Chris "Beanie" Wells & Ryan Williams, RBs, Arizona Cardina (1 Viewer)

[DoubleG]

While this isn't earthshattering for fantasy implications on the value for Williams, it does bode well for Beanie moving forward. Should his knee indeed be worrysome, I would expect to see Wells getting a more decisive role, at least this week. Playing vs. Philly is not a high end start, but the opportunity is there. A solid game and he becomes the clear play for Arizona.quietly inserted him into my starting lineup.

The problems with Beanie are he's looked terrible so far too and he's a major durability risk. But I agree he has a real chance to separate himself from Williams now, especially in light of Williams' comments about not trusting his knee. I think Williams' owners in re-draft leagues have to be very concerned about him right now. It's going to be tough to justify hanging onto him if he stinks it up again tomorrow (and yes, I realize the matchups have been very tough against the run so far). It's difficult to envision him suddenly getting more confidence in his knee if his production continues to stink.Due to injuries, I'm forced to start Beanie this week too as my RB3. I'll say a prayer for both of us.

Prayers sent - gllllll.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

if he doesn't trust his knee, keep him off the field. im all for more LSH @ RB anyway.

i can't imagine Williams seeing many meaningful carries for awhile after that fumble. these comments from him only icing on the cake.

 

[DoubleG]

if he doesn't trust his knee, keep him off the field. im all for more LSH @ RB anyway.i can't imagine Williams seeing many meaningful carries for awhile after that fumble. these comments from him only icing on the cake.

Yep - as both a FF owner and a coach.

 

[packersfan]

I can't imagine any fantasy owner is starting Williams at this point. As far as the Cardinals, I'm not sure last week's fumble is going to change things. They appear committed to the timeshare although the fact both RBs have stunk probably factors into that plan. Like I said before, I think Wells has a big chance to put an end to that - at least temporarily - tomorrow. We'll see if he can do it. But if he continues to suck I'd expect the Cardinals to keep going back to Williams hoping one of them shows something.

 

[rickyg]

Bump

I guess whiz wasn't kidding about sticking with Williams.

And now beanies got turf toe. And Williams stepped up in his absence. Perhaps Williams will be a difference maker for fantasy teams this season after all? He has a great defense and will get plenty of opportunities in that offense moving forward.

 

[packersfan]

I guess whiz wasn't kidding about sticking with Williams.

It's always been a timeshare. I'm surprised people were questioning that. The Cardinals have been hoping Williams would step into a larger role and he did that today. We'll see if he can keep that going now that Beanie's hobbling again.

 

[therush]

Value of Williams? RB20-25?

Bump or drop in PPR?

 

[DoubleG]

Bump I guess whiz wasn't kidding about sticking with Williams. And now beanies got turf toe. And Williams stepped up in his absence. Perhaps Williams will be a difference maker for fantasy teams this season after all? He has a great defense and will get plenty of opportunities in that offense moving forward.

In all fairness, Williams didn't do much until after Wells left the game. But yes, now it is clearly his turn to show what he can do with other RB on the shelf for a time.

 

[rickyg]

He was dropped in many leagues and will likely be a hot waiver wire add this week.

 

[DoubleG]

He was dropped in many leagues and will likely be a hot warm waiver wire add this week.

FYP.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Usually FBG's gives some solid advice on thier waiver wire reports. But I don't know if anyone actually bought the idea of dropping both of Arizona RB's. Horrible advice dropping Williams or Wells for a flyer of the week. This year more than ever, RB's are at a premium and a lot of 3rd string backs are rostered in standard 12 team leagues. Even if AZ is the worst of all committees, there's always some potential value. And now that the Cards are 3-0, even more so with a potential playoff team if they can keep it up with their defense. If they rely oh that defense, their bread and butter should be grinding the clock with the ground game. It could lead to a breakout for Ryan Williams, and then maybe later Beanie. Both are holds for now. And the reward is potential RB2 out a mid-late round draft pick. Not a bad deal.

 

[rickyg]

Usually FBG's gives some solid advice on thier waiver wire reports. But I don't know if anyone actually bought the idea of dropping both of Arizona RB's. Horrible advice dropping Williams or Wells for a flyer of the week. This year more than ever, RB's are at a premium and a lot of 3rd string backs are rostered in standard 12 team leagues. Even if AZ is the worst of all committees, there's always some potential value. And now that the Cards are 3-0, even more so with a potential playoff team if they can keep it up with their defense. If they rely oh that defense, their bread and butter should be grinding the clock with the ground game. It could lead to a breakout for Ryan Williams, and then maybe later Beanie. Both are holds for now. And the reward is potential RB2 out a mid-late round draft pick. Not a bad deal.

