know the importance of creating a real football culture in the locker room.

You've got to figure that the following teams will be looking for a HC in 2025:

Bears
Jets
Saints
Jags
Giants
Raiders
Cowboys
Patriots(?)

The truth is, none of those clubs are the perfect gig. The Saints are in salary cap hell. They will be strapped for at least another 2 years. Front office culture sucks in Chicago, Dallas, and NYJ. QB talent is a problem in LVR and NYG. And we don't know if the Patriots are ready to move on from Jerod Mayo.

Here are the potential candidates for HC positions in 2025:

Ben Johnson
Mike Vrabel
Joe Brady
Liam Coen
Marcus Freeman
Kellen Moore
Bobby Slowik
Thomas Brown
Aaron Glenn
Brian Flores
Todd Monken
Bill Belichick (maybe)
(apparently) Pete Carroll
plus a host of other retread HC prospects

You've got to think that for an offensive minded HC, three teams stand out: Dallas and Chicago. Both have what most consider franchise QBs. Both have solid offensive weapons. Jacksonville could potentially be in the group as well, but I'm not sure NFL Offensive coaches view TLaw as a franchise QB.

My guess is that the Bears cheap out (again) at HC and pick a guy like Coen or keep Brown and add unheralded coordinators to the mix just like they always do. That'll signal the end of the Poles era and he'll be gone next year. Same as it ever was. My PREFERENCE would be to bring in a guy like Vrabel as HC and a strong set of coordinators to set the culture in the locker room. I honestly think Vrabel can do that in Chicago. I'm also of the mindset that Brian Flores could do similar in the locker room. My concern with Johnson/Brady/Slowik/Coen is that they are all under 40 and haven't really faced a ton of adversity, which WILL come in Chicago.
 
Another royal **** up from the Bears passing on Harbaugh and keeping their "leader of men" coach that they end up firing halfway through the season. Add in the ultimate beta male in Poles and you have a couple of butt chuggers who are destined for eternal failure. This organization will never be successful until the entire McCaskey family is 6 feet under. Losers
 
I'm still hearing its Ben Johnson's job to turn down. His agent is demanding a 6 year contract and the number isn't scaring the Bears off. There are also rumors that Johnson wants to make some player personnel decisions, which could cloud things.

My list would be

Johnson

Vrabel

Flores/Kingsbury
 
I'm already in offseason mode.

Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
 
I'm already in offseason mode.
Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
I like where you're going with the 1st 4 picks. Obviously this is super early in the rookie eval process, but here's what I'd like to see. I'd prefer to see a 2nd OG taken at #40 or possibly an OC if one vaults up the rankings a bit (Wilson, maybe?).
 
I'm already in offseason mode.
Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
I like where you're going with the 1st 4 picks. Obviously this is super early in the rookie eval process, but here's what I'd like to see. I'd prefer to see a 2nd OG taken at #40 or possibly an OC if one vaults up the rankings a bit (Wilson, maybe?).
Its always hard to guess what rounds 2 and 3 look like. Bears have to go Trenches with their first 2-3 picks, and while I'd like 3x OL, I think its just too much youth for one season.

3rd round is probably the last chance to get a playmaker since they don't have a 4th. A 4th rounder would be great for a two down RB. This is such a deep class, there might be an option or two in the 5th.

They have to let Keenan walk and bring in some speed. FA class for a speed WR is weak. Hollywood Brown is about the only option.
 
I'm already in offseason mode.
Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
I like where you're going with the 1st 4 picks. Obviously this is super early in the rookie eval process, but here's what I'd like to see. I'd prefer to see a 2nd OG taken at #40 or possibly an OC if one vaults up the rankings a bit (Wilson, maybe?).
Its always hard to guess what rounds 2 and 3 look like. Bears have to go Trenches with their first 2-3 picks, and while I'd like 3x OL, I think its just too much youth for one season.

3rd round is probably the last chance to get a playmaker since they don't have a 4th. A 4th rounder would be great for a two down RB. This is such a deep class, there might be an option or two in the 5th.

