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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I agree and it does seem like chasing your tail at the position but I guess you have to draw a line somewhere with the money. Im interested to see who out of Huff, Agholor and Matthews emerges as the 1
They've spent the entire offseason and all its valuable resources replacing -- and probably slightly devaluing -- the team's strengths, while letting every real need go all but utterly unaddressed. And before you think to yourself, "Chip has a plan," his plan revolved around his stated premise that his system could create silk purses out of sows' ears at precisely the positions he's now used up all the team's resources on. "I have a plan, but I'm not going to use it, because I like shiny objects."
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Chip has no plan. Guy is hopelessly at sea as everything but an OC.
Balco
Footballguy
The Eagles have been solid since Kelly took over a terrible team. Not sure how you can say he is in over his head.
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Chip has no plan. Guy is hopelessly at sea as everything but an OC.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
My prediction is Chip is coaching in college by no later than 2018.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It seems extremely bold to me. He's been successful in the NFL so far, and seems poised for more success. If he wanted to go back to college, he probably wouldn't have left in the first place.
GoBirds
Footballguy
He's not even under contract that long. If he continues to succeed he will have great opportunities in college or pros. Hardly bold.
Banger
Footballguy
He took over a crap team with no qb, no defense, a good RB and some decent wr's and havent they led the league in yardage over the past 2 years?Seems to me it's working fine.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
So funny how many people still think Chip is clueless...there were a lot of those when he left Oregon, too.
Has he been perfect every step of the way? No.
But he turned a 4-12 team into two 10-6 teams, while fielding the #2 offense in the NFL over the last 2 seasons behind only the Broncos. Trying to act like he is "clueless" is simply being ignorant of the facts.
Despite all the shocking moves, I think we are looking at a better team than what we went into last season with. And hopefully some potential starters on D to come between tonight and tomorrow.
Has he been perfect every step of the way? No.
But he turned a 4-12 team into two 10-6 teams, while fielding the #2 offense in the NFL over the last 2 seasons behind only the Broncos. Trying to act like he is "clueless" is simply being ignorant of the facts.
Despite all the shocking moves, I think we are looking at a better team than what we went into last season with. And hopefully some potential starters on D to come between tonight and tomorrow.
Shutout
Footballguy
A good RB? Shady was a top 5 RB easily.
Decent Wr's? Forget Maclin for a moment. DJAX has a unique skillset that worked perfectly with Shady in the way they stretched the edges of the defense. Especially when Vick was healthy.
I like Chip for what he brings to the NFL and hope he succeeds, but if he basically is swapping out yellow cars for blue ones just so he can call them his own, I don't know if it will work because he MIGHT just find that replacing the guys he replaced isn't as simple as he thought.
Shutout
Footballguy
That 4-12 team that was hit with injuries and a team that had zero chemistry the year they tried to buy themselves over the hump in FA?
Ok, that's fine. Teams aren't allowed to have down years. But don't talk like Chip came in and resurrected a dead, listless program. That 4-12 team was also a team that, since 2000, was regularly in the playoffs winning 10-12 games every year.
But if people want to talk about clueless, just boil it down to the bottom line...wins and playoff wins and, to date, Chip has zero of the latter. As brilliant as we may want to think Chip is (and I am one that wants to see him succeed), the truth is he's not going to be any different if he doesn't take that next step and so far he has not.
Shutout
Footballguy
Not at all. He's a very good coach. He's a welcome breath of fresh air to NFL coaching. He is a lot of good things.
It just seems like he is very polarizing in that people either see him as terrible and bumbling because he has dismantled the core of the team or people just defend him blindly despite the reality that he hasn't won in the playoffs with "his" system and players entrenched.
Its a blurred line but, IMO, great to have him in the league. I just hope he's making choices that will prove to be good ones so he can stay in the league.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He took over a team that had declined 3 straight years. 4 if you consider going from NFCCG to losing the WC round a decline.
Edit: Let's also remember the team under Reid had coaches and players fighting on the sidelines. It was a bad atmosphere when Reid was fired. Not just a "down" year.
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cstu
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Bradford this year.
They've spent the entire offseason and all its valuable resources replacing -- and probably slightly devaluing -- the team's strengths, while letting every real need go all but utterly unaddressed. And before you think to yourself, "Chip has a plan," his plan revolved around his stated premise that his system could create silk purses out of sows' ears at precisely the positions he's now used up all the team's resources on. "I have a plan, but I'm not going to use it, because I like shiny objects."