I posted the same thought about the fbg recommendation in the week 4 ww thread. I thought it was ridiculous when I read it and I was so shocked that I started a thread about it. But people who responded to the thread seemed to see the logic in fbgs recommendation to drop both. Ridiculous

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

How much of your FAAB would you bid? 10 team 0.5ppr for Williams. Slim pickings out there in any week...............Thinking 25%?

 

[DoubleG]

Cardinals re-signed RB Alfonso Smith.

Beat writer Kent Somers says Smith's signing "is perhaps an indication that [beanie] Wells won't be able to play on Sunday, or maybe longer." Wells is dealing with turf toe. Smith will slide in behind Ryan Williams, LaRod Stephens-Howling and William Powell if Beanie is indeed sidelined

I don't think Smith is a threat to cut into Williams' carries - but I do think it speaks to how the concerned the Cards are about Wells.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Cardinals re-signed RB Alfonso Smith.

Beat writer Kent Somers says Smith's signing "is perhaps an indication that [beanie] Wells won't be able to play on Sunday, or maybe longer." Wells is dealing with turf toe. Smith will slide in behind Ryan Williams, LaRod Stephens-Howling and William Powell if Beanie is indeed sidelined

I don't think Smith is a threat to cut into Williams' carries - but I do think it speaks to how the concerned the Cards are about Wells.

Thanks for the update. Beanie mentioned he "might have turf toe", but nothing official was reported. This beat writer nugget along with the Smith signing means I can officially stick a fork in Wells. I could sure use the extra roster spot. I think Ryan Williams is going to end up climbing the top 250 going forward rather quickly. Glad I didn't dump him.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Wells going on the short-term IR.

 

[Dr Octagon]

williams a rb2 or flex play this week?

 

[Shutout]

Wells going on the short-term IR.

Yes, eligible for return and the HC has said that he likes the idea of having him available later in the season. That makes sense for a real-life NFL team; having a fresh RB of Beanie's style late in the year, especially if they end up playing somewhere in bad weather.I think it also made a lot of sense to put him on the shelf. Turf toe is a nasty injury to a RB. It has taken down DMAC, Eddie george, Best, etc in recent years and all three of those RBs looked crippled at the time and came back to show what a difference a healthy toe made. For FF, it will make an impact, although I doubt it will be as big an impact as what has been said in some of the threads. The Cards were not trampling people over in their run game to start with. they still have their QB and line issues. I'm not sure that changes enought to think of any Cards Rb as a sure thing. Last year when Beanie had the role to himself, he wasn't a sure thing; more of a match-up play that had to be considered on a weekly basis. I think it is the same now. Sure, I'll throw him out there when they play the Bills, but likely not when they play the Niners, Seahawks, bears, dolphins, etc.

 

[yoadrian]

Ryan Williams against Miami this week. Everyone talking about how stout the Miami run D is. But anyone else think that the fish could be pretenders rather than the real deal? Against Jets they gave up 2 YPC to Greene, big deal, gave up less than 100 yards to DMC, Oakland only rushed 14 times total, they held Arian down in week 1, but they also gave up 2 touchdowns to him.

I'm starting Ryan with confidence, just hoping that knee holds up

 

[djjosee]

Welcome to the my RB1 spot Ryan ... starting ahead of CJ / SJax / M Bush Who would of thought!

 

[FarEastKilla]

Ryan Williams against Miami this week. Everyone talking about how stout the Miami run D is. But anyone else think that the fish could be pretenders rather than the real deal? Against Jets they gave up 2 YPC to Greene, big deal, gave up less than 100 yards to DMC, Oakland only rushed 14 times total, they held Arian down in week 1, but they also gave up 2 touchdowns to him. I'm starting Ryan with confidence, just hoping that knee holds up

Not too many teams stopped AF this year other than Miami, 2 TD at the goal-line just proved AF is an awesome player in an offense that can move the ball without him. I don't see Cards moving the ball much in week 4. Get ready for a field goal fest.

 

[Raider Nation]

This running game is absolutely atrocious. Pitiful, awful, disgusting.

If Williams didn't do it tonight, he's never going to. Go ahead and drop him.