They have to let Keenan walk and bring in some speed. FA class for a speed WR is weak. Hollywood Brown is about the only option.
Agreed. I think a lot hinges on what defensive scheme the new HC/DC uses. For sure, we won't be in a 4-2-5 on 80% of plays anymore. That means we'll need more help at LB and DT.

I need to think more on the KA situation. I do think his current talents could be used so much better with a creative HC/OC.
 
I'm already in offseason mode.
Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
I like where you're going with the 1st 4 picks. Obviously this is super early in the rookie eval process, but here's what I'd like to see. I'd prefer to see a 2nd OG taken at #40 or possibly an OC if one vaults up the rankings a bit (Wilson, maybe?).
Its always hard to guess what rounds 2 and 3 look like. Bears have to go Trenches with their first 2-3 picks, and while I'd like 3x OL, I think its just too much youth for one season.

3rd round is probably the last chance to get a playmaker since they don't have a 4th. A 4th rounder would be great for a two down RB. This is such a deep class, there might be an option or two in the 5th.

They have to let Keenan walk and bring in some speed. FA class for a speed WR is weak. Hollywood Brown is about the only option.
Agreed. I think a lot hinges on what defensive scheme the new HC/DC uses. For sure, we won't be in a 4-2-5 on 80% of plays anymore. That means we'll need more help at LB and DT.

I need to think more on the KA situation. I do think his current talents could be used so much better with a creative HC/OC.
Allen was a good addition for Caleb this year, but I think his money would be better spent elsewhere. He's going to want one last pay day and might even want a contender. Guessing he'll ask for 17-19 mil per year range. I'm ok letting him walk and getting Kmet more involved. Its a travesty how the Bears used Kmet this year. The whole TE room in fact. Gerald Everatt is a very good TE2 who has averaged 400 yards and 3TDs a season and he has 36 yards with the Bears. Heck, I could replace that production.

I like what Rome has shown and I'm happy with him stepping into WR2. I'm not good with Scott as WR3, so there is a big hole if KA goes.
 
I'm already in offseason mode.
Picks 9, 37,40,71 in the first three rounds.

Perfect Draft I'd go...

9 OT Campbell
37 OG Ratledge
40 DE Shamar Stuart
71 RB/WR that best fits a Ben Johnson Offense. Bears could use an early down bigger RB and a WR who can stretch the field. Judkins or Evan Stewart
I like where you're going with the 1st 4 picks. Obviously this is super early in the rookie eval process, but here's what I'd like to see. I'd prefer to see a 2nd OG taken at #40 or possibly an OC if one vaults up the rankings a bit (Wilson, maybe?).
Its always hard to guess what rounds 2 and 3 look like. Bears have to go Trenches with their first 2-3 picks, and while I'd like 3x OL, I think its just too much youth for one season.

3rd round is probably the last chance to get a playmaker since they don't have a 4th. A 4th rounder would be great for a two down RB. This is such a deep class, there might be an option or two in the 5th.

They have to let Keenan walk and bring in some speed. FA class for a speed WR is weak. Hollywood Brown is about the only option.
Agreed. I think a lot hinges on what defensive scheme the new HC/DC uses. For sure, we won't be in a 4-2-5 on 80% of plays anymore. That means we'll need more help at LB and DT.

I need to think more on the KA situation. I do think his current talents could be used so much better with a creative HC/OC.
Allen was a good addition for Caleb this year, but I think his money would be better spent elsewhere. He's going to want one last pay day and might even want a contender. Guessing he'll ask for 17-19 mil per year range. I'm ok letting him walk and getting Kmet more involved. Its a travesty how the Bears used Kmet this year. The whole TE room in fact. Gerald Everatt is a very good TE2 who has averaged 400 yards and 3TDs a season and he has 36 yards with the Bears. Heck, I could replace that production.

I like what Rome has shown and I'm happy with him stepping into WR2. I'm not good with Scott as WR3, so there is a big hole if KA goes.
Usage of Kmet was one of the biggest fails this season.
 
I'm still hearing its Ben Johnson's job to turn down. His agent is demanding a 6 year contract and the number isn't scaring the Bears off. There are also rumors that Johnson wants to make some player personnel decisions, which could cloud things.