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Chip has no plan. Guy is hopelessly at sea as everything but an OC.
J.T. Barrett next year.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Faust
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Chip Kelly backs Bradford, talks trade, says Tebow 'here to compete'
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25171879/chip-kelly-discusses-tim-tebow-draft-trade-talk-and-what-hes-thinking
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25171879/chip-kelly-discusses-tim-tebow-draft-trade-talk-and-what-hes-thinking
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, that's pretty bad to throw a current player of yours under the bus like that.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Yes that lost team he took over with a top Oline, one of the best WR in the league and one of the best RBs in the league.
Insein
Footballguy
Stewyfootballhead
Footballguy
The run and shoot is dead.........
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Starting to remind me of Peter Griffin.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I agree that it is far from ideal. But I think that it is a response to the fact that Mathis, as the oldest guard in the league who has a decent contract, has been grumbling about an extension/re-working of his deal. They don't think there is any reason to do that. So he should shut up and play.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Not to mention Mathis' twitter account, while hilarious, sorta takes veiled shots at Kelly.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Good for Chip that he feels the pressure to win now, but Philly fans gave Reid 14 years and we were labelled as impatient and ungrateful when we supposedly ran him out of town. Chip's only going into year 3.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
To me it seems like Chip thinks he's playing Madden and can just manipulate teams in trades. I think his whole endgame was Mariota, and he got 
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
When Chip says "you guys think about what I think more than I think about what I think" you're the type he has in mind.To me it seems like Chip thinks he's playing Madden and can just manipulate teams in trades. I think his whole endgame was Mariota, and he got
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Is it really that outlandish that he actually just preferred Bradford over Foles? I'm sure he would have loved Mariota, but was smart enough to walk away when the price was too steep. Seems like much ado over nothing re: all of the Eagles' moves this offseason.To me it seems like Chip thinks he's playing Madden and can just manipulate teams in trades. I think his whole endgame was Mariota, and he got
Murray + Matthews = McCoy (or close enough that Kiko tips it toward an Eagles win)
Bradford = Foles
Maclin is good, but not worth what KC coughed up IMO
Amused to Death
Footballguy
If Kelly had come in and cleaned house in year 1, no one would have thought anything of it because every new HC does it. The fact that he waited 2 seasons to see what he had (and get acclimated to to the NFL) has everyone in an uproar.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
They're very similar people.
flapgreen
Footballguy
The way he has handled the entire looks like he thinks he's playing Madden. Good luck getting guys to play for you who don't respect you.Bradford doesn't equal Foles.Coeur de Lion said:Is it really that outlandish that he actually just preferred Bradford over Foles? I'm sure he would have loved Mariota, but was smart enough to walk away when the price was too steep. Seems like much ado over nothing re: all of the Eagles' moves this offseason.Murray + Matthews = McCoy (or close enough that Kiko tips it toward an Eagles win)Sabertooth said:To me it seems like Chip thinks he's playing Madden and can just manipulate teams in trades. I think his whole endgame was Mariota, and he got
Bradford = Foles
Maclin is good, but not worth what KC coughed up IMO
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Bradford is not better that Foles. That is just insane. Can you find any statistical data to back that up? Or are you going on their draft position or what scouting reports said about these guys 5 years ago?
GoBirds
Footballguy
We will find out what Foles is this year not in the same system that even Sanchez can put up good stats. I can promise you you won't see 27 to 2 ratio ever again.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
So the players don't respect him because he made a few trades? OK. I'd imagine they're fine with winning 10 games two years in a row vs what happened at the end under Reid, but who knows.The way he has handled the entire looks like he thinks he's playing Madden. Good luck getting guys to play for you who don't respect you.Bradford doesn't equal Foles.Coeur de Lion said:Is it really that outlandish that he actually just preferred Bradford over Foles? I'm sure he would have loved Mariota, but was smart enough to walk away when the price was too steep. Seems like much ado over nothing re: all of the Eagles' moves this offseason.Murray + Matthews = McCoy (or close enough that Kiko tips it toward an Eagles win)Sabertooth said:To me it seems like Chip thinks he's playing Madden and can just manipulate teams in trades. I think his whole endgame was Mariota, and he got
Bradford = Foles
Maclin is good, but not worth what KC coughed up IMO
And we'll certainly see this year on Bradford vs Foles. Given what he's done with the Philly offense thus far, I'm going with Kelly's opinion on this for now.