 

[DoubleG]

Ryan Williams against Miami this week. Everyone talking about how stout the Miami run D is. But anyone else think that the fish could be pretenders rather than the real deal? Against Jets they gave up 2 YPC to Greene, big deal, gave up less than 100 yards to DMC, Oakland only rushed 14 times total, they held Arian down in week 1, but they also gave up 2 touchdowns to him. I'm starting Ryan with confidence, just hoping that knee holds up

Not too many teams stopped AF this year other than Miami, 2 TD at the goal-line just proved AF is an awesome player in an offense that can move the ball without him. I don't see Cards moving the ball much in week 4. Get ready for a field goal fest.

AF? Really? Just stop.

 

[cstu]

This running game is absolutely atrocious. Pitiful, awful, disgusting.If Williams didn't do it tonight, he's never going to. Go ahead and drop him.

Walter Payton wouldn't do anything behind that OL. Until they fix that this running game is worthless.

 

[DoubleG]

Apparently the answer is "Neither" - to whatever the question is regarding these two. The O-line is awful, the running game is just bad and becuase of it, they (and Kolb) are getting the #### knocked out of them - now, to the point that Wells and Williams are both hurt....again.

 

[yoadrian]

9 sacks on Kolb last night.. If there's one thing I learned from last nights game, its that besides the obvious that the oline is terrible, Kolb doesn't read defenses well, stares down receivers all the time and has no pocket presence. I though a lot of the audibles were completely wrong and the guy does not know how to scan the field when stepping back! He can throw a decent ball but that is like the only positive thing I can say about him. Oh, and I guess he can take a hit or two or three...

 

[Shutout]

9 sacks on Kolb last night.. If there's one thing I learned from last nights game, its that besides the obvious that the oline is terrible, Kolb doesn't read defenses well, stares down receivers all the time and has no pocket presence. I though a lot of the audibles were completely wrong and the guy does not know how to scan the field when stepping back! He can throw a decent ball but that is like the only positive thing I can say about him. Oh, and I guess he can take a hit or two or three...

Confucius say : "One can not have a presence in a pocket that does not exist."I give Kolb a pass in the area of "I don't know what anyone else could do given this situation." Yes, he does not scan the field BUT he does not have time to scan the field. But one thing he COULD do is do a pre-snap read and recognize when a player is getting single coverage and not ignore that person.

 

[rickyg]

Another thing I learned last night is that the cardinals are the biggest mirage 4-1 team in the nfl. That offense is putrid. They are a few lucky plates away from being 1-4.

They'll end the season 8-8 only on the strength of their defense, which all of the sudden doesn't look as strong last few weeks.

The o line is worst in the nfl. Period. Can't run block or pass pro.

The qb situation still needs addressing and kolb and akelton are not the answer.

The RBS are brittle but to be fair they need to be judged with a better o line.

The wrs and housler are the only bright spots on offense.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Another thing I learned last night is that the cardinals are the biggest mirage 4-1 team in the nfl. That offense is putrid. They are a few lucky plates away from being 1-4. They'll end the season 8-8 only on the strength of their defense, which all of the sudden doesn't look as strong last few weeks. The o line is worst in the nfl. Period. Can't run block or pass pro. The qb situation still needs addressing and kolb and akelton are not the answer. The RBS are brittle but to be fair they need to be judged with a better o line. The wrs and housler are the only bright spots on offense.

I thought Kolb looked really good last night, but that Oline couldnt block.

 

[yoadrian]

9 sacks on Kolb last night.. If there's one thing I learned from last nights game, its that besides the obvious that the oline is terrible, Kolb doesn't read defenses well, stares down receivers all the time and has no pocket presence. I though a lot of the audibles were completely wrong and the guy does not know how to scan the field when stepping back! He can throw a decent ball but that is like the only positive thing I can say about him. Oh, and I guess he can take a hit or two or three...

Confucius say : "One can not have a presence in a pocket that does not exist."I give Kolb a pass in the area of "I don't know what anyone else could do given this situation." Yes, he does not scan the field BUT he does not have time to scan the field. But one thing he COULD do is do a pre-snap read and recognize when a player is getting single coverage and not ignore that person.

This is exactly to my point, his pre snap reads were bad which made his audibles wrong. So you got a guy that is bad on almost all fronts of what a QB should be. Mix that with a bad oline and you have a recipe for disaster.

 

[Reepicheep]

This running game is absolutely atrocious. Pitiful, awful, disgusting.If Williams didn't do it tonight, he's never going to. Go ahead and drop him.