My list would be

Johnson

Vrabel

Flores/Kingsbury
Johnson isn't coming here if Poles is here. He'll go to a much better situation in Jacksonville. Keeping Poles sends a terrible message. Just says we're not serious about winning.
 
Another royal **** up from the Bears passing on Harbaugh and keeping their "leader of men" coach that they end up firing halfway through the season. Add in the ultimate beta male in Poles and you have a couple of butt chuggers who are destined for eternal failure. This organization will never be successful until the entire McCaskey family is 6 feet under. Losers
Welcome back Flap. Same **** show as always.
 
I'm still hearing its Ben Johnson's job to turn down. His agent is demanding a 6 year contract and the number isn't scaring the Bears off. There are also rumors that Johnson wants to make some player personnel decisions, which could cloud things.

My list would be

Johnson

Vrabel

Flores/Kingsbury
Johnson isn't coming here if Poles is here. He'll go to a much better situation in Jacksonville. Keeping Poles sends a terrible message. Just says we're not serious about winning.
Is Jax that much better of a landing spot for Johnson? They have an awful defense, exactly 1 WR who's worth a crap, an ancient pass catching TE who has seemingly missed more games than he's played and a below average (PFF grade) OL. Baalke has blown some really high draft picks and the front office seems slow to react to incredibly poor performance.

ETA - Lawrence is also an issue with a $55mil per year contract and locked in cap wise until 2028.
 
I'm still hearing its Ben Johnson's job to turn down. His agent is demanding a 6 year contract and the number isn't scaring the Bears off. There are also rumors that Johnson wants to make some player personnel decisions, which could cloud things.

My list would be

Johnson

Vrabel

Flores/Kingsbury
Johnson isn't coming here if Poles is here. He'll go to a much better situation in Jacksonville. Keeping Poles sends a terrible message. Just says we're not serious about winning.
Is Jax that much better of a landing spot for Johnson? They have an awful defense, exactly 1 WR who's worth a crap, an ancient pass catching TE who has seemingly missed more games than he's played and a below average (PFF grade) OL. Baalke has blown some really high draft picks and the front office seems slow to react to incredibly poor performance.

ETA - Lawrence is also an issue with a $55mil per year contract and locked in cap wise until 2028.
If he gets his choice of GM (instead of Poles), then yes, it is a much better landing spot for him.
 
I'm still hearing its Ben Johnson's job to turn down. His agent is demanding a 6 year contract and the number isn't scaring the Bears off. There are also rumors that Johnson wants to make some player personnel decisions, which could cloud things.

My list would be

Johnson

Vrabel

Flores/Kingsbury
Johnson isn't coming here if Poles is here. He'll go to a much better situation in Jacksonville. Keeping Poles sends a terrible message. Just says we're not serious about winning.
Is Jax that much better of a landing spot for Johnson? They have an awful defense, exactly 1 WR who's worth a crap, an ancient pass catching TE who has seemingly missed more games than he's played and a below average (PFF grade) OL. Baalke has blown some really high draft picks and the front office seems slow to react to incredibly poor performance.

ETA - Lawrence is also an issue with a $55mil per year contract and locked in cap wise until 2028.
Similarly talented roster but they have an owner who wants to win and will do what it takes.
 
We could have moved to 7, but are now at 10. Hopefully that little blip doesn't cost us a top offensive lineman.
Lot of talent there. Should get two immediate starters on OL and DT if they don’t botch it
Both DTs from Michigan are beasts. I don't think they'll be there at 10 though. Will Campbell is a possibility at OT, but who knows if he'll be there?
They have so many holes on both sides of the line and I no longer trust that Poles is the right to fix them.
 
We could have moved to 7, but are now at 10. Hopefully that little blip doesn't cost us a top offensive lineman.
Lot of talent there. Should get two immediate starters on OL and DT if they don’t botch it
Both DTs from Michigan are beasts. I don't think they'll be there at 10 though. Will Campbell is a possibility at OT, but who knows if he'll be there?
They have so many holes on both sides of the line and I no longer trust that Poles is the right to fix them.
Agree 100%. Poles would trade pieces of that draft capital for risky players
 

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