Yeah, that was depressing. I thought he was going to at least pan out as a decent bye week fill-in. The only thing keeping me from dropping him is the thought that the Cards can't possibly keep trotting Kolb out behind that line for ~50 attempts a game, can they? I mean 17 sacks in 2 games is bordering on criminal. They will be signing guys of the street to play QB by the end of the season if they keep it up.

 

[damageinc]

While he is not much more then a emergancy start sounds like he will be fine. Behind that OL he will not have many good games.

Cardinals.com - [Full Article]Cardinals RB Ryan Williams describes his shoulder injury on Thursday night:

"I didn't black out or anything," Williams said. "No concussion or anything. My whole shoulder went down and went numb. So then I got up, figured it was something with my AC joint. I was like, 'At least it's not my leg,' so shot it up went back out there but coach wouldn't put me back in the game.

"But it's just something else I will have to overcome."

Fantasy Impact:It's a good sign that Williams feels he could have gone back into the game, and that he'll have a few extra days to get healthy for Week 6.

Ryan Williams (RB) Arizona Cardinals

At this point, Williams isn't too concerned about the left shoulder injury that he suffered Thursday night against the Rams, the Cardinals' official site reports. "I’m straight," Williams noted, with reference to his shoulder after Thursday's contest.ati

10/5/2012

Williams acknowledged that his shoulder is sore, but working in his favor with regards to his chances of being ready for Week 6, thanks to Thursday's kickoff, is that he has some extra healing time, with the Cardinals' next game not until October 14 against the Bills.

 

[DoubleG]

9 sacks on Kolb last night.. If there's one thing I learned from last nights game, its that besides the obvious that the oline is terrible, Kolb doesn't read defenses well, stares down receivers all the time and has no pocket presence. I though a lot of the audibles were completely wrong and the guy does not know how to scan the field when stepping back! He can throw a decent ball but that is like the only positive thing I can say about him. Oh, and I guess he can take a hit or two or three...

Confucius say : "One can not have a presence in a pocket that does not exist."I give Kolb a pass in the area of "I don't know what anyone else could do given this situation." Yes, he does not scan the field BUT he does not have time to scan the field. But one thing he COULD do is do a pre-snap read and recognize when a player is getting single coverage and not ignore that person.

I agree with this. That o-line is so bad that there is no way ANY QB could look even decent. Rotoworld had this:

According to Pro Football Focus, Kevin Kolb was pressured on 52.5 percent of offensive snaps Thursday night. That figure was at 35 percent through four weeks. Kolb's 17 sacks in the past five days are the most in a two-game span by an NFL quarterback since 1986.

They went on to suggest that while there might have been a few points where Kolb could have gotten rid of the ball a little sooner, it was squarely on the o-line (specifically, the tackles).Anyone suggesting that Kolb's poor performance last night was mostly his fault is either not paying attention or owns Skelton. He has no time to throw. And even with 8 sacks last week, he was able to hang in and help the Cards win. He can't do that everyweek with virtually no protection and no running game.

 

[cstu]

I was like, 'At least it's not my leg,'

Funny how getting your kneecap ripped off puts injuries in perspective.

 

[JuniorNB]

Anyone suggesting that Kolb's poor performance last night was mostly his fault is either not paying attention or owns Skelton. He has no time to throw. And even with 8 sacks last week, he was able to hang in and help the Cards win. He can't do that everyweek with virtually no protection and no running game.

I do know that he had Larry Fitzgerald one on one aganst a rookie CB in the first half and never recognized it at the line of scrimmage. Fitz went on to fake the corner out of his jock and would have walked into the end zone. Cost the CArds an early touchdown. Something they'd never get the entire game. And that wasn't the line's fault. He had time and got the pass off.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Anyone suggesting that Kolb's poor performance last night was mostly his fault is either not paying attention or owns Skelton. He has no time to throw. And even with 8 sacks last week, he was able to hang in and help the Cards win. He can't do that everyweek with virtually no protection and no running game.

I do know that he had Larry Fitzgerald one on one aganst a rookie CB in the first half and never recognized it at the line of scrimmage. Fitz went on to fake the corner out of his jock and would have walked into the end zone. Cost the CArds an early touchdown. Something they'd never get the entire game. And that wasn't the line's fault. He had time and got the pass off.

Yep, that should have been an easy 6 points.As was pointed out on the broadcast, it's the Qb's job to recognize those matchups pre-snap....especially when your WR is Larry freakin' Fitzgerald.

 

[yoadrian]

Anyone suggesting that Kolb's poor performance last night was mostly his fault is either not paying attention or owns Skelton. He has no time to throw. And even with 8 sacks last week, he was able to hang in and help the Cards win. He can't do that everyweek with virtually no protection and no running game.

I do know that he had Larry Fitzgerald one on one aganst a rookie CB in the first half and never recognized it at the line of scrimmage. Fitz went on to fake the corner out of his jock and would have walked into the end zone. Cost the CArds an early touchdown. Something they'd never get the entire game. And that wasn't the line's fault. He had time and got the pass off.

Yep, that should have been an easy 6 points.As was pointed out on the broadcast, it's the Qb's job to recognize those matchups pre-snap....especially when your WR is Larry freakin' Fitzgerald.

You should also be taking a shot into the end zone on 4th and goal, when you need that touchdown. He's a terrible decision maker IMOAnd no, I don't have Skelton or Kolb

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

 

[packersfan]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

 

[BRONG]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

Great stuff guys, keep us posted, K!?

 

[packersfan]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

Great stuff guys, keep us posted, K!?

Absolutely. You'll be the first one I'll contact after waivers have gone through.

 

[DoubleG]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

Great stuff guys, keep us posted, K!?

Actually, I don't mind when people make a comment about who they're dropping and who they're picking up. It gives some idea of value, who might be available, etc. At least they're not asking about doing it.

 

[Hoosier16]

I love the FBGs update this morning:

ARI - Ryan Williams injury updateSource: AZCardinals.com - Darren Urban

Arizona Cardinals RB Ryan Williams (shoulder) said he has a sore left shoulder but is fine and was ready to return to the team's Week 5 game against the St. Louis Rams.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

Fantasy owners can breathe a sigh of relief here. Williams should be the team's starter so long as he can stay healthy. William Powell will serve as his primary backup.

I am so relieved! If WIlliams missed any significant time, I don't know how I would have replaced his production. I was afraid my season was going down the drain.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I love the FBGs update this morning:

ARI - Ryan Williams injury updateSource: AZCardinals.com - Darren Urban

Arizona Cardinals RB Ryan Williams (shoulder) said he has a sore left shoulder but is fine and was ready to return to the team's Week 5 game against the St. Louis Rams.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

Fantasy owners can breathe a sigh of relief here. Williams should be the team's starter so long as he can stay healthy. William Powell will serve as his primary backup.

I am so relieved! If WIlliams missed any significant time, I don't know how I would have replaced his production. I was afraid my season was going down the drain.

I saw their update too and nearly fell out of my chair. It would be better if he was out the rest of the year, at least then you could attempt to find someone that would actually produce.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

Great stuff guys, keep us posted, K!?

Actually, I don't mind when people make a comment about who they're dropping and who they're picking up. It gives some idea of value, who might be available, etc. At least they're not asking about doing it.

These types of smartass comments are what's wrong with the sharkpool somedays. You should be forced to contribute at least 10 sharkpool worthy comments for every sass remark. Or better yet just don't. That attitude isn't wanted here.

 

[BRONG]

There is no commitment to the run game - often on first and 2nd down they had Kolb in the gun with Williams lined up on his left/right.

Too bad - I wasted a lot of FAAB bucks on him.

Yeah it's a mess. My league has tight roster limits and Pierre Thomas was dropped this week. I'm dumping Williams for him next week. I don't care that the Saints are on a bye; I'm done with Williams. I like him but after five weeks I don't see much hope for anyone not named Larry Fitzgerald with this offense.

Great stuff guys, keep us posted, K!?

Actually, I don't mind when people make a comment about who they're dropping and who they're picking up. It gives some idea of value, who might be available, etc. At least they're not asking about doing it.

These types of smartass comments are what's wrong with the sharkpool somedays. You should be forced to contribute at least 10 sharkpool worthy comments for every sass remark. Or better yet just don't. That attitude isn't wanted here.

Totally agree, tell FBGs ASAP.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I love the FBGs update this morning:

ARI - Ryan Williams injury updateSource: AZCardinals.com - Darren Urban

Arizona Cardinals RB Ryan Williams (shoulder) said he has a sore left shoulder but is fine and was ready to return to the team's Week 5 game against the St. Louis Rams.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

Fantasy owners can breathe a sigh of relief here. Williams should be the team's starter so long as he can stay healthy. William Powell will serve as his primary backup.

I am so relieved! If WIlliams missed any significant time, I don't know how I would have replaced his production. I was afraid my season was going down the drain.

I saw their update too and nearly fell out of my chair. It would be better if he was out the rest of the year, at least then you could attempt to find someone that would actually produce.

DoneIt's all yours, William Powell. Good luck